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#1 maestro949

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Posted 01 February 2007 - 12:34 PM


Could this really really be it? In 2006 I think I tagged at least 40 different potential cures to cancer.

Now there's DCA. There are a few people claiming that the mainstream media is ignoring this story for one reason or another.

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The researchers put a website in response to all the hoopla

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#2 cesium

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Posted 03 February 2007 - 04:17 PM

I've seen people on other forums say that they are going to start supplementing with it themselves as a sort of cancer prevention - be careful with that, it has been shown to cause severe peripheral neuropathies in some clinical trials done, so severe that those clinical trials were halted. Not worth trying unless it has already been confirmed that you do have cancer.

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Posted 04 February 2007 - 02:38 AM

i read elsewhere that it raises potential testicular cancer risk as well

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Posted 04 February 2007 - 03:11 AM

pubmed link
http://www.ncbi.nlm....l=pubmed_docsum

#5 aikikai

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Posted 04 February 2007 - 08:21 AM

Very interesting! As this molecule seems to fix the damaged mitochondria, could it be used for increasing life span?

http://www.ncbi.nlm......ids= 16476929

Edited by aikikai, 04 February 2007 - 09:05 AM.


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Posted 04 February 2007 - 10:01 PM

Well, were those mitochondria really damaged, or were they just deactivated or made dormant?

But clearly mitochondria are useful for apoptosis, where they can release their corrosive contents into the rest of the cell to destroy it. I guess DCA helps keep the mitochondria primed for that purpose.

They say that Lysine can do something similar there, too. Is DCA presumably much more potent?

I've taken Lysine pills when I was sick with the flu, and they can really help to knock down a viral illness quickly. Would DCA be at all useful for that purpose? What are the known side-effects of the drug?

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Posted 04 February 2007 - 10:04 PM

Hmm, here's some more:

http://www.newscient...e.ns?id=dn10971

#8 aikikai

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Posted 08 February 2007 - 06:28 PM

manifsan
Do you have any more info about Lysine?

#9 Athanasios

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Posted 08 February 2007 - 10:37 PM

I saw this disclaimer on the research site

Often, patients with terminal cancer might feel they are in a desperate situation and might be “willing to try anything”. It needs to be remembered that the inappropriate use of these drugs might cause catastrophic complications and make the situation even worse.


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#10 manofsan

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Posted 09 February 2007 - 02:12 AM

Lysine is just an ordinary amino acid that happens to be used by your cells for apoptosis (hence the verb, "to lyse")
You can buy it over-the-counter at any health supplement store. But like I said, I would only use it during a viral illness like the flu.

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Posted 09 February 2007 - 06:49 AM

I was reading about this a couple weeks ago here.

http://www.newscient...st-cancers.html

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Posted 10 February 2007 - 04:08 PM

Here's a fun read about all the hype surrounding DCA & Cancer. Dr. Len, in his blog thinks the attention DCA is getting is driven by conspiracy theories

Time and trials will tell whether it's a cancer panacea or not. Most likely not IMO. Regardless, it's an interesting molecule that may be of value to future aging research given it's possible affects on metabolic pathway repair.

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Posted 19 May 2007 - 09:00 PM

Scientists cure cancer, but no one takes notice
By: David McRaney
Posted: 1/23/07

EDITORS NOTE:

Since the original publication of this article we have been inundated with responses from the public at all walks of life. It is important to note that research is ongoing with DCA, and not everyone is convinced it will turn out to be a miracle drug. There have been many therapies that were promising in vitro and in animal models that did not work for one reason or another in humans. To provide false hope is not our intention. There is a lot of information on DCA available on the web, and this column is but one opinion on the topic. We hope you will do your own research into the situation. So, we have added links to resources at the end of this column. If you are arriving here form a linking website like Fark, then those links will not appear because they tend to grab only the text. For those visitors, here is a link to the original research: www.depmed.ualberta.ca/dca

END NOTE

Scientists may have cured cancer last week.

Yep.

So, why haven't the media picked up on it?

Here's the deal. Researchers at the University of Alberta in Edmonton, Canada found a cheap and easy to produce drug that kills almost all cancers. The drug is dichloroacetate, and since it is already used to treat metabolic disorders, we know it should be no problem to use it for other purposes.

Doesn't this sound like the kind of news you see on the front page of every paper?

The drug also has no patent, which means it could be produced for bargain basement prices in comparison to what drug companies research and develop.

