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#1321 missminni

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Posted 16 November 2007 - 11:00 PM

I think D3 refers to Vitamin D.

The ethanol+lecithin Resv mix at 1.5 grams... is actually 99% rsv powder manually mixed with the others. Personaly I would also mix it with red bull for taste, but thats just me...
[lol]

Remember RevGenetics has a 30 day No questions asked money back return policy on their capsules.
So if you want to cancel a recent order send the bottles back, no problem.

Hope this helps
A



Hi Anthony
how much of the 1.5 grams is resveratrol?
And no, I don't want to cancel because I know my father would
never mix anything. It has to be simple. Take a pill simple. Take two pills simple. The only reason I would
ever want to return it is if he had an adverse reaction and/or didn't want to continue. I told him
to take it on an empty stomach, because that is what I have read here. Is that the best way? I was going
to have him start with 2 caps (600mg) first thing in the morning on an empty stomach. Please let me know
if that is wise. he's taking 300 mg now. thanks


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Posted 16 November 2007 - 11:06 PM

Of the two forms of vitamin D, D3 is better than D2. A 1000 mg pill of vitamin D3 is pretty small in size.

Stephen

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Posted 16 November 2007 - 11:25 PM


Hi missminni,

Have him start with 1 capsule, then in a week have him add another capsule to his daily intake.

I believe MaxWatt mentioned this on another post that maybe helpful:

To inhibit Glucuronidation, you would add black pepper or an extract thereof to the mixture.
To inhibit sulfonation and protect the resveratrol in the small intestine, you can possibly take this with grapefruit juice or an extract -- this is surmise based on published sulfonation figures for various polyphenols, but hasn't been directly tested in any lab.
-Maxwatt



Max do you think this would help with capsules as well as with powder?

1.5 grams of 99% is 1485mg of Trans-resveratrol.

If that is your goal, I suggest to have him increase the dosage gradually (adding 1 more capsule a week) until you get to this amount... . In the end he would be taking about 5 capsules a day if he is still using 300mg capsules.

I hope this helps
A


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Posted 17 November 2007 - 12:01 AM


Hi missminni,

Have him start with 1 capsule, then in a week have him add another capsule to his daily intake.

I believe MaxWatt mentioned this on another post that maybe helpful:

To inhibit Glucuronidation, you would add black pepper or an extract thereof to the mixture.
To inhibit sulfonation and protect the resveratrol in the small intestine, you can possibly take this with grapefruit juice or an extract -- this is surmise based on published sulfonation figures for various polyphenols, but hasn't been directly tested in any lab.
-Maxwatt



Max do you think this would help with capsules as well as with powder?

1.5 grams of 99% is 1485mg of Trans-resveratrol.

If that is your goal, I suggest to have him increase the dosage gradually (adding 1 more capsule a week) until you get to this amount... . In the end he would be taking about 5 capsules a day if he is still using 300mg capsules.
I hope this helps
A




Oh, I thought 1.5 grams included the d and lecithin etc. my bad.
No I don't necessarily want to give him that much, because I would rather experiment with myself on that amount first. I wanted to work him
up to 600 mg and see how he felt, and take it from there. Hopefully the emodin content wont bother him since he takes magnesium every night for
the laxative effect and he can always stop the magnesium if the emodin kicks in. So do you think he should take it with grapefruit juice?
He always drinks black coffee in the morning. Should he take it before or after the coffee?


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Posted 17 November 2007 - 12:43 AM


Hi missminni,

Have him start with 1 capsule, then in a week have him add another capsule to his daily intake.

I believe MaxWatt mentioned this on another post that maybe helpful:

To inhibit Glucuronidation, you would add black pepper or an extract thereof to the mixture.
To inhibit sulfonation and protect the resveratrol in the small intestine, you can possibly take this with grapefruit juice or an extract -- this is surmise based on published sulfonation figures for various polyphenols, but hasn't been directly tested in any lab.
-Maxwatt



Max do you think this would help with capsules as well as with powder?

1.5 grams of 99% is 1485mg of Trans-resveratrol.

