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#1291 niner

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 01:57 AM

Interesting that Sinclair, who's done the most work, takes a reasonable dose and isn't agonizing over how to mix/take resveratrol for his own use.

Sinclair's not agonizing (I'm not sure any of us are "agonizing", exactly...) because he has access to the good stuff. I believe he is taking either 501 or one of the NCEs now.

I'd be willing to bet that when that research is done we'll find that there's a whole lot less to resveratrol in humans than meets the hype.

Probably true. The little polyphenolic resveratrol molecule just gets hammered by sulfation and glucuronidation, and it's hard to get around that. At the same time, the hype level is so high that it would be tough for anything to live up to it. I think that long term, some of the NCEs out of Sirtris might knock your socks off, but time will tell.

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 02:02 AM

As for area-under-the-curve versus peak-levels (divided doses versus one big dose), niner and others theorize the highest peak dose is needed, but Sirtris (in one of the investor presentations on their website) indicate they are going for area-under-the-curve. Perhaps a minimum threshold serum concentration is needed, and the longer it is maintained, the better it works.

My thanks as well for the nice summary, maxwatt. I agree that there is likely a minimum threshold, and the longer it's maintained the better. That's really my thinking behind the one big dose versus divided dose question. And speaking of which, it's time for my alternate-nightly resveratrol cocktail!

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 02:29 AM

What dose does Sinclair take and which product and what method does he use?
oops sorry I just saw you kind of discussed that above.


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Posted 12 November 2007 - 04:15 AM

What dose does Sinclair take and which product and what method does he use?
oops sorry I just saw you kind of discussed that above.


Sinclair was said to be taking 500 mg daily, as of two years ago. More recent rumors are he stopped, switched to SRT501, then t one of the NCE compounds Sirtris are testing, as part of the Pase I study. One of those compounds that are 1000 times more potent.

BTW, does anyone know if luteolin activates SirT1? It has the right structure to be a likely candidate.

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 04:23 AM

Sinclair was said to be taking 500 mg daily, as of two years ago.  More recent rumors are he stopped, switched to SRT501, then t one of the NCE compounds Sirtris are testing, as part of the Pase I study.  One of those compounds that are 1000 times more potent.

BTW, does anyone know if luteolin activates SirT1?  It has the right structure to be a likely candidate.



did he report results he got with that dose? What's SRT501?


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Posted 12 November 2007 - 11:15 AM

What dose does Sinclair take and which product and what method does he use?
oops sorry I just saw you kind of discussed that above.


Sinclair was said to be taking 500 mg daily, as of two years ago. More recent rumors are he stopped, switched to SRT501, then t one of the NCE compounds Sirtris are testing, as part of the Pase I study. One of those compounds that are 1000 times more potent.

BTW, does anyone know if luteolin activates SirT1? It has the right structure to be a likely candidate.


Maxwatt, that's a pretty interesting aside, there, on luteolin - if it does activate, that would be a really interesting synergist to resv. Any other botanicals that are structurally similar ?

Do you have any insights/opinions on whether we should save our money for a commercially available form of Sirtris' NCE's (AROS seems to be name of the most recent), and skip the resv for now on account of the poor availability ?

Also, does anyone know if Sirtris will make an NCE or derivative thereof available as a supplement, or will we have to wait for 10 years of trials before it becomes available, prescription or OTC.

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 12:46 PM

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Sinclair was said to be taking 500 mg daily, as of two years ago.  More recent rumors are he stopped, switched to SRT501, then t one of the NCE compounds Sirtris are testing, as part of the Pase I study.  One of those compounds that are 1000 times more potent.

BTW, does anyone know if luteolin activates SirT1?  It has the right structure to be a likely candidate.


Maxwatt, that's a pretty interesting aside, there, on luteolin - if it does activate, that would be a really interesting synergist to resv. Any other botanicals that are structurally similar ?

Do you have any insights/opinions on whether we should save our money for a commercially available form of Sirtris' NCE's (AROS seems to be name of the most recent), and skip the resv for now on account of the poor availability ?

