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[quarter]

I have noticed an increase in vitality since adding half a teaspoon twice a day. I seem to be recovering from training better and my airways appear to be clearer. Despite my current period of hard training (over-training can acutely lower the immune system), the onset of winter here in the north of Ireland, and most people I know coming down with a cold, I have remained in good health (touch wood) thus far. Admittedly these benefits are rather ambiguous and subjective.

I had previously been taking bio-strath which is a brewer's yeast type product and hadn't noticed these benefits.

Despite continued supplementation I now have a cold. :ang:

[senseix]

quarter how much have you been taking per day? That sucks, to have gotten a cold:( for me the benefits i noticed was better digestion and sleeping patterns.

[quarter]

quarter how much have you been taking per day? That sucks, to have gotten a cold:( for me the benefits i noticed was better digestion and sleeping patterns.

Yeah, as you say, it sucks (I think thats a funny phrase).

I was taking half to a full teaspoon with breakfast and evening dinner, I've upped this to a tablespoon in the hope it might help me get rid of the cold sooner.

I was particulary vunerable though because I had been training hard in cold and wet conditions, and I'm under a lot of stress at work at the moment.

[maxwatt]

quarter how much have you been taking per day? That sucks, to have gotten a cold:( for me the benefits i noticed was better digestion and sleeping patterns.

So far everything reported about this supplement is consistent with the placebo effect.

[senseix]

quarter how much have you been taking per day? That sucks, to have gotten a cold:( for me the benefits i noticed was better digestion and sleeping patterns.

So far everything reported about this supplement is consistent with the placebo effect.

You seem to know more about the placebo effects than i so i'll ask you this, was what browser reported to have happened to him since taking Diamond V XPC, consistent with the placebo effect?

[maxwatt]

quarter how much have you been taking per day? That sucks, to have gotten a cold:( for me the benefits i noticed was better digestion and sleeping patterns.

So far everything reported about this supplement is consistent with the placebo effect.

You seem to know more about the placebo effects than i so i'll ask you this, was what browser reported to have happened to him since taking Diamond V XPC, consistent with the placebo effect?

Only until he shows us before and after pictures. OR was it the RNA injections?

Edited by maxwatt, 05 December 2007 - 07:15 PM.

[Mind]

Yeah, browser does take a lot of different things apparently. Just wondering how he knows what supp is producing what effects.

As someone mentioned earlier in this thread...would be nice to see some in vivo studies. I am usually skeptical of anecdotal reports and "new" supps that claim to be cure-alls...can't help it.

[niner]

Yeah, browser does take a lot of different things apparently. Just wondering how he knows what supp is producing what effects.

As someone mentioned earlier in this thread...would be nice to see some in vivo studies. I am usually skeptical of anecdotal reports and "new" supps that claim to be cure-alls...can't help it.

The company that makes this did a bunch of in vivo work with their human product, EpiCor. It showed significant changes in immune parameters.

[senseix]

Yeah, browser does take a lot of different things apparently. Just wondering how he knows what supp is producing what effects.

As someone mentioned earlier in this thread...would be nice to see some in vivo studies. I am usually skeptical of anecdotal reports and "new" supps that claim to be cure-alls...can't help it.

Yeah i agree, i am also skeptical about new things because so many times i've been let down. I don't have alot of issues to solve thats my problem i guess LOL The thing for me i was just trying to up my immune so i could bypass major colds or flu, that was it. After suffering with insomnia for many years, and only being able to remember dreams on average of a few times per year, to having them almost nightly, the dreams started few days after starting this product.

Now the dreams have been positive ones, i wonder if i'm getting dreams so much now because of the backlog of all those years? Either way most of you guys are much more knowledgeable on these matters, i'm such a new guy on these matters that i almost hate to put any claims out, just this actually impressed me and after i shared, atleast one other person has noticed improved sleeping and dreaming so i don't feel alone:)

Edited by senseix, 06 December 2007 - 02:10 AM.

