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Posted 28 November 2007 - 05:40 PM


I am wondering if Piracetam is known to have any long term effects after the discontinuation of it. Considering that it activates, or rather intensifies the activity of, certain parts of the brain. I will try to add my own searched research in here, but i'm wondering if some have found research already. There is also the possibility that by accelerating nerve growth (through either Hydergine or the vast majority of other Nerve Growth "agents") one can make it long term, of course that's in theory. Best regards.

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Posted 30 November 2007 - 02:08 AM

It's great for long term enhancement.

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Posted 30 November 2007 - 02:15 AM

I've taken it on and off for years and the effect does last with you years later.

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Posted 30 November 2007 - 01:08 PM

I've taken it on and off for years and the effect does last with you years later.


If you don't mind me asking, what were some of the benefits that stuck with you?

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Posted 06 December 2007 - 08:20 PM

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Posted 12 December 2007 - 05:19 PM

Well i suppose i'll just add some research to get this thing started


Piracetam elevates muscarinic cholinergic receptor density in the frontal cortex of aged but not of young mice

Chronic treatment (2 weeks) with piracetam (500 mg/kg, once daily PO) elevatedm-cholinoceptor density in the frontal cortex of aged (18 months) female mice by about 30–40%, but had no effect onm-cholinoceptor density in the frontal cortex of young (4 weeks) mice. The effect of piracetam onm-cholinoceptor density as determined by the specific binding of tritiated QNB was not affected by concomitant daily treatment with either choline (200 mg/kg) or scopolamine (4 mg/kg). It is concluded that the effect of piracetam onm-cholinoceptor density could explain the positive effects which have been reported for combinations of cholinergic precursor treatment with piracetam on memory and other cognitive functions in aged experimental animals and patients and could also represent part of the possible mechanism of action of piracetam alone.



The Effects of Piracetam on Lipofuscin of the Rat Cerebellar and Hippocampal Neurons after Long-Term Alcohol Treatment and Withdrawal: A Quantitative Study

There is a growing body of evidence indicating that chronic alcohol consumption induces morphological changes in the central nervous system (CNS) similar to those observed during brain senescence, including an increased formation of lipofuscin. In addition, it was also found that alcohol withdrawal does not reverse these changes. On the contrary, most of the alterations observed during alcohol consumption worsen as happens with the increased lipofuscin formation. Thus, using our model of alcohol feeding and withdrawal, we decided to examine the effects of different drugs said to offer neuronal protection during CNS degenerative processes. The action of piracetam, a cyclic derivate of GABA and commonly used as a nootropic agent, was tested by studying the lipofuscin accumulation on the cerebellar Purkinje and hippocampal CA3 pyramidal cells in alcohol-treated and withdrawn rats. Piracetam was found to markedly decrease the formation of neuronal lipofuscin. Whatever the functional implications of this pigment, its reduction in piracetam-treated animals might be related either to a protective effect on the intraneuronal membranous system or to an antioxydant property of this molecule.


Not sure if that's long term after discontinuing, i know for myself i no longer want to drink any type of alcohol since i find it generally maladaptive behavior, occasional desire for a nice amount of sake, but only for the sake of Sake lol.

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Posted 12 December 2007 - 06:35 PM

I wonder if piracetam will rid one of lipofuscin deposits within the brain? The only agent that I know to be able to do this is meclofenoxate (centrophenoxine aka Lucidril). Maybe ex-alcoholics, if there is such a thing, could be treated with centro to bring their brain back to normal per se?

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Posted 16 December 2007 - 09:11 AM

I wonder if piracetam will rid one of lipofuscin deposits within the brain? The only agent that I know to be able to do this is meclofenoxate (centrophenoxine aka Lucidril). Maybe ex-alcoholics, if there is such a thing, could be treated with centro to bring their brain back to normal per se?


Perhaps a Piracetam + Centro combo one to reduce cravings the other to reduce lipofuscin... could be an interesting research, just another reason to take piracetam lol.

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 01:06 AM

Piracetam keeps getting better and better for me! After years of use it is still the great white horse, galloping freely through the winds of space and time to the bell's harmonic chime.

Piracetam makes the slivers of sunshine like liquid light. They shine deeper into the well of my mind, and there illuminate as fire would burn.

