Reading through this forum and other places and I've seen a lot on this topic. To start off with, my sister is schizophrenic and I am "at risk" according to a psychiatrist I had. After readining this post I realize that things about me that I thought were random or just there are totally not in anyway normal. When I was 6-10 years old my mom used to have to sleep in the same room as me...I've always been afraid of the dark and always felt "presences" when I'm alone. I thought I got rid of these in my teen years but since I've started meditating (about a year now) I realized I just blocked it off. In doing this I just caused myself relentless insomnia. I'm dealing with it now but it's still difficult. My sister is worse and often hears voices that sometimes tell her to do bad things. I'm wondering if DHEA can help, and what else I can do. I'm also worried about the hormonal effects of DHEA, but for all the theory there hasn't been a study to show any negative effects. And beyond DHEA, what could help my sister and I?

DHEA and Schizophrenia
#1
Posted 24 February 2008 - 07:47 AM
Reading through this forum and other places and I've seen a lot on this topic. To start off with, my sister is schizophrenic and I am "at risk" according to a psychiatrist I had. After readining this post I realize that things about me that I thought were random or just there are totally not in anyway normal. When I was 6-10 years old my mom used to have to sleep in the same room as me...I've always been afraid of the dark and always felt "presences" when I'm alone. I thought I got rid of these in my teen years but since I've started meditating (about a year now) I realized I just blocked it off. In doing this I just caused myself relentless insomnia. I'm dealing with it now but it's still difficult. My sister is worse and often hears voices that sometimes tell her to do bad things. I'm wondering if DHEA can help, and what else I can do. I'm also worried about the hormonal effects of DHEA, but for all the theory there hasn't been a study to show any negative effects. And beyond DHEA, what could help my sister and I?
#2
Posted 23 May 2009 - 03:31 AM
1: Biol Psychiatry. 2004 Mar 1;55(5):452-6. Links
Glycine transporter I inhibitor, N-methylglycine (sarcosine), added to antipsychotics for the treatment of schizophrenia.
Tsai G, Lane HY, Yang P, Chong MY, Lange N.
Laboratory of Molecular and Psychiatric Neuroscience (GT), McLean Hospital and Harvard Medical School, Boston, Massachusetts 02478, USA.
BACKGROUND: Hypofunction of N-methyl-D-aspartate glutamate receptor had been implicated in the pathophysiology of schizophrenia. Treatment with D-serine or glycine, endogenous full agonists of the glycine site of N-methyl-D-aspartate receptor, or D-cycloserine, a partial agonist, improve the symptoms of schizophrenia. N-methylglycine (sarcosine) is an endogenous antagonist of glycine transporter-1, which potentiates glycine's action on N-methyl-D-aspartate glycine site and can have beneficial effects on schizophrenia. METHODS: Thirty-eight schizophrenic patients were enrolled in a 6-week double-blind, placebo-controlled trial of sarcosine (2 g/d), which was added to their stable antipsychotic regimens. Twenty of them received risperidone. Measures of clinical efficacy and side effects were determined every other week. RESULTS: Patient who received sarcosine treatment revealed significant improvements in their positive, negative, cognitive, and general psychiatric symptoms. Similar therapeutic effects were observed when only risperidone-treated patients were analyzed. Sarcosine was well-tolerated, and no significant side effect was noted. CONCLUSIONS: Sarcosine treatment can benefit schizophrenic patients treated by antipsychotics including risperidone. The significant improvement with the sarcosine further supports the hypothesis of N-methyl-D-aspartate receptor hypofunction in schizophrenia. Glycine transporter-1 is a novel target for the pharmacotherapy to enhance N-methyl-D-aspartate function.
PMID: 15023571 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
1: Arch Gen Psychiatry. 2005 Nov;62(11):1196-204. Links
Comment in:
Evid Based Ment Health. 2006 May;9(2):48.
Sarcosine or D-serine add-on treatment for acute exacerbation of schizophrenia: a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled study.
