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[Forever21]

LOL, that last photo, you look like 11.

[JLL]

11, no way, That's an x-ray picture taken when he was still in his mother's uterus.

[.fonclea.]

Matt you look extremly young, true. Maybe it's also due to the thinness/fineness of your face plus you have very light blond hair and in many contry, just children have such a light colour.

[Ben]

11, no way, That's an x-ray picture taken when he was still in his mother's uterus.

Bull! All I see is a zygote with blond hair.

[Brafarality]

As i've said before, I still find it difficult to capture how young I look, it's because the camera doesn't seem to like me much lol. I more often look younger in video than i do in photo, but look younger in real life than the 'majority' of pictures. I've noticed the same thing from friends photos where they tend to show their age more in photos than in real life. But some really do look older in photos for some reason, but young in real life. Some people are stunning in real life but you can't capture it on camera. A picture doesn't always show a fair representation of the person from what i've seen. There are some weeks where I think I'm looking older, but then a few days or weeks later I look young again. So what I've learned is that you can put a few years on you in a very short amount of time just by eating the wrong things, not sleeping properly and being under a lot of stress.

Thank goodness for Ben-Aus, JLL, fonclea and Forever21, Matt. They are honest.

Please stop giving into the spiteful harpies on this site looking to peck away at you:
You look extremely youthful...in pictures, in video, and, Im sure, in person as well, sick, healthy, or whenever.
You are and will be a CRON marvel.

That's all there is to it.

Happy new year!

[marqueemoon]

Please stop giving into the spiteful harpies on this site looking to peck away at you:


Happy new year!

Gee, thanks...

[Matt]

Funny lol. Thanks though for opinions

I found something out yesterday.... When my sisters boyfriend met me a few months back he thought I was my sisters little brother and only about 16 (my sister is 22). And 4 of my sisters friends all thought I was 16 when they seen on christmas day. The conversation about age came up because we were talking about birthdays with my niece and nephew, and they're only 7-8 but they wouldn't believe me that I was older than my sister LOL.

Edited by Matt, 05 January 2009 - 11:52 AM.

[GoodFellas]

Interesting thread:). I'm 21 and people think I'm around 25 all the time. I've got a couple of wrinkles in my face too, I think that's because of a lot of food. Anyway, any supplement or something else I should use?

Supplements I'm using so far:
Reservatrol
Lysine
CoQ10
Omega 3
MultiVitamin
Magnesium
+Some bodybuilding supplements

Edited by GoodFellas, 25 March 2009 - 07:34 PM.

[numbered]

multi vit.huge amounts of coq10 and carnosine. 6500iu of vit D.Retin-a .eating raw. doing these for years

edit: removed dubious attachment

Edited by niner, 26 November 2009 - 03:31 AM.

[Forever21]

satin pillow sheets. better for facial skin.
sip, dont use straws. prevents lines around the lip area.



source: msn article. forgot the link. maybe later

[Matt]

I just ordered this Skin Ceuticals C E Ferulic 15ml. Hope it works well because I want to try and help my skin look less blemished with red marks (from previous acne).

[tintinet]

I've used it intermittently. I haven't noticed any dramatic effects from using it.

[TheFountain]

I just ordered this Skin Ceuticals C E Ferulic 15ml. Hope it works well because I want to try and help my skin look less blemished with red marks (from previous acne).

For the money I honestly think topical niacinamide is a better product. It significantly reduces irritation and inflammation as well as hyperpigmented spots.

[Matt]

i don't have any active inflammation or irritation, just a some mild post inflammatory red marks. Well I'll report if there are any results, i probably star using it tomorrow

[rollo]

1.Think and feel young <-- most important
2.Lift weights/strength training <-- extremely important IMO, equally good for the body AND mind
3.Try and get all my nutrients from food/supplements
4.RetinA/sunscreen for the face

---

Matt you look about 20. Stop caring so much about what people think and about looking like a child, there's nothing special about that. You are halting your development not only as a man but as a person. I've read your page/posts about the pros/cons of CR based on how it's effecting you, if you were right in the head, you would stop CR immediately; you've been sold an illusion that is obviously not delivering what you really want, stop deluding yourself.

And who ever that sad sad person is that doesn't smile because it could cause wrinkles, you are a sad sad person, please seek professional help immediately.

Edited by rollo, 13 December 2009 - 09:06 PM.