[missminni]

A poster with a beautiful bullmastiff named Sam, mentioned this on the
Resveratrol for Dogs thread and I came to check it out.
He gives it to his dog. So I did and it looks good, like a tonic, but thats it. I
don't really see it as an amazing substance, i.e Res. But I think it's a nice
healthy combination of things. Some veterinary products have great
ingredients. I used to give them Nupro, also great ingredients but VERY
expensive. I'm going to get it for my dogs. Can somebody please suggest
the best and most economical resource. Thanks

[tintinet]

A poster with a beautiful bullmastiff named Sam, mentioned this on the
Resveratrol for Dogs thread and I came to check it out.
He gives it to his dog. So I did and it looks good, like a tonic, but thats it. I
don't really see it as an amazing substance, i.e Res. But I think it's a nice
healthy combination of things. Some veterinary products have great
ingredients. I used to give them Nupro, also great ingredients but VERY
expensive. I'm going to get it for my dogs. Can somebody please suggest
the best and most economical resource. Thanks

Ebay!

[missminni]

A poster with a beautiful bullmastiff named Sam, mentioned this on the
Resveratrol for Dogs thread and I came to check it out.
He gives it to his dog. So I did and it looks good, like a tonic, but thats it. I
don't really see it as an amazing substance, i.e Res. But I think it's a nice
healthy combination of things. Some veterinary products have great
ingredients. I used to give them Nupro, also great ingredients but VERY
expensive. I'm going to get it for my dogs. Can somebody please suggest
the best and most economical resource. Thanks

Ebay!

on ebay its $5 to $7 per lb. thats expensive. IIRC browser paid $30 for a 50lb bab as did somebody else. That's what I need.
I have to huge adult size dogs.

ETA~ Forget about it. I just read the ingredients* and got grossed out. Sorry to the people who are into it. To each his own. But if I want immune support I would just as soon eat aloe, nice and pure the way it comes out of the earth, or take CoQ10. I don't get the fascination with this product.

*

Feed ingredient produced by fermenting selected liquid and cereal grain raw ingredients with bakers yeast (Saccharomyces cerevisiae) and drying the entire culture-media without destroying the yeast factors, B-vitamins and other fermentation products. Used in a wide variety of animal feeds including dairy, swine, beef, horse, poultry, aquaculture and petfoods. Product of the USA.

List of Ingredients:
Saccharomyces cerevisiae yeast and the media on which it was grown consisting of ground yellow corn, hominy feed, corn gluten feed, wheat middlings, rye middlings, diastatic malt and corn syrup, and cane molasses.
Guaranteed Analysis:

Edited by missminni, 06 December 2007 - 01:48 AM.

[niner]

List of Ingredients:
Saccharomyces cerevisiae yeast and the media on which it was grown consisting of ground yellow corn, hominy feed, corn gluten feed, wheat middlings, rye middlings, diastatic malt and corn syrup, and cane molasses.

What's not to like? (OK, I admit I have no idea what a "middling" is.)

[missminni]

List of Ingredients:
Saccharomyces cerevisiae yeast and the media on which it was grown consisting of ground yellow corn, hominy feed, corn gluten feed, wheat middlings, rye middlings, diastatic malt and corn syrup, and cane molasses.

What's not to like? (OK, I admit I have no idea what a "middling" is.)

LOL. It just sounds like stuff the rats left behind on the barn floor.
I don't know. and then they fermented it. eeek

[tintinet]

List of Ingredients:
Saccharomyces cerevisiae yeast and the media on which it was grown consisting of ground yellow corn, hominy feed, corn gluten feed, wheat middlings, rye middlings, diastatic malt and corn syrup, and cane molasses.

What's not to like? (OK, I admit I have no idea what a "middling" is.)

LOL. It just sounds like stuff the rats left behind on the barn floor.
I don't know. and then they fermented it. eeek

No way any rat with any significant appetite would leave any of that behind! :wink:

BTW, I'll bet it smells (like fresh bread dough) a hell of a lot better to most of us than raw aloe!

[nameless]

Studies have shown (I think) that brewer's yeast and beta glucans do have health benefits.

But the question remains, at least to me, why is the Diamond feed/Epicor any better than regular brewer's yeast? Does the manufacturer state why it's better and show it via impartial studies?