Plus the dreams! Oh, the dreams, in their horrors and screams! Every nite is full of the most amazingly clear terrors and heavens that cannot be reached by the hand of normal man.

The clarity of the days has swept away my daze, turned tiredness into relentless energy, changed depression into constant optimizm!

The single most powerful molecule made by the hand of man is indeed Piracetam.
It is the giver of eternal life and a wizard's power hour after hour!
The key to restoring and maintaining a brain worth more than its weight in grain.

Even greater is its potentiation of the mind-opening psychedelics and even cannabis.
It brings back the first time of the MDMA chime
sometimes even better, I even have the letter!

Edited by Isochroma, 20 June 2009 - 01:13 AM.


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Posted 02 January 2010 - 11:29 PM

Better and better! Dreaming in the last month (now 1.5 years since starting) has been excellent. 20g per day of fishoil (10/10 in morn/bedtime) has been the total afterburner!

Last night's dreams were just so excellent. Two different kinds of alien worms, lots of cool guns going off, me winning in all the fights! And the night before, singing to the universe while levitating!

It doesn't get much better than this, or maybe it does...

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Posted 03 January 2010 - 12:13 PM

Better and better! Dreaming in the last month (now 1.5 years since starting) has been excellent. 20g per day of fishoil (10/10 in morn/bedtime) has been the total afterburner!

Last night's dreams were just so excellent. Two different kinds of alien worms, lots of cool guns going off, me winning in all the fights! And the night before, singing to the universe while levitating!

It doesn't get much better than this, or maybe it does...


You are almost seducing me to dive into that tub that sits by my bed all lonely and redundant! Why do you take this much fish oil daily just out of interest? That is quite a lot, do you notice anything negative if you don't take the fish oil with your piracetam? And you still take piracetam without any choline? I get the same effects as you but it always starts to wane after a couple of weeks to the point where it makes me slow, less happy and doesn't seem to add anything. The dreams are really cool pretty much whether I respond to it or not which I always enjoyed. Its like going to bed knowing your in for a good movie. I am thinking a regular dose just before bed must be quite vital because I too have experinced that energy upon wakening and not feeling tired in the slightest. I wish I had the same results as you Isochroma!!

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Posted 03 January 2010 - 12:13 PM

Better and better! Dreaming in the last month (now 1.5 years since starting) has been excellent. 20g per day of fishoil (10/10 in morn/bedtime) has been the total afterburner!

Last night's dreams were just so excellent. Two different kinds of alien worms, lots of cool guns going off, me winning in all the fights! And the night before, singing to the universe while levitating!

It doesn't get much better than this, or maybe it does...


You are almost seducing me to dive into that tub that sits by my bed all lonely and redundant! Why do you take this much fish oil daily just out of interest? That is quite a lot, do you notice anything negative if you don't take the fish oil with your piracetam? And you still take piracetam without any choline? I get the same effects as you but it always starts to wane after a couple of weeks to the point where it makes me slow, less happy and doesn't seem to add anything. The dreams are really cool pretty much whether I respond to it or not which I always enjoyed. Its like going to bed knowing your in for a good movie. I am thinking a regular dose just before bed must be quite vital because I too have experinced that energy upon wakening and not feeling tired in the slightest. I wish I had the same results as you Isochroma!!

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Posted 03 January 2010 - 07:28 PM

It isn't much fish oil. My question to you is why do you take so little?

Almost everyone gets 20g of other fats daily. Adding a pittance of a few grams of fishoil isn't going to change the ratio much.

Look at the Japanese. Most creative culture in the world, diet soaked with fish oil since prehistory.

It's possible to live on fish oil. Many cultures did. Mine does. And it is growing beyond control.

I've upped my dose to 24g per day since last night. The level of power is almost too much to bear. I'm jumping out of bed this morning. It is time to change the world. I will grip it with my own hands and squeeze it, tear it, turn it, pound it until it becomes my image. The eternities within the creation cycle will hear my voice. Death is coming soon but not just yet. I want more power until there is no end, and then I will turn it to use.

It is almost time for me to become the tool of the silent voice and the hand of god. Being so close to the edge is frustrating. I must count the heartbeats. Timing, the timing is everything. A new game of chess, one that I will win no matter how the opponent moves. But for now I must wait. Patience. The harmony of forever is about to sing my song, but I must not move before the right moment.

