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#901 maxwatt

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Posted 21 July 2008 - 04:35 PM

I have come to the conclusion that using milk or milk products, such as yogurt or sour cream, is as effective as HPMC and a lot more convenient. My arthritic joints say so.

I am also getting better results taking it mid-afternoon rather than morning or night.

For those who missed the milk discussion earlier in this thread, milk proteins weakly bind to resveratrol (hopefully obviating the molecular clumping problem) and release it easily enough to get it to the body's cells. It is not like green tea (EGCG) where milk reduces availability of the catechins. Milk protein may also sequester resveratrol from glucoronidation and sulfonation to some extent. Micronization isn't necessary with this method, nor is everclear or other ETOH product. Lactose intolerant? Whey protein isolate also works.

Niner: you are clearly suffering withdrawal symptoms. Maybe a 12-step program? Or more resveratrol.

As you know, I've been using milk all along and it dissolves the res completely and I have had
excellent results. For Minni I dissolve it in very oily tomato sauce sardines....she won't drink milk....I've tasted it and it tastes great
and as I've reported, she is doing phenomenally well.


Maybe she'll eat sour cream? I've been mixing my dog's res with a spoon of sour cream, then stirring her kibble in it till it is all coated. She loves it, and her arthritis seems in complete abeyance, not bad for a 10-year old dog.

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Posted 21 July 2008 - 05:11 PM

I have come to the conclusion that using milk or milk products, such as yogurt or sour cream, is as effective as HPMC and a lot more convenient. My arthritic joints say so.

I am also getting better results taking it mid-afternoon rather than morning or night.

For those who missed the milk discussion earlier in this thread, milk proteins weakly bind to resveratrol (hopefully obviating the molecular clumping problem) and release it easily enough to get it to the body's cells. It is not like green tea (EGCG) where milk reduces availability of the catechins. Milk protein may also sequester resveratrol from glucoronidation and sulfonation to some extent. Micronization isn't necessary with this method, nor is everclear or other ETOH product. Lactose intolerant? Whey protein isolate also works.

Niner: you are clearly suffering withdrawal symptoms. Maybe a 12-step program? Or more resveratrol.

As you know, I've been using milk all along and it dissolves the res completely and I have had
excellent results. For Minni I dissolve it in very oily tomato sauce sardines....she won't drink milk....I've tasted it and it tastes great
and as I've reported, she is doing phenomenally well.


Maybe she'll eat sour cream? I've been mixing my dog's res with a spoon of sour cream, then stirring her kibble in it till it is all coated. She loves it, and her arthritis seems in complete abeyance, not bad for a 10-year old dog.

It's wonderful, isn't it. Nah, she is a fussy eater. Busta will eat anything, but Minni is picky. But it really does work well in the tomatoe herring. She takes after my dad. He loves tomato herring too.

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 03:51 AM

I guess I need to just start eating these gel-clumps and seeing if they alleviate my achilles heel pain as effectively...In the mean time could anyone explain how/why the large proportion of HPMC might prevent bioavailability of the RSV?

The problem isn't so much the amount of HPMC but the fact that it has formed a gel. These HPMC gels are used in the pharmaceutical world specifically to make slow-release formulations. The gel holds together in your body and the drug slowly diffuses out of it. This is not what you want for a resveratrol formulation. The 3% HPMC solution that maxwatt mentioned is not the ratio of HPMC to resveratrol, it's the ratio of HPMC to water. It means that 100 grams of solution contains 3 grams of HPMC.

I don't have any HPMC on hand, I recently used up the last of my resveratrol, and in a moment of not having anything better to drink, consumed the last of my Everclear while barbecuing. Since I'm in total reagent crisis, I'll ask the public spirited of you to try this experiment:

First create a 3% HPMC solution using the method malbecman posted. Boil 40 ml water, let it cool to slightly below boiling, and disperse 3 grams HPMC in it with stirring. To this dispersion add 60 ml ice cold water, with stirring. This should form a clear solution without a gel, lumps, or strings. If you don't get that, you might need to play around with the ratio of hot to cold water, or maybe include some crushed ice in the cold water.

