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Neurotoxicity of DXM


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#1 spacey

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Posted 10 October 2007 - 05:48 PM


I'm wondering exactly how neurotoxic is non-frequent(not more than once a month) DXM use?

I remember that I read that DXM does not induce Olney's Lesion in rats, and I also found this

MK-801 and dextromethorphan block microglial activation and protect against methamphetamine-induced neurotoxicity

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Methamphetamine causes long-term toxicity to dopamine nerve endings of the striatum. Evidence is emerging that microglia can contribute to the neuronal damage associated with disease, injury, or inflammation, but their role in methamphetamine-induced neurotoxicity has received relatively little attention. Lipopolysaccharide (LPS) and the neurotoxic HIV Tat protein, which cause dopamine neuronal toxicity after direct infusion into brain, cause activation of cultured mouse microglial cells as evidenced by increased expression of intracellular cyclooxygenase-2 and elevated secretion of tumor necrosis factor-α. MK-801, a non-competitive NMDA receptor antagonist that is known to protect against methamphetamine neurotoxicity, prevents microglial activation by LPS and HIV Tat. Dextromethorphan, an antitussive agent with NMDA receptor blocking properties, also prevents microglial activation. In vivo, MK-801 and dextromethorphan reduce methamphetamine-induced activation of microglia in striatum and they protect dopamine nerve endings against drug-induced nerve terminal damage. The present results indicate that the ability of MK-801 and dextromethorphan to protect against methamphetamine neurotoxicity is related to their common property as blockers of microglial activation.


And this..

Dextromethorphan Protects Dopaminergic Neurons against Inflammation-Mediated Degeneration through Inhibition of Microglial Activation.
ABSTRACT
Inflammation in the brain has increasingly been recognized to play an important role in the pathogenesis of several neurodegenerative disorders, including Parkinson’s disease and Alzheimer’s disease. Inflammation-mediated neurodegeneration involves activation of the brain’s resident immune cells, the microglia, which produce proinflammatory and neurotoxic factors, including cytokines, reactive oxygen intermediates, nitric oxide, and eicosanoids that impact on neurons to induce neurodegeneration.
Hence, identification of compounds that prevent microglial activation may be highly desirable in the search for therapeutic agents for inflammation-mediated neurodegenerative diseases. In this study, we report that dextromethorphan (DM), an ingredient widely used in antitussive remedies, reduced the inflammation-mediated degeneration of dopaminergic neurons through inhibition of microglial activation. Pretreatment (30 min) of rat mesencephalic neuron-glia cultures
with DM (1–10 M) reduced, in a dose-dependent manner, the microglia-mediated degeneration of dopaminergic neurons induced
by lipopolysaccharide (LPS, 10 ng/ml). Significant neuroprotection by DM was also evident when DM was applied to cultures up to 60 min after the addition of LPS. The neuroprotective effect of DM was attributed to inhibition of LPS-stimulated
microglial activation because DM significantly inhibited the LPS-induced production of tumor necrosis factor-, nitric  oxide, and superoxide free radicals. This conclusion was further supported by the finding that DM failed to prevent 1-methyl-4- phenylpyridinium- or -amyloid peptide (1–42)-induced dopaminergic neurotoxicity in neuron-enriched cultures. In addition, because LPS did not produce any significant increase in the release of excitatory amino acids from neuron-glia cultures and N-methyl-D-aspartate antagonist dizocilpine maleate failed to afford significant neuroprotection, it is unlikely that the neuroprotective effect of DM is mediated through N-methyl-D-aspartate receptors. These results suggest that DM may be a promising therapeutic agent for the treatment of Parkinson’s disease.


Edited by spacey, 10 October 2007 - 08:30 PM.


#2 m314

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Posted 11 October 2007 - 04:37 AM

I don't have scientific evidence, but in my own personal experience DXM is the most "damaging" recreational drug I've used. I had somewhere around 30 high dose trips (third or fourth plateau, between 900 and 1200 mg) over the course of a couple years, using no other drugs at the time. This was around 11 or 12 years ago. Over this time period, I seemingly lost a large portion of my verbal and vocabulary skills. Both in conversation and in writing. My social skills suffered too, although I didn't really care at the time since it's not exactly a social drug. The best experiences were always alone, in bed, listening to music. Certain albums (Bloody Kisses and October Rust from Type O Negative) still bring me back to those strange, unique, special worlds I explored with DXM. Strange worlds that existed only in my mind.

It took a few years to fully recover, I think. I tried it again (just once) about 5 years ago, and that one experience significantly impaired my writing skills and conversational skills for months afterwards. I won't touch it again. To me, it's not worth it. I also found better and more positive ways to explore the inner workings of my mind and the world around me. Traditional psychedelics like LSD, psilocybin, and mescaline changed my life in an overwhelmingly positive way.

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#3 superpooper

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Posted 11 October 2007 - 07:23 AM

  Traditional psychedelics like LSD, psilocybin, and mescaline changed my life in an overwhelmingly positive way.


I agree on this and I've never really noticed any cognitive impairment from psychedelic use.

#4 purerealm

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Posted 11 October 2007 - 09:29 AM

how bout emotional impairment

#5 ajnast4r

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Posted 11 October 2007 - 02:09 PM

I don't have scientific evidence, but in my own personal experience DXM is the most "damaging" recreational drug I've used. 


i can attest to this as well. although i would consider MDMA just as damaging as DXM, just that DXM has none of the long term positive effects of MDMA.

DXM abuse left me slurring my speach for YEARS, and i believe it destroyed the chronological functions of my memory.

#6 superpooper

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Posted 13 October 2007 - 01:51 AM

how bout emotional impairment


They can cause you to become disconnected from your personality for short time frames (depersonalization).

Edited by superpooper, 13 October 2007 - 02:50 AM.


#7 graatch

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Posted 17 October 2007 - 06:43 AM

Another opinion. I've probably taken DXM hundreds of times (I had a few fairly abusive periods), and I note no long-term damage. There's definitely a long cognitive impairment, but it wore off after some time. My inattentive ADD is just as bad as before I started taking it. My memory and fine-grained cognitive abilities are far better -- I associate this not with drug use in the slightest, but the fact that I actually started using these functions.

In the long run cannabis, and the PTSD-like aftermath of a particularly bad LSD experience (I had an asthma attack) caused me a hell of a lot more functional cognitive impairment than DXM ever did.

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#8 graatch

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Posted 17 October 2007 - 06:45 AM

There's evidence that anticholinergic activity, which DXM has by itself, can protect against the neurotoxicity associated with the rebound from NMDA antagonism. That's nice to know, since after the first few times I usually popped a benadryl or two to help with nausea. That'll potentiate serotonin activity, though ...

It's intelligent to take your temperature while you're doing this drug, and if you're overheated ... take lower doses in the future. Hyperthermia is incredibly neurotoxic.




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