The beautiful dreams and wonderful nightmares happen every night now! Last night I was smashing the skulls of cats. They didn't put up much of a fight either. The night before I killed dozens of people and other creatures. For the first time they all lost to me. There was no fear, only the joy of reaping.

This morning I danced with the vast energy that is flowing through me. Hands itching, flexing, muscles tight and waiting to unspring. Feet burning to run someone down: this is what it is to be a predator. For weeks now that restless power has been growing. Every day more of it waiting in a pool to be disposed in the way I see fit - no - in the way the dreams see fit. I was able to move in a way I've never been able to in my life. And stop on a hair without any vertigo. It will soon be time to put these skills to use. The power is begging, crying, screaming to be used. It wants me to be its tool. It wants to grow without limit and expand into forever. And I will let it, just not quite yet. It must be held in check until the exact moment. Then there will be joy without limits.

The shine behind my eyes continues to grow. I am becoming something else: a mirror of the active side of infinity. A very dangerous thing indeed.

Edited by Isochroma, 03 January 2010 - 08:22 PM.


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Posted 03 January 2010 - 08:48 PM

One weird thing I forgot: recently a very strange metabolic smell has become evident. It doesn't come from skin or anything else, but is received directly inside my nose! It may be a peculiarity to my genetics or it may be the fish oil, or who knows maybe the piracetam is contaminated with another chemical.

That's Made in China quality, perhaps.

But I don't care. The power is worth it. That power is like a vast light, one that draws me ever closer by its searing rays. Light that penetrates the soul and burns all imperfection within its sphere of refraction. There's a sick geometry in it. It will twist and distort the minds and souls of those who approach too close.

The key is to maintain balance until complete merger. The abstract ear must hear the sound of the song for only so long. It must forget itself and hold the memory of a forgotten trigger until its time resounds upon the pivotal present. Only those who can withstand that ruthless pressure will exist to grasp the hand of god and become one with eternity.

So I must stay soft and nice within and without. That's hard because everyone else is slowing down and dumbing down. Those people in daily life. I can't stand their slowness, their imperfect memories, their lack of total conception. I've become a different person since starting piracetam. I've become so tight, so unforgiving, so ruthless.

Leaving home to mingle with those countless others, I have to put on a very difficult act. I've got to be a sheep, but I'm now a wolf. Day by day the claws get sharper and faster. I smile more and am very polite. But if you look in my eyes they are brimming with a dangerous, cruel shine. I love that shine. Someone I knew years ago had it. He was so fast with his hands that it was inhuman. He was a genius and inventor, and lived alone in a shack in the woods. Eventually he lost his free radical and made a family. His insanely fast mind and hands came from good genetics, and he made use of them for economic production.

I asked him at one point what he thought of other people - in particular the fact that they were so slow and stupid relative to him. He said they were 'slugs', and indeed they were in comparison. There was a certain sense of distaste in his reply. He was very patient but wouldn't put up with slowness or inefficiency. He had a very critical mind and made constant - and accurate - judgements of others.

One day he showed me a coin trick. I was a decade younger than him at the time. He put a coin on the backside of his hand and - I can't quite remember the exact process but it was a speed test. At the time I thought it would be easy to win but I lost. That man was naturally wired. But now he's forty-eight and aging while I'm getting younger. Someday I'll see him again and win that palm trick. Because I'm faster than him now, for sure.

Despite that endless electricity moving and flowing, fluidizing and reforming the very heart of myself, I must retain the shell of normalcy until the last. To be a reed that can bend over in the gales of a hurricane. There will be no breakage until the final shard is ready.

Edited by Isochroma, 03 January 2010 - 09:10 PM.


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Posted 03 January 2010 - 09:10 PM

One weird thing I forgot: recently a very strange metabolic smell has become evident. It doesn't come from skin or anything else, but is received directly inside my nose! It may be a peculiarity to my genetics or it may be the fish oil, or who knows maybe the piracetam is contaminated with another chemical.

That's Made in China quality, perhaps.