[Matt]

Haha, no... I'll do what I want thanks. I don't look 20 xD You've also never met me, so how can you possibly know! Just the other day someone thought I was 16... but you know, I get this every week. So whatever :-) What is the illusion? What are you talking about! o.O

1.Think and feel young <-- most important - YES, but it doesn't make you look young. I act, think, feel, sound and look young
2.Lift weights/strength training - Yup, I just gained 15 lbs of muscle Well maybe a little fat too, but looking good!
3.Try and get all my nutrients from food/supplements - done this since i was 18

You are halting your development not only as a man but as a person.

What?

Edited by Matt, 14 December 2009 - 12:18 AM.

[Brafarality]

1.Think and feel young <-- most important
2.Lift weights/strength training <-- extremely important IMO, equally good for the body AND mind
3.Try and get all my nutrients from food/supplements
4.RetinA/sunscreen for the face

---

Matt you look about 20. Stop caring so much about what people think and about looking like a child, there's nothing special about that. You are halting your development not only as a man but as a person. I've read your page/posts about the pros/cons of CR based on how it's effecting you, if you were right in the head, you would stop CR immediately; you've been sold an illusion that is obviously not delivering what you really want, stop deluding yourself.

And who ever that sad sad person is that doesn't smile because it could cause wrinkles, you are a sad sad person, please seek professional help immediately.

Why?

Would you say the same thing to a bodybuilder who micromanaged and microadjusted his every nuance of routine just to get the ever-more-perfect abs, quads or calfs?

Probably not, because it is more accepted, more manly, more mainstream, more something. Not sure.

This is the exact same thing.

I actually believe that such micromanaging of diet and regimen in order to max out youthful appearance so offends some people that they lash out with accusations like "You are missing out on life" (I actually backlashed against myself with this one recently..now THAT calls for professional help!) or "Why go through all these lengths for something so shallow" and so on.

The problem is that the same accusations must be applied to bodysculpting or anythinig similar, with equal gusto to be consistent and not hypocritical, since both are purely self-absorbed pursuits with no 'practical' benefit, or separate but equal impractical benefits.

But this is not the case since, for some inscrutable reason, people are more bothered by people obsessed with maxing out their skin and youth than with those obsessed with maxing out their bodybuilder physiques.

Any insights on why this is the case?

Nothing personal and no offense intended.
I just cant see why so many people are so put off by this particular self-absorbed pursuit out of the the 100,000s of impractical self-absorbed pursuits that exist in the world.

Edited by paulthekind, 14 December 2009 - 03:47 PM.

[niner]

1.Think and feel young <-- most important - YES, but it doesn't make you look young. I act, think, feel, sound and look young

I have a couple friends who were totally bald by the time they were your age. If you had suffered that particular genetic endowment, or didn't have the facial bone structure that you have, people probably wouldn't think you were a kid, and even CR wouldn't change that. It's really great that you look young, but with most people who look great when in their 20's or 30's, it has more to do with accident of birth than the way they eat, imho.

2.Lift weights/strength training - Yup, I just gained 15 lbs of muscle Well maybe a little fat too, but looking good!

That's awesome! I bet that you feel better too. I'm glad to hear that one can do this on CR.

3.Try and get all my nutrients from food/supplements - done this since i was 18

Thank god that we can at least do this, if we know how. The vast majority of people don't know how, though, which is kind of sad.

You are halting your development not only as a man but as a person.

What?

I should probably let rollo answer this, but there's at least a germ of truth in there, even if it might not apply to you specifically. (and i kinda think it doesn't, in your case) I think what he's getting at is that if we obsess over physical appearance, which could extend to bodysculpting as well, as paulthekind pointed out, we might lose sight of some parts of humanity that are more important than appearance. There are some fat, ugly people out there who are genuinely wonderful human beings, but a lot of us think poorly of them at first sight. Some of us might never see beyond the appearance to what's inside. The more important physical appearance is to us, the more likely we are to do this, I suspect. I hope I don't sound too judgmental here, because I'm as bad as the next guy about this, maybe tempered by the fact that I wouldn't win any beauty contests myself. Also, it might be the case that if we're too obsessed about our appearance, maybe we don't put as much effort into other areas that could be more important in the long run. Again, I don't think that this necessarrily applies to you, but it's a general concern.

[immortali457]

There are so many situations that are similar to this discussion. For instance, many here may think we'll eventually find a cure for aging and live forever (good luck with that)....and so they may have a superiority complex to mere mortals that only live to the average age of death.