Also, does anyone know if Sirtris will make an NCE or derivative thereof available as a supplement, or will we have to wait for 10 years of trials before it becomes available, prescription or OTC.


Fisiten, butein, silymarin, perhaps myricetin if it's stabilized (by vitamin C?): these are known to activate sirtuins. None as potent by weight as resveratrol. There are a good many that have not been tested, including luteolin. I think Sirtris has mapped all seven known sirtuin genes' receptors, and knows the necessary structure of a molecule to activate them. I am sure they will not release a dietary supplement, that would jeopardize future profits.

But resveratrol works well in rodents, at attainable doses, and is available now. Pass the cheese.

Edited by maxwatt, 12 November 2007 - 01:38 PM.


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Posted 12 November 2007 - 05:24 PM

Hmm... 99.8% here, but that was our last independent result, the one prior to that was 99.7%... so depending on the batch, the purity may change slightly.

I have a dermatologist that tried to use DMSO to increase solubility, but considered it very sticky after he mixed it with resveratrol. It was an issue as he was developing a cream, and the sticky substance was not something he was looking to provide his patients. Having said that, he is still investigating his options.

My 4mg suggestion was for an injectable only, and we do not recommend it for anyone at this time as solubility is an issue. It was also based on plasma levels in a rat... I wanted to know if anyone could correct my calculations using this thread:
http://www.imminst.o...=6&t=17840&st=0

From the DMSO discussion, I believe that a minimum 70-80% solution would be needed, not sure about how much of it will be absorbed though. BIG question mark for me here...

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 05:52 PM

The fact that its sticky is not an attractive feature. A point made here earlier about Sinclair's method of
use made me realize that if cutaneous or sub-lingual was a viable method, he would have done it.
Now, reading that it is sticky, further convinces me that it is not a path I will pursue.
Thanks to everyone for the education.



But resveratrol works well in rodents, at attainable doses, and is available now. Pass the cheese.

Maxwatt, thanks for humor

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 08:18 PM

B12 oral vs. B12 sublingual (genetic predisposition and medication [e.g. glucophage] can make oral B12 unavailable).


I think glucophage could deplete B12 even if you take it sublingually, if you don't take enough.

http://books.nap.edu...065542&page=309

B12 is continually secreted in the bile. In healthy individuals most of this B12 is reabsorbed and available for metabolic functions. El Kholty et al. (1991) demonstrated that the secretion of B12 into the bile averaged 1.0 ± 0.44 nmol/day (1.4 µg/day) in eight cholecystectomized patients


http://books.nap.edu...d=6015&page=310

Thus, B12 deficiency develops more rapidly in individuals who have no intrinsic factor or who malabsorb B12 for other reasons than it does in those who become complete vegetarians and thus ingest no B12.



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Posted 12 November 2007 - 08:41 PM

B12 oral vs. B12 sublingual (genetic predisposition and medication [e.g. glucophage] can make oral B12 unavailable).


I think glucophage could deplete B12 even if you take it sublingually, if you don't take enough.

http://books.nap.edu...065542&page=309



http://books.nap.edu...d=6015&page=310


Indeed, I take sublingual B12 because I read about B12 depletion and glucophage (which I take for LE purposes). I didn't get tested for B12, instead I took the empirical route. I took B12 sublingual and noticed a boost in energy. If you notice a boost of energy when taking B12 either in very large amounts orally or by taking it sublingually, then you're deficient. I now just take sublingual B12 as a matter of course. No, I don't have metabolic syndrome and I don't want it.

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 09:58 PM

Indeed, I take sublingual B12 because I read about B12 depletion and glucophage (which I take for LE purposes).  I didn't get tested for B12, instead I took the empirical route.  I took B12 sublingual and noticed a boost in energy.  If you notice a boost of energy when taking B12 either in very large amounts orally or by taking it sublingually, then you're deficient.  I now just take sublingual B12 as a matter of course.  No, I don't have metabolic syndrome and I don't want it.