[senseix]

List of Ingredients:
Saccharomyces cerevisiae yeast and the media on which it was grown consisting of ground yellow corn, hominy feed, corn gluten feed, wheat middlings, rye middlings, diastatic malt and corn syrup, and cane molasses.

What's not to like? (OK, I admit I have no idea what a "middling" is.)

LOL. It just sounds like stuff the rats left behind on the barn floor.
I don't know. and then they fermented it. eeek

No way any rat with any significant appetite would leave any of that behind! :wink:

BTW, I'll bet it smells (like fresh bread dough) a hell of a lot better to most of us than raw aloe!

I would rather eat the Diamond V XPC raw than drink raw aloe thats for sure. I don't mind the taste yeah its not the flavors to die for but, when i mix it with juice or put it on lets say some chicken, or any meat, to me it tastes good.

Studies have shown (I think) that brewer's yeast and beta glucans do have health benefits.

But the question remains, at least to me, why is the Diamond feed/Epicor any better than regular brewer's yeast? Does the manufacturer state why it's better and show it via impartial studies?

I would have to say, that i was wondering that myself, great point to bring up:)

[missminni]

BTW, I'll bet it smells (like fresh bread dough) a hell of a lot better to most of us than raw aloe!

I would rather eat the Diamond V XPC raw than drink raw aloe thats for sure. I don't mind the taste yeah its not the flavors to die for but, when i mix it with juice or put it on lets say some chicken, or any meat, to me it tastes good.

okay you guys. But the aloe does a lot more than just prevent you from getting colds. And it can taste great
when prepared with fruit and yogurt, but that's okay. You can make fun of it.
If you saw how I look for my age you might reconsider, but that's okay. I'll not try and convince you. It's my edge. Happy munching...mooo

[wayside]

Why not just eat some Vegemite? Seems safer than buying powder from some faceless person on ebay, and it's cheaper than Epicor.

[senseix]

Why not just eat some Vegemite? Seems safer than buying powder from some faceless person on ebay, and it's cheaper than Epicor.

Other than your opinion, do you have proof that Purchasing Vegemite is safer than purchasing it from who i purchased it from? Also i looked at the prices, vs epicor it looks to be cheaper, but when you look at Diamond V XPC, its no where near as cheap. You did ask for reasons why one would not choose Vegemite vs this so felt obligated to give you the reasons i could think of HAHAHA:)

[wayside]

You did ask for reasons why one would not choose Vegemite vs this so felt obligated to give you the reasons i could think of HAHAHA:)

You left out taste.

Vegemite is made by Kraft, which is a huge manufacturer of food products, hundreds if not thousands of them. If they were poisoning people we would all hear about it, it would be huge news. Is this proof? Maybe not absolute. I bet they follow accepted standards of manufacturing, though.

But what do you know about the guy packaging up your powder? Are his containers clean and sterile? What about his utensils? His work area? Is he wearing clean clothing? How do you know he didn't sneeze on it or drop some on the floor? Does he even wash his hands first? You have no idea.

Call me crazy, but I would feel safer eating something from Kraft, than powder out of a baggie I got on ebay.

[senseix]

Not sure how the Vegemite tastes vs Diamond V XPC, so i couldn't include taste:) Good points you make, i really wasen't debating that, i think if we really wanted to tho, we could make good points back and forth. The thing is with how i view this delicate topic of which is safer, since we don't have proof from either side. Assuming one is safer because they have a popular name has proven to fail time and time again over history, so Vegemite being a Kraft product doesn't impress me much. This is only a guess, but if i was to do research i bet i can find something Kraft has sold over the many years, that were found to be very unhealthy and, i bet again just a guess like your guess that Vegemite is safer because of the company making it, that some of those products have caused death like maybe oreo cookies, can you imagine eating those daily or few times a week for lets say 60 years like so many people have and drinking Milk the way they pushed it in their commercials, what does something like Oreo's + Milk do to ones insides? I lost respect for Kraft after they pushed the consumption of Milk while airing those Oreo ad's. IMHO Milk is alot more dangerous to consume than just about anything you can get at the store.

So do i feel safer buying from a large company than from some stranger, not really, i don't feel 100% safe either way.