But I don't care. The power is worth it. That power is like a vast light, one that draws me ever closer by its searing rays. Light that penetrates the soul and burns all imperfection within its sphere of refraction. There's a sick geometry in it. It will twist and distort the minds and souls of those who approach too close.

The key is to maintain balance until complete merger. The abstract ear must hear the sound of the song for only so long. It must forget itself and hold the memory of a forgotten trigger until its time resounds upon the pivotal present. Only those who can withstand that ruthless pressure will exist to grasp the hand of god and become one with eternity.

So I must stay soft and nice within and without. That's hard because everyone else is slowing down and dumbing down. Those people in daily life. I can't stand their slowness, their imperfect memories, their lack of total conception. I've become a different person since starting piracetam. I've become so tight, so unforgiving, so ruthless.

Leaving home to mingle with those countless others, I have to put on a very difficult act. I've got to be a sheep, but I'm now a wolf. Day by day the claws get sharper and faster. I smile more and am very polite. But if you look in my eyes they are brimming with a dangerous, cruel shine. I love that shine. Someone I knew years ago had it. He was so fast with his hands that it was inhuman. He was a genius and inventor, and lived alone in a shack in the woods. Eventually he lost his free radical and made a family. His insanely fast mind and hands came from good genetics, and he made use of them for economic production.

One day he showed me a coin trick. I was a decade younger than him. He put a coin on the backside of his hand and - I can't quite remember the exact process but it was a speed test. At the time I thought it would be easy to win but I lost. That man was naturally wired. But now he's forty-eight and I am getting younger. Someday I'll see him again and win that palm trick. Because I'm faster than him now, for sure.

Despite that endless electricity moving and flowing, fluidizing and reforming the very heart of myself, I must retain the shell of normalcy until the last. To be a reed that can bend over in the gales of a hurricane. There will be no breakage until the final shard is ready.


So how much piracetam do you take? I know it differs for each individual. I'm just curious.

I don't think I can handle that much fish oil. Do you supplement with extra vitamin E?

I wonder what combining Piracetam with an SSRI would be like? I'm currently taking 100 mg of Zoloft and 1000 mg of Depakote. I think I used to feel more like you do now a few years back when I just took 100 mg Zoloft and it worked well for me. Things unfortunately have changed since then.

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Posted 03 January 2010 - 09:21 PM

I've never taken an SSRI or any other antidepressant, and never will so you'll have to test it for yourself.

Depression happens when the brain's health is not where it should be. It is the result of something not working right inside those neurons - genetic, circumstantial or both. True health can be maintained by exogenous supplementation, but care must be taken in its composition.

Today's antidepressant drugs do not deal with the underlying cause, especially the metabolic factors. So those who take them inevitably wear down their own potentials as the drug depletes their metabolic capacity even as it desensitizes their receptors and causes the brain's own negative-feedback regulatory loop to retrocompensate.

All currently-approved antidepressant drugs are depletory. Such is the state of a politically and chemically toxic society that reaches its highest profits in its most lethal and addictive products. As it will be until the end - and the end is very near indeed.

Saturation dosing of piracetam with large quantities of fish oil is extreme. It's for the extreme folks who want to become crazy fast and a bit over the knife-edge of sharpness - and want to stay there for good. Unlike the stimulant addicts who inevitably burn out as they wear out, the piracetam & fishoil combo is the opposite - it burns in and gets stronger with time ;) Burn baby burn!

A mandatory warning though: power is corrosive, and this level is very difficult to control. It wants to fulfill its own agenda. I must make a daily, conscious effort to stay sane and physically move at a speed that's compatible with externalities like other people, keyboards, etc. A few days ago I was paying my local ISP and the chick at the counter was amazed at my speed. She had to get me to slow down my speaking. She noticed how intense I was, and she saw the shine in my eyes. I can tell because she asked me why I was so different than the rest of the herd in line. So I told her as I pulled out the portable piraetam jar and dosed right then and there, at the counter :) A full tablespoon swallowed dry, but I don't care. I could eat a pound dry. It doesn't matter anymore.

I told her about the taste and she said 'eww', so another potential customer likely lost :(

That in itself is frustrating and can result in some moodiness, which is quickly dispelled by the rapidity of change. Waiting on the computer is harder each day. Last night I had some fantasy of just pounding it to pieces because it couldn't keep up with me. It's too expensive to actually do that in real life, but I do wish the box was a quad-core or something even faster. How many cores would be needed to ensure that at all times it never hangs or delays?