If that is your goal, I suggest to have him increase the dosage gradually (adding 1 more capsule a week) until you get to this amount... . In the end he would be taking about 5 capsules a day if he is still using 300mg capsules.
I hope this helps
A




Oh, I thought 1.5 grams included the d and lecithin etc. my bad.
No I don't necessarily want to give him that much, because I would rather experiment with myself on that amount first. I wanted to work him
up to 600 mg and see how he felt, and take it from there. Hopefully the emodin content wont bother him since he takes magnesium every night for
the laxative effect and he can always stop the magnesium if the emodin kicks in. So do you think he should take it with grapefruit juice?
He always drinks black coffee in the morning. Should he take it before or after the coffee?


I don't think you'll have to worry about emodin from the 98%/99% resveratrol - the effects from any impurities there are completely neglible; I'm speaking from personal experience, having previously used 50% purity products!

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Posted 17 November 2007 - 02:07 AM

I don't think you'll have to worry about emodin from the 98%/99% resveratrol - the effects from any impurities there are completely neglible; I'm speaking from personal experience, having previously used 50% purity products!



Yeah, but for my dad I'm using Revgenetics R300 which is 50% pure, so there will be some emodin, right?
What was your experience with the 50% ?


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Posted 17 November 2007 - 03:06 AM

I don't think you'll have to worry about emodin from the 98%/99% resveratrol - the effects from any impurities there are completely neglible; I'm speaking from personal experience, having previously used 50% purity products!



Yeah, but for my dad I'm using Revgenetics R300 which is 50% pure, so there will be some emodin, right?
What was your experience with the 50% ?


IF this is a high grade 50% extract, is is around 5% emodin. That would mean two caps would provide 30 mg of emodin.
He might react strongly to this amount, or he may have no reaction. Most people adapt to this amount withing a few days, but a sizeble proportion find it intolerable. I'm sorry I cannot predict what your Dad's response will be. Mixing one R300 with a purer source of resveratrol is one way to increase the dose without risk and still use your supply of R300.

Edited by maxwatt, 17 November 2007 - 12:49 PM.


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Posted 17 November 2007 - 09:06 AM

(MissMinni)
So do you think he should take it with grapefruit juice?

Since he is 92, I assume he takes other meds as well. Grapefruit is known to amplify the effect of several drugs by inhibiting an enzyme in the liver, so it would be advisable to revisit the list:
http://www.urmc.roch...tory.cfm?id=720
The silver lining is sometimes it's possible to save money by reducing the Rx dose, although this is an art akin to timing the market ;)

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Posted 17 November 2007 - 02:24 PM

MaxWatt,
Since my Dad is already taking magnesium every night for its laxative effect, might the emodin
be able to replace his use of the magnesium? If it does effect him adversely I can return it within 30 days, so I am not too
concerned about using it up, but thanks for the suggestion.


ilanso, eventhough he is 92 he is on no other meds
except a blood pressure medication that he has been on for years that he is thinking about phasing out because he is also on a natural supplement for blood pressure. I recall reading here that MaxWatt took it with chocolate milk. Whole milk, IIRC. I think that might work cause although he hates milk I think he loves chocolate and it would be easy for him to buy
chocolate milk at the market. It's all about making it easy for him to do. Thanks to everybody for your input.

ETA~I just read that article. Thanks for the link.
Do you know if the same issue would apply to whole grapefruit?
This confirms how I have always felt about juice in general.
I think it is too intense. I eat a lot of fruit and veg. but I don't drink juice.
Also, if you count calories, juice is high in calories.
I would rather take my calories in food.


Bulletin....
I just spoke to my dad. He took 3 caps of Jarrow's 100 (20% res) this morning on an empty stomach
(he was taking them one at a time with meals before and feeling no result)
and for the first time he is pain free! - so far all day. Usually he has to take a pain killer an hour
after he gets up because his back starts to hurt him and then the pain moves to his legs - he has arthritis in his lower back.
But today that wasn't the case. Isn't that terrific!! It did have a laxative effect right after he took it,
which he didn't mind, but when he takes the R300, (50% res) I am hoping it won't have that effect.
I am so happy about this. I will keep you posted on his progress. Thanks again to everyone for the their input.

BTW: I too had a laxative effect from 3 caps of Jarrows 100. I find it unpleasant. I'm looking forward to getting
the pure res this week..

Edited by missminni, 17 November 2007 - 09:27 PM.


