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[AdamSummerfield]

A World War? On the scale of what happened last time?
Absolutely not.
Firstly, there isn't a big enough threat to make such a war... I assume we all think that USA would side with the Europe... and no force can fight both of them. Russia wouldn't fight us, they're too European these days. Plus they have little reason to, except perhaps bickering about nuclear warheads.

Maybe in the future when China and India are super-powers, but that isn't what Winterbreeze meant by "soon", is it?

- Adam

[PWAIN]

Maybe in the future when China and India are super-powers, but that isn't what Winterbreeze meant by "soon", is it?

- Adam

I based my vote on "within my lifetime" which would allow for a Chinese/Indian superpower to emerge. If we are talking about the next 3 to 5 years, then my vote may change.

[Futurist1000]

I voted no. I don't think world war 3 will ever happen. Conflict in the world is on the decline and I see this trend continuing for the forseeable future. As for terrorists...Its been a while since a major terrorist attack has been carried out and I see the likelihood of one happening again to be fairly low. I don't think any islamic country will ever pose a major threat to the US either. I believe that China is the only country that could concievably be a military threat to the US in the future, but I'm not too worried about them (at least not yet).

I think it will start begining as soon as Turkey will be part of the European union. That will enable the Muslims to travel free in Europe, because they have easy access to Turkey, and they will start taking over Europe from the inside, and when Europe will finally realize the mistake

Well Turkey is fairly moderate. I think it really depends on which country the muslims are from. I know I read somewhere (can't find the article) that some muslim immigrants from certain countries are more trouble than others (at least in Europe). I would suspect that Turkish muslims might be less problematic on average since they come from a more moderate islamic country. Muslims from the middle east might be more likely to cause trouble, though (i.e. extremism). Remember that islam is not a monolithic group and some muslims are more secular than others. As for the future of Europe, I kind of think that islamic immigrants will be more of a pain in the ass than a real threat (like using too much welfare, being involved in crime etc.). I really don't think islamic religious fanatics are ever going to be able to directly challenge the West. (because of two very important letters, I and Q, which fanatics/terrorists often don't have) [wis]. In the US, our muslim population is more educated and has a higher income (on average) than the general population. So I suspect this may be one of the reasons that we have fewer problems than in Europe.

Edited by hrc579, 17 November 2007 - 05:46 PM.

[rodentman]

A World War? On the scale of what happened last time?
Absolutely not.
Firstly, there isn't a big enough threat to make such a war... I assume we all think that USA would side with the Europe... and no force can fight both of them. Russia wouldn't fight us, they're too European these days. Plus they have little reason to, except perhaps bickering about nuclear warheads.

Maybe in the future when China and India are super-powers, but that isn't what Winterbreeze meant by "soon", is it?

- Adam

WHY ARE YOU SO SURE OF THIS??? My god, you people are completely ignoring history and human nature.

Look whats happening in Russia!! Putin has completely reigned in control, and made it impossible for anyone to run against him. And if in January, he ammends the constitution to allow him to run after 8 years, then Russia will be a complete and total dictatorship. One that has a vast arsenal of nukes. And Putin is not reasonable or pragmatic like the Chinese. He's crazy. Look at his his youth movement, or 'Putin Youth'. He feeds them nonstop anti-west propoganda, encourages them to procreate the race, and is using their stock to fill the ranks of the government. Does any of this sound familiar?

more info here: http://www.telegraph.../wmoscow225.xml

That doesn't guarantee a WWIII, but it is definitely in the realm of possibilities. And it could be MUCH MUCH worse than WWII.

RodentMan

Edited by rodentman, 01 December 2007 - 07:19 AM.

[TrekkieMan]

I believe that as long as there are large numbers of nuclear weapons, the chance for a world war remains very good. The world can become less violent, and individuals can try to make the world a better place, but all it takes is a handful of nukes to kill millions of people. At present, I think the biggest threat would be Jihadists obtaining some nukes. I believe they are crazy enough to use them. I don't think Russia or China would use their nukes. Still, I'd like to see these terrible weapons eliminated.

[missminni]

I believe it already started and we are in the midst of it. They sneaked it by us.

Bill Moyers speech at Harvard 3 years ago puts it in frightening perspective.
http://www.commondre...s04/1206-10.htm
it's a worthwhile read.

Edited by missminni, 02 December 2007 - 07:47 PM.

[senseix]

World war 3 no, cold war v2, maybe.

[eternaltraveler]

for those of you seeking the posts in this thread detailing how Gashinotan wishes to start WWIII by a biological attack on the civilian population of china, see the free speech forum.

[Live Forever]

for those of you seeking the posts in this thread detailing how Gashinotan wishes to start WWIII by a biological attack on the civilian population of china, see the free speech forum.

I am hoping there arent many that want to see that.

....we shall see.

[Alien65]

In a sense, WWIII has already started. Bin Laden, as leader of the Islamic fundamentalist nation, declared war on the U.S. in 1996. The attacks of 9/11 was the first major assault that included attacks on other nations as well. Virtually every nation in the world is involved in the so called "war on terror". Some support the virtual Islamic state, others support the "other side". This has been and will continue to be a long and protracted war that will most likely end in a nuclear conflagration.