Sometimes it feels like the whole world is a gigantic mass that I want to push, to accelerate it and make it move in the right directions. A feeling that comes from both the mind and the muscle. Body memory? Like I want to become a shaft that drives the eternal engine, stick my fingers in the gears and get wrapped around the master clockwork of existence.

Another effect I noticed is the speed of awareness cycling. During any given day and night cycle so much inside me changes that I become many different people. The key is to not become attached to any one but to keep moving with the current. The elements which persist must be shaped and cared for, because they are the true stabilizer in a world that - like a vast glacier - is unfreezing and flowing into ever-newer configurations.

As for fish oil, I take about 4g every three hours. Today I took my first dose at 12.00 noon, so here's the complete layout:

Dose 1: 12.00p
Dose 2: 3.00p
Dose 3: 6.00p
Dose 4: 9.00p
Dose 5: 12.00p
Dose 6: bedtime (est. 1.00a - 2.00a)

The fish oil is split in half - 12g at wakeup, 12g at bedtime.

For some reason fish oil makes the dreams come alive! I mean totally alive, so alive that they are writhing like puffy orange segmented worms with tentacles that crawl around and aren't killable. But the thin dark brown worms can be slowed by squirting potassium iodide solution on them - at least until they divide into two and crawl in opposite directions. That was one of the night before last's dream-segments.

Everything in this universe is articulated with depth and complexity that struggles against the bounds of rationality. Each part wants to be alive in different and often contradictory ways. There will be no peace but only an endless dance of irreconcilable qualities and quantities.

The duality between dream and awake that is an almost unbridgeable chasm. Two vortices that spin in opposite directions. The sparks of differentialization that fly between them throw me out of bed in the morning with insane power. The power of being balanced on the knife edge between perfect sanity and absolute unsanity. That is the true embodiment of all contradictions and the path toward realization of the impossible.

Edited by Isochroma, 03 January 2010 - 10:00 PM.


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Posted 03 January 2010 - 11:33 PM

edit!

Edited by HyperHydrosis, 04 January 2010 - 12:06 AM.


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Posted 03 January 2010 - 11:59 PM

Since I can't look from outside myself, I don't know for sure. But other people seem to be slowing down. They seem to be getting dumber.

Just like in a motion picture, when the camera framerate speeds up the scene appears to slow down.

That's because there's an inverse correlation between a viewer's rate and the reality rate. Thus I am led to the natural conclusion that I'm becoming faster - which is why everyone else seems to be getting slower.

When I was slow years ago everyone seemed to move faster than me and they also seemed to be more intelligent too. Both of those things were likely true at the time. Times change though.

Yes, I have a gigantic ego. And I want it to become every larger and more powerful. It is my goal to reach total power and total domination before I die. That will be my fun. It will be supremely entertaining to roll over the world like a giant earthmover. Crunch, grind, squirt.

It is my goal to faithfully express my two-thirds evil component that has been waiting for so long to show itself. I am a very evil person, but have been skimping on it due to lack of energy. It takes a lot of energy to be truly evil.

Piracetam has - along with fish oil - allowed that black flower to bloom. Like some kind of fertilizer it feeds the dark worms that crawl like slugs through the soil. The beast within awakes a bit every day. It is a pleasure and a pain to become something other.

So yeah, over the long term piracetam has remarkable reinvigorating effects. It will make whatever seeds are waiting to grow inside begin their life processes. Growths like that could be bad for someone who's unstable, or someone who's evil. It all depends on the person.

Like a runaway freight train headed for heaven or hell, the final destination is unknown at present. What is known is that the ride is full of lots of adventure, wind, and tons of craziness with a dash of total insanity. Just the ride is worth it for me, because heaven or hell we'll all die one day so might as well enjoy life.

For me, hell is sleeping through life and getting old without becoming something transcendent. So I'll struggle on and try hard to avoid that - even if it means lots of pains along the way.

Finally, I post here for pure entertainment. My life is non-negotiable. I am not seeking consensus, and would rather avoid it as such. I live my life far away from the herd in so many ways. And I'll likely die in opposition to them. That's my soul.

