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[Mark A]

Interview with Craig Smith, Libertarian National Socialist Green Party

Brave soul Paul Cooijmans likes to interview people who are thinking outside the box as far as a fix for humanity's problems. He took the time to write an interview with writer Craig Smith, who answered his questions in a lengthy interview touching on National Socialism, ancient ethics, and future technology.

http://paulcooijmans...nter/smith.html

[Live Forever]

"Libertarian National Socialist Green Party" ??

I hope he realizes that libertarian and socialist are on opposite ends of the spectrum and diametrically opposed positions to hold.

[bob_d]

Brave soul Paul Cooijmans likes to interview people who are thinking outside the box as far as a fix for humanity's problems

That's not out of the box, it's a "Mein Kampf" ripoff without Hitler and without let's talk frankly about killing all the jews and getting Lebensraum. They have the Führerprinzip, the Lebensraum ideology, pretty much the same race theorems the nazis had ("(...)I do not like the term Aryan used to mean "Caucasian," because that is inaccurate: the Aryans were the highest caste of the group we call Caucasians, and to call anyone with white skin Aryan is about as accurate as calling a chimpanzee a mouse or a gorilla a policeman. I even find the term Caucasian to be questionable, until we know with true accuracy the roots of these people.(...)") , Volksgemeinschaft and Volksverräter( look at the article about the snitch), the strive for abolition of capitalism, the social darwinism the nazis had, eugenics and disrespect for personal liberties and the life of individuals. Not even the environment idea is new. The nazis wanted to make the whole environment appropriate to the natural needs of the aryan Herrenmensch with forests, animals and agriculture. They created the Reichsnaturschutzgesetz. The only thing that makes the green nazis different from the real nazis is their liking of the concept of iq. The real nazis disliked it, because germans did worse on standardized intelligence tests than jews did and so the nazis forbade them and argued that they were jewish propaganda. Finally i don't understand why they want the "whites" to stay in america, if they want the races to only settle where they lived in the first place?

[AaronCW]

This made me feel a bit ill...I didn't get all the way through it.

One thing that was immediately apparent, and is frustrating even in mainstream politics, is the confusion between terminology that is definable and that which is not. Liberal/Conservative, for example, have multiple meanings between the US and Europe, and are for the most part damaging to any real dialog. Left/Right, on the other hand, can be defined as the full spectrum from total socialism to total capitalism (not fascism). Economic freedom (far-right) requires individual freedom; the ideas proposed by Mr. Smith, or even run-of-the-mill Republicans, are not 'Right-wing' by any stretch of the imagination. Socialism and fascism are not contradictory, and are certainly not opposites, which many people seem to think. I'm glad this article clears up that confusion!

This is, of course, a small point in discussing the ideas of a lunatic such as Craig Smith.

Also, I love how he links to a Nazi website for a research reference about organic farming! Very charming.

[akpitt27]

QUESTION: How large would you say the world population can be, while leaving intact enough of the natural environment?

ANSWER: Ideally, under a half-billion. Interestingly, this also corresponds to the number of people above 105 IQ points. That is the number of people who can have normal lives and live well without having any sizable impact on the environment. Knowing that, it makes sense as a species to limit ourselves to our half-billion best people, so that we get better and we do not destroy our world... the only idea that opposes us is the personal pretense that each individual, like ourselves, is immortal or should be immortal, and therefore that no other individual should be told not to breed or live a first-world lifestyle. However, if we plan reality on the 500-year level, as we should, it clearly makes sense to start limiting our population, and to do it by biological quality and not some arbitrary lottery that has geniuses not breeding while people of no specific ability do.

That guy's a nutjob. Under a half-billion people would be terrible. Anyone know if there's any truth to his statement about the IQs? Hard to believe that only roughly 7% of the population has an IQ of over 105.

[Live Forever]

Anyone know if there's any truth to his statement about the IQs?  Hard to believe that only roughly 7% of the population has an IQ of over 105.

I don't know what the exact statement was about IQs because I didn't read the thing, but saying only 7% of the population has an IQ over 105 shows a complete misunderstanding of what IQ is.

IQ is a measure of the average intelligence one has in comparison to other people. 100 is always the average. If you have an IQ of 100, you are always (on average) directly in the middle of everyone currently.

Not only that, it is always equalized so that it is forced into a bell curve shape.

Here is the distribution of IQs:



Note: that is always the distribution of IQs. Even if average intelligence rose by 10 IQ points, the new average wouldn't be 110, but still 100, because that is how it is designed. To claim otherwise means a misunderstanding of the system used.

For more info: http://en.wikipedia....igence_quotient

[akpitt27]

Good info there, thanks. His numbers are way low, and with just a quick search on Yahoo, I couldn't find any info supporting his claim. It seems that anyone with a basic knowledge of how the IQ system works could refute that claim.

[Live Forever]

Well, once again, I don't know what the claim being made is. If he is making the claim for a certain segment of the population, then he might be correct, but making the claim for the whole population means he doesn't understand what IQ is a measurement of. Maybe I will read the interview at some point in the next few days when I get a few minutes, but seeing as how he is a Nazi dude, I would assume he hasn't given the greatest intellectual consideration to the positions he holds.

[akpitt27]

The portion that I quoted has the part about the IQs in it. I quoted that section because I find his answer to that question pretty disturbing, and I think it sums up the direction that the LNSG wants to take. Like you said though, he's a Nazi dude.

[Live Forever]

The portion that I quoted has the part about the IQs in it.  I quoted that section because I find his answer to that question pretty disturbing, and I think it sums up the direction that organization wants to take, but like you said he's a Nazi dude.

Oh I wasn't even paying attention. Yeah, I see what you are talking about now. I don't know what the questioner is trying to get at by asking about the population "while leaving intact enough of the natural environment". It could be argued that any amount of humans on earth encroaches on "natural" environments. I would say genocide of more than 12/13ths of the population of earth would be a tad bit unethical as well, though.