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[missminni]

You look so young, I wonder, do doctors ever mention it to you? At my age it is always mentioned. My dad too.

They're surprised at my previous blood results yes but never commented that I looked young.
what surprised them?
Everyone else does though, I don't think there was a single day at college for a few weeks where I didn't have people being shocked that I still looked like a kid in college and was 22 at the time lol.

Do other members of your family look so young?

I'd be lying if I said they didn't. All my father side of the family looks 10-15 years younger than their age. My sister gets mistaken for being around 16 but shes 22 now (23 in october). My father never gets sick, he laughs at the fact that he has similar health biomarkers at me but doesn't even try to CR. He did eat very healthy and was stick thin in his 20's and 30's and thats when he literally stopped looking like he was aging. He lived on veggies, fruits, nuts. He eats a lot of fruits and veggies now but also eats junk food too. Still it doesn't seem to make any difference in his health biomarkers.
This is true in my dad's case too.
I've actually tried to increase my muscle mass several times and each time was a failure even with lots of protein powders and stufff, my body just doesn't like to build additional muscle lol. Maybe when I tried when I was younge I wasn't taking in enough calories, but I can't say for certain.
I think you're supposed to carb up to build bulk. At least that's what body builders I knew did. Macaroni and cheese.
As for my height, I actually like my height...
5'7" is a nice height, and you look great.

[Brafarality]

Forget elixxir just wait until I reach 50 lol

That's more like it!

[Matt]

Paul... None of my friends believe your age lol. They say you're just some guy in his 20's messing around hahaha

[Matt]

Has anyone else noticed that younger people seem to be growing up faster now? I was walking past my old high school and it was the time when they all come out of school. Most of the older ones (15-16) were taller than me, but interestingly is that they look quite old for their age! I could have easily blended in lol. Seems they're getting fatter, taller, and older looking. Even my old high school buddies are now getting receding hairlines, deepw wrinkles in their foreheads and stuff... surely it must be the lifestyle of excessive drinking, late nights, smoking, poor nutrition and sun exposure. But in the UK we don't get that strong sun anyay, so... what you think?


Heres a picture I took on the day I turned 24 lol.
http://www.facebook....mp;id=635673153


So where are all the other young looking life extensionists!? If there is any place where youthfuless is plentiful, surely it has to be here at imminst?

Edited by Matt, 09 November 2008 - 03:54 AM.

[VictorBjoerk]

does young looking equal young body?

[Forever21]

Has anyone else noticed that younger people seem to be growing up faster now? I was walking past my old high school and it was the time when they all come out of school. Most of the older ones (15-16) were taller than me, but interestingly is that they look quite old for their age! I could have easily blended in lol. Seems they're getting fatter, taller, and older looking. Even my old high school buddies are now getting receding hairlines, deepw wrinkles in their foreheads and stuff... surely it must be the lifestyle of excessive drinking, late nights, smoking, poor nutrition and sun exposure. But in the UK we don't get that strong sun anyay, so... what you think?


Heres a picture I took on the day I turned 24 lol.
http://www.facebook....mp;id=635673153


So where are all the other young looking life extensionists!? If there is any place where youthfuless is plentiful, surely it has to be here at imminst?

http://www.cnn.com/v...ref=videosearch

[Matt]

Forever21. Thank you for the link! So it is really true that kids are growing up faster now. I imagine this will result in earlier signs of aging, disease and possibly death.

does young looking equal young body?

You know the answer Not always, but looking younger is a very common characteristic of animals ageing (not being exposed to UV rays) being slowed down by things like CR or genetic manipulations. Even those that become centenarians look younger than their chronological age suggests, at all stages of their life. Do you not agree?

Edited by Matt, 10 November 2008 - 05:42 PM.

[Forever21]

100 Ways To Look Younger

http://www.preventio...100waysyounger/

[Brafarality]

Forever21. Thank you for the link! So it is really true that kids are growing up faster now. I imagine this will result in earlier signs of aging, disease and possibly death.

does young looking equal young body?