Once you get the clear HPMC solution, dissolve some resveratrol in ethanol. You'll get the best results if you obtain a true solution which will be crystal clear with a slight yellowish tint. If you don't have highly concentrated ethanol, you'll need to use more of it. When you have the resveratrol dissolved, pour it into the HPMC solution, with stirring. You should get a milky white suspension that stays suspended. That's the stuff; you just made SRT501, minus the DOSS and plus alcohol. Drink up!

From what notox posted above, it sounds like this is about what he did, and it sounds like it worked. Notox, how much HPMC did you use? I worry that 30mg will not be enough to keep the particles from agglomerating, particularly in the stomach and intestines, but maybe it's ok. Did you get a clear resveratrol solution? How much water did you use? How much resveratrol?

It may be that Sirtris uses more HPMC than notox did so that they can really load up the solution with resveratrol without the patients having to drink large quantities of liquid. The fact that notox saw no precipitation in an hour's time is pretty impressive. That says that HPMC works WAY better than PEG (Miralax). One thing I'd like to know is can we make up a large quantity of HPMC solution and store it in the refrigerator for a reasonable amount of time without gel formation? Maxwatt mentioned somewhere that the DOSS in SRT501 is only there to prevent gelling.

If anyone tries this, let us know how it turns out.

Thanks niner. Can you fill in another piece of this puzzle for me? The reason I wanted to get away from the water was that, aside from the confusion over whether the 3% was HPMC/water or HPMC/RSV, I was under the (mis?)impression that SRT501 came in a pill form. So I figured that it would be tough to fit 90 ml of water into a pill. If there is a pill, then do you have any guess as to what Sirtris was doing to distill their water/HPMC/RSV/DOSS solution down to the size of a pill?
Also, is it possible that gelling/slow release might become an asset as the dosage level rose? For instance, if a person was taking 10 grams or more RSV per day?

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 04:08 AM

SRT501 appears to be a liquid solution, I don't believe it is a pill at all.

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Edited by Anthony_Loera, 22 July 2008 - 04:08 AM.


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Posted 25 July 2008 - 12:14 AM

I wonder if this would work with resveratrol.

http://www.zymesllc....science/ubisol/

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Posted 29 July 2008 - 04:13 AM

Nanotech to increase bioavailability of Resveratrol? What is PTS?



If Bruce Lipshutz has his way, you may soon be buying bottles of water brimming with the life-sustaining coenzyme CoQ10 at your local Costco.
Lipshutz, a professor of chemistry at UC Santa Barbara, is the principal author of an upcoming review, "Transition Metal Catalyzed Cross-Couplings Going Green: in Water at Room Temperature," which will be published in Aldrichimica Acta in September. In it, Lipshutz and post-doctoral researcher Subir Ghorai discuss how recent advances in chemistry can be used to solubilize otherwise naturally insoluble compounds like CoQ10 into water.

Never heard of CoQ10? Lipshutz says you're not alone. "If you don't know anything about it," Lipshutz said during a recent interview, "that's not surprising to me. Much of the public hasn't heard of it." But he's on a mission to correct what he views as a major oversight. "In a sense, I'm just a messenger. People need to not only know about CoQ10, they need to take it."

Like vitamin C, CoQ10 is a compound that's vital to our survival. It's a coenzyme that our cells synthesize, albeit in 21 steps, and it's in every cell. This contrasts with a vitamin, such as vitamin C, which is not made by the body. Both CoQ10 and vitamin C are "compounds of evolution," Lipshutz said. "Everybody accepts the importance of vitamin C. The reason the public does not fully appreciate it is that there's no Linus Pauling for CoQ10. There is no champion."

Pauling, a Nobel Prize-winning scientist, was also an advocate for greater consumption of vitamin C. "CoQ is not really in that category of public awareness yet," Lipshutz said.

While the body produces its own CoQ10, that production decreases with age. "Nature gave us, through 2.5 billion years of evolution, a number of fundamental anti-aging, free-radical scavengers that helped us to survive, on average, only to about 40 years of age, until modern medicine came along," Lipshutz said.