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Posted 17 November 2007 - 10:45 PM

Also, if you count calories, juice is high in calories.

Thank God I don't count calories, so it's to be hoped my juice is not high in them [tung]
On a serious note, the difference between whole skinless / seedless fruit and juice is just a matter of quantity. With that in mind,

taking one tablet of lovastatin (Mevacor) with a glass of grapefruit juice is the same as taking 12 to 15 tablets with a glass of water. Certain antihistamines, benzodiazepines, cyclosporin, caffeine, calcium antagonists and cisapride are among other drugs with which grapefruit interacts. So this interaction is very important and the list (of drugs) is going to continue to grow



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Posted 17 November 2007 - 10:52 PM

I just spoke to my dad. He took 3 caps of Jarrow's 100 (20% res) this morning on an empty stomach
(he was taking them one at a time with meals before and feeling no result)
and for the first time he is pain free! - so far all day.

I think you have a unique chance to verify the placebo effect, most of us don't. I would substitute sugar-filled pills for a few days and note the reported effects. There is nothing unethical about it and we would all learn something. Depending on the outcome, you may even realize some sizable savings ;)

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Posted 17 November 2007 - 11:07 PM

Also, if you count calories, juice is high in calories.

Thank God I don't count calories, so it's to be hoped my juice is not high in them [tung]

LOL.
The only time i don't count calories is when I eat chocolate and ice cream so I'm hoping your theory applies.


On a serious note, the difference between whole skinless / seedless fruit and juice is just a matter of quantity. With that in mind,

taking one tablet of lovastatin (Mevacor) with a glass of grapefruit juice is the same as taking 12 to 15 tablets with a glass of water. Certain antihistamines, benzodiazepines, cyclosporin, caffeine, calcium antagonists and cisapride are among other drugs with which grapefruit interacts. So this interaction is very important and the list (of drugs) is going to continue to grow

Thanks so much for the tip on grapefruit juice.
When I told my Dad, he confessed he drinks it often. So now that he has been warned, he said he would stop drinking it.



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Posted 17 November 2007 - 11:22 PM

I just spoke to my dad. He took 3 caps of Jarrow's 100 (20% res) this morning on an empty stomach
(he was taking them one at a time with meals before and feeling no result)
and for the first time he is pain free! - so far all day.

I think you have a unique chance to verify the placebo effect, most of us don't. I would substitute sugar-filled pills for a few days and note the reported effects. There is nothing unethical about it and we would all learn something. Depending on the outcome, you may even realize some sizable savings ;)



I live 1200 miles away from him so I couldn't pull that off.

Edited by missminni, 24 November 2007 - 02:20 PM.


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Posted 26 November 2007 - 11:11 PM

It's almost a week that I'm taking Resveratrol. I started with 400mg and worked my way
to 1.2 gms a day taken in two to three doses.
I was wondering if anybody had a similar experience to the following:

Heightened sensation in joints (elbow, knee and toe, jaw, thumb) that were formerly problematic.
Almost feels like they might pop out of joint for a moment, but they don't, and then the
heightened sensation passes and the joint is fine with no pain.

I also have improvement with the Mortons Nueroma. I was able to walk miles and miles with no
toe pain. I couldn'tdo that before without excruciating pain within a short time.
I am using arch support in my shoes, so that might contribute to the improvement.

A significant overall feeling of well being, similar to what I used to feel with pregnenolone,
which I no longer take. It seems to act as a mood elevator, at least for me.





Edited by missminni, 27 November 2007 - 12:09 AM.


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Posted 27 November 2007 - 03:29 AM


I wanted to add something to my previous post, but I can't find the edit option.
Something else I just realized that is very significant Re: my taking resveratrol.
I usually have nosebleeds, especially this time of year when the heat goes on.
I have them often too. At least a few times a week. Sometimes a few times a day.
Since i started the hi-dose res, I have not had a single nosebleed.
The week before I had quite a few.




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Posted 27 November 2007 - 03:42 AM

It's almost a week that I'm taking Resveratrol. I started with 400mg and worked my way
to 1.2 gms a day taken in two to three doses.
I was wondering if anybody had a similar experience to the following:

Heightened sensation in joints (elbow, knee and toe, jaw, thumb) that were formerly problematic.
Almost feels like they might pop out of joint for a moment, but they don't, and then the
heightened sensation passes and the joint is fine with no pain.

