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#1 trance

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Posted 24 April 2007 - 01:15 AM


Nobody knows why, but in recent months millions of honey bees are just disappearing from their hives, and never returning. The implications could be staggering, especially to human grown crops, and the entire food chain.


Background:

http://www.pbs.org/n...bees_04-03.html

http://www.scienceda...70422190612.htm

http://news.yahoo.co...us_070407020928

http://www.cbsnews.c...in2471672.shtml

http://maarec.cas.psu.edu/index.html

http://www.rps.psu.e...robing/bee.html


Bees apparently have wireless interference issues as well:

http://news.independ...icle2449968.ece

#2 Live Forever

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Posted 24 April 2007 - 01:21 AM

poor bees [cry]

#3 mitkat

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Posted 24 April 2007 - 04:38 AM

This is a major problem that I've heard some people really underreact to. Not saying we should be in a panic, but bees do a hell of a lot of pollinating for a huge variety of crops, as well as serving other entomological functions in their respective local ecosystems. Turn off your cell phones, kids! Or stop praying, whichever combo works.

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Posted 24 April 2007 - 12:36 PM

I have heard the cell phones thing too. Couple questions on it (if anyone knows): If it is cell phones, 1) do people really use cell phones near beehives a lot?, and 2) why hasn't it showed up till now (since cell phones have been big for several years now)?

#5 Shepard

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Posted 24 April 2007 - 02:21 PM

This further solidifies my theory that cell phones are the bastard child of Satan.

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Posted 24 April 2007 - 02:48 PM

there are many theories, cell phones being among the most popular.

others include:

GMO crops and gene transfer

Chemical pesticides

breeding of european and african bees.

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Posted 24 April 2007 - 04:20 PM

Shepard

This further solidifies my theory that cell phones are the bastard child of Satan.


Then why are you using one in your avatar.

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Posted 24 April 2007 - 04:31 PM

Shepard

This further solidifies my theory that cell phones are the bastard child of Satan.


Then why are you using one in your avatar.

I think that is Bob Dylan playing a harmonica.

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Posted 24 April 2007 - 04:33 PM

I know.

..or perhaps he's saying "is this thing on.."

I'll go back to my day job.

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Posted 24 April 2007 - 05:48 PM

Consider setting up an apiary in your backyard. It's not that difficult. Just make sure you buy a gentle, docile colony. Avoid playing around with the aggressive species--case in point--Frightening story.

Franklin, CT --- HEART, NOT BEE STINGS, KILLED BEEKEEPER --- A Franklin man attacked by hundreds of bees Sunday died of heart failure and not from bee stings, the medical examiner's office has ruled. Ernest W. "Bill" Jennings, 54, was tending to beehives near his home Sunday morning when a swarm of bees attacked him, then chased him for a quarter-mile as he tried to escape in his pickup truck. When he arrived back at his house, Jennings tried to fend off the bees by spraying them with a garden hose, his wife, Carol Smith, has said. A few minutes later, Smith saw Jennings lying on the ground outside the house. He was dead and had been stung dozens of times, despite his protective gear. But many of those stings likely came after Jennings died of heart failure, the medical examiner's office in Farmington said Friday. (Eric R. Danton, The Hartford Courant, 9/1/01).
http://www.stingshie...om/2001news.htm (scroll down to Franklin, CT for full story.)

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Posted 25 April 2007 - 02:10 PM

Well, I hope they get whatever it is figured out fast to avoid a catastrophe.

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Posted 25 April 2007 - 07:20 PM

i got stung by a swarm of bees once

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Posted 25 April 2007 - 07:32 PM

i got stung by a swarm of bees once

I am assuming that means you aren't allergic. That, or you got an antidote in time.

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Posted 25 April 2007 - 07:44 PM

wasn't allergic then. Don't know if I am now.

It was a migrating swarm sitting on the ground. I stepped right on top of it.

I came back later and took pictures of them. They were still there.

I'll need to scan those in one of these years.

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Posted 25 April 2007 - 07:48 PM

hopefully there's enough genetic diversity among bees so that whatever the hell it is thats causing these colonies to disintegrate doesn't effect some, and soon that will be the dominant type

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Posted 25 April 2007 - 07:49 PM

I had a bunch of bees swarming around and bothering me recently.

I turned on my cell phone, and they all dropped to the ground ...

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Posted 25 April 2007 - 07:59 PM

worse comes to worse we can just not use crops that need honey bees. We aren't going to starve.

#18 Shepard

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Posted 25 April 2007 - 10:39 PM

i got stung by a swarm of bees once


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Poor Macaulay.

#19 danielrichard

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Posted 26 April 2007 - 06:50 AM

worse comes to worse we can just not use crops that need honey bees. We aren't going to starve.