You know the answer Not always, but looking younger is a very common characteristic of animals ageing (not being exposed to UV rays) being slowed down by things like CR or genetic manipulations. Even those that become centenarians look younger than their chronological age suggests, at all stages of their life. Do you not agree?

When I get my male grooming and skin care empire off the ground, you will, without a doubt, be a brand ambassador!
You're a bit young at the moment, but it is unlikely that you will show any visible signs of age for many years to come.

And, if Eva Victoria launches a male-oriented version of her line (hers is 1000x closer to launch than my own, which, due to my worthless ADHD self, is pretty much stuck at the drunken swear phase! hmmm...maybe Ill kick it in gear when I hit 50!), or if she wants to market to a younger audience, she should consider asking you to be a spokesmodel.

I get a sense she is going more for clinical trials than clever marketing, but I think she definitely has something good about to happen.

Good luck Eva!

[Lilly]

I use Obagi Nu-Derm (Clear, Exfoderm, Blender and Retin-A), Vitamin C serum and a sunscreen with a high SPF every day.
All my lines and wrinkles, agespots (along with all the acne spots) are erased. I look 15 younger than before Obagi.
I also have Botox on my forehead every 3 months.
It seems to work miracles!

[Heliotrope]

Has anyone else noticed that younger people seem to be growing up faster now? I was walking past my old high school and it was the time when they all come out of school. Most of the older ones (15-16) were taller than me, but interestingly is that they look quite old for their age! I could have easily blended in lol. Seems they're getting fatter, taller, and older looking. Even my old high school buddies are now getting receding hairlines, deepw wrinkles in their foreheads and stuff... surely it must be the lifestyle of excessive drinking, late nights, smoking, poor nutrition and sun exposure. But in the UK we don't get that strong sun anyay, so... what you think?


Heres a picture I took on the day I turned 24 lol.
http://www.facebook....mp;id=635673153


So where are all the other young looking life extensionists!? If there is any place where youthfuless is plentiful, surely it has to be here at imminst?

i think it's the chemicals in some drinks, processed food, the growth-stimulating effects, also industrialized nations' youth reach puberty much faster, boys and girls' hormones kick in and start working ~11 or 12, and in poor countries, may take much longer, but then again those countries' chidren wouldn't have much healthcare and may do manual labor. stimulants that act like hormones in cheap plastic water bottles. or just observation bias. could be many things

[missminni]

i think it's the chemicals in some drinks, processed food, the growth-stimulating effects, also industrialized nations' youth reach puberty much faster, boys and girls' hormones kick in and start working ~11 or 12, and in poor countries, may take much longer, but then again those countries' chidren wouldn't have much healthcare and may do manual labor. stimulants that act like hormones in cheap plastic water bottles. or just observation bias. could be many things

Could be all the hormones in the meat they eat...especially fast food. Fast food is aging them and making them fat too.
Matt looks exceptionally young, but I've noticed the same thing. Young kids look much older now.
It's funny because older folks are looking much younger.

[Matt]

Paul, I showed my friend your picture. I said how old do you think this guy is. He said 20.... another said 24. This picture I showed him.

http://approaching40...6/30/paul_6.jpg

[Forever21]

So Paul started when he was 19. Vegetarian/Veganism definitely helped slow down his aging. Hence the early 20s look. Pretty hard to beat. I've aged enough 'thanks' to meat, dairies, eggs, junk food, sugar and flour. I just started with anti-aging at 26. I can only hope to keep the late 20s look.

Edited by Forever21, 17 November 2008 - 03:29 AM.

[JLL]

Why do you think eating meat ages you more than vegetarianism?

[VictorBjoerk]

Meat doesn't cause aging but eating a lot of healthy vegetables like health-conscious vegetarians do promotes a healthy appearance and may slow down some aspects of aging if the free radical theory matter..