I also have improvement with the Mortons Nueroma. I was able to walk miles and miles with no
toe pain. I couldn'tdo that before without excruciating pain within a short time.
I am using arch support in my shoes, so that might contribute to the improvement.

A significant overall feeling of well being, similar to what I used to feel with pregnenolone,
which I no longer take. It seems to act as a mood elevator, at least for me.






Very interesting. I wonder if resveratrol is strengthening your capillaries?

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 03:43 AM

Very interesting. I wonder if resveratrol is strengthening your capillaries?

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 04:25 AM

Very interesting. I wonder if resveratrol is strengthening your capillaries?


It's doing something. I know this sounds crazy but I can
feel it in my body. That's why I was describing the way my joints felt. It's almost like they were being
examined and repaired.
I've had chronic nosebleeds for the past 10 years. They come on out of nowhere.
When the heat comes on in the winter, they get worse. The week before last they
were really bad. I had them almost everyday. This past week, since hi-dose res, not one.
Excuse me while I go knock on wood.


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Posted 27 November 2007 - 01:45 PM

Very interesting. I wonder if resveratrol is strengthening your capillaries?


It's doing something. I know this sounds crazy but I can
feel it in my body. That's why I was describing the way my joints felt. It's almost like they were being
examined and repaired.
I've had chronic nosebleeds for the past 10 years. They come on out of nowhere.
When the heat comes on in the winter, they get worse. The week before last they
were really bad. I had them almost everyday. This past week, since hi-dose res, not one.
Excuse me while I go knock on wood.


I have the same thing: New York steam heat always made my nose bleed when I blew it. So far this year, no nosebleeds. We can add one more beneficial effect to the list for resveratrol.

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 02:21 PM

Very interesting. I wonder if resveratrol is strengthening your capillaries?


It's doing something. I know this sounds crazy but I can
feel it in my body. That's why I was describing the way my joints felt. It's almost like they were being
examined and repaired.
I've had chronic nosebleeds for the past 10 years. They come on out of nowhere.
When the heat comes on in the winter, they get worse. The week before last they
were really bad. I had them almost everyday. This past week, since hi-dose res, not one.
Excuse me while I go knock on wood.


I have the same thing: New York steam heat always made my nose bleed when I blew it. So far this year, no nosebleeds. We can add one more beneficial effect to the list for resveratrol.


Woo, haven't visited ImmInst in a while! Work's been too busy. Nice to see you guys.

Been doing the 4g a day with Lecithin, and it makes me feel great! Have to stop every now and then for a day otherwise I'm going to the bathroom with the runs too many times (not a bad thing but annoying), and I'm using 98.7%, hehe. Very energetic and healthy feeling!

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Posted 28 November 2007 - 09:39 AM

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Woo, haven't visited ImmInst in a while! Work's been too busy. Nice to see you guys.

Been doing the 4g a day with Lecithin, and it makes me feel great! Have to stop every now and then for a day otherwise I'm going to the bathroom with the runs too many times (not a bad thing but annoying), and I'm using 98.7%, hehe. Very energetic and healthy feeling!
[/quote]


who is your supplier? how much does 4g a day cost you monthly?

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Posted 28 November 2007 - 10:52 AM

Maybe maxwatt can answer some of my questions, i'm sure you're out here

I need your expertise on the resveratrol issue.

Can you explain to me why the action of resveratrol can be significant or at least exist if the substance is only in the plasma for a short period of time.
Is this short period long enough for activating or producing effects that are benfical for health ?

btw i found this study which is suggesting that resveratrol alters the downstream pathway of sirtuin instead of activating it.Isn't constant altering of a pathway needed for creating an effect ?

Stefani M, Markus MA, Lin RC, Pinese M, Dawes IW, Morris BJ.
D.Sc., Basic & Clinical Genomics Laboratory, School of Medical Sciences and Bosch Institute, Bldg. F13, The University of Sydney, Sydney, New South Wales 2006, Australia. brianm@medsci.usyd.edu.au.