That's cool. I though I was just imagining things when I started taking methylcobalamin and would get a mental jolt soon after chewing it up and moving the crumbs under the tongue.

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 10:07 PM

Indeed, I take sublingual B12 because I read about B12 depletion and glucophage (which I take for LE purposes).  I didn't get tested for B12, instead I took the empirical route.  I took B12 sublingual and noticed a boost in energy.  If you notice a boost of energy when taking B12 either in very large amounts orally or by taking it sublingually, then you're deficient.  I now just take sublingual B12 as a matter of course.  No, I don't have metabolic syndrome and I don't want it.


That's cool. I though I was just imagining things when I started taking methylcobalamin and would get a mental jolt soon after chewing it up and moving the crumbs under the tongue.


Of course the jolt doesn't last dose after dose. When you get to accumulate the amount you need, you'll take the stuff and get no jolt. Same with many other supplements: increased energy or clarity then steady state is reached. That doesn't mean it's not doing you any good, it just means that you've adjust to the benefits.

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 11:06 PM

Did anyone get any gum irritation when taking B12 sublingually? I had some irritation after taking Ray & Terry's brand in the morning for several days in a row.

Hmm, just looking at Ray & Terry's dosage, was surprised to find it at 100mcg. Looking at some of the products at iHerb, I see that dosages of 10 times that are common. Natural factors recommends dosing every 2 to 3 days though.

Any thoughts on dosage and frequency?

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 11:27 PM

Guys, how about starting a B12 thread? These B12 posts should be moved to a B12 thread. No one looking for information will ever likely find it buried in the eternal resveratrol thread.

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 11:55 PM

Guys, how about starting a B12 thread?  These B12 posts should be moved to a B12 thread.  No one looking for information will ever likely find it buried in the eternal resveratrol thread.


Are you serious? I thought the whole idea of these fora was obfuscation. Whenever I want to re-read a post, I can't find it, because we have ?dozens? of resveratrol threads, go off on tangents in thread after thread. I sometimes takes more than half an hour finding a post when someone asks for a citation in a forum, things are all so confused. At least in Usenet one is able to announce Topic YYY, formerly Topic XXX. The search engine doesn't work all that well, so I usually have to brute force looking for a post I previous saw. Order out of chaos. Such an interesting concept.

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Posted 13 November 2007 - 03:54 AM

Guys, how about starting a B12 thread?  These B12 posts should be moved to a B12 thread.  No one looking for information will ever likely find it buried in the eternal resveratrol thread.


Are you serious? I thought the whole idea of these fora was obfuscation. Whenever I want to re-read a post, I can't find it, because we have ?dozens? of resveratrol threads, go off on tangents in thread after thread. I sometimes takes more than half an hour finding a post when someone asks for a citation in a forum, things are all so confused. At least in Usenet one is able to announce Topic YYY, formerly Topic XXX. The search engine doesn't work all that well, so I usually have to brute force looking for a post I previous saw. Order out of chaos. Such an interesting concept.


You're not helping any, but you have a good point.

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Posted 13 November 2007 - 05:54 AM

Well, there was this now inactive "The Metformin Club" thread: http://www.imminst.o...=0
where B12 was discussed extensively (including sublingual dosage and a 1% absorption factor - vs oral - thrown in by Fredrik, which may possibly apply to resv as well)

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Posted 13 November 2007 - 06:23 AM

The new SIRTRIS earnings call:

http://seekingalpha....call-transcript

But we always do emphasize we believe have genetic validation of our approach.

We have this cohort in Finland that seems to be healthier with increased SIRT1 activation. We published that in Cell. We have physiological validation for our approach that the data on calorie-restricted humans in Louisiana that we publish.

Also in JAMA and German we have pre-clinical therapeutic validation and we are obviously in the stage now of hoping to show validation on a clinical level. So on that front we think 501 is a very important, very interesting tool for us. And we do continue to believe that it is a potential drug opportunity.



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Posted 13 November 2007 - 02:22 PM

I get a scary "malware scanner" pop up when I click on that link.