[Ben]

Meat doesn't cause aging but eating a lot of healthy vegetables like health-conscious vegetarians do promotes a healthy appearance and may slow down some aspects of aging if the free radical theory matter..

Lot's of AGEs in cooked meat, however, vegetarians usually eat a lot of carbohydrates.

I think the right way to go, in terms of diet, is calorie restriction.

[Forever21]

Why do you think eating meat ages you more than vegetarianism?

advanced glycation end products (AGEs)
http://www.lef.org/m...03_awsi_01.html

the china study: animal protein
http://en.wikipedia....The_China_Study

saturated fat
http://en.wikipedia....i/Saturated_fat

meat & cancer
http://en.wikipedia....Red_meat#Cancer

meat & heart disease
http://en.wikipedia....scular_diseases

diet world's longevity all-stars share.
http://quest.bluezon...-longer-better/


vegetarianism has issues too. (eggs, dairy, grains)

Edited by Forever21, 18 November 2008 - 05:12 AM.

[JLL]

I think the protein / saturated fat issue has been addressed so many times it's pointless for me to do it again... but whatever, if vegetarianism makes you feel good, go for it.

[Forever21]

Forever21. Thank you for the link! So it is really true that kids are growing up faster now. I imagine this will result in earlier signs of aging, disease and possibly death.

on Japanese kids

Edited by Forever21, 22 November 2008 - 08:41 AM.

[Matt]

Maybe it has something to do with the increased calorie intake and other factors like smoking, drinking etc... I definitely hink calorie intake probably has a big factor in it.

Edited by Matt, 23 November 2008 - 01:02 AM.

[Brafarality]

Paul, I showed my friend your picture. I said how old do you think this guy is. He said 20.... another said 24. This picture I showed him.

http://approaching40...6/30/paul_6.jpg

Whew. Haven't looked at that pic in a while.
What a mutt I look like in it!

I have to work on getting some flattering pics.

[tintinet]

Food for thought, veges?



1: Physiol Res. 2002;51(3):313-6.Click here to read Links
Advanced glycation end products and nutrition.
Krajcovicová-Kudlácková M, Sebeková K, Schinzel R, Klvanová J.

Institute of Preventive and Clinical Medicine, Bratislava, Slovak Republic.

Advanced glycation end products (AGEs) may play an important adverse role in process of atherosclerosis, diabetes, aging and chronic renal failure. Levels of N(epsilon)-carboxymethyllysine and fluorescent AGE values were estimated in two nutritional population groups--alternative group (vegetarians--plant food, milk products, eggs) and traditional group (omnivorous subjects). Vegetarians have a significantly higher carboxymethyllysine content in plasma and fluorescent AGE values. Intake of proteins, lysine and monosaccharides as well as culinary treatment, consumption of food AGEs (mainly from technologically processed products) and the routes of Maillard reaction in organism are the substantial sources of plasma AGEs. Vegetarians consume less proteins and saccharides. Lysine intake is significantly reduced (low content in plant proteins). Subjects on alternative nutrition do not use high temperature for culinary treatment and consume low amount of technologically processed food. Fructation induced AGE fluorescence is greater as compared with that induced by glucose. It is due to higher participation of a more reactive acyclic form of fructose. Intake of vegetables and fruit with predominance of fructose is significantly higher in vegetarians. Comparison of nutrition and plasma AGEs in vegetarian and omnivorous groups shows that the higher intake of fructose in alternative nutrition of healthy subjects may cause an increase of AGE levels.

PMID: 12234125 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

[kismet]

Maybe we're not rats after all. I've recently read a study concluding that neither glucose, fructose or sucrose are any different when it comes to aging rats (Male Fischer 344 ) and bodily AGE-formation and content [1]. They concluded that only caloric intake had an influence on glycation. I also assumed that only actual exogenous AGEs (from heated foods) and endogenous AGEs (from intrinsic aging?) play a key role.

They meassured glucose, fructosamine, glycated hemoglobin and collagen concentrations of pentosidine (a marker of glycation). Neither was affected. Wrong markers? Why else the disparity? Yeah, maybe we're not rats...