A large percentage of the body is made up of water, "but there are also the lipophilic portions of our cells that make up the non-aqueous part," Lipshutz explained. At some point in our evolution, the water-soluble antioxidant vitamin C was produced in vivo, or what would technically be "coenzyme C." Eventually, "a mutation took place that now prevents humans from making it," he said. "However, evolution chose not to mutate out CoQ10."

If one doesn't get vitamin C, the consequences can be dire. "It's essential for several cellular processes. For example, everyone knows about scurvy," Lipshutz said. "You can last 30 days, maybe 60 days, as your cells deteriorate."

On the other hand, CoQ10 - much of which is in the mitochondria of our cells - is essential for cellular respiration and ATP (adenosine triphosphate) production. "You wouldn't last 30 minutes without CoQ10," he said. "Thus, evolution teaches us that CoQ10 is as important as vitamin C. But who's teaching this to our aging population? Nobody."

Lipshutz has a history of CoQ10 research at UCSB. Initially, he retooled the chemistry that would produce the supplement via synthesis instead of fermentation, which is what Japan used to become the world leader in CoQ10 production. But China's entry into the CoQ10 market only a few years ago changed everything.

"The price of CoQ for over 30 years was about $1,600 per kilo as produced by the Japanese," Lipshutz said. "The Chinese came along and, for the time being, have dramatically altered the market by deciding at the government level that they were going to own this important area of dietary supplements. CoQ10 can now be purchased for as little as $400 a kilo, which in principle is great news for consumers."

When the supply of CoQ10 grew faster than demand, Lipshutz went into the lab to study what else could be done with this life-enriching compound. After all, CoQ is now readily available. At Costco or drug stores, you can buy CoQ10 formulated into softgels that deliver the nutrient in various strengths. It's marketed as helping to provide a boost in energy as well as a healthy heart. But, Lipshutz notes, you absorb only10-15 percent of CoQ10 in the softgel form. How, he asked, could this become more available and bioefficient?

"The future is not about access to CoQ10 anymore," he said. "It's not about, 'Do we have the best synthesis?' or 'Can we compete with the Chinese?' It's about getting it into water, so that we can get it into our mitochondria."

Quite a challenge since CoQ10 is water insoluble. The answer? Go nano.

"We do it with nano-micelle-forming technology," Lipshutz said. He starts by putting a known, inexpensive molecule called PTS into water, which spontaneously forms a nanosphere about 25 nanometers (one nanometer is equal to one billionth of a meter) in diameter. This sphere has a lipophilic portion tied to a hydrophilic portion through a linker. The lipophilic portion, which is actually vitamin E, goes to the center. "The vitamin E portion associates in the middle with itself because it doesn't have any solubility, any energy-lowering interactions, with the water around it," Lipshutz said. "But the external or hydrophilic portion associates with water.

"So, on the outside is the water-loving portion, while the lipophilic, or grease-loving portion, is on the inside. When you add the CoQ, it says, 'Where would I rather be?' Since like dissolves like, the CoQ10 goes inside the micelle. It's 25 nanometers and it's crystal clear. And, it's stable at room temperature."

That's nanotechnology. It delivers twice the amount of the compound into the bloodstream, and the concentration in water can be adjusted, he said. This approach can be applied to a broad range of nutraceuticals, including omega-3s, carotenoids like lutein and beta-carotene, and resveratrol. "We can also take pharmaceuticals, like Taxol, an anti-tumor agent, and put them into just water or saline using this PTS," he said.
By taking advantage of this micellar technology, synthetic chemistry can also be done inside the nano-containers. That translates into doing chemistry in pure water, and at room temperature. "That's green chemistry," Lipshutz said.

The amount of heat usually needed in reactions, and the waste created by organic solvents, are dramatically reduced. Lipshutz hopes that when his processes are looked at on a much larger scale, a savings of metric tons of solvent, currently released into the environment, will be realized.

