Well, I have tried pretty much everything but I don't get to the level you describe, even taking about a dozen supplements every day. Much better, yes, but it's still not as good as taking adderall.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that there isn't a 100% sure-fire way to
cure myself, but there's a certain permanently-long-term list of benefits I keep finding that closely resemble pretty much about everything I've been looking for in treating my ADHD (I only have a mild/moderate case of it), so to someone like me, these could provide a lot of benefit; perhaps even a second or third-rate "fix" if I respond well. However, you're quite right: Adderall is a fantastic treatment. Sometimes, though, I believe the toll it will be taking on my body will be directly proportional to the benefits that I currently get from it.
what is your nootropic stack?
And Also, where did you read about shaky hands as a result of amphetamine use? I've got that too, can't hold my arm horizontally without a slight tremor.
Hey, I didn't actually "read" about the shaky hands, but have been experiencing a bit of it first-hand. Also, I have some friends who have done quite a bit of amphetamines (not necessarily adderall... more like meth) and some of them have a hard time just holding a salt-shaker steady &whatnot. I've come to the conclusion that it essentially.... fucks up your nerves.
But that's besides the fact, there's a lot of literature out there that talks about the permanent nerve damage of amphetamines. I just never bothered to look for them, because it's pretty easy to see that the amphetamines are doing just that to me and everyone I know that uses them.
My stack is:
Piracetam
Centrophenoxine
L-Huperzine A (once in a while)
Sulbutamine
On Mondays through Fridays, I've found 3600mg to be quite fine 3 to 4 times daily. If I go with 3 times, I usually take 1800mg for the first dose w/breakfast and then just 900 twice more throughout the day. On weekends, I go with 5400mg spaced 3-4 times, going with 2700mg along w/breakfast, 1800mg at lunch, and the last 900 after dinner, or right before sleep (so I can have that lovely feeling of 900mg Piracetam flowing through me during sleep. I've found it's quite lovely to wake up too, as well.)
I use Centrophenoxine mainly as a choline source, however, I've also found that it's combination with Piracetam to be AMAZING. Then again, I've never actually just
tried Piracetam
without Centrophenoxine (after reading 948759845 threads with people complaining of splitting headaches due to choline shortage from the Piracetam working it overtime.) My current ratio is 1:4 for Cent (i.e. 800mg p/day w/3600mg Piracetam), however, I'm considering experimenting around with it, seeing as the common "nootropic dose" for Cent seems to be in the 1000-3000mg range. But regardless of whether or not Cent is an efficient choline source, its combo with Pi has been working splendidly for me.
I bought a bottle of L-Huperzine A a while ago, and just recently tried it. It may be that my body is just responding well to it, but... holy shit. That's all I have to say. That "elephant memory" that I read about... 100% true in my case w/Hup. I also managed to have a... very... vivid lucid dream the first time I tried it before going to sleep. On that note, to anyone to might be taking L-Hup, I truly *DO* reccomend splitting it up into 4 administrations throughout the day. Maybe not necessarily the maximum 400mcg that can be taken, but 4 admins in the day (w/the last one right before sleep) had a decidedly positive effect on me that was way better than 3 admins.
At the moment, I'm adding in a new Noot once every 2 or 3 weeks. I've *tried* Sulbutamine only once, and it's the next Noot to be added to my regimen. Just from trying it once, I know that this will be one I enjoy thoroughly. But if this godforsaken Idebenone will arrive in the mail before Thursday (the 2-week, new-noot markpoint) then I just might put that in front of Sul.
Check out my log on here if you want. I should be making an in-depth post concluding my first 2 weeks soon.
-Pike