Lane HY, Chang YC, Liu YC, Chiu CC, Tsai GE.
Department of Psychiatry, China Medical University and Hospital, Taichung, Taiwan.
CONTEXT: Agents that enhance N-methyl-D-aspartate (NMDA) function through the glycine modulatory site (D-serine, glycine, or D-cycloserine) or through glycine transporter 1 (sarcosine) improve the symptoms of patients with stable chronic schizophrenia. OBJECTIVE: To determine whether NMDA-glycine site agonists or glycine transporter-1 inhibitors have better efficacy and whether NMDA receptor-enhancing agents have beneficial effects for acute exacerbation of schizophrenia. DESIGN: Randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial. SETTING: Inpatient units of 2 major medical centers in Taiwan.Patients Sixty-five schizophrenic inpatients with acute exacerbation. INTERVENTIONS: Six weeks of treatment with sarcosine (2 g/d), D-serine (2 g/d), or placebo and concomitant optimal risperidone therapy. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: Positive and Negative Syndrome Scale (PANSS) and Scale for the Assessment of Negative Symptoms (SANS) (20 and 17 items) total scores. RESULTS: The sarcosine group revealed more reductions in PANSS total scores than the placebo (P = .04) and D-serine (P<.001) groups. Sarcosine adjunctive treatment was also superior to placebo in reducing SANS-20 (P = .007) and SANS-17 (P = .003) scores and to D-serine in decreasing SANS-20 (P = .006) and SANS-17 (P = .002) scores. The PANSS-general, PANSS-cognitive, and PANSS-depressive symptoms scores and SANS-alogia and SANS-blunted affect scores improved significantly more in sarcosine-cotreated patients than in risperidone monotherapy patients (P< or =.02 for all). Sarcosine adjunctive therapy also surpassed D-serine in terms of PANSS-general, PANSS-positive, PANSS-negative, and PANSS-depressive symptoms scores (P< or =.04 for all). D-serine and risperidone cotreatment did not differ significantly from risperidone monotherapy in all efficacy domains. CONCLUSIONS: This first short-term treatment study on NMDA receptor-enhancing agents suggests that sarcosine, superior to D-serine, can benefit not only patients with long-term stable disease but also acutely ill persons with schizophrenia. This finding indicates that a glycine transporter 1 inhibitor may be more efficacious than NMDA-glycine site agonists for adjuvant treatment of schizophrenia, at least during the acute phase. Further studies are needed.
PMID: 16275807 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Adding sarcosine, but not D-serine, to risperidone improves symptoms in people with acute phase schizophrenia.
Heresco-Levy U.
Evid Based Ment Health. 2006 May;9(2):48. No abstract available.
PMID: 16638897 [PubMed]
1: Brain Res Bull. 2006 May 31;69(6):626-30. Epub 2006 Mar 30. Links
Modulatory effects of d-serine and sarcosine on NMDA receptor-mediated neurotransmission are apparent after stress in the genetically inbred BALB/c mouse strain.
Long KD, Mastropaolo J, Rosse RB, Manaye KF, Deutsch SI.
Mental Health Service Line, Department of Veterans Affairs Medical Center, 50 Irving Street NW, Washington, DC 20422, USA.