Scientists tested DCA on human cells cultured outside the body where it killed lung, breast and brain cancer cells, but left healthy cells alone. Rats plump with tumors shrank when they were fed water supplemented with DCA.

Again, this seems like it should be at the top of the nightly news, right?

Cancer cells don't use the little power stations found in most human cells - the mitochondria. Instead, they use glycolysis, which is less effective and more wasteful.

Doctors have long believed the reason for this is because the mitochondria were damaged somehow. But, it turns out the mitochondria were just dormant, and DCA starts them back up again.

The side effect of this is it also reactivates a process called apoptosis. You see, mitochondria contain an all-too-important self-destruct button that can't be pressed in cancer cells. Without it, tumors grow larger as cells refuse to be extinguished. Fully functioning mitochondria, thanks to DCA, can once again die.

With glycolysis turned off, the body produces less lactic acid, so the bad tissue around cancer cells doesn't break down and seed new tumors.

Here's the big catch. Pharmaceutical companies probably won't invest in research into DCA because they won't profit from it. It's easy to make, unpatented and could be added to drinking water. Imagine, Gatorade with cancer control.

So, the groundwork will have to be done at universities and independently funded laboratories. But, how are they supposed to drum up support if the media aren't even talking about it?

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Posted 19 May 2007 - 09:10 PM

I hope it pans out.

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Posted 19 May 2007 - 10:05 PM

From the March New Scientist:

Lawrence Burgh has a sober outlook on life. A 48-year-old physician whose career has centred on treating seriously ill patients, Burgh was diagnosed with cancer in December 2006. Yet despite his clinical experience, he has taken an extraordinary step to try to rid himself of his illness, a step many would consider to be a medical heresy.

Burgh is one of a growing number of patients who have been dosing themselves with a simple laboratory chemical that has never before been used to treat cancer in people. Most are doing so without the help of doctors, and none is enrolled in any systematic clinical trial of the substance. Instead, they are buying it over the internet, and sharing their experiences of it in online chatrooms. For them, the unlicensed, untested drug represents their last best chance of survival.

That's not the way cancer specialists see it. For them, the activities of Burgh and those like him are indicative of what could become a dangerous new trend, in which groups of seriously ill people get together online to discuss, source and try untested drugs whose safety and efficacy is uncertain.

The drug in this case, known as DCA, is a widely available chemical that cannot be patented. In basic laboratory tests and experiments in rats it has shown promise as an anti-cancer agent, but in people it may yet show side effects that could further damage the lives of people who take it. Scientists investigating the potential of DCA as a cancer treatment fear that any deaths or injury caused by its premature, unregulated use could damage their work - and the welfare of patients far into the future.

Burgh's quest to cure himself began last month, shortly after he was told the cancer in his thigh had spread to his lungs. "My prognosis is very poor," he says. "Standard chemotherapy would give me only a slim chance of survival at five years." So he turned to DCA, after reading about the promising lab experiments in New Scientist (20 January, p 13).

DCA, or dichloroacetic acid, is an analogue of acetic acid in which chlorine atoms replace two of the three hydrogen atoms on the methyl group. Because it is a corrosive acid, it must be "buffered" to damp down the acidity, and it is usually administered as sodium dichloroacetate.

In January, a study by Evangelos Michelakis and his colleagues at the department of medicine at the University of Alberta in Edmonton, Canada, suggested that DCA could shrink several types of tumour in rats, by exploiting a previously ignored metabolic pathway in the cell (see "How DCA could affect cancer", below). "I was intrigued by the proposed mechanism," says Burgh (not his real name; this article uses a pseudonym to protect his privacy). "The biochemistry made sense to me. I subsequently read dozens of articles and abstracts on DCA before I decided I wanted to try it."

On 27 February, he self-administered his first dose, and for the next month took DCA twice a day, monitoring his blood and urine for signs of any problems, and visiting his oncologist, who was aware of what he was doing, once a week.

Because DCA is not an approved drug in the US, the UK or anywhere else, Burgh had to find his own supply. Using his contacts he obtained raw DCA, then asked a chemist friend to buffer it and check its purity.

Burgh is not alone in his attempts to procure the drug. Already, within weeks of Michelakis's paper being published, a substantial online community has grown up, largely centred on the website www.thedcasite.com which declares itself to be a gateway for information on DCA. At least eight of the individuals who have posted contributions on the site's chatroom, including Burgh, claimed to be taking DCA or giving it to a close relative. By 21 March, the chatroom had 135 active members - most of them from the US, Canada, the UK and Australia - plus posts from numerous unregistered users, many swapping tips on how to get hold of DCA, how to prepare the chemical for human consumption, and what supplements they should be taking to minimise side effects.