In the long term perhaps, but if the bees disappear quickly enough, it'll devastate the food supply in affected areas before the agricultural infrastructure can adapt. For people who only spend 5% of their budget on food, they'll be okay if food prices double or triple. People who spend 20% of their budget or more on food will be in serious trouble. Prices will naturally escalate, but the government will probably try to institute rations and price controls, and that won't be pretty.

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Posted 26 April 2007 - 09:51 PM

Now it's happening in Taiwan ...

http://today.reuters...&src=rss&rpc=22

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Posted 27 April 2007 - 10:21 PM

Doesn't look like cellphones are the culprit.

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Posted 27 April 2007 - 10:57 PM

In the long term perhaps, but if the bees disappear quickly enough, it'll devastate the food supply in affected areas before the agricultural infrastructure can adapt.


No it won't. Crops requiring bee pollination tend to be luxury items, not staple crops (most are self pollinating). Furthermore honeybees aren't even native to North America.

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Posted 27 April 2007 - 11:01 PM

Doesn't look like cellphones are the culprit.


as far as I'm aware there never was any real evidence regarding cellphones.

the media is ridiculous.

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Posted 29 April 2007 - 07:03 PM

This is a major problem that has been developing for years. It is not just one thing and it's definitely not cellphones. One problem has been various mites which seem to have immigrated from other countries. The bee mites put a serious strain on the bee colonies killing many. Other problems include strains of fungus that specialise in parasitizing bees. They have also found viruses that seem to be part of the problem. It's not just one thing, it's the combination of all these things.

Recently they found that bees are becoming disoriented and can't find their way back to the hives. Bee keepers find abandoned hives full of honey. Normally other bees will grab any honey but the bee population is collapsing. I haven't seen a bee in years except for one I saw last year. Any you see are likely to be africanized.

Lots of crops depend on bees and other crops that don't depend on it, do a lot better if they are tended by bees. Our food supply will be in danger. It seems that wasps and other insects are filling the gap in some cases but I sure
hope that bees make a comeback.

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Posted 02 May 2007 - 09:18 PM

The web abuzz about bees ...

http://www.breitbart...&show_article=1

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Posted 02 May 2007 - 11:50 PM

Honeybee die-off threatens food supply
By SETH BORENSTEIN, AP Science Writer
Wed May 2, 4:42 PM ET
BELTSVILLE, Md. - Unless someone or something stops it soon, the mysterious killer that is wiping out many of the nation's honeybees could have a devastating effect on America's dinner plate, perhaps even reducing us to a glorified bread-and-water diet.
Honeybees don't just make honey; they pollinate more than 90 of the tastiest flowering crops we have. Among them: apples, nuts, avocados, soybeans, asparagus, broccoli, celery, squash and cucumbers. And lots of the really sweet and tart stuff, too, including citrus fruit, peaches, kiwi, cherries, blueberries, cranberries, strawberries, cantaloupe and other melons.

In fact, about one-third of the human diet comes from insect-pollinated plants, and the honeybee is responsible for 80 percent of that pollination, according to the U.S.

Department of Agriculture.

Even cattle, which feed on alfalfa, depend on bees. So if the collapse worsens, we could end up being "stuck with grains and water," said Kevin Hackett, the national program leader for USDA's bee and pollination program.

"This is the biggest general threat to our food supply," Hackett said.

While not all scientists foresee a food crisis, noting that large-scale bee die-offs have happened before, this one seems particularly baffling and alarming.

U.S. beekeepers in the past few months have lost one-quarter of their colonies — or about five times the normal winter losses — because of what scientists have dubbed Colony Collapse Disorder. The problem started in November and seems to have spread to 27 states, with similar collapses reported in Brazil, Canada and parts of Europe.

Scientists are struggling to figure out what is killing the honeybees, and early results of a key study this week point to some kind of disease or parasite.

Even before this disorder struck, America's honeybees were in trouble. Their numbers were steadily shrinking, because their genes do not equip them to fight poisons and disease very well, and because their gregarious nature exposes them to ailments that afflict thousands of their close cousins.

"Quite frankly, the question is whether the bees can weather this perfect storm," Hackett said. "Do they have the resilience to bounce back? We'll know probably by the end of the summer."

Experts from Brazil and Europe have joined in the detective work at USDA's bee lab in suburban Washington. In recent weeks, Hackett briefed Vice President Cheney's office on the problem. Congress has held hearings on the matter.

"This crisis threatens to wipe out production of crops dependent on bees for pollination," Agriculture Secretary

Mike Johanns said in a statement.

A congressional study said honeybees add about $15 billion a year in value to our food supply.