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Posted 13 November 2007 - 05:19 PM

I get a scary "malware scanner" pop up when I click on that link.

I didn't, but I use Firefox and have many protective extensions plugged into it, including No Script, Flash Block, Ad Aware.

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Posted 13 November 2007 - 09:13 PM

I, too, use Firefox and get no warning. Here is the transcript (including the permission to lift it):

Christoph Westphal

Thank you very much. Welcome and thank you for joining us to discuss Sirtris Pharmaceuticals financial results and corporate highlights for the third quarter of 2007. My name is Christoph Westphal and I'm the Chief Executive Officer and Vice Chair of Sirtris Pharmaceuticals.

I am joined today by Mr. Garen Bohlin, Chief Operating Officer; Dr. Peter Elliott, Senior Vice President of Development; Dr. Michael Jirousek, Senior Vice President of Research; Mr. Paul Brannelly, Vice President of Finance; and Dr. Michelle Dipp, Director of Corporate Development.

We hope you have had the opportunity to review the quarterly results press release we issued earlier this morning.

Before moving into a discussion of the quarterly results please note that, in this call we will be making forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Safe Harbor provision of Section 21E of the Securities and Exchange Act of 1934.

All forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially. The forward-looking statements we make on today's call are based on our beliefs and expectations as of today only and are subject to potential change.

We refer you to the Risk Factor section of our registration statement on Form S1 for a discussion of the Company's risks and uncertainties that could affect these forward-looking statements. We caution listeners not to place undue reliance on any forward-looking statements as there are no assurances that the matters contained in such statements will be achieved.

With that said, I will make some summary comments on the Company's activities and then ask Garen Bohlin, Chief Operating Officer, to comment on our financial results. We will conclude this morning's call with a question-and-answer session.

On the clinical side, we continue to progress SRT501, our proprietary version of resveratrol, in clinical studies in both Type II diabetes and MELAS, a rare mitochondrial disorder.

We recently initiated a Phase II A study with SRT501 in combination with metformin in patients with Type II diabetes whose glucose levels are not adequately controlled by their metformin treatment. Approximately, 130 patients are expected to be enrolled in the primary end point at levels of HBA-1C.

Secondary end points include levels of fed and fasting glucose and insulin. We have two ongoing Phase I B studies with SRT501 in patients with Type II diabetes and we expect to announce results from the first of these studies at the end of 2007 or in early 2008.

The primary end points are safety and pharmacokinetics. Results for the second study will be announced in the first half of 2008.

We also have an ongoing Phase 1 B study with SRT501 in patients with mitochondrial encephalopathy, lactic acidosis and stroke like episodes also known as MELAS. A total of 20 patients, five in the placebo group and 15 in the treatment group, will be dosed once daily for three months in the primary end point for safety and pharmacokinetics.

Secondary end points include measurements of exercise tolerance. We are also considering additional clinical studies of SRT501 for the treatment of other diseases of aging such as cancer.

In addition, we have positive preclinical data that may support the use of SIRT1 activators in neurodegenerative disease, as presented at the American Neurological Association in October, and in lipid disorders as described in the October 11th issue of Molecular Cells.

With regard to our new chemical entities or NCEs, which are structurally unrelated to and up to 1000 times more potent than resveratrol, we plan to enter the clinic in a Phase I-a study in the first half of 2008. The sirtuins are a broad platform of therapeutic targets for diseases of aging.

The Company's focus to date has been on SIRT1 and now recent data provides support for expanding into members of the sirtuin target platform. Specifically SIRT3 has emerged as a possible target for metabolic disease as published in Cell on September 20, 2007.

Finally, in terms of our expanding intellectual property estate, we recently end licensed IP described as cholesterol regulating complex of SIRT1 and LXR in methods of use from the lab of Professor Leonard Guarente at the Massachusetts Institute of technology.

I will now hand it over to Garen Bohlin, Sirtris's Chief Operating Officer to discuss our third quarter financial highlights.