"We aim to get organic solvents out of organic reactions," he said. "And we're already looking into next-generation possibilities. All of our green chemistry has come out of being able to put CoQ10 and other dietary supplements into water."

Lipshutz sees this as his most significant contribution to an already illustrious career as an organic chemist.

"It's an opportunity to affect every person on the planet," he says proudly.

Posted July 25th, 2008

http://www.azonano.c...asp?newsID=6935

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Posted 29 July 2008 - 04:57 AM

Micelles as drug delivery vehicles have been around for a long time. It sounds like what makes this unique is the small size of the micelle. Sounds expensive. I don't know what PTS is. Some sort of amphiphile They mentioned that Vitamin E was part of it, so maybe the T stands for tocopherol?

Edit: Google is my friend. PTS = Polyoxyethanyl α-tocopheryl sebacate

Edited by niner, 29 July 2008 - 05:00 AM.


#908 krillin

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Posted 30 July 2008 - 12:14 AM

Nanotech to increase bioavailability of Resveratrol? What is PTS?

I posted the manufacturer's webpage five days ago.

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Posted 30 July 2008 - 02:42 AM

We are actually attacking the absorption issue as well...

  • 1kg 99% Trans-Resveratrol (regular, not micronized, in the back)
  • 100 grams 99% Trans-Resveratrol (regular, not micronized, in the front)
  • 100 grams 99% Trans-Resveratrol (micronized, middle left)
  • 100 grams 99% Trans-Resveratrol (?, in the jar)

All I can say is that the fluffy clumps in the jar will completely collapse at the slightest touch, it will be able to be independently tested before a "formulation" is created using it, and that there are 2 patents being sought...


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Edited by Anthony_Loera, 30 July 2008 - 02:43 AM.


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Posted 30 July 2008 - 02:50 AM

All I can say is that the fluffy clumps in the jar will completely collapse at the slightest touch, it will be able to be independently tested before a "formulation" is created using it, and that there are 2 patents being sought...

Most interesting, Anthony! Can you say anything regarding the particle size of the mystery nano-ized stuff? And is it the same chemical substance as the other resveratrols? (i.e., is it still 99% trans Resveratrol?)

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Posted 30 July 2008 - 12:46 PM

Sorry, I can't comment on the details on the stuff in development at this time. But I will, as soon as we have a scheduled production run, a final formulation and pricing...

But I did want to let you know, we are continuing on product development and are not just importing powder and reselling it to you.

Cheers
A

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Posted 03 August 2008 - 04:18 AM

:edit:

My question has been answered. :)

Edited by jCole, 03 August 2008 - 01:42 PM.


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Posted 04 August 2008 - 03:17 PM

I recently discovered something that I would call resveratrol cream.

I dissolved 2g resveratrol into 30 cl 56% alc. near the boiling point,
the solution was clear but oversaturated. Then I add a magnetic
stirring bar and and setup maximum rotation speed then I add 50 cl
cold water and within a fraction of a second the whole stuff becomes
very thick and creamy; a table spoon can stand inside :

Attached File  RsvCream.jpg   33.32KB   39 downloads

After 24h later the stuff hasn't changed in consistency. Maybe I've
found a way to minimize particles size/enlarge surface of the praticles ?

Could this help for better bioavailability what do you think ?

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Posted 04 August 2008 - 03:39 PM

Following Maxwatt's advice, I've gone from using HPMC to mixing my daily two grams in a whey protein drink.

My indicator is the effect of resveratrol on my morning workout. Since switching to the whey technique I'm noticing stronger and more energetic workouts. Even had a strong desire (which I resisted) to do a maxi bench press workout one afternoon. The effect corresponds to what I noticed in the past with higher doses. So far I haven't had any of the diarrhea issues I've experienced with higher doses.

Edited by steelheader, 04 August 2008 - 03:41 PM.


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Posted 04 August 2008 - 04:31 PM

Following Maxwatt's advice, I've gone from using HPMC to mixing my daily two grams in a whey protein drink.