Of the 17,000 species of bees that scientists know about, "honeybees are, for many reasons, the pollinator of choice for most North American crops," a

National Academy of Sciences study said last year. They pollinate many types of plants, repeatedly visit the same plant, and recruit other honeybees to visit, too.

Pulitzer Prize-winning insect biologist E.O. Wilson of Harvard said the honeybee is nature's "workhorse — and we took it for granted."

"We've hung our own future on a thread," Wilson, author of the book "The Creation: An Appeal to Save Life on Earth," told The Associated Press on Monday.

Beginning this past fall, beekeepers would open up their hives and find no workers, just newborn bees and the queen. Unlike past bee die-offs, where dead bees would be found near the hive, this time they just disappeared. The die-off takes just one to three weeks.

USDA's top bee scientist, Jeff Pettis, who is coordinating the detective work on this die-off, has more suspected causes than time, people and money to look into them.

The top suspects are a parasite, an unknown virus, some kind of bacteria, pesticides, or a one-two combination of the top four, with one weakening the honeybee and the second killing it.

A quick experiment with some of the devastated hives makes pesticides seem less likely. In the recent experiment, Pettis and colleagues irradiated some hard-hit hives and reintroduced new bee colonies. More bees thrived in the irradiated hives than in the non-irradiated ones, pointing toward some kind of disease or parasite that was killed by radiation.

The parasite hypothesis has history and some new findings to give it a boost: A mite practically wiped out the wild honeybee in the U.S. in the 1990s. And another new one-celled parasitic fungus was found last week in a tiny sample of dead bees by University of California San Francisco molecular biologist Joe DeRisi, who isolated the human

SARS virus.

However, Pettis and others said while the parasite nosema ceranae may be a factor, it cannot be the sole cause. The fungus has been seen before, sometimes in colonies that were healthy.

Recently, scientists have begun to wonder if mankind is too dependent on honeybees. The scientific warning signs came in two reports last October.

First, the National Academy of Sciences said pollinators, especially America's honeybee, were under threat of collapse because of a variety of factors. Captive colonies in the United States shrank from 5.9 million in 1947 to 2.4 million in 2005.

Then, scientists finished mapping the honeybee genome and found that the insect did not have the normal complement of genes that take poisons out of their systems or many immune-disease-fighting genes. A fruitfly or a mosquito has twice the number of genes to fight toxins, University of Illinois entomologist May Berenbaum.

What the genome mapping revealed was "that honeybees may be peculiarly vulnerable to disease and toxins," Berenbaum said.

University of Montana bee expert Jerry Bromenshenk has surveyed more than 500 beekeepers and found that 38 percent of them had losses of 75 percent or more. A few weeks back, Bromenshenk was visiting California beekeepers and saw a hive that was thriving. Two days later, it had completely collapsed.

Yet Bromenshenk said, "I'm not ready to panic yet." He said he doesn't think a food crisis is looming.

Even though experts this year gave what's happening a new name and think this is a new type of die-off, it may have happened before.

Bromenshenk said cited die-offs in the 1960s and 1970s that sound somewhat the same. There were reports of something like this in the United States in spots in 2004, Pettis said. And Germany had something similar in 2004, said Peter Neumann, co-chairman of a 17-country European research group studying the problem.

"The problem is that everyone wants a simple answer," Pettis said. "And it may not be a simple answer."

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On the Net:

Colony Collapse Disorder Web page by the Mid-Atlantic Apiculture Research and Extension Consortium:

http://maarec.cas.ps...seDisorder.html

National Academy of Sciences study on pollinators: http://www.nap.edu/c...?record_id11761

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Posted 03 May 2007 - 12:55 AM

Bromenshenk said cited die-offs in the 1960s and 1970s that sound somewhat the same. There were reports of something like this in the United States in spots in 2004, Pettis said. And Germany had something similar in 2004, said Peter Neumann, co-chairman of a 17-country European research group studying the problem.


Sounds like our history with the Flu.

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Posted 03 May 2007 - 01:16 AM

That's ok trance, I'm protected by the StingShield  [lol]


This is great. "buy a bag to throw over your head in case of bees"

I hope that bees don't die out. Good luck, bees!

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Posted 03 May 2007 - 04:24 AM

How about we design nanobot bees to replace those buggers?

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Posted 04 May 2007 - 11:35 PM

Actually, one reason I heard talked about on the radio involves the solar cycle.

Our sun is at an unprecedented level of solar activity, putting out a lot more ultraviolet light than usual. This light is invisible to us, but is blinding to bees. They see in that band and it's at a level where they are having difficulty navigating to and from their hives.

They need sunglasses. :)

Seriously though, we need to keep an eye on this. Bees are vital to our survival and if they die out, we die out. We need to find a way to protect them long enough for the solar cycle to return to normal in a few years.




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