[rollo]

Haha, no... I'll do what I want thanks. I don't look 20 xD You've also never met me, so how can you possibly know! Just the other day someone thought I was 16... but you know, I get this every week. So whatever :-) What is the illusion? What are you talking about! o.O

1.Think and feel young <-- most important - YES, but it doesn't make you look young. I act, think, feel, sound and look young
2.Lift weights/strength training - Yup, I just gained 15 lbs of muscle Well maybe a little fat too, but looking good!
3.Try and get all my nutrients from food/supplements - done this since i was 18

You are halting your development not only as a man but as a person.

What?

So you just happened to gain 15lbs, like going to the supermarket to pick up some groceries eh?

And can you please explain to me how you can GAIN WEIGHT when you are restricting calories the CR way(read drastic)?

Matt: I thought you were a confused child but now I see that you're quite the liar. Keep posting your e-stats, I'm sure people are buying what you have to sell.

And don't worry, niner will be along shortly to hold your hand and tell you there's very little truth to what I'm saying :/

Edited by rollo, 15 December 2009 - 06:23 AM.

[rollo]

1.Think and feel young <-- most important
2.Lift weights/strength training <-- extremely important IMO, equally good for the body AND mind
3.Try and get all my nutrients from food/supplements
4.RetinA/sunscreen for the face

---

Matt you look about 20. Stop caring so much about what people think and about looking like a child, there's nothing special about that. You are halting your development not only as a man but as a person. I've read your page/posts about the pros/cons of CR based on how it's effecting you, if you were right in the head, you would stop CR immediately; you've been sold an illusion that is obviously not delivering what you really want, stop deluding yourself.

And who ever that sad sad person is that doesn't smile because it could cause wrinkles, you are a sad sad person, please seek professional help immediately.

Why?

Would you say the same thing to a bodybuilder who micromanaged and microadjusted his every nuance of routine just to get the ever-more-perfect abs, quads or calfs?

Probably not, because it is more accepted, more manly, more mainstream, more something. Not sure.

This is the exact same thing.

I actually believe that such micromanaging of diet and regimen in order to max out youthful appearance so offends some people that they lash out with accusations like "You are missing out on life" (I actually backlashed against myself with this one recently..now THAT calls for professional help!) or "Why go through all these lengths for something so shallow" and so on.

The problem is that the same accusations must be applied to bodysculpting or anythinig similar, with equal gusto to be consistent and not hypocritical, since both are purely self-absorbed pursuits with no 'practical' benefit, or separate but equal impractical benefits.

But this is not the case since, for some inscrutable reason, people are more bothered by people obsessed with maxing out their skin and youth than with those obsessed with maxing out their bodybuilder physiques.

Any insights on why this is the case?

Nothing personal and no offense intended.
I just cant see why so many people are so put off by this particular self-absorbed pursuit out of the the 100,000s of impractical self-absorbed pursuits that exist in the world.

You're wrong to begin with. Bodybuilding is not mainstream, perhaps mainstream if you're part of the competing bodybuilding circle or bodybuilding internet forums. In the real world bodybuilding the way 'it's meant to be done' is not mainstream at all. When you tell people you bodybuild they're like okay, but if you tell them your schedule, that you have to eat 3 more meals, even though you've had 3 already, each with 30g of protein and 60g of carbs, and that you need to take l-leucine before each meal to spike protein synthesis and that before you goto sleep you're going to eat some cottage cheese, drink a table spoon of flax seed oil right before you drink a 100% casein protein shake so that your body is fed all night as you sleep, then by their response you'll see how accepted bodybuilding is. I could add more very real details but I think I've made my point.

That conflict in yourself that you mentioned, I suggest you think on it. After spending a very small time on this forum, I'm finding that people here are will to sacrifice real substance over quantity. To live a long life in hiding, to live a long life in hunger <--definetly not for me. But what do I know, I'm just a deathist.

Good day to you sir.

[JLL]

I just cant see why so many people are so put off by this particular self-absorbed pursuit out of the the 100,000s of impractical self-absorbed pursuits that exist in the world.

I don't think it's the nature of the pursuit; it's the degree to which you pursue.

Extreme bodybuilders very likely get the same kind of responses from people as extreme CR people.

This probably has to do with the widespread meme that "everything in moderation is good" and thus everything in the extreme is bad. I find this logic absurd, but I do think the point you yourself made earlier about missing out on life is still valid. It's a subjective decision, of course -- no one else can tell you how to live your life -- but it's good to keep in mind that we all make bad decisions every now and then.

[TheFountain]

The problem is that the same accusations must be applied to bodysculpting or anythinig similar, with equal gusto to be consistent and not hypocritical, since both are purely self-absorbed pursuits with no 'practical' benefit, or separate but equal impractical benefits.