"This is pretty much a new phenomenon," says Kate Law, director of clinical trials at research charity Cancer Research UK. "There has always been an industry for vulnerable people, but the magnitude of it has multiplied exponentially. The internet has changed the world for people who are looking for miracles."

Michelakis himself warns that people taking DCA could do themselves serious harm. The chemical is known to increase the risk of nerve damage in people who have been given it in clinical trials for other reasons. It may also cause liver damage and interact with existing anti-cancer drugs in unexpected ways. "Since many anti-cancer drugs are neurotoxic, these interactions could be fatal," Michelakis says. Worst of all, he says, if patients are taking DCA outside clinical trials, such damaging side effects may go unrecorded.

Desperate measures
Yet there are many desperate patients prepared to take this risk. Michelakis says his department gets thousands of emails from people saying they have nothing to lose, but that's not how he sees it. "Of course you've got something to lose," he says. "There are many cases of people being told 'you've only got a month to live', and a month later they're still alive. If you take DCA, it may not work, you could still have the cancer, and you'll be paralysed."

Despite such warnings, people are continuing to hunt down details of potential suppliers of DCA. "I have been getting three to four calls a day," says Steve Grossman, manager of J. E. Pierce Apothecary in Brookline, Massachusetts. "I've had calls from pretty much the whole of the northern hemisphere now, plus Africa, the Middle East and south-east Asia. Mostly it is people with end-stage cancer, who have already gone through everything medicine had for them." Grossman says he will not dispense DCA to anyone unless he sees a prescription from a doctor - and no one has yet provided one.

Because DCA has never been approved as a drug for human use, the sale of pharmaceutical-grade DCA, which has been sterilised, purified and had its pH adjusted, is tightly controlled. In the US, a doctor can only prescribe it if they have already applied for an Investigational New Drug (IND) number from the Food and Drug Administration for its compassionate use in a seriously ill patient, or in a clinical trial. Doctors in Canada must gain permission from their provincial college of physicians and surgeons, while companies who supply it to doctors in the UK must inform a national regulatory agency.

As word gets around that people are buying DCA to use as a drug, suppliers of the chemical are clamping down for fear of breaking the law. However, despite these restrictions, people are still acquiring it.

Thedcasite.com shows at least 34 people have got hold of DCA - either through doctors, or by obtaining raw laboratory-grade DCA from chemical supply companies, for example - and are either taking it, or plan to start taking it soon. At least another 50 are actively searching for a supply. One person claims to have got theirs from chemical giant Sigma-Aldrich based in St Louis, Missouri. Michael Hogan, the company's chief administrative officer, says it will not dispatch any chemical to individuals or residential addresses, and after being alerted to the problem he says Sigma will now tighten up surveillance on DCA orders. He points out, however, that if a legitimate company places an order, Sigma has no control over who that company sells it on to.

In a further twist, thedcasite.com has a sister site that sells DCA as a treatment for cancer in animals, offering a further way for people to get hold of the drug (see "An online community is born", below). The FDA says it is investigating the websites, after being alerted to their existence by New Scientist. Yet ultimately there may be very little it can do, as DCA is already a widely used laboratory chemical that can be ordered from thousands of companies worldwide.

Hogan is clear that his company considers taking DCA to be unsafe. "We would no more encourage someone to self-medicate with DCA than to drink poison," he says. As well as the inherent health risks, there is the possibility of contamination in laboratory-grade DCA, and not buffering it correctly could result in severe burns.

Burgh has yet to see DCA make any impact on his cancer. Medical scans on 19 March showed that the primary tumour in his thigh has shrunk, and is less active, but this may be due to the delayed effects of radiotherapy and chemotherapy Burgh had in January. The number of metastatic tumours in his lungs has not changed since last month, and they are larger and more active. "These results are very preliminary," Burgh stresses, "but I was really hoping for better results." On 21 March, he stopped taking the drug after noticing symptoms which by 24 March included a numbness in his hands, which he believes to be a sign of neuropathy, and a hypoglycaemic attack. He advises other people with cancer not to self-medicate with DCA except under medical supervision. "I am concerned others may try this drug on their own in desperation," he says. "DCA is chemotherapy, a serious drug with potentially serious side effects."