Abnormalities of NMDA receptor-mediated neurotransmission are involved in the pathophysiology of schizophrenia, Alzheimer's disease, substance abuse and seizure disorders. The NMDA receptor is implicated in schizophrenia because phencyclidine (PCP), a noncompetitive NMDA receptor antagonist, binds to a hydrophobic domain within the channel, precipitating a schizophreniform psychosis in susceptible persons. Pharmacological, environmental, and genetic variables alter NMDA receptor-mediated neurotransmission. Inbred mouse strains differ in their sensitivity to some of the behavioral effects of MK-801 (dizocilpine), a PCP analogue. The NMDA receptor complex in the BALB/c strain could reflect a unique stoichiometric combination of receptor subunits resulting in a higher proportion of the channels in the open configuration, a higher affinity of MK-801 for its hydrophobic channel domain, and/or a combination of the above. The BALB/c mouse strain, "stressed" mice, and behavioral consequences of MK-801 administration represent models of altered glutamatergic neural transmission. We were interested in examining the effect of stress on the modulatory properties of d-serine and sarcosine. d-Serine is a naturally occurring glycine agonist that modulates the ability of l-glutamate to influence the opening of the NMDA receptor-associated ionophore, and sarcosine is a naturally occurring glycine reuptake inhibitor. The data suggest that 24h after stress, d-serine and sarcosine interact synergistically to reduce MK-801's ability to antagonize electrically precipitated tonic hindlimb extension. Under conditions of stress, modulatory effects of d-serine and sarcosine on the antiseizure effect of MK-801 are observed that are not apparent in the nonstress condition. The results could be relevant to the development of glycinergic interventions for the treatment of neuropsychiatric disorders.
PMID: 16716829 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
1: Biol Psychiatry. 2006 Sep 15;60(6):645-9. Epub 2006 Jun 14. Links
Glycine transporter I inhibitor, N-methylglycine (sarcosine), added to clozapine for the treatment of schizophrenia.
Lane HY, Huang CL, Wu PL, Liu YC, Chang YC, Lin PY, Chen PW, Tsai G.
Department of Psychiatry, China Medical University and Hospital, Taichung, Taiwan.
BACKGROUND: Agonists at the N-methyl-D-aspartate (NMDA)-glycine site (D-serine, glycine, D-alanine and D-cycloserine) and glycine transporter-1 (GlyT-1) inhibitor (N-methylglycine, or called sarcosine) both improve the symptoms of stable chronic schizophrenia patients receiving concurrent antipsychotics. Previous studies, however, found no advantage of D-serine, glycine, or D-cycloserine added to clozapine. The present study aims to determine the effects of sarcosine adjuvant therapy for schizophrenic patients receiving clozapine treatment. METHODS: Twenty schizophrenic inpatients enrolled in a 6-week double-blind, placebo-controlled trial of sarcosine (2 g/day) which was added to their stable doses of clozapine. Measures of clinical efficacy and side-effects were determined every other week. RESULTS: Sarcosine produced no greater improvement when co-administered with clozapine than placebo plus clozapine at weeks 2, 4, and 6. Sarcosine was well tolerated and no significant side-effect was noted. CONCLUSIONS: Unlike patients treated with other antipsychotics, patients who received clozapine treatment exhibit no improvement by adding sarcosine or agonists at the NMDA-glycine site. Clozapine possesses particular efficacy, possibly related to potentiation of NMDA-mediated neurotransmission. This may contribute to the clozapine's unique clinical efficacy and refractoriness to the addition of NMDA-enhancing agents.
PMID: 16780811 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
1: Curr Top Med Chem. 2006;6(17):1883-96. Links
Progress in the preparation and testing of glycine transporter type-1 (GlyT1) inhibitors.
Lindsley CW, Wolkenberg SE, Kinney GG.
Medicinal Chemistry, Merck Research Laboratories, West Point, PA 19486, USA.
Clinically utilized antipsychotic agents share as a common mechanism the ability to antagonize dopamine D2 receptors and it is widely assumed that this activity contributes to their efficacy against the positive symptoms of schizophrenia. The efficacy of currently marketed antipsychotic agents on the negative and cognitive symptoms of this disease, however, is not optimal. One alternate hypothesis to the "dopamine hypothesis" of schizophrenia derives from the observation that antagonists of NMDA receptor activity better mimic the symptomatology of schizophrenia in its entirety than do dopamine agonists. Findings from this line of research have led to the NMDA receptor hypofunction (or glutamate dysfunction) hypothesis of schizophrenia, which complements existing research implicating dopamine dysfunction in the disease. According to the NMDA receptor hypofunction hypothesis, any treatment that enhances NMDA receptor activity may prove useful for the treatment of the complex symptoms that define schizophrenia. This idea is now supported by numerous clinical studies that have reported an efficacious response following treatment with activators of the NMDA receptor co-agonist glycineB site. One area of study, aimed at potentiating the NMDA receptor via activation of the glycineB site is small molecule blockade of the glycine reuptake transporter type 1 (GlyT1). Broadly, these efforts have focused on derivatives of the substrate inhibitor, sarcosine, and non-sarcosine based GlyT1 inhibitors. Accordingly, the following review discusses the development of both sarcosine and non-sarcosine based GlyT1 inhibitors and their current status as putative treatments for schizophrenia and other disorders associated with NMDA receptor hypoactivity.