Edited by senseix, 07 December 2007 - 09:16 PM.

[wayside]

Assuming one is safer because they have a popular name has proven to fail time and time again over history, so Vegemite being a Kraft product doesn't impress me much.

By "safer" I meant, more likely to be free of contaminants and other substances that are not supposed to be part of the product. I wasn't really referring to how healthy (or not) the products are.

Oreos, to use your example, are probably not too healthy for you, but I would feel very confident they are free from bacterial or mold contamination, or heavy metals or other junk which is not supposed to be in there.

Your guy on ebay, if he is honest and uses common sense, is most likely providing you non-contaminated product.

In the immortal words of Dirty Harry: "You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya?"

[senseix]

I really wasen't trying to lock you in saying you meant that Kraft was safer because of the healthyness of their products. I brought that up as a point i make to myself, and so i made it to you, that to me, i see kraft as a company like so many other large companies that sell goods that to me are more worried about profits than safety.

http://foodconsumer....chocolate.shtml
http://www.fda.gov/o...xpand04_05.html

I am sure i could find many more with recalls from Kraft over the years, i still can't find one issue with that ebay guy tho, so i'm suppose to feel safer? When i put something in my body, unless i am able to test everything and i'm not, i feel i'm taking a chance, but thats a chance i'm willing to take obviously hehe, so "I Do feel lucky:)" Either way i really only wanted to respond to your initial question of why not eat some Vegemite, you know some of the reasons why i haven't over this product.

[luv2increase]

I took 1tsp (4g) three times today. I noticed after the first time, I felt a little nauseous. After the second gram, I felt more nauseous. After the third dose, I feel fine. I'm guessing that the yeast or whatever may have seemed a little foreign to my system because I had a very niacin-like flush after the second dose and a minor one after my last dose. I will continue at this dose to act somewhat like a loading phase for about a week, then I will lower to 1/4tsp or 1/2tsp three times a day. I will update my experiences here.

Also, I got the organic version. I received 5 lbs. of it today from my order off ebay. I think it tastes good. It is brown in color and at a consistency to be just mixed in water and drank. This is contrary to some of the users reporting that it tastes bad.

[senseix]

Also, I got the organic version. I received 5 lbs. of it today from my order off ebay. I think it tastes good. It is brown in color and at a consistency to be just mixed in water and drank. This is contrary to some of the users reporting that it tastes bad.

I also purchased the 5lb organic, mine came in a plastic container too. I think the taste is ok, specially if i put it on chicken, tho i don't cook with it, i just place it on after the chicken is finished. Normally i mix it with either water or a green drink i make up in the morning.

[adamh]

Yeah i agree, i am also skeptical about new things because so many times i've been let down. I don't have alot of issues to solve thats my problem i guess LOL The thing for me i was just trying to up my immune so i could bypass major colds or flu, that was it. After suffering with insomnia for many years, and only being able to remember dreams on average of a few times per year, to having them almost nightly, the dreams started few days after starting this product.

Now the dreams have been positive ones, i wonder if i'm getting dreams so much now because of the backlog of all those years? Either way most of you guys are much more knowledgeable on these matters, i'm such a new guy on these matters that i almost hate to put any claims out, just this actually impressed me and after i shared, atleast one other person has noticed improved sleeping and dreaming so i don't feel alone:)

Did the product help your insomnia at the same time? How would you rate the quality of your sleep after using it?

[rabagley]

You did ask for reasons why one would not choose Vegemite vs this so felt obligated to give you the reasons i could think of HAHAHA:)

You left out taste.

Vegemite is made by Kraft, which is a huge manufacturer of food products, hundreds if not thousands of them. If they were poisoning people we would all hear about it, it would be huge news. Is this proof? Maybe not absolute. I bet they follow accepted standards of manufacturing, though.

But what do you know about the guy packaging up your powder? Are his containers clean and sterile? What about his utensils? His work area? Is he wearing clean clothing? How do you know he didn't sneeze on it or drop some on the floor? Does he even wash his hands first? You have no idea.

Call me crazy, but I would feel safer eating something from Kraft, than powder out of a baggie I got on ebay.