Michelakis opposes any self-medication with DCA, and the websites that facilitate it. Though he says he can understand why people with cancer are motivated to take DCA, he points out that not only are they placing themselves in danger, they may also be jeopardising the chances of finding out whether DCA actually works in treating cancer and of it becoming approved as a therapy. If people become sicker or die while taking DCA unsupervised, he says, funding and willingness to test it may disappear. "We are trying to do this the right way, by putting it into clinical trials, and these websites could destroy all of this."

How DCA could affect cancer
The preliminary discovery that DCA may shrink particular cancers in rats has prompted some to rethink how cancer takes hold in the first place.

One feature of cancer cells is that they produce energy by glycolysis (the breakdown of glucose) in the cytoplasm, rather than in the mitochodria, which shut down. Until recently this switch was thought to be merely a symptom of cancer, rather than anything more fundamental.

Yet DCA seems able to switch the mitochondria back on, and in doing so it turns on their ability to recognise a cell as abnormal and make it self-destruct. When Evangelos Michelakis at the University of Alberta tested DCA on cancer cells in culture, they died. When he gave it to rats with human tumours, the tumours shrank (Cancer Cell, DOI: 10.1016/j.ccr.2006.10.020).

Earlier findings by two other groups lend support to the mechanism. In normal cells, DCA has long been known to trigger the switch between glycolysis and the production of energy in the mitochondria, by inhibiting an enzyme called pyruvate dehydrogenase kinase (PDK). In doing so, it decreases lactic acid production, which led to it being clinically tested, unsuccessfully, as a treatment for lactic acidosis in children.

In March last year Chi Van Dang at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine in Baltimore, Maryland, showed that inhibiting PDK also triggers the release of toxic reactive oxygen species by the mitochondria, resulting in cell death. He speculated that PDK might therefore be an important therapeutic target for cancer. "My work, in a sense, confirms Dang's hypothesis," Michelakis says.

Then in June, Philip Leder at Harvard Medical School in Boston and his colleagues found that blocking glycolysis in cancer cells through a different mechanism stimulated their mitochondria and reduced tumour growth in mice, improving their survival (Cancer Cell, DOI: 10.1016/j.ccr.2006.04.023).

"These papers strengthen the rationale for trying DCA in patients with cancer, although it doesn't necessarily mean that it will work in humans in the end," Michelakis says.

He is submitting protocols to Health Canada for a clinical trial, and hopes to begin recruiting patients in the coming months. He has also been contacted by groups in the US, the UK and Canada that are interested in running human trials of DCA.

An online community is born
Within weeks of the results from animal trials of DCA being published, two websites were promoting its benefits and facilitating online discussion about its use.

The first, www.thedcasite.com, claims to act as a gateway for information on DCA, while the second, www.buydca.com, offers to sell it for the treatment of cancer in animals. Both sites were founded by Jim Tassano, who operates a pest-control company in Sonora, California. While both sites state that DCA has not been approved for human use, thedcasite.com has been enthusiastic about cancer patients giving it a go. "Is DCA worth trying? We absolutely think so," the main site read when created in early February this year. "The risks of a DCA-based therapy are trivial compared to those of accepted cancer therapy."

The site also suggested that people donate money to the University of Alberta, where Evangelos Michelakis and his team continue to test DCA as a drug, and encouraged people to write to the US Congress and to doctors, urging them to kick-start clinical trials in cancer patients as soon as possible.

Michelakis says that since he published his study, and the appearance of the websites, he has received more than 15,000 emails from people enquiring about DCA. Around 3000 of them ask about it as a veterinary drug, with the implication that they are trying to source it for themselves or another person. He sees a clear link between the pet site and the questions he is being asked. "At first [people enquiring] were quite honest," he says. "But we're now getting emails from people asking for dosage information for, say, a 150-pound golden retriever."

Ron Marcinkoski, a pharmacist in Edmonton, Alberta, has also been contacted by people who he believes have bought DCA from the pet site. "People are asking me if I can test its purity, if I can encapsulate it," he says. "I think it is a major source."

Tassano maintains that the primary goal of the pet site is to sell DCA for animal use, although he is aware that people are buying it for themselves. On 5 March, he posted updates on the health of two people he claims to have sold DCA to, saying both were doing well. This post has since been removed. "I can understand why they do it," he told New Scientist. "The information is there so they can go to their doctor with it. Whether they buy their DCA from me is their choice."