My indicator is the effect of resveratrol on my morning workout. Since switching to the whey technique I'm noticing stronger and more energetic workouts. Even had a strong desire (which I resisted) to do a maxi bench press workout one afternoon. The effect corresponds to what I noticed in the past with higher doses. So far I haven't had any of the diarrhea issues I've experienced with higher doses.


Wait till you try my resveratrol chocolate bars....

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Posted 15 September 2008 - 08:45 PM

Unicellular liposomes (=just one layer of fatty acids) can be created by injecting an ethanolic lipid solution into water
(among other methods). This may be an easy way to create liposomes of a resveratrol-lecithin solution.
Ref: http://www.freepaten...om/6120795.html

Also, PEGylated "stealth" liposomes might be the gold standard for delivery (http://en.wikipedia....osomes#Prospect):

Further advances in liposome research have been able to allow liposomes to avoid detection by the body's immune system, specifically, the cells of reticuloendothelial system (RES). These liposomes are known as "stealth liposomes", and are constructed with PEG (Polyethylene Glycol) studding the outside of the membrane. The PEG coating, which is inert in the body, allows for longer circulatory life for the drug delivery mechanism. However, research currently seeks to investigate at what amount of PEG coating the PEG actually hinders binding of the liposome to the delivery site.


Current issues/problems I'm thinking about:
- how to get lecithin into solution without clumping?
- add PEG and HPMC or only HPMC?
- whey may be an alternative to the whole procedure,but can't find comparative references


Below is my current recipe. Comments, suggestions?

Part 1: HPMC/PEG-Mix
- 20mg HPMC
- 30mg Finely ground PEG 4000
- stir into 40-50ml boiling water
- stir till fully dissolved
- let it sit and fully cool down (30 min, fridge)

Part 2; Resveratrol Mix

- Add 1 gram resveratrol to 30ml warm 99% Ethanol
(not boiling, as I'm afraid about denaturing the TRES)
- Stir until Resveratrol is dissolved fully in pure ethanol
- Stir in 20mg ground Lecithin or more, avoiding clumping - how?

Part 3: Mixing both, making liposomes

- Pour ethanolic "Resveratrol Mix" into 75ml ice cold distilled water to produce liposomes
- Add cold "HPMC/PEG Mix" to this while stirring, hopefully PEGylating some liposomes

Done ;)

Also, I considered using a milk foamer, as, for small amounts,
it seems to have a higher intensity than a normal mixer.

Edited by mixter, 16 September 2008 - 08:50 AM.


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Posted 15 September 2008 - 09:48 PM

I shied away from HPMC after there appeared to be a disagreement as far as its optimal proportion in a given mixture. I'm glad I did because I am very happy with my current system:

Stir 2 grams rsv in glass with about 1 1/2 tablespoons of booze
Stir in 3-4 ounces of eggnog

The process is quick, the booze hopefully micronizes the rsv, and the eggnog mixes in well with the alcohol and seems to suck up the rsv like a vacuum cleaner -- just a thin film of eggnog on the inside of the glass after drinking. The stuff seems to get inside me more efficiently and with fewer associated internal disturbances than with any other mixture I've tried. For a while I was doing one gram rsv with eggnog, then another gram later on with a peanut butter/jelly sandwich. But, with all due respects to Hedgehog, I don't think the peanut butter sandwich was anywhere near as effective...

Since it is off season, I have to make the eggnog myself, but I make a quart of it at a time in about 5-10 minutes and that lasts me 8-10 days.

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Posted 16 September 2008 - 10:22 AM

Egg + booze seems like a good idea, although you'll probably want to go only
for fresh/self-made, the fats in a shelf variant may be highly oxidized.

Egg yolk gives you lecithin in perfect solution, hence great for making a small batch.
You could still do the liposome stuff: sonicate and/or heat the (fatty etho)
mixture, then add it to an ice cold HPMC and/or PEG solution.

Regarding proper percentage of HPMC, Sinclair used 3%. Probably because
this is a very safe lower limit, and nobody knows better yet. By which I would
guess that a 3% HPMC solution shouldn't hurt and if lucky, will help.