When reading the full study (request paper per PM if needed) tintinet posted, I noticed they even mention the same study as I did [1] as counter argument for the fructose hypothesis.
They mention other possible explanations as well: postprandial glomerular hyperfiltration due to the omnivore's higher protein intake filters the AGEs (*), low BMI in vegetarians thus lower GFR which results in more AGEs.
Something I don't get is "Consumption of the technologically processed grains by vegetarians exceeded that of omnivores by a factor of 3–6, and that of cooked and baked whole grain products was 2 to 4 times higher... Since these products contain a relatively high amount of CML, they may potentially account for the observed mild rise in CML levels in the investigated groups of vegetarians."
The only issue is, in fact they do not contain more CML AGEs as per [2], at least bread doesn't, but broiled tofu, almonds and cheese are quite rich in CML-like AGEs. Other nuts, cereals and oils when subjected to high temperatures should be similar or worse.

So I think it's simply a case of poor food-choice, we just need to study the tables in [2]. Still the fructose may have something to do with it, or it can be unhealthy in other ways.

(*)  once again the high-protein diets seem to be superior to low protein, as predicted by MR?
[1] Lingelbach LB, Mitchell AE, Rucker RB,
McDonald RB (2000) Accumulation of advanced glycation endproducts in aging male Fischer 344 rats during longterm feeding of various dietary carbohydrates. J Nutr 130: 1247–1255
[2] Goldberg et al.
Advanced glycoxidation end products in commonly consumed foods.
J Am Diet Assoc. 2004 Aug;104(8):1287-91. Division of Experimental Diabetes and Aging, Department of Geriatrics, Mount Sinai School of Medicine, New York, NY 10029, USA.

EDIT:
Oops considering we're in the skin health section this is quite off-topic. Maybe we shouldn't discuss those issues in this thread as they are not related to skin aging per se.

Edited by kismet, 27 November 2008 - 06:57 PM.

[Ben]

EDIT:
Oops considering we're in the skin health section this is quite off-topic. Maybe we shouldn't discuss those issues in this thread as they are not related to skin aging per se.

Glycation is very relevant to skin aging, and therefore the skin health forum, even if you are not directly discussing it in connection with skin aging specifically.

Oh and I was happy to see that the research you posted agreed with what I wrote above on vegetarianism and glycation.

Edited by Ben - Aus, 29 November 2008 - 02:02 AM.

[Matt]

One thing that probably makes someone look oldder is the change form type III to type I collagen in the skin. This is probably what really stands out when you see someone looking much younger than their actual age. My skin is still probably mostly the Type III collagen as it's much like skin texture of a child still, rather than an adult which tends to look more rough and have a different texture to it.

http://www.smartskin...y_collagen.html

Edited by Matt, 30 November 2008 - 10:12 PM.

[marqueemoon]

One thing I notice is that younger people tend to have more fat around their mouths. This is one of the first places the face loses fat.

[missminni]

One thing I notice is that younger people tend to have more fat around their mouths. This is one of the first places the face loses fat.

There and the around the eyes too.

[VictorBjoerk]

One thing I notice is that younger people tend to have more fat around their mouths. This is one of the first places the face loses fat.

There and the around the eyes too.

And the hands of course, older hands are often bony and wrinkly due to lack of subcutaneous fat.

[Fredrik]

And older people tend to have more fat around their midsection. There´s a redistribution of fat with advancing age, I don´t think they know what happens to adipocytes in the face. Apoptosis maybe? Like muscle cells.

There´s a saying that as a woman gets older she has to choose between having a nice butt or a beautiful face. Too skinny means a gaunt older looking face. Though with all the new facial fillers women don´t have to choose, they can have both a tight bum and a full face (injected with hyaluronic acid and fat). Like Madonna, Demi Moore and Nicole Kidman.

Edited by Fredrik, 01 December 2008 - 07:06 PM.