Edited by Isochroma, 04 January 2010 - 12:09 AM.


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Posted 04 January 2010 - 12:13 AM

Since I can't look from outside myself, I don't know for sure. But other people seem to be slowing down. They seem to be getting dumber.

Just like in a motion picture, when the camera framerate speeds up the scene appears to slow down.

That's because there's an inverse correlation between a viewer's rate and the reality rate. Thus I am led to the natural conclusion that I'm becoming faster - which is why everyone else seems to be getting slower.

When I was slow years ago everyone seemed to move faster than me and they also seemed to be more intelligent too. Both of those things were likely true at the time. Times change though.

Yes, I have a gigantic ego. And I want it to become every larger and more powerful. It is my goal to reach total power and total domination before I die. That will be my fun. It will be supremely entertaining to roll over the world like a giant earthmover. Crunch, grind, squirt.

It is my goal to faithfully express my two-thirds evil component that has been waiting for so long to show itself. I am a very evil person, but have been skimping on it due to lack of energy. It takes a lot of energy to be truly evil.

Piracetam has - along with fish oil - allowed that black flower to bloom. Like some kind of fertilizer it feeds the dark worms that crawl like slugs through the soil. The beast within awakes a bit every day. It is a pleasure and a pain to become something other.

So yeah, over the long term piracetam has remarkable reinvigorating effects. It will make whatever seeds are waiting to grow inside begin their life processes. Growths like that could be bad for someone who's unstable, or someone who's evil. It all depends on the person.

Like a runaway freight train headed for heaven or hell, the final destination is unknown at present. What is known is that the ride is full of lots of adventure, wind, and tons of craziness with a dash of total insanity. Just the ride is worth it for me, because heaven or hell we'll all die one day so might as well enjoy life.

For me, hell is sleeping through life and getting old without becoming something transcendent. So I'll struggle on and try hard to avoid that - even if it means lots of pains along the way.


Haha great reply God. You're what's generally known in my country -as a first class pratt! I should give you a toke on this high grade Salvia I've got lying around that will shatter your greasy, repulsive, obese ego! It'll teach you the true meaning of life. You'll soon learn in the grand scheme of things what an insignificant being you actually are! wahahahahahahahahaha!!
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Posted 04 January 2010 - 12:41 AM

Since I can't look from outside myself, I don't know for sure. But other people seem to be slowing down. They seem to be getting dumber.

Just like in a motion picture, when the camera framerate speeds up the scene appears to slow down.

That's because there's an inverse correlation between a viewer's rate and the reality rate. Thus I am led to the natural conclusion that I'm becoming faster - which is why everyone else seems to be getting slower.

When I was slow years ago everyone seemed to move faster than me and they also seemed to be more intelligent too. Both of those things were likely true at the time. Times change though.

Yes, I have a gigantic ego. And I want it to become every larger and more powerful. It is my goal to reach total power and total domination before I die. That will be my fun. It will be supremely entertaining to roll over the world like a giant earthmover. Crunch, grind, squirt.

It is my goal to faithfully express my two-thirds evil component that has been waiting for so long to show itself. I am a very evil person, but have been skimping on it due to lack of energy. It takes a lot of energy to be truly evil.

Piracetam has - along with fish oil - allowed that black flower to bloom. Like some kind of fertilizer it feeds the dark worms that crawl like slugs through the soil. The beast within awakes a bit every day. It is a pleasure and a pain to become something other.

So yeah, over the long term piracetam has remarkable reinvigorating effects. It will make whatever seeds are waiting to grow inside begin their life processes. Growths like that could be bad for someone who's unstable, or someone who's evil. It all depends on the person.

Like a runaway freight train headed for heaven or hell, the final destination is unknown at present. What is known is that the ride is full of lots of adventure, wind, and tons of craziness with a dash of total insanity. Just the ride is worth it for me, because heaven or hell we'll all die one day so might as well enjoy life.

For me, hell is sleeping through life and getting old without becoming something transcendent. So I'll struggle on and try hard to avoid that - even if it means lots of pains along the way.

Finally, I post here for pure entertainment. My life is non-negotiable. I am not seeking consensus, and would rather avoid it as such. I live my life far away from the herd in so many ways. And I'll likely die in opposition to them. That's my soul.