Garen Bohlin

Thank you, Christoph. Our net loss for the quarter ended September 30, 2007 was $9.7 million or $0.34 per share as compared to $4.9 million or $5.57 per share for the quarter ended September 30, 2006.

Net loss includes $1.3 million of stock-based compensation expense non-cash for the quarter ended September 30, 2007 and $199,000 of stock-based compensation expense for the quarter ended September 30, 2006.

Research and development expense for the third quarter of 2007 was $9.5 million as compared to $4.2 million for the third quarter of 2006. The increase is due primarily to increases in pre-clinical studies costs, external clinical trial costs, stock-based compensation expense, formulation expense for our product candidates, sponsored research costs, allocated occupancy and information technology costs, and personnel costs related principally to increases in research and development headcount.

General and administrative expense for the third quarter was $1.6 million compared to $1.1 million for the third quarter of 2006. The increase is due primarily to increases in professional fees associated with being a public company, stock-based compensation expense, personnel costs and allocated occupancy and information technology costs.

As of September 30, 2007, Sirtris had cash, cash equivalents and short-term investments of $127.1 million as compared to $50 million on December 31, 2006.

With that, I will turn it back over to Christoph.

Christoph Westphal

Thanks Garen. I will now ask the operator to open up our call for questions, and we would be happy to answer any questions you might have.

Question-and-Answer Session

Operator

(Operator Instructions) We will go to Corey Casamov (ph) with JPMorgan.

Corey Casamov - JPMorgan

Great, good afternoon guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Just a couple of them for you here. First of all, regarding the upcoming data for the Phase 1b study for SRT501. First of all, what type of efficacy data could we realistically expect to see in a 28-day trial?

Is there anything about sirtuins as a class that might allow this drug to show a clear signal in such a short period of time?

Christoph Westphal

Thanks very much Corey from JP Morgan. We expect to announce data at the end of this year or very early next year for the first Phase 1-B study. That's once a day dosing in Type II diabetes.

We’ve not yet disclosed the setting where we will present those data, but I would like to take this opportunity to emphasize that we continue to progress SRT501 in the clinic for multiple diseases of aging. The initial data set will be PK and safety as our primary end points as we've continued to articulate to the street.

We are also confident in moving our MTs into the clinic in the first half of 2008 and just as a reminder our NCEs are structurally unrelated to and 1000 times more potent then SRT501 and certainly focus in the pharmaceutical world, they are interested in our NCEs as well.

Corey Casamov - JPMorgan

Okay. Then, as far as how you may present the data, it sounds like no clear decision has been made? Do you at this point should we look for a press release once you have the results or is this more something you would hold for publication in a journal?

Christoph Westphal

So, you are alluding to, appropriately, to the fact that we in general ultimately prefer to publish in the academic press. I think given the interest in these data you can imagine top line data at a conference and a press release accompanying that.

Corey Casamov - JPMorgan

Okay. And then, a last question I have is regarding your IP. You've obviously set a pretty good wall around sirtuins and metabolic studies. Can you describe, however, the type of protection that you may or may not have in non-metabolic settings in particular? I'm talking about in oncology given the recent developments there surrounding the potential impact of sirtuins in that area?

Christoph Westphal

Yes, I will let Garen take that question.

Garen Bohlin

Yes, Corey, that's a good question. In the broadest form, we have claims pending right now that would cover any activators of SIRT1 applied to treat a broad range of diseases including cancer, as well as metabolic and many, many other therapeutic disease areas. So, essentially methods and mechanisms claims that would be highly protective across a broad range of therapeutic disease areas.

Christoph Westphal

And I would just add we have increasing confidence in the strength of our broad patented state and that's validated as we talk to folks.

Corey Casamov - JPMorgan

Okay. Great. Thanks for taking my questions.

Christoph Westphal

Thank you.

Operator

We will go next to Bret Holley with CIBC World Markets.

Bret Holley - CIBC World Markets

Yes, hi guys. How are you? Thanks for taking my questions. First question has to do with your partnership plans with the NCEs. It strikes me that a third party might be interested in seeing these proof of concept data for 501 before they may act on a partnership with the NCEs. What kind of feedback are you getting in your discussions along those lines?