The natural polyphenol resveratrol stimulates sirtuins and extends lifespan. Here resveratrol inhibited expression of replicative senescence marker INK4a in human dermal fibroblasts, and 47 of 19,000 genes from microarray experiments were differentially expressed. These included genes for growth, cell division, cell signaling, apoptosis, and transcription. Genes involved in Ras and ubiquitin pathways, Ras-GRF1, RAC3, and UBE2D3, were downregulated. The changes suggest resveratrol might alter sirtuin-regulated downstream pathways, rather than sirtuin activity. Serum deprivation and high confluency caused nuclear translocation of the SIRT1-regulated transcription factor FOXO3a. Our data indicate resveratrol's actions might cause FOXO recruitment to the nucleus.

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Posted 28 November 2007 - 12:31 PM

Maybe maxwatt can answer some of my questions, i'm sure you're out here

I need your expertise on the resveratrol issue.

Can you explain to me why the action of resveratrol can be significant or at least exist if the substance is only in the plasma for a short period of time.
Is this short period long enough for activating or producing effects that are benfical for health ?

btw i found this study which is suggesting that resveratrol alters the downstream pathway of sirtuin instead of activating it.Isn't constant altering of a pathway needed for creating an effect ?

Stefani M, Markus MA, Lin RC, Pinese M, Dawes IW, Morris BJ.
D.Sc., Basic & Clinical Genomics Laboratory, School of Medical Sciences and Bosch Institute, Bldg. F13, The University of Sydney, Sydney, New South Wales 2006, Australia. brianm@medsci.usyd.edu.au.

The natural polyphenol resveratrol stimulates sirtuins and extends lifespan. Here resveratrol inhibited expression of replicative senescence marker INK4a in human dermal fibroblasts, and 47 of 19,000 genes from microarray experiments were differentially expressed. These included genes for growth, cell division, cell signaling, apoptosis, and transcription. Genes involved in Ras and ubiquitin pathways, Ras-GRF1, RAC3, and UBE2D3, were downregulated. The changes suggest resveratrol might alter sirtuin-regulated downstream pathways, rather than sirtuin activity. Serum deprivation and high confluency caused nuclear translocation of the SIRT1-regulated transcription factor FOXO3a. Our data indicate resveratrol's actions might cause FOXO recruitment to the nucleus.


Sinclair and Westphal have stated they mapped the Sirt1 gene, and know how resveratrol docks to it, and that they have used this knowledge to design their more effective NCE's for activation of sirtuins 1000 times more effectively than resveratrol.

In short, I think the study you cited implied the wrong conclussion; they did say "might alter" not "does alter".

If resveratrol activates a gene, the gene would, I think, stay activated for a period even when resveratrol has cleared the blood, or perhaps only a very tiny amount of resveratrol need stay linked to the genes? There may also be an active transport mechanism, whereby resveratrol is bound by lipoproteins in the blood, which may affect measured blood levels:

This was discussed here: See this post Post 992

The study:

Biochem Pharmacol. 2004 Sep 15;68(6):1113-8.
Transport of resveratrol, a cancer chemopreventive agent, to cellular targets: plasmatic protein binding and cell uptake.Jannin B, Menzel M, Berlot JP, Delmas D, Lançon A, Latruffe N.
Laboratoire de Biologie Moléculaire et Cellulaire, Université de Bourgogne, 6 boulevard Gabriel, 21000 Dijon, France.

Resveratrol produced by several plants, berries and fruits, including grapes, is one of the best known natural food microcomponents with potent chemopreventive properties towards the most severe contemporary human diseases: cardiovascular sickness, cancer and neurodegenerative pathologies. Demonstration of its mechanism of action also implies the elucidation of the steps of bioavailability and bioabsorption in cells and tissues. In order to estimate the relationships between the amounts of resveratrol taken up by food or drink intake, and the several possible benefits illustrated from in vitro/in vivo experiments and from epidemiological studies, it is essential to demonstrate step by step the route of resveratrol from plasma to the cell active site. In plasma, resveratrol was shown to interact with lipoproteins. This commentary also contains previously unpublished results about interactions between resveratrol and albumin and the enhancement of this binding in presence of fatty acids. We have previously described that resveratrol uptake by hepatic cells involves two processes--a passive one and a carrier-mediated one. Thanks to this last process, resveratrol, while tightly bound to blood proteins, could be largely delivered to body tissues. The intracellular proteic targets of resveratrol remain to be identified.

