Posted 25 August 2007 - 07:45 PM
"""Where do you find stuff like this?
[Provide a URL, if you haven't; call them up and help them navigate, if you have.]
It sounds like
[What "sounds like"? A citation might help. Be specific.]
they
[Are you referring to a specific person advocating a specific approach, or is this a global indictment designed to be vague?]
have more "theories"
[What are the quotes for? Are you implying that the theories (which, again, you don't reference specifically, so it's just hand waving) have less merit that others?]
than actual scientific evidence.
[The "actual" seems unnecessary as a qualifier, and care to take a stab at proving this negative? No? Ok, then critique a specific, otherwise it's just spin.]
I have a million theories
[Lol. I think not.]
of things that "could be"
[Again, why the quotes?]
but I have no scientific evidence to prove it.
[You weren't asked to supply any evidence, scientific or otherwise; de Grey has; critique it. If you can't critique it, then consider what your response is based on; lack of evidence, scientific, or otherwise.]
They also say in the Q&A section of things like overpopulation & such, and they just say we should worry about it when the time comes.
[This is the first valid concern you've raised. Congratulations. However, it *sounds* as if you've concerned about the process actually working. I'd not bother mounting an argument to avoiding SENS if you've assertion is that there's no evidence to support it. It seems less than efficient. ]
so... we are going to worry about using a product 30 years later.... I'd say worry about it now!
[Worry about what, now? You've asserted that there's nothing to worry about. See above.]
I mean, sure, MAYBE you can see yourself using such a product in the future, but can you see yourself funding a project for THIRTY FREAKIN YEARS, that might not even hit the market??
[What stocks do you own? If you invest in companies, the often make forward looking statements that don't leave investors with any payoff. Read the prospectus, invest according to your risk tolerance, etc. If you don't want to invest in SENS, that's a reasonable response, however, fund raising using forward looking statements is part of generating operating capital.]
They need money.
[Ah, so you've figured that out.]
It's a big, big, biiiiig idea that someone got,
[???]
and they reasoned out the possibilities,
[Sounds like you're suggesting that they might be on to something, counter to what you suggest earlier on.]
and used their own logic
[And thank heavens they chose not to use yours.]
to make it all sound professional-like,
[Well, if they used logic, as opposed to "logic", then perhaps it's plausibility isn't coincidental?]
but the information they have, the actual FACTUAL information that they have, is nothing new.
[So you agree it's actual, and factual, just not new. I think de Grey might agree. He's an advocate of taking action based upon a body of evidence that has, yes, been building for some time, in peer reviewed journals. You almost sound like you're talking yourself into it! [thumb] ]
It's a big way of convincing people like you to send them money for the next 30 years to fund some crazy idea they have.
[Ummmm, well, you just convinced me, quite eloquently that it's actual, and factual, and based upon information that's been around for some time. Why reverse that position and on what basis?]
Maybe I should make a website so that other people can pay for my crazy ideas,
[That would be counter to your best argument above. Base your ideas on actual, factual, information, and be prepared to have skeptics like yourself crop up like white on rice.]
while I sit and **** around with it for free...
[I think you're oversimplifying the accounting that just might be tied to these donations, and a certain level of transparency in what happens to the money, as well. Still, as noted above, no risk, no reward. ]
and if it doesn't work out, who cares?
[Well of course the people who donated money will care, but what in God's name is your point?]
not me, because i did it all for free."""
[I suspect a well crafted internet scam is not as easy to develop as you imply, but go ahead and give it a shot. Uh, but wouldn't it be funny if the people you dole out the capital to actually succeed despite your lack of good intentions? So, pick a worthwhile project, like improving on the lack of natural selection for the robust, aged, phenotype.]