Christoph Westphal

Bret, that’s a great question and certainly something on the mind of many folks on the buy side. We would seek to partner our programs when we can receive the most value for our investment.

We currently believe at that point will be in Phase II-A data range and at least some education such as Type II diabetes that require large patient trial numbers and significant commercialization capability.

So again I would like to say the same thing we say when we meet with the buy side, which is, we are not setting expectations for partnership in the next 12 to 18 months; but we continue discussion at senior levels of pharmaceutical companies.

Bret Holley - CIBC World Markets

Okay. Fair enough. And then, on SIRT3, what kind of time line would be reasonable? I mean obviously the science is becoming more evolved; it's fair to say, over the last six months. I'm just wondering how fast you can act and how fast frankly you need to act is your perception?

Christoph Westphal

It’s a great question. We continue to believe, we are several years ahead of probably half a dozen pharmaceutical companies that are interested in this space. At current, we continue to be encouraged by the data on the additional sirtuins such as SIRT3 and we plan to expand our platform beyond SIRTE1 at the right point. I should emphasize that SIRT3 is still under devaluation as potentially the next most likely sirtuin target area. Currently we are not really providing a time line.

Bret Holley - CIBC World Markets

Okay. So there's no idea of what would be critical path to make that decision at this point? Just that that is kind of where you're heading?

Christoph Westphal

Yes. I mean we will continue as we've done to be, I think, quite transparent with the buy side and to continue to keep folks up-to-date.

Bret Holley - CIBC World Markets

Okay. Thank you very much.

Christoph Westphal

Thank you.

Operator

We’ll go next to Edward Tenthoff with Piper Jaffray.

Edward Tenthoff - Piper Jaffray

Great thanks very much and our congrats on the progress this year. Just one quick housekeeping question and then another sort of larger kind of pass forward question. We did see R&D spike up pretty significantly in the third quarter. Is this more of an appropriate go forward rate way with all of the clinical and pre-clinical work that is ongoing?

And as you look at new indications including cancer, with the NCEs close to advancing into the clinic, does it make more sense to maybe wait for more potent compounds before advancing into cancer or is the goal here to kind of begin to establish proof of concept?

Christoph Westphal

These are great questions Ed. We appreciate them. First of all you pointed out, I think rightly, that our increase in spending is come in R&D and really much more modestly in G&A. I think that is a strong indication where we want to spend our money.

We are very focused on a lean infrastructure. We still have roughly 50 folks here. We've barely hired any since our IPO and we are focused on maintaining a strong balance sheet so that we have no interesting and important control of our strategic fate.

I think that probably answers your first question. You also asked about cancer as an indication. There are data from numerous pre-clinical studies supporting SIRT1 activation for the treatment of cancer. We are in the process of evaluating various oncology indications for SRT501 and more broadly speaking for SIRT1 activation.

We do expect that those trials could initiate in the second half of 2008. I think the final question was 501 versus NCEs. In our view of them we think that 501 is really a unique advantage that our Company has just as we are mimicking a natural process and to remind you, I knew you know this, maybe other folks on the call will not. But we always do emphasize we believe have genetic validation of our approach.

We have this cohort in Finland that seems to be healthier with increased SIRT1 activation. We published that in Cell. We have physiological validation for our approach that the data on calorie-restricted humans in Louisiana that we publish.

Also in JAMA and German we have pre-clinical therapeutic validation and we are obviously in the stage now of hoping to show validation on a clinical level. So on that front we think 501 is a very important, very interesting tool for us. And we do continue to believe that it is a potential drug opportunity.

Edward Tenthoff - Piper Jaffray

And actually, Christoph, I'm sorry just to clarify, the question was more along the lines of I think we understand that 501 is advancing in Type II diabetes now for proof of concept and potentially important in MELAS and other indications.