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Posted 16 September 2008 - 09:29 PM

Egg + booze seems like a good idea, although you'll probably want to go only
for fresh/self-made, the fats in a shelf variant may be highly oxidized.

Egg yolk gives you lecithin in perfect solution, hence great for making a small batch.
You could still do the liposome stuff: sonicate and/or heat the (fatty etho)
mixture, then add it to an ice cold HPMC and/or PEG solution.

Regarding proper percentage of HPMC, Sinclair used 3%. Probably because
this is a very safe lower limit, and nobody knows better yet. By which I would
guess that a 3% HPMC solution shouldn't hurt and if lucky, will help.

No one seems to have disputed the 3% part of the HPMC (a lot of the discussion takes place on the previous page in this thread), but there seemed to be some who thought the amount of HPMC had to be 3% of the amount of resveratrol, and others who thought the HPMC had to be 3% of either the entire solution (or of just the liquid in the solution).

Thanks for the advice about staying with the home-made stuff. What does the high oxidation do to impair the delivery?

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Posted 17 September 2008 - 09:00 AM

No one seems to have disputed the 3% part of the HPMC (a lot of the discussion takes place on the previous page in this thread), but there seemed to be some who thought the amount of HPMC had to be 3% of the amount of resveratrol, and others who thought the HPMC had to be 3% of either the entire solution (or of just the liquid in the solution).


Ahh, I see. I'm totally positive that Sinclair means a 3% HPMC solution, 3 parts HPMC and 97 parts water (or 5 M solution if I remember lab work correctly).
In lab reports xx% <compound> solution always means xx percentage of <compound> in water/solvent, independent of what you use it for afterwards.

Thanks for the advice about staying with the home-made stuff. What does the high oxidation do to impair the delivery?


Well.. polyphenols like resveratrol can oxidize. That being said, probably nothing, if prepared w/ fresh TRES, oxidized lipids are just unhealthy ;)

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Posted 19 September 2008 - 09:49 PM

Would alcohol be a more effective delivery method than miralax?

The problem is that when you consume the alcohol, the resveratrol will precipitate out when the mixture gets to your stomach. The SRT501 study showed that delivery with a micronized particle mixed with tween was far superior to delivery of the micronized particle alone. And I am not sure (at all) how this would work, but I imagine that during the precipitation process, the resveratrol particles might aggregate together. If this is the case, then possibly the PEG3350 could micro-encapsulate the small particles before they aggregate. The PEG3350+Ethanol+Resv+water looked noticably better than the non-PEG version.

I believe there had been some discussion about taking the resveratrol sublingually with alcohol. I don't know how well this would work: Considering the alcohol resveratrol mixture is clear, it is going to be difficult to know how much of the resveratrol has been absorbed.


I just looked at the RevGenetics website, and they claim to sell a micronized Resveratrol powder with particle sizes of around 1.5 microns. Isn't this a lower particle size than what you put together? Did you start with the regular powder and not the micronized powder?

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Posted 20 September 2008 - 01:21 AM

Taking Resveratrol

What has been found to be the best way to take Resveratrol powder?

(edited by Matthias: threads 24376 & 16805 merged)

Edited by Matthias, 21 September 2008 - 09:59 AM.


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Posted 20 September 2008 - 04:01 AM

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Thanks for not answering my question and I have used that button. Thats the biggest problem I have seen here is that people seem quick to judge or act like someone is dumb instead of helping them. I will never understand why people cant just answer what is asked in a post. Thanks anyway and have a great weekend

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Thanks for not answering my question and I have used that button. Thats the biggest problem I have seen here is that people seem quick to judge or act like someone is dumb instead of helping them. I will never understand why people cant just answer what is asked in a post. Thanks anyway and have a great weekend


Take a look through the very first sticky thread "Maximizing Resveratrol Effectiveness". Lots of interesting information. The reason you aren't going to get a quick answer is because it is not really known what is the best way to take it. We have some basic experiments and anecdotes that suggest certain methods are best. One of the apparent keys to increasing its absorption is getting resveratrol into suspension which is not so easy since it is very hydrophobic.