PMID: 17017963 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
1: Neuropharmacology. 2007 Jun;52(8):1586-95. Epub 2007 Mar 14. Links
Glycine-induced long-term synaptic potentiation is mediated by the glycine transporter GLYT1.
Igartua I, Solís JM, Bustamante J.
Servicio de Neurobiología-Investigación, Hospital Ramón y Cajal, 28034 Madrid, Spain.
The negative symptoms of schizophrenia are reverted by treatment with glycine or other agonists of the glycine-B site which facilitate NMDA receptor function. On the other hand, there are experimental observations showing that exogenous application of glycine (0.5-10mM) results in a long-lasting potentiation of glutamatergic synaptic transmission (LTP-GLY). The characterization of the mechanisms underlying LTP-GLY could be useful to develop new therapies for schizophrenia. The main goal of this work is to deepen the understanding of this potentiation phenomenon. The present study demonstrates in rat hippocampal slices that superfusion of glycine 1mM during 30 min produces a potentiation of excitatory postsynaptic potentials in CA3-CA1 pathway lasting at least 1h. Glycine application does not modify neither presynaptic fiber volley nor paired-pulse facilitation of synaptic potentials. This LTP-GLY is independent of both strychnine-sensitive glycine receptors and nifedipine-sensitive calcium channels. Interestingly, LTP-GLY is not inhibited but strengthened by NMDA receptors antagonists such as AP-5 or MK-801. In contrast, LTP-GLY is partially or totally blocked with the antagonists of glycine transporter GLYT1, sarcosine or ALX-5407, respectively. These results indicate that LTP-GLY requires the activation of GLYT1, a glycine transporter co-localized and associated to NMDA receptors. In addition, the fact that NMDA receptor inhibition increases LTP-GLY magnitude, opens the possibility that these receptors could have a negative control on GLYT1 activity.
PMID: 17462677 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
1: Biol Psychiatry. 2008 Jan 1;63(1):9-12. Epub 2007 Jul 20. Links
Comment in:
Curr Psychiatry Rep. 2008 Apr;10(2):137.
Sarcosine (N-methylglycine) treatment for acute schizophrenia: a randomized, double-blind study.
Lane HY, Liu YC, Huang CL, Chang YC, Liau CH, Perng CH, Tsai GE.
Department of Psychiatry, China Medical University and Hospital, Taichung, Taiwan.
BACKGROUND: Small molecules that enhance the N-methyl-D-aspartate (NMDA) neurotransmission have been shown to be beneficial as adjuvant therapy for schizophrenia. Among these compounds, sarcosine (a glycine transporter-I inhibitor), when added to an existing regimen of antipsychotic drugs, has shown its efficacy for both chronically stable and acutely ill patients. However, the efficacy of these agents as a primary antipsychotic agent has not yet been demonstrated. METHODS: Twenty acutely symptomatic drug-free patients with schizophrenia were randomly assigned under double-blind conditions to receive a 6-week trial of 2 g or 1 g of sarcosine daily. RESULTS: Overall, patients in the 2-g group were more likely to respond as defined by a 20% or more reduction of the Positive and Negative Syndrome Scale total score, particularly among antipsychotic-naïve patients. However, there was no significant between-group difference in the sarcosine dose x time interaction analysis. Both doses were well tolerated with minimal side effects. CONCLUSIONS: Although patients receiving the 2-g daily dose were more likely to respond, it requires further clarification whether the effect is limited to the antipsychotic-naive population. Future placebo- or active-controlled, larger-sized studies are needed to fully assess sarcosine's effects.