But I guess my question was more in new indications such as cancer, especially considering we will be starting those trials probably in the late half of next year as you described. Does it make sense to wait for more potent compounds than NCEs to advance into cancer versus 501? So it's more a question of why go into cancer with 501 since the NCEs are close by?

Christoph Westphal

Well that's a great question. It's actually and I'm glad you made it more precise sorry to not have answered it originally. There is a wealth of data regarding resveratrol and SIRT1 activation for the treatment of cancer. There's actually nearing 20 papers published on that.

And so we think it is a really unique advantage we have with SRT501 and resveratrol specifically in cancer. We do believe and I think it's fair to assume that SIRT1 activation in general is attractive. But certainly SRT501 specifically could be very attractive.

Edward Tenthoff - Piper Jaffray

Thanks that’s very helpful.

Operator

(Operator Instructions) We’ll go next to Mike King, with Rodman & Renshaw.

Mike King - Rodman & Renshaw

Yeah, hi. I think you took care of most of my questions and answered to Ted's questions, but maybe Christoph you could cite for us unless you're keeping it under wraps for now. But where you think the greatest biologic validation is of SIRT1 activation in cancer?

Christoph Westphal

I think it's fair to say that you could look at both solid and liquid tumors. We think there's actually quite interesting data points in both of those arenas. We are continuing to still evaluate which ones one might consider going after.

But we actually think that SIRT1 activation, specifically resveratrol on its own and, then, even you go back to the calorie restriction literature which has a wealth of data related to prevention and actually treatment of cancer. We think it is a pretty strong case.

Mike King - Rodman & Renshaw

And just in terms of strategy do you think early on in those types of studies you would go into sort of broad signal seeking types of studies or do you think you might do some kind of enriched study where you would select certain tumor types to focus on more definitively?

Christoph Westphal

You know we're still early in our evaluation. We haven't decided, but you obviously have been in biotech and covering the industry a long time and, certainly, the latter option is quite an interesting one and Peter Elliott who runs our development you know developed Velcade with Julian Adams.

So we certainly feel we have a lot of internal expertise in the area.

Mike King - Rodman & Renshaw

Great. Thank you.

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#1313 Anthony_Loera

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Posted 13 November 2007 - 09:57 PM

Yes, Corey, that's a good question. In the broadest form, we have claims pending right now that would cover any activators of SIRT1 applied to treat a broad range of diseases including cancer, as well as metabolic and many, many other therapeutic disease areas.


How long has this been pending again? I have read through the post (Great post by the way...) and see most info we have seen previously.

A

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Posted 15 November 2007 - 11:03 PM

I have a question
If you're taking 300mg res without noticing much difference
can you just jump to twice that (two caps/600mg) or should it be done gradually, half a cap at a time,
if your 92.


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Posted 15 November 2007 - 11:12 PM

I have a question
If you're taking 300mg res without noticing much difference
can you just jump to twice that (two caps/600mg) or should it be done gradually, half a cap at a time,
if your 92.


Are you saying you are 92?

#1316 niner

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Posted 16 November 2007 - 12:25 AM

I have a question
If you're taking 300mg res without noticing much difference can you just jump to twice that (two caps/600mg) or should it be done gradually, half a cap at a time, if your 92.

At those dosage levels, most people don't feel much. I don't really know the pros and cons of resveratrol usage in a geriatric population. If it were me, at approximately half that age, I'd just double it. 600mg is not a huge dose by the standards of people around here, though we might be considered outliers.

Health_nutty, I think MissMinni is talking about her father. If not, she has a pretty well honed facility for HTML text formatting for a 92 year old...

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Posted 16 November 2007 - 12:47 AM

I have a question
If you're taking 300mg res without noticing much difference can you just jump to twice that (two caps/600mg) or should it be done gradually, half a cap at a time, if your 92.

At those dosage levels, most people don't feel much. I don't really know the pros and cons of resveratrol usage in a geriatric population. If it were me, at approximately half that age, I'd just double it. 600mg is not a huge dose by the standards of people around here, though we might be considered outliers.

Health_nutty, I think MissMinni is talking about her father. If not, she has a pretty well honed facility for HTML text formatting for a 92 year old...