PMID: 15313407


Edited by maxwatt, 28 November 2007 - 12:37 PM.


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Posted 28 November 2007 - 07:02 PM

Sinclair and Westphal have stated they mapped the Sirt1 gene, and know how resveratrol docks to it, and that they have used this knowledge to design their more effective NCE's for activation of sirtuins 1000 times more effectively than resveratrol.


hmmm...interesting - so I take it that this compound is not yet available?

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Posted 28 November 2007 - 08:43 PM

Anecdotal info:
My Dad (92 yrs) is reporting complete pain relief from his arthritis. He started taking 800 mg of
resveratrol (98% pure) yesterday afternoon, and took two 800 mg doses today.
He is quite amazed that about an hour after his morning dose he became completely pain free, and has remained so.
He just took another 800 mg. this afternoon, and plans to do that again before bed (total of 2.4 g). If this is consistent,
it is a new lease on life for him. He was taking pain killers on a daily basis (vicodan)
in order to be able to walk, and the pain killer was wearing off in a few hours.



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Posted 29 November 2007 - 09:56 AM

... more effective NCE's for activation of sirtuins 1000 times more effectively than resveratrol.


hmmm...interesting - so I take it that this compound is not yet available?


Except for naturally occurring chemicals like resveratrol, new drugs can't be sold until they're approved by the FDA based on tests. The usual sequence is: test on cells in petri dishes (in vitro), then on rodents (animal models), then on a few people for safety (Phase I trial), then on more to see if it works (Phase II), then in a double-blind study on a large number of people to see if it works better than a placebo (Phase III).

These New Chemical Entities are still in first two stages: measuring gene activation by pouring it on cells in a petri dish and on rats. Sirtris's presentation yesterday indicated that NCE#1 is expected to be in Phase I clinical trials in 2008 through 2009. (See Slides 13-19 of the presentation here.)

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Posted 29 November 2007 - 01:45 PM

... more effective NCE's for activation of sirtuins 1000 times more effectively than resveratrol.


hmmm...interesting - so I take it that this compound is not yet available?


Except for naturally occurring chemicals like resveratrol, new drugs can't be sold until they're approved by the FDA based on tests. The usual sequence is: test on cells in petri dishes (in vitro), then on rodents (animal models), then on a few people for safety (Phase I trial), then on more to see if it works (Phase II), then in a double-blind study on a large number of people to see if it works better than a placebo (Phase III).

These New Chemical Entities are still in first two stages: measuring gene activation by pouring it on cells in a petri dish and on rats. Sirtris's presentation yesterday indicated that NCE#1 is expected to be in Phase I clinical trials in 2008 through 2009. (See Slides 13-19 of the presentation here.)


Thanks unglued. That is incredibly exciting news. Maybe I'll dress up as a rat or a petri dish and show up at their facility. :wink:

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Posted 29 November 2007 - 02:11 PM

Thanks unglued. That is incredibly exciting news. Maybe I'll dress up as a rat or a petri dish and show up at their facility. :wink:


Pass the cheese.

FWIW, if the chemical name (and structure) leak out, there will be those who will synthesize the substance. The "Perfect Master" has done this with other investigational substances.

But please try the result of the synthesis on lower organisms first. I know a chemist who made a batch of Mito-Q, but it killed the yeast in his petri dish.

Edited by maxwatt, 29 November 2007 - 07:32 PM.


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Posted 29 November 2007 - 04:23 PM

Here's an article from the Boston Globe about the latest Sirtris info, including some quotes from Sinclair:

Sirtris drug may fight diseases of age


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Posted 29 November 2007 - 05:06 PM

Here's an article from the Boston Globe about the latest Sirtris info, including some quotes from Sinclair:

Sirtris drug may fight diseases of age


"These are real drugs. This is not something out of red wine anymore," said Sinclair, a professor of pathology at Harvard Medical School and cofounder of Cambridge-based Sirtris.

"Real drugs"??
Does that mean only when a substance is made in the lab is it real? When it's naturally occurring it's not real?
Does anybody else find this statement disconcerting?





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