PMID: 17659263 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
1: Eur Arch Psychiatry Clin Neurosci. 2008 Feb;258(1):16-27. Epub 2007 Sep 27.
Potentiation of the NMDA receptor in the treatment of schizophrenia: focused on the glycine site.
Shim SS, Hammonds MD, Kee BS.
Case Western Reserve University School of Medicine, Department of Psychiatry, Cleveland VA Medical Center Psychiatric Services 116 A(W), Cleveland, Ohio 44106, USA. seong.shim@med.va.gov
N-methyl-D-aspartate receptor (NMDAR) hypo-function theory of schizophrenia proposes that impairment in NMDAR function be associated with the pathophysiology of schizophrenia and suggests that enhancement of the receptor function may produce efficacy for schizophrenia. Consistent with this theory, for the last decade, clinical trials have demonstrated that the enhancement of NMDAR function by potentiating the glycine site of the receptor is efficacious in the treatment of schizophrenia. Full agonists of the glycine site, glycine and D-serine and a glycine transporter-1 inhibitor, sarcosine, added to antipsychotic drugs, have been shown to be effective in the treatment of negative symptoms and possibly cognitive symptoms without significantly affecting the positive symptoms of schizophrenia. A partial agonist of the glycine site, D-cycloserine, added to antipsychotic drugs, can be effective for the negative symptoms at the therapeutic doses. However, these drugs have not shown clinical efficacy when added to clozapine, suggesting that the interactions of clozapine and the glycine site potentiators may be different from those of other antipsychotic drugs and the potentiators. This article suggests that the glycine site potentiators may produce efficacy for negative and cognitive symptoms by blocking apoptosis-like neuropathological processes in patients with chronic schizophrenia and thereby can deter progressive deterioration of the disorder. This article proposes a polypharmacy of glycine site potentiators augmented with antipsychotic drugs to control positive and negative symptoms in a synergistic manner and block deterioration in schizophrenia. Since the NMDAR complex consists of multiple sites modulating receptor functions, the efficacy of glycine site potentiators for schizophrenia suggests the possibility that manipulation of other modulating sites of the NMDAR can also be efficacious in the treatment of schizophrenia.
PMID: 17901997 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
1: J Physiol. 2009 May 11. [Epub ahead of print] Links
The glycine transport inhibitor sarcosine is an NMDA receptor co-agonist that differs from glycine.
Zhang HX, Hyrc K, Thio LL.
Washington University.
Sarcosine is an amino acid involved in one-carbon metabolism and a promising therapy for schizophrenia because it enhances NMDA receptor (NMDAR) function by inhibiting glycine uptake. The structural similarity between sarcosine and glycine led us to hypothesize that sarcosine is also an agonist like glycine. We examined this possibility using whole-cell recordings from cultured embryonic mouse hippocampal neurons. We found that sarcosine is an NMDAR co-agonist at the glycine binding site. However, sarcosine differed from glycine because less NMDAR desensitization occurred with sarcosine than with glycine as the co-agonist. This finding led us to examine whether the physiological effects of NMDAR activation with these two co-agonists are the same. The difference in desensitization probably accounts for rises in intracellular Ca(2+), as assessed by the fluorescent indicator fura-FF, being larger when NMDAR activation occurred with sarcosine than with glycine. In addition, Ca(2+) activated K(+) currents following NMDAR activation were larger with sarcosine than with glycine. Compared to glycine, NMDAR mediated autaptic currents decayed faster with sarcosine suggesting that NMDAR deactivation also differs with these two co-agonists. Despite these differences, NMDAR dependent neuronal death as assessed by propidium iodide was similar with both co-agonists. The same was true for neuronal bursting. Thus, sarcosine may enhance NMDAR function by more than one mechanism and may have different effects from other NMDAR co-agonists.