Because DCA has not been approved for human use, it would be illegal for a website to sell it for human consumption in the US, says special agent Phil Walsky of the Food and Drug Administration's Office of Criminal Investigations. His office is investigating the links between the two sites. Marketing DCA for animal use is also an offence, as it has never been approved for veterinary use, an FDA spokeswoman says.

Tassano says he is now aware of the FDA's rules, and has amended his postings over the past few weeks to reflect this. For example, earlier postings which stated that he had managed to acquire large quantities of DCA have since been removed, and on 23 February a disclaimer appeared stating "We do not advocate the use of DCA for human cancer at this stage and time."

Tassano maintains he has not made any profit from the sites, and that they are playing an important role in helping to raise the profile of DCA. "We are only doing what we think is right."

No time to lose
"I am just a desperate daughter hoping to find a way to gain a few more years with my mother, and hoping that my 10-month-old daughter will grow up knowing her grandmother." The words of Meg Walker of Ontario, Canada, reflect the hopes and fears of many families affected by cancer, and their desire to have access to therapies to treat the condition.

Through a doctor, Walker (a pseudonym) has obtained a supply of DCA for her mother, who has stage 4 leiomyosarcoma, which has spread to her lungs. They are waiting on the results of her mother's chemotherapy before deciding whether to try the chemical, but wish that DCA and other experimental treatments were more readily available. Clinical trials take time, and "the public is fed up with waiting on the medical community to get through their red tape", she says.

Burgh echoes this view. Because DCA has not been approved as a drug, the company that supplies pharmaceutical-grade DCA would not sell it to him without an IND number - a licence occasionally granted by the US Food and Drug Administration. "I do not have time to wait for an IND number," Burgh says. "The process takes about six months - I may be dead by then."

One patient group, The Abigail Alliance based in Fredericksburg, Virginia, is taking the FDA to court to try and force it to open up access to experimental drugs for terminally ill patients, including those with cancer. Its founder, Frank Burroughs, says DCA should not be used in patients until it has undergone safety tests in people with cancer.

However, he says that in general doctors should be allowed to administer any drug that has passed initial human safety tests and has shown promising efficacy. The FDA's existing policies "block the life, liberty and pursuit of happiness of patients who cannot get into clinical trials", the alliance claims. A federal appeals court in Washington DC ruled in the alliance's favour in May 2006, but is reconsidering its ruling at the request of the Bush administration. A verdict is expected within eight months.

The FDA says it is considering regulatory changes that would enable easier access to experimental medicine, regardless of the outcome of the court case. Under the proposed rule, expanded access would be available to individual patients and groups being treated under a systematic plan, provided that there is no satisfactory alternative therapy for the disease or condition. A 90-day consultation period ended on 20 March, but no date has been set for implementing these changes.

Many charities welcome the proposed clarification, saying it will speed up the decision-making process. Peer-reviewed clinical trials remain the best way for patients to assess new medicines, says Steve Weiss of the American Cancer Society. "Yet we recognise that many patients are not eligible [for clinical trials]. We view this rule as a positive and necessary step toward balancing the individual needs of patients and patient safety while also maintaining the integrity of our system of high-quality, scientifically based and peer-reviewed clinical trials and patient participation in them."

The Abigail Alliance says the regulations will merely put into law current policies which are too stringent. "We believe that the decision [as to whether to take an experimental drug] should not be the FDA's, but the patients' in consultation with their doctor," says Burroughs
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Posted 21 May 2007 - 08:32 PM

DCA, a chemical that shrinks tumours in rats and destroys human cancer cells - a possible 'cure' to cancer.
http://clicktocure.org
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Posted 28 May 2007 - 09:18 PM

Hi Everyone,

The understanding of the relationship between viruses and cancer is actually the culmination of seven years of intensive medical study and the reason why my book has not been written...yet. I have been waiting for the "punch line" and this is it...how we actually reap what we sow in our physical lives.

All it takes is a brief review of virology and what these little guys do in nature...which is vital to the creation and its moment-by-moment operation...and then we can see the truth about why it has all gone wrong. Am I over-dramatizing? I don't think so.

Simply put, viruses were made to adapt. They also are integral in the variation we see in nature. The other essential piece of information you need is how they incorporate their genetic information into ours. Once again, it is a scientific FACT that we have more viral information in our double stranded DNA than we do genes. Wow! Does that answer much.