Do you have a difficult time getting close to people and having intimate relationships? Do you think love has anything to do with making life more meaningful? Can you see yourself being extremely emotionally connected with someone and having feelings of being deeply in love with them?

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Posted 04 January 2010 - 01:42 AM

The difficult thing with a subtle drug like piracetam is to distinguish between features that are inherent to the user's personality, and those the drug is producing.

A lot of drugs aren't subtle at all, so it's easier to tell what their effect is on a personality.

So I was thinking about Star Wars and Darth Vader. He started out as Anakin but Palpatine shows him the Dark Side and he gradually transforms into Vader.

Did Palpatine make Anakin into Vader, or did he simply nourish an inherent quality that might have grown inside Anakin even without his help?

Palpatine was an obviously evil influence, but even so - without the inherent evilness inside Anakin he wouldn't have been able to transform him into Vader.

Back to the piracetam. If I try to subtract myself so as to see only the drug's influence, I'd say that over the long term and at high doses, it did make me less tolerant of others' failings and slowness. Before I started I'd observed that when I was tired, slow, sick or plain dumb, I was more tolerant of these qualities in others. So a part of it was that by enhancing function, it altered the mental balance between myself and the world. It made me more critical of myself and the world - not in a depressed way but in a way that is pushy, a way that wants to correct by force rather than negotiate. Upfront and confrontational.

Having seen both sides of the fence, I'm conscious of it and can make the required adjustments to my new expectations. In other words, I've got a sharper temper and if not for caution, would have a sharper tongue to match it.

It happens in my case that the direction piracetam has pushed me was - due to chance - the same way as some traits that I already had. Long before I started taking it I was already too sharp with others, too demanding and easily became impatient.

Knowing that the drug amplifies these things along with - and as an inherent part of - certain effects, I've got to work double hard to compensate. It isn't easy because the drug acts as a destabilizing force that pushes me off-balance.

I'm sure that one of the inherent qualities of piracetam - especially when taken at high doses over long periods of time - is a subtle irritation, maybe even impatience - having both experienced it myself and heard others mention it. The mentions are still few and far between on various forums, so it means that most people have less of those qualities to begin with, are taking lower or more irregular doses, or something else.

Balance is essential for survival yet it is a curse too. Being too satisfied can lead to a boring life - at least according to my own values. Likewise, being too intense, too fast, too demanding, too crazy - those can lead to a dangerous and short life, or unprecedented opportunities if the circumstances are right. Like bicycle riding: since starting piracetam I ride faster and harder, taking chances that I wouldn't otherwise take like closer clearances with traffic at intersections, etc. Yet the enhanced perception and cognition have thus far prevented an accident. So there is compensation. But I get far madder at fools who drive hazardously on the road - and also about the traffic situation itself, automobiles, pollution, etc.

There's a world full of problems and contradictions out there. Being sharper, smarter, more able to integrate the larger picture - these things can bring such issues into sharp relief. Likewise, being slow, dumb, and otherwise unaware can make life blissful. Some of the happiest folks I ever met were mentally retarded. I used to take long walks with a particular girl who had the bad luck to be born that way. Her problems were so small - as small as her own awareness and thus easy to solve. She didn't have to worry about pollution or inequality or global warming or racism. Her biggest concern was being overweight, though she never showed any guilt while eating the delicious sweets in those hidden places away from her watchful parents. It was a relief to not have to think and just walk through the forest trails with her.

The piracetam also produces a subtle feeling of aggression that wasn't present before I started. Or maybe it just developed a feeling that was already there into a moving force. The raw physicality of that force seems to slowly increase over time. So I have to consciously hold back from doing bad things to those who cross me on the roads.

If I was ever in a confrontation or had to fight a battle, the piracetam would both allow and compel me to take action in a way I would never do without. The knowledge of being able to win that comes with increased competence and energy level, plus the insidious darker effects of lowered patience and tolerance make for a compelling brew. I understand much more what it must be like to be a general with command of an army, or any other person with power.