PMID: 19433577 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]
Edited by Visionary7903, 23 May 2009 - 03:32 AM.
#3
Posted 23 May 2009 - 03:52 AM
Why not try nicotine patch for starters? Also glycine, phenibut, glutamine all come to mind.
#4
Posted 23 May 2009 - 05:27 AM
bgwithadd, I'm curious to know why you suggested the nicotine patch. I'm assuming it was because you read about the same thing I did
#5
Posted 23 May 2009 - 05:47 AM
Edited by morganator, 23 May 2009 - 05:51 AM.
#6
Posted 23 May 2009 - 06:08 AM
The nicotine patch may be a good idea. I read somewhere that smoker's were less likely to develop schizophrenia. Sorry I don't remember where I read that. Also, never ever ever smoke marijuana as it has been identified as a possible trigger. There is so much more they are finding out about schizophrenia and preventative measures. I would just search the hell out of the internet and go the the library and do as much research as possible.
bgwithadd, I'm curious to know why you suggested the nicotine patch. I'm assuming it was because you read about the same thing I did
That and a lot more. Pretty much all schizophrenics become big smokers as it's one of the few things to help.
There are a few drugs that help, too, but I am drawing a blank at the moment.
#7
Posted 24 May 2009 - 03:29 PM
Two interesting side effects came from this work on schizophrenics. Working with others he discovered in 1957 it immediately and almost completely reverses schizophrenic or psychotic-like episodes in those who have overdosed on psychedelics like LSD and shrooms. This is fairly well-known and I can vouch for 1 gram of niacin completely reversing a bad trip. I couldn't find references to niacin being used to treat other serotonin-like overdoses as in prozac and zoloft. More importantly, Hoffer was the first to discover it reduced cholesterol and first published on it in 1955. It's still the best known way to raise HDL (about 10%) and lower LDL (about 35%). I emailed Dr Hoffer back in about 1997 why papers were published that said it might be harmful to the liver. He wrote that after 40 years of giving thousands of people 3 to 6 g/d that he had never saw a problem. Many were his patients for decades. He said he would have been shut down if he had tried to do this in the U.S. (as some doctors were). Luckily, he worked in Canada, and therefore his papers were not blocked by the AMA. He retired in 2006 at the age of 88 but is still publishing books. The craigslist founder takes massive amounts everyday. One important reason Pauling got interested in vitamins is that he was shocked to read about Hoffer safely and beneficially giving patients 300 times the RDA for schizophrenia.
Here are complete papers from Hoffer on niacin back in the 1950s (3 g/d lowers cholesterol 26% in 2 weeks, safe after 3 years):
http://www.pubmedcen...mp;blobtype=pdf
http://www.pubmedcen...mp;blobtype=pdf
http://www.pubmedcen...mp;blobtype=pdf
Here's one on niacin arthitis too, but Hoffer wasn't the one who discovered it (Kaufman in 1943)
http://ukpmc.ac.uk/p...mp;blobtype=pdf
Other papers are out there.
Niacin is still being ignored eventhough we know it works great, so it makes me wonder if it might prevent schizophrenia too. In all this, I am referring to nicotinic acid form only. Not time release or slow release or any special preparations from pharmaceuticals which are know to cause liver problems.