So, do the genes that code for your eye color or the fact that you have two arms, two legs, one liver, and one nose suddenly mutate and give you a "genetic" disease? No, it is the viruses embedded in that DNA that do this. They have been there for generations and new ones are added with each generation. The acquisition of viruses was meant for good...to help us to adapt to our ever-changing environment. So, we should really thank someone who gives us a virus, shouldn't we? If we were optimally healthy, we would acquire the guy and get on with our healthy lives.

BUT, because of what we have done to ourselves, the environment, and the animals that harbor many of these viruses, some of the viruses have become "virulent". Yes, they have been FORCED into adapting into something stronger because of what we have done. Once again, we reap what we sow.

Then, as we become more and more unhealthy while continuing to challenge our viral inhabitants with lectins, chemicals, pollution and "carcinogens", we reach critical mass. Our immune system IS the governor of this situation and is constantly trying to control this situation. We have all heard it said that we are fighting cancer at every moment of every day. Yep. So, what happens when we "assassinate our governor" by doing what we do??? Yes, the poor nutrition, malabsorption syndromes caused by the "big 4" food intolerances, the lack of sleep, the chemicals, and more are ALL bullets that were firing away at our governor. Once again, we reap what we sow.

With an ineffective, bullet-riddled governor and the continuation of the virus-challenging process, we lose our grip while the viruses are forced to adapt into something more powerful just to survive (which again is what they were charged with from the beginning...to adapt...at all costs...even to our detriment if it came to that).

Think of them as little robots. Well hey...look at them. Most of them LOOK like little robots. Have you seen them? They have a head that looks like the geodesic dome of the Epcot center. They have legs like a lunar lander and are very mechanical looking. So, the analogy is most accurate. Are they living or not? A great debate rages on about this. I think they have to be, just not by the standards that we normally use for "living". Think of them as androids. Yeah, that's it.

And yes, once backed into a corner, they play their ultimate card- to induce a tumor that protects them and the cells in which they reside....a fortress that walls itself off from these continued challenges. I used to think they were trying to escape the immune system. Now I know better.

And, does a single tumor in a lung lobe or lymph node kill anyone? Hmmm... How about the drugs and radiation designed to kill that tumor? Hmmm...again. Oh oh. And what's more, what does a virus feel forced into doing if its new cocoon is threatened? MOVE, right? Yes, that is called metastasis. So simple, so clear...right?

Question: Would cancer resolve IF we did enough right by stopping what we are doing that is driving these viruses crazy? We know we can prevent cancer by doing these things, right? (Unfortunately, it is more appropriately put that we can accelerate cancer by doing enough bad things. )

But could we take a person who has cancer (or any chronic viral disease), move them to a pristine location, feed them perfectly, give them unpolluted water, and alter their lifestyle so that they sleep well and get plenty of exercise and have that cancer or condition resolve? I believe the answer is a resounding YES, YES, YES. There is plenty of evidence of this. We hear stories of people curing themselves of cancer, MS, and other serious conditions and dismiss them because we simply don't believe that we can recover from such things. What an attitude, eh? Where did that come from anyway? When did we lose faith in this miraculous body? And when did we start the process of literally handcuffing its attempts to heal itself by taking all of this symptomatic medication (e.g NSAIDS to reduce fevers caused by viruses)??? I know when and it fits like a glove into man's history.

I no longer put any limitations on what this body can do, only one what WE can do for our body. Does that pristine environment exist? Can we eat perfectly with what we have done to our food supply? The good news is that we don't necessarily have to be perfect. The absolute worst of the worst do, unfortunately. But everything I have learned about medicine in the past 6 years screams at me that we are made to recover. We just start too late and rarely do enough right? But once we see that disease is a "spectrum disorder", with its victims ranging from the "best of the best" to the "worst of the worst", we can easily see why some people get better with "holistic" treatment and others do not. Have those that don't done enough right...yet???

So, what IS the cure for cancer? Does the answer lie in the laboratory? Is it hidden in the jungles of South America? OR does it lie within us all? I think we all really know the answer to this one now, don't we? And once again.............................How cool is that?

I hope this helps,
John

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Posted 29 May 2007 - 02:13 AM

.... Um... yeah Ok?


Back on Topic. DCA looks very interesting and the idea of switching on the mitochondria of cancer cells is very clever. I look forward to seeing studies on it, its sad that since no one will be making money off of it there won't be as many intensive investigations. If I had cancer I would definitely try it.