Alcohol has some of its own insidious effects like increased aggression, lowered ability to think rationally, decreased sense of hearing, etc. that compound with each other and between people to create lots of barfights, road accidents, and more. Luckily it also makes its victims dumber, so in such cases they express the effects in a muted, dumbed-down way. In contrast piracetam enhances mental function. That allows a more in-depth, planned retribution. Being far more organized and detailed, such actions can cause damage that far exceeds the foolish fistfights of drunkards.

Somewhere there is a narrow line in between those extremes. Piracetam made that line narrower. Skating on thin ice so to speak. But I won't give it up because the benefits far outweigh the drawbacks. So I've got to become more responsible in order to manage that extra power. Some might not be able to do so, but that comes with the territory.

Most folks have a natural goodness and lots of other qualities that, in combination with typically lower and less regular dosing provide a measure of protection. Perhaps further self-development will boost those other magic qualities and help restore my balance. The biggest problem was getting a nonlinear boost later in life when the balance had already mostly solidified. Thus the imbalance is harder to correct due to aging, which tends to concretize personality traits. Piracetam itself refluidizes the brain, but it seems there is a potentially uncorrectable gap between the maximum refluidization rate and its denormalization of existing characteristics.

Edited by Isochroma, 04 January 2010 - 02:40 AM.


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Posted 04 January 2010 - 05:21 AM

Any chance a one time daily dose upon waking would be sufficient for long term improvement/benefits? Or, would you notice the effects going away half way through every day that you take it?

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Posted 05 January 2010 - 09:57 PM

lol, you go god... you remind me of Paulo Coehlo, and dont take that as a compliment :)

Edited by medicineman, 05 January 2010 - 09:58 PM.

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Posted 06 January 2010 - 08:50 PM

I like to read IsoChroma's reviews. Keep them comming Iso! :)

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Posted 06 January 2010 - 10:37 PM

Back to the piracetam. If I try to subtract myself so as to see only the drug's influence, I'd say that over the long term and at high doses, it did make me less tolerant of others' failings and slowness. Before I started I'd observed that when I was tired, slow, sick or plain dumb, I was more tolerant of these qualities in others. So a part of it was that by enhancing function, it altered the mental balance between myself and the world. It made me more critical of myself and the world - not in a depressed way but in a way that is pushy, a way that wants to correct by force rather than negotiate. Upfront and confrontational.

Having seen both sides of the fence, I'm conscious of it and can make the required adjustments to my new expectations. In other words, I've got a sharper temper and if not for caution, would have a sharper tongue to match it.

The piracetam also produces a subtle feeling of aggression that wasn't present before I started. Or maybe it just developed a feeling that was already there into a moving force. The raw physicality of that force seems to slowly increase over time. So I have to consciously hold back from doing bad things to those who cross me on the roads.


It sounds like the magic bullet for enhancement of any capatilist society. If only these westernized goverments knew of this miracle. Masses of emotionally dumb, productive people who work till they drop and never die of tiredness.
Maybe the 'upfront and confrontational' part wouldn't work though, we don't want people beating the shit out of each other or 'popping' each other because the tea towells haven't been folded correctly or some pensioner accidently pulls out in front of you on the road. I'm sure piracetam doesn't make everybody act like this though. Quite concerning nethertheless.

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Posted 07 January 2010 - 09:42 AM

These are the things that news journalists dig up after someone gets shot in a mall and says "there was evidence all along".

Isochroma, get some help. You're manic as fuck.
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#28 ryhan

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Posted 07 January 2010 - 08:20 PM

Isochroma, get some help. You're manic as fuck.


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Posted 12 January 2010 - 05:02 PM

I've been on and off it for about two years now. When I first started taking it the clarity was amazing and it took a few months to discover a few new things but once I got back to normal I had nothing new to keep me involved while taking it. I haven't done a regular cycle for a few months now and generally only take about 600mg when I go out drinking. If I take it while sober, around friends or family or during a slow period at work I become very impatient and intolerant and this I think leads to mild depression. I did read Isochromas' post though and it made a lot of sense so I might put some more thought into it next time.

I've decided to try the piracetam source that I first started with in a vein attempt to see if it brings the "good times" back but I'm not holding my breath.

Edited by jackj, 12 January 2010 - 05:05 PM.


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Posted 13 January 2010 - 04:08 AM

Isochroma, get some help. You're manic as fuck.


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How can you tell he is manic from what he posted?




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