LMAO
Yes, my precious father who I want to live forever!
He just turned 92 this past October.
my dad at 89 years old

Edited by missminni, 16 November 2007 - 04:05 AM.


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Posted 16 November 2007 - 07:57 PM

LMAO
Yes, my precious father who I want to live forever!
He just turned 92 this past October.
my dad at 89 years old
[/quote]

Your aging father seems to be weathering old age remarkably well. If you really want to give him the best odds going forward, you could ask him to take high dose D3, an ethanol+lechitin resv mix at +1.5g per day, and of course, liberal helpings of fish oil (+5g per day). I'm sure us scientifically interested ghouls here at imminst.org would be fascinated to know what beneficial impact that would have on his overall health and senescense...

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Posted 16 November 2007 - 10:13 PM

[quote]LMAO
Yes, my precious father who I want to live forever!
He just turned 92 this past October.
my dad at 89 years old
[/quote]

Your aging father seems to be weathering old age remarkably well. If you really want to give him the best odds going forward, you could ask him to take high dose D3, an ethanol+lechitin resv mix at +1.5g per day, and of course, liberal helpings of fish oil (+5g per day). I'm sure us scientifically interested ghouls here at imminst.org would be fascinated to know what beneficial impact that would have on his overall health and senescense...[/quote]


Thanks, and thank god I inherited his genes.
I wish I knew about D3 before I ordered a years supply of Revgenetics R300 for him. I figured the only way
I will get it down him is as a cap. I am going to have him start out at 2 a day/600mg. At the moment he is taking Jarrow's 100 (x3) but not feeling
any effect. He refuses to take drinks, but I would like to know about D3 anyway. Is that
the brand name? Maybe I should try it.
As for my Dad, he takes quite a few supplements but is very stubborn when you try to introduce
anything new. I think he might take fish oil, but not 5g a day. He goes to a nutritionist/chiropractic doctor in Ft. Laudredale
who aligns him and gives him supplements and then he takes a few he discovered on his own.
I know he takes CoQ10, glucosamine and some
seaweed supplement that lowers his PSA and some stuff she recommended for high blood pressure. I don't live
anywhere near him, so it's hard to know. He says he takes 12 different things a day. He is in great health except
that he can't walk too far without being in pain. He has lower back pain and tightness in his thigh muscles, which I believe is the result
of the two hip replacement surgeries he had about 7 years ago, that he never really totally recovered from.
He does not come from a family that lives long. His mom, dad and siblings all died at fairly early ages.
The one thing that my Dad does is swim. He was always a swimmer. No matter where he lived, he would find a pool
and swim pretty much on a daily basis. He was never into working out, running or anything like that, but he would
lap swim and still does. AS you can see sun exposure hasn't done him any harm either.
3 years ago he had a triple bypass surgery to correct a circulation problem in his legs.
You can imagine the drugs they had him on. He could hardly talk, let alone walk.
I had to fight to get him out of the hospital/rehab they had him in. They were killing him.
When I got him off all the pharmaceuticals and onto supplements he couldn't believe how much better he felt. That's when
he really got into supplements and alternative treatments. Before that he was very skeptical. Obnoxiously so. He actually still is, but
he's seeing results. Everybody is falling apart around him and he is still going strong. Oh, one more thing he just started doing....
stretching! He talks about it like he discovered it. He can't believe how much better he feels after stretching. I don't think you should ever
underestimate the benefits of stretching, strength and balance building exercise.


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Posted 16 November 2007 - 10:33 PM

I think D3 refers to Vitamin D.

The ethanol+lecithin Resv mix at 1.5 grams... is actually 99% rsv powder manually mixed with the others. Personaly I would also mix it with red bull for taste, but thats just me...
[lol]

Remember RevGenetics has a 30 day No questions asked money back return policy on their capsules.
So if you want to cancel a recent order send the bottles back, no problem.

Hope this helps
A

Edited by Anthony_Loera, 16 November 2007 - 10:50 PM.





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