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Posted 29 May 2007 - 02:53 AM

Sezarus:
DCA has been used before on humans, its results are indeed promising as an anti-cancer therapy, but we must remember what DCA is doing.

DCA converts primary mitochondrial function from fatty acid breakdown to glucose synthesis, which is avaialable in cancer tissues, this turns on the Fas/FasL pathway (I can only assume through some molecule like bax) to initiate apoptosis. After I first heard about DCA, and was very excited, I started to hear that one of the recorded side effects of DCA treatments was neurological damage.

Let me find a link to post here... http://www.thedcasit...dca_safety.html

...Now that I compare the doses in mg/kg, this seems VERY promising. The question will be is it going to be used as a preventative measure eventually, a supplement in drinking water, perhaps, for there the minor toxicity issues might come into play. But this molecule looks immensely exciting for cancer treatment.


Let's not forget that earlier on these boards it was revealed that one lab had also successfully restored Rb function and knocked in p53 function again. We may have a real way to fight cancer sooner than we think.

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Posted 29 May 2007 - 03:11 AM

Uh.. drinking water... are you retarded?

#21 pyre

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Posted 29 May 2007 - 04:51 AM

Drinking water was how it was administered to rats/mice in the studies.

I was NOT suggesting that we would put it in our public water system or anything like that, but since it is water soluble have the people on DCA absorb it orally in liquid form.

PS: I am not retarded.

#22 pyre

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Posted 29 May 2007 - 04:53 AM

As another interesting side note, news about DCA is being highly distributed, last week, or the week before, when I first heard about the chemical it was because it was the #1 hit for the week on digg.com.

#23 mike250

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Posted 29 May 2007 - 09:40 AM

so big pharama doesn't see any benefits to it from using this stuff

#24 Live Forever

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Posted 12 July 2007 - 09:48 PM

Another recent news report on the promise of DCA:




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Posted 29 September 2007 - 02:38 AM

Health Canada approves first human trial for experimental cancer drug

EDMONTON - Health Canada has approved the first human trial of an experimental cancer drug called dichloroacetate, or DCA, in people with an advanced form of an aggressive brain cancer.
The molecule has drawn international attention after the University of Alberta's Dr. Evangelos Michelakis published promising results in January showing it significantly shrunk tumours in rats. This new trial will give doctors a clue as to whether the research's impressive results will make the jump into human subjects.
"Typically from the time you report results in animals to the point that you test in a human being, takes about three years, even with the support of the pharmaceutical industry," Michelakis said Wednesday. "For us to have completed it in eight months is remarkable."
Researchers hope to try the drug on up to 50 people with glioblastomas over the next 18 months. Michelakis said they are recruiting from the Edmonton area to start, but aren't ruling out allowing people from other provinces to take part, as long as the funding can be found. The first subjects could begin within a few weeks.



Edit: Added (DCA) to title

Edited by maestro949, 13 October 2007 - 06:20 PM.


#26 veritasbh

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Posted 29 September 2007 - 04:07 PM

University of Alberta Dep. Medicine DCA site link

More Information is available here (and another update will be forthcoming within 2 weeks.)

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Posted 29 September 2007 - 07:03 PM

Goodluck!

#28 JonesGuy

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Posted 30 September 2007 - 01:36 AM

But Canada is socialised medicine! We can't have any groundbreaking discoveries here!

edit: keep in mind that only about 2% of therapies that are effective in animals end up being effective in people, so don't get your hopes too far up. That said, the safety issue has already been explored and so that's a relief.

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Posted 30 September 2007 - 04:43 AM

But Canada is socialised medicine! We can't have any groundbreaking discoveries here!


Not really comparable. DCA is a cheap compound that has been around for decades. It doesn't need to undergo extensive safety tests like most drugs so all they have to do is get enough funding for one clinical trial. A lot of that funding money is coming from private donations. You can't compare that to new drugs which need like 800 million to get them approved. How many new drugs does the canadian government get to market?

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Posted 30 September 2007 - 12:22 PM

I'm just teasing. :)

But there needs to be a mechanism for getting cheap compounds to market, if they work. Any Canada gets plenty to market, especially new procedures (that are invented by clinicians and researchers), because we're interested in seeing progress too.

We'll need to do more than one clinical trial, for sure, on DCA. This trial sounds like a demonstration, anyway, and won't be strongly scientific (though intuition leans that way). I have to admit that I'm hopeful.




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