Edited by DaffyDuck, 21 September 2008 - 02:31 AM.


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Thanks for not answering my question and I have used that button. Thats the biggest problem I have seen here is that people seem quick to judge or act like someone is dumb instead of helping them. I will never understand why people cant just answer what is asked in a post. Thanks anyway and have a great weekend


Take a look through the very first sticky thread "Maximizing Resveratrol Effectiveness". Lots of interesting information. The reason you aren't going to get a quick answer is because it is not really known what is the best way to take it. We have some basic experiments and anecdotes that suggest certain methods are best. One of the apparent keys to increasing its absorption is getting resveratrol into suspension which is not so easy since it is very hydrophobic.



Thanks DaffyDuck

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Posted 23 September 2008 - 04:22 AM

I have been using buccal delivery for my Resveratrol for a few weeks now. I stopped for about a week and have since resumed and I have noticed the change. It is like I feel bullet proof when I take Resveratrol this way. I think I must be getting a pretty good dose and would love to see someone test blood levels like this. I take about half a teaspoon full of res and leave it between teeth and gums overnight. By morning, it has usually gone or there is just a little bit left.

Has anyone else been doing this or is anyone else game to try it?

I definately feel different and it is not the buzz that you get when you first start taking Res.

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Posted 23 September 2008 - 04:26 AM

We are actually attacking the absorption issue as well...

  • 1kg 99% Trans-Resveratrol (regular, not micronized, in the back)
  • 100 grams 99% Trans-Resveratrol (regular, not micronized, in the front)
  • 100 grams 99% Trans-Resveratrol (micronized, middle left)
  • 100 grams 99% Trans-Resveratrol (?, in the jar)

All I can say is that the fluffy clumps in the jar will completely collapse at the slightest touch, it will be able to be independently tested before a "formulation" is created using it, and that there are 2 patents being sought...


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Anthony,

Any news on this intriguing stuff? Launch date? What it is?

#929 Anthony_Loera

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Posted 23 September 2008 - 03:45 PM

Hi ResvHead,

We have been wrestling with the costs to produce this. The stuff ends up to be rather expensive to produce. It's really the only thing that has stopped us from rolling it out. To tell you the truth, I am not sure if we want to sell loose nano-powder at $8 per gram, then again (looking at the price list) it looks like an option.

Don't get me wrong, this stuff is simply amazing.
At 50nm per particle measured by an independent lab, dry powder without any "ethanol" taste, I also believe buccal absorption would be best for this product.

We did test a different method of producing nano-resveratrol recently using high pressure system to see if we could reduce costs in a liquid, but only got it down to 500nm in a liquid. I still think that 500nm may not be adequate, as our micronized res hits 1500nm (1.5 microns) already. So 500nm may not make as much of a diffrence in absorption as 50nm would.

A 'heaping' 1/4 teaspoon of the powder only provides about 60mg-65mg of nanopowder because of the low density, when you compare that to 300mg of micronized, or 500mg of regular resveratrol in a 1/4 teaspoon.

Then again, it would be cheaper than longevin** so, I may make it available for a limited quantity to see if it's something people may consider.

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Posted 23 September 2008 - 05:19 PM

I have also tried the buccal delivery and would love to see some blood work. Where is Hedgehog when you need him? ;-) Mine is usually absorbed/disappears in ~45-60 minutes and I do notice the effects from taking it this way. I cant say if its better or stronger
than oral delivery as that's pretty subjective but buccal does seem to work.



I have been using buccal delivery for my Resveratrol for a few weeks now. I stopped for about a week and have since resumed and I have noticed the change. It is like I feel bullet proof when I take Resveratrol this way. I think I must be getting a pretty good dose and would love to see someone test blood levels like this. I take about half a teaspoon full of res and leave it between teeth and gums overnight. By morning, it has usually gone or there is just a little bit left.

Has anyone else been doing this or is anyone else game to try it?

I definately feel different and it is not the buzz that you get when you first start taking Res.






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