But this is not the case since, for some inscrutable reason, people are more bothered by people obsessed with maxing out their skin and youth than with those obsessed with maxing out their bodybuilder physiques.

Any insights on why this is the case?

Because we live in a sexist society in which softness and femininity is hated unless it is for the explicit purpose of serving male desire. Obviously soft, feminine looking men cannot serve the desire of such men and in fact threaten them. Perhaps soft feminine men get more women than these other types, hence why they are angry with them? Perhaps women are sick of meat heads who spend 95% of their lives worrying about how bulky and intimidating they look? Maybe the species is evolving away from this paradigm? Whatever the case may be everyone has their own pursuits. Trying to convince someone theirs is wrong is a back handed attempt at controlling a persons destiny. Pathetic people do this.

[FNC]

Can we stop attacking other users please? Let people lead their lives the way they so choose.

[Skötkonung]

You're wrong to begin with. Bodybuilding is not mainstream, perhaps mainstream if you're part of the competing bodybuilding circle or bodybuilding internet forums. In the real world bodybuilding the way 'it's meant to be done' is not mainstream at all. When you tell people you bodybuild they're like okay, but if you tell them your schedule, that you have to eat 3 more meals, even though you've had 3 already, each with 30g of protein and 60g of carbs, and that you need to take l-leucine before each meal to spike protein synthesis and that before you goto sleep you're going to eat some cottage cheese, drink a table spoon of flax seed oil right before you drink a 100% casein protein shake so that your body is fed all night as you sleep, then by their response you'll see how accepted bodybuilding is. I could add more very real details but I think I've made my point.

That conflict in yourself that you mentioned, I suggest you think on it. After spending a very small time on this forum, I'm finding that people here are will to sacrifice real substance over quantity. To live a long life in hiding, to live a long life in hunger <--definetly not for me. But what do I know, I'm just a deathist.

Good day to you sir.

To some degree, egoism should be accepted and nurtured in others. Matt, regardless of whether you personally would pursue his calorie restriction lifestyle, is following his passion. By doing so, he is contributing to the collective knowledge of calorie restriction, and if he succeeds, attainment of longevity as well. He should not be disparaged for his attempt as his egoism is not hurting others. Furthermore, through is pursuit of calorie restriction, he may learn to moderate his lifestyle.

For all your sage advice, I find you lacking a sense of relativism. Did you ever stop to think what you consider substance might not be of interest to others.

Regarding bodybuilding, like any pursuit, there are tiers of interest and those attract varying levels of support, disbelief, and discouragement. Some years ago, I attempt to partake in competitive bodybuilding. At my peak I weighed 20lbs at precontest heavier than my currently lean 190lbs. My starting weight was 130lb in my late teens. When I began bodybuilding, I had yet to accomplish much in terms of gaining strength or significant hypertrophy. As I started purchasing the bodybuilding supplements listed as "essential" by some users on various bodybuilding communities, I was disparaged by both friends and family. I received comments like "that is an expensive phase you are going though" and "I don't think you have the genetic capacity to gain much muscle." People doubted my passion and commitment, as well as my motives (vanity?). It was hard starting out and openly receiving criticism. By the time I had gained to 160lbs, friends and family began commenting on my success with statements of encouragement and admiration. These types of comments increased in frequency until I reached near 200lbs, lean. At this point the comments began taking a negative turn, focusing on how my body was disproportionate to my head, or how I looked unhealthy being so large. After a cycle of methyl-1-testosterone (then a legal pro-hormone), the closest I got to AAS, I was not only receiving these negative comments from friends but also on occasion from strangers. Maintaining at this weight, I grew tired to the commitment and restraint this lifestyle place on my development as an individual and eventually reduced my training, supplementation, and nutrition to something more manageable.

I related Matt to my anecdote as someone who is just beginning their pursuit of a goal. As he continues to learn more about himself and calorie restriction, there is no doubt he will hit extremes where others would certainly disapprove. Judging by your comments, he may be there already. Through this process, he will learn what lifestyle characteristics are most comfortable for him and balances best with his other priorities whether those be occupational, familial, etc. He will learn just how comfortably he can live outside the range of normalcy.

What you need to realize is that where ever he ends up, so long as it is not negatively impacting you, should not be of your concern. I see no reason why you should be so bothered by his choices.

[Matt]

So you just happened to gain 15lbs, like going to the supermarket to pick up some groceries eh?

And can you please explain to me how you can GAIN WEIGHT when you are restricting calories the CR way(read drastic)?

Matt: I thought you were a confused child but now I see that you're quite the liar. Keep posting your e-stats, I'm sure people are buying what you have to sell.