[juu-joa]

The world is getting less violent. We are more aware of violence now via communication tech and what the public will morally accept is outpacing the decline in those unaccepted activities. These are some of the reasons why our perception of violence occurrence is the opposite to the reality.

I answered no.

Acutally the world is just getting more and more violent, for example in the Africa, almost every country is in a civil war at the time. And just take a look at the Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine... And even the violence in the streets is big these days, kids getting crazy with guns in school and stuff. But it's true that a big world war is quite unlikely to occur these days because of the nuclear weapons. I agree with the ones who said that the next big war will propably include either China or India.

[dannov]

All wars are engineered. World War III came and passed--that was the Cold War. It was a proxy war fought through agents (ie. - us funding Osama Bin Laden against the Russians in Afghanistan, Soviets funding Africans to revolt against colonialism when the West refused to help them, etc.). World War IV may get triggered between Israel and Iran. Israel has been pushing for us hard to initiate a war with Iran, as have jackasses like Lieberman, Cheney, and Bush. Fortunately, Bush hasn't quite expanded his executive privileges to that of an absolute monarch yet (Emperor Nero v. 2.0?), and we do have some dignified congressional representatives left that have fought hard to prevent this along with those in the CIA who are fed up with the administration as well. Will there be a World War IV? That all depends on if the power elite get their way.

Edited by dannov, 28 February 2008 - 08:56 PM.

[dannov]

WHY ARE YOU SO SURE OF THIS??? My god, you people are completely ignoring history and human nature.

Look whats happening in Russia!! Putin has completely reigned in control, and made it impossible for anyone to run against him. And if in January, he ammends the constitution to allow him to run after 8 years, then Russia will be a complete and total dictatorship. One that has a vast arsenal of nukes. And Putin is not reasonable or pragmatic like the Chinese. He's crazy. Look at his his youth movement, or 'Putin Youth'. He feeds them nonstop anti-west propoganda, encourages them to procreate the race, and is using their stock to fill the ranks of the government. Does any of this sound familiar?

more info here: http://www.telegraph.../wmoscow225.xml

That doesn't guarantee a WWIII, but it is definitely in the realm of possibilities. And it could be MUCH MUCH worse than WWII.

RodentMan

This is complete and utter crap. Mainstream American media bullshit. Russia was RAPED by Western interests for her natural resources in the 90s under Yeltsin's reign, which is why Boris was so beloved by the American media. The American media is owned by corporations that benefitted a lot from Russia being whored out. Putin, a national Russian sovereigntist who was directly endorsed by Yeltsin to get the country back on track AND was endorsed recently by Gorbachev is not only incredibly popular in Russia, but he has NO REASON to rig any election. The guy's approval rate is 80%! Compare that with GW Bush, who is less than 30%, and had to rig both elections to get the presidency. This is craziness.

Also, the Putin Youth movement is something that the youth have started, and it is NOTHING like Hitler Youth. They are simply reestablishing their identities as Russians, and are proud that their country has nationalized its own assets to due as it sees fit with in the best interests of Russia (they dwarf even Saudi Arabia's oil supplies, too bad ExxonMobil...no influence there!). Putin is very cold and cunning, and has Siberian exiled many traitors to the country or simply drove out charlatans and mafia along with the officials that they've corrupted.

Putin didn't amend the Constitution, he would have had to of amended the Constitution to CONTINUE his presidency. He said that he would rather respect the Constitution, and endorsed Medvedev as his successor. Putin is so wildly popular that he was urged to be the PM, and so it was done. Russia has been experiencing unprecedented economic growth under Putin, and as far as accusations of Russia not being Democratic and Putin being dictator-like, Putin has gone on record as stating that the West has to be patient with Russia and that it will take 30 years to establish a sound democracy in the nation. You can't just throw a complete republic democracy onto a nation in turmoil...it's not how America was founded, nor any other country.

Putin doesn't care about expanding Russia into the USSR again, he just cares about protecting Russian interests. BUSHIE is the one threatening him by trying to build anti-nuke defenses alongside his border with the BS excuse of saying it will exist for usage against Iran. Fact of the matter is, they want to be able to bomb Russia without them being able to retaliate.

In conclusion, Putin is *incredibly* pragmatic and logical and virtually devoid of emotion in his decisions. He trusts very few people, and has had very humble beginnings (grew up in a cockroach-infested apartment and worked his way from the bottom up, contrast that with Bush who was handed a bunch of companies that he drove into the ground). Nobody's perfect, but he's the best thing going for Russian prosperity right now.

Edited by dannov, 28 February 2008 - 09:07 PM.

[biknut]

More likely a cold war in space.

[gashinshotan]

More likely a cold war in space.

More like untraceable biological warfare.

[gashinshotan]

More likely a cold war in space.

More like untraceable biological warfare.