Vegemite is made from beer tailings. Epicor is made is a very different environment with a lot more grain and a lot less water. Probably evolved into quite a different strain of yeast, creating a very different mix of metabolites. I'd want to see the studies showing the same immune-boosting effects before I assumed that Vegemite and Epicor had any similarity.

That and Vegemite is some amazingly nasty tasting stuff. I've got family in Australia and they tried to serve it to me on multiple occasions. Never could stomach it. Diamond V XPC isn't great tasting, but it's not as bad as Vegemite.

Finally, you have quite a bit of trust in big food companies. Gemeral Mills, Cargill and ADM have spent a lot of money making sure that breakfast cereal (and everything else grain-based) is marked "heart healthy" by the American Heart Association when processed grains are the perfect recipe for high triglycerides, high blood sugar, high insulin, atherosclerosis, and an nearly guaranteed heart attack (the very opposite of heart healthy). Or that those same companies wouldn't manipulate the American Diabetic Association to never recommend low carb diets (despite the fact that diabetes is a failure of carb metabolism). Those three companies are the biggest contributors to both the AHA and the ADA.

You'll have to pardon me when I say I'm a little skeptical about the good intentions of big agribusiness. Not that Vegemite is bad for you (I suspect it's great for you), but you seem to assume that they wouldn't cover up an embarrassing event to protect their business. I think that assumption is mistaken.

[senseix]

You did ask for reasons why one would not choose Vegemite vs this so felt obligated to give you the reasons i could think of HAHAHA:)

You left out taste.

Vegemite is made by Kraft, which is a huge manufacturer of food products, hundreds if not thousands of them. If they were poisoning people we would all hear about it, it would be huge news. Is this proof? Maybe not absolute. I bet they follow accepted standards of manufacturing, though.

But what do you know about the guy packaging up your powder? Are his containers clean and sterile? What about his utensils? His work area? Is he wearing clean clothing? How do you know he didn't sneeze on it or drop some on the floor? Does he even wash his hands first? You have no idea.

Call me crazy, but I would feel safer eating something from Kraft, than powder out of a baggie I got on ebay.

Vegemite is made from beer tailings. Epicor is made is a very different environment with a lot more grain and a lot less water. Probably evolved into quite a different strain of yeast, creating a very different mix of metabolites. I'd want to see the studies showing the same immune-boosting effects before I assumed that Vegemite and Epicor had any similarity.

That and Vegemite is some amazingly nasty tasting stuff. I've got family in Australia and they tried to serve it to me on multiple occasions. Never could stomach it. Diamond V XPC isn't great tasting, but it's not as bad as Vegemite.

Finally, you have quite a bit of trust in big food companies. Gemeral Mills, Cargill and ADM have spent a lot of money making sure that breakfast cereal (and everything else grain-based) is marked "heart healthy" by the American Heart Association when processed grains are the perfect recipe for high triglycerides, high blood sugar, high insulin, atherosclerosis, and an nearly guaranteed heart attack (the very opposite of heart healthy). Or that those same companies wouldn't manipulate the American Diabetic Association to never recommend low carb diets (despite the fact that diabetes is a failure of carb metabolism). Those three companies are the biggest contributors to both the AHA and the ADA.

You'll have to pardon me when I say I'm a little skeptical about the good intentions of big agribusiness. Not that Vegemite is bad for you (I suspect it's great for you), but you seem to assume that they wouldn't cover up an embarrassing event to protect their business. I think that assumption is mistaken.

adamh, it has helped my insomnia greatly, still to this day, i won't hold my breath tho because i've suffered with insomnia for so long that, to think i have found something that is going to help longterm, would shock me concidering i've tried other methods medical and natural. So far except for Epicor, all have failed, but then again i would like to have 6 months or longer to be able to say its my longterm fix. I can tell you that i love to sleep now, before it was such an issue, so its nice to be back in the real world on that level hehe..

rabagley, just want to say that you make some excellent points, i couldn't of said it better, those are some of the feelings i have and can relate to them on a personal level.

[tintinet]

Just another anecdotal testimony to vivid dreams and enhanced sleep after taking Diamond VPC (organic)- about 2 tbsp/day.