And don't worry, niner will be along shortly to hold your hand and tell you there's very little truth to what I'm saying :/

You do not know what you're talking about

Now you're just being silly. I've been training for a couple months +. I'm not selling anything... good day to you

Edited by Matt, 15 December 2009 - 04:56 PM.

[Matt]

i've been training. inspired by this man he was 125 lbs in enter the dragon. I'm 120 lbs at the moment (same height), up from 105 lbs. I still have very low body temperature and blood pressure. Still CR'd, a little less.

[niner]

i've been training. inspired by this man he was 125 lbs in enter the dragon. I'm 120 lbs at the moment (same height), up from 105 lbs. I still have very low body temperature and blood pressure. Still CR'd, a little less.

105 sounds a little light... I wonder if it's easier to gain from a low baseline? Matt, did you need to up your caloric intake to put on that much weight? Seems like you would have needed an extra 27 thousand calories or so, minus whatever fraction of the weight was water.

Rollo, does this post constitute hand-holding? Just wondering.

[rollo]

To some degree, egoism should be accepted and nurtured in others. Matt, regardless of whether you personally would pursue his calorie restriction lifestyle, is following his passion. By doing so, he is contributing to the collective knowledge of calorie restriction, and if he succeeds, attainment of longevity as well. He should not be disparaged for his attempt as his egoism is not hurting others. Furthermore, through is pursuit of calorie restriction, he may learn to moderate his lifestyle.

For all your sage advice, I find you lacking a sense of relativism. Did you ever stop to think what you consider substance might not be of interest to others.

Regarding bodybuilding, like any pursuit, there are tiers of interest and those attract varying levels of support, disbelief, and discouragement. Some years ago, I attempt to partake in competitive bodybuilding. At my peak I weighed 20lbs at precontest heavier than my currently lean 190lbs. My starting weight was 130lb in my late teens. When I began bodybuilding, I had yet to accomplish much in terms of gaining strength or significant hypertrophy. As I started purchasing the bodybuilding supplements listed as "essential" by some users on various bodybuilding communities, I was disparaged by both friends and family. I received comments like "that is an expensive phase you are going though" and "I don't think you have the genetic capacity to gain much muscle." People doubted my passion and commitment, as well as my motives (vanity?). It was hard starting out and openly receiving criticism. By the time I had gained to 160lbs, friends and family began commenting on my success with statements of encouragement and admiration. These types of comments increased in frequency until I reached near 200lbs, lean. At this point the comments began taking a negative turn, focusing on how my body was disproportionate to my head, or how I looked unhealthy being so large. After a cycle of methyl-1-testosterone (then a legal pro-hormone), the closest I got to AAS, I was not only receiving these negative comments from friends but also on occasion from strangers. Maintaining at this weight, I grew tired to the commitment and restraint this lifestyle place on my development as an individual and eventually reduced my training, supplementation, and nutrition to something more manageable.

I related Matt to my anecdote as someone who is just beginning their pursuit of a goal. As he continues to learn more about himself and calorie restriction, there is no doubt he will hit extremes where others would certainly disapprove. Judging by your comments, he may be there already. Through this process, he will learn what lifestyle characteristics are most comfortable for him and balances best with his other priorities whether those be occupational, familial, etc. He will learn just how comfortably he can live outside the range of normalcy.

What you need to realize is that where ever he ends up, so long as it is not negatively impacting you, should not be of your concern. I see no reason why you should be so bothered by his choices.

I'm glad you have the restraint to hold back, good for you. I have quite a bit of restraint myself but I simply cannot shut the hell up when I repeatedly see 'crazy'; I'm glad that you can and I hope one day I have your level of restraint. When I see bullshit, I have to call it; when I see contradictions, I have to point them out.

These forums can be quite a wonderful escape from reality, especially when they are populated by wonderful, caring and enlightened people such as yourself. I for one think that escape from reality, unless in the tiniest of doses, is never a good thing. That's just me, feel free to ignore my posts.

[rollo]

i've been training. inspired by this man he was 125 lbs in enter the dragon. I'm 120 lbs at the moment (same height), up from 105 lbs. I still have very low body temperature and blood pressure. Still CR'd, a little less.

105 sounds a little light... I wonder if it's easier to gain from a low baseline? Matt, did you need to up your caloric intake to put on that much weight? Seems like you would have needed an extra 27 thousand calories or so, minus whatever fraction of the weight was water.

Rollo, does this post constitute hand-holding? Just wondering.

Do whatever the hell you want niner... i just didn't like that comment you made up there...