That reminds me, lets say you're right about how anyone could pull off growing something like bird flu with basic lab equipment. How would someone obtain bird flu or some other exotic biological weapon in the first place?

Lots of labs are researching it as well as other strains all over the world. That's all Im going to say .

[Brafarality]

Umm what's the difference between world war and cold war?

A cold war is "good fences make good neighbors"- Frost
A world war is "the broken wall, the burning roof and tower, and Agamemnon dead." -Yeats

Edited by paulthekind, 17 June 2008 - 07:54 PM.

[KillZone]

To be honest i do believe that world war 3 has started already.Look at the events that are happening around the world .This war to me started at 9/11.The US started 2 wars, Iraq and Afganistan.Now Israel attacked Lebbanon in 06.Israel is planing and practicing an attack on Iran.This attack if it does happen,will be the trigger to a bigger and a darker scenario.Russia has warned Israel and the world against an attack on Iran.Russia has been involved with Iran's nuclear programs.Russia has already stated that they have a plan to invade Israel if Israel attacks Iran.World War 3 is not only started is heating up as we speak.Now the US wont have nothing to do with this war, the US is in the downwoard spiral economicly, politicaly, and morally.Gas prices and the bad economy are driving the us to the ground and this is only the begging of things to come.

Edited by KillZone, 21 June 2008 - 03:35 PM.

[Luna]

KillZone, this is all nice and easy to point the blaming fingers at the USA and Israel, but do not forget that past events taught us when a person such as the ruler of Iran arms for nuclear weapons and spread so much hate and death promises, they mostly mean it.
And if they do not mean it, they do cause others to do it for them, such as the well known islam terrorists organizations.

And Israel "attack" on Lebanon, Israel is just acting stupid lately, but so do the countries who surround it, people attack Israel daily (Sderot for example).
Any other country would have gone total war for that.

[Ben]

WHY ARE YOU SO SURE OF THIS??? My god, you people are completely ignoring history and human nature.

Putin doesn't care about expanding Russia into the USSR again, he just cares about protecting Russian interests. BUSHIE is the one threatening him by trying to build anti-nuke defenses alongside his border with the BS excuse of saying it will exist for usage against Iran. Fact of the matter is, they want to be able to bomb Russia without them being able to retaliate.

Don't you think it's hypocritical for a Russian to accuse an American of ignoring human nature and history?

Oh and how is a missile defense system a threat to Russia? It's a defensive measure.

And as a personal note to you, how anyone can be Russian and patriotic in this day and age completely shocks me.

[brokenportal]

The more we get the world to focus on life extension, the more we will keep them busy working together for something positive, and the less likely there will be for a chance of ww3. Therefore I voted no. WW3 isnt coming, because we're coming.

[Rich D]

The funny thing is that back in 1983, when I was young, I was trying to decide if I should vote for Mondale or Reagan. Like many young adults, I didn't think much about politics, and I leaned Democratic. I mean it seems rather mean not to pass the minum wage hike. Heck, why don't they even make it higher. Long story short I was confronted by a vehement liberal and conservative at work. The liberal was convinced that we would enter WWIII if Reagan were elected. You could see the fear in her face. She believed it. Of course, the conservative said nonsense. I ended up voting for Mondale and then Reagan won by a landslide (thank goodness). Instead of WWWIII, the Berlin wall came down, the Soviet Union dissolved, and the economy roared back from double digit inflation, high interest rates, high unemployment, oil shortages, and other debacles of the Jimmy Carter era. I since learned to become a libertarian conservative. Thank god I kept an open mind.

[brokenportal]

I thought that the last recession was with Reagans term. Reagan might have been a part of those good things. But he was elected because of character, he was an actor, and then we elected his vice president, which means that we pretty much just voted somebody in that some actor picked because of character, and then that led to voting in his son because of this whole, "elect people because they have character" thing. I think that was one of the illest things to befall humanity since Nero. Dont we learn our lessons from that kind of stuff? Ok, not Nero, but you know what I mean.

[cathological]

The USA's economy is dependent on China, not the other way around. In my oppinion America has a rickety ass economy and is hiding it with borrowed money. Time is on China's side so I don't think they will start world war 3 untill they're good and ready (USA economy goes into huge recession, USA cuts back drastically on millitary spending for economic reasons, China has enough USA officials in there pockets). If that kind of groundwork fell into place then sure.

Well that didn't take very long to happen did it?

[Cyberbrain]

Well at least with Obama as president and Hillary as secretary of state, I think the chances of WW III have been reduced.

[Mind]

I tend to think the odds are reduced, however, none of the great murdering tyrants of the past came to power promising genocide and war. The Nazi (socialist party) slogan was "for the good of the German people".

[Cyberbrain]

I tend to think the odds are reduced, however, none of the great murdering tyrants of the past came to power promising genocide and war. The Nazi (socialist party) slogan was "for the good of the German people".

No argument there. The odds are reduced, but WW III could still occur. However, I wouldn't compare Obama and the Democratic Party to Hitler and the Nazi party

[Mind]

I didn't want to give that impression (Obama=Hitler), just noting how dictators usually come to power.