From wiki:
In pharmacological doses niacin has been proven to reduce total cholesterol, triglyceride, very-low-density lipoprotein, low-density lipoprotein, and increase high-density lipoprotein levels (Kamanna et al., 2008). Niacin, prescribed in doses between 1000 and 2000 mg two to three times daily, [14] blocks the breakdown of fats in adipose tissue, more specifically the very-low-density lipoprotein (VLDL), precursor of low-density lipoprotein (LDL) or "bad" cholesterol. Because niacin blocks breakdown of fats, it causes a decrease in free fatty acids in the blood and, as a consequence, decreased secretion of VLDL and cholesterol by the liver.[15]
By lowering VLDL levels, niacin also increases the level of high-density lipoprotein (HDL) or "good" cholesterol in blood, and therefore it is sometimes prescribed for patients with low HDL, who are also at high risk of a heart attack.http://en.wikipedia....pmid15842130-15http://en.wikipedia....-pmid3782631-16
#8
Posted 24 May 2009 - 07:44 PM
Sleep at least 7-8 hours a day, have social connections, avoid stress and avoid dopaminergics, in order to avoid the 4 major established risk factors for schizophrenia.
To avoid dopaminergics: also stay away from alcohol, do take but don't overdose fish oil (dopaminergic in large quantities!), stay away from ergots (hydergine/nicergoline), Mucuna pruriens, bacopa, deprenyl/selegiline and new nootropics unless you 100% ruled out that they do not affect dopamine levels.
As scientifically unsupported advice: limit daily intake of funny pictures and flash movies on the internet. :-P
PS:
That seems to be problematic. Don't do serious long-term medidation if you're classified as at risk of schizophrenia. 10-20 minutes a day are good, but don't go for longer meditation, a Sesshin etc. Meditation induces dopamine, and thus a risk if you're predispositioned to schizophrenia: http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/11958969 A friend I know who never had signs of it had a first hospitalization several months after he took up serious meditation.started meditating
Edited by mixter, 24 May 2009 - 07:49 PM.
#9
Posted 24 May 2009 - 09:28 PM
Vitamin D should be the most important thing for schizophrenia prevention (http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/15006495), and it regulates not only developmental relevant genes but also the immune system, which is known to play some role in the etiology.
Sleep at least 7-8 hours a day, have social connections, avoid stress and avoid dopaminergics, in order to avoid the 4 major established risk factors for schizophrenia.
To avoid dopaminergics: also stay away from alcohol, do take but don't overdose fish oil (dopaminergic in large quantities!), stay away from ergots (hydergine/nicergoline), Mucuna pruriens, bacopa, deprenyl/selegiline and new nootropics unless you 100% ruled out that they do not affect dopamine levels.
As scientifically unsupported advice: limit daily intake of funny pictures and flash movies on the internet. :-P
PS:That seems to be problematic. Don't do serious long-term medidation if you're classified as at risk of schizophrenia. 10-20 minutes a day are good, but don't go for longer meditation, a Sesshin etc. Meditation induces dopamine, and thus a risk if you're predispositioned to schizophrenia: http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/11958969 A friend I know who never had signs of it had a first hospitalization several months after he took up serious meditation.started meditating
gah. schizophrenia is at least as much about low DA as high. 'yoga' is probably better than meditation. and social connections are the most improtant thing.
#10
Posted 24 May 2009 - 11:19 PM
#11
Posted 24 May 2009 - 11:37 PM
Reading through this forum and other places and I've seen a lot on this topic. To start off with, my sister is schizophrenic and I am "at risk" according to a psychiatrist I had. After readining this post I realize that things about me that I thought were random or just there are totally not in anyway normal. When I was 6-10 years old my mom used to have to sleep in the same room as me...I've always been afraid of the dark and always felt "presences" when I'm alone. I thought I got rid of these in my teen years but since I've started meditating (about a year now) I realized I just blocked it off. In doing this I just caused myself relentless insomnia.
I don't think meditation is always helpful for people who are dealing with mental illnesses, and in some circumstance might even aggravate the problem.
#12
Posted 20 October 2009 - 09:22 PM
Sorry guys, I know this is an older post, butDo a search for Newbold and Orthmolecular, he wrote a book that has a supplement regimen for treating Schizophrenia. I hope that helps you.
I agree that meditation is definitely NOT always the best option. and agree that it can exaberate the condition.
Reason being that I used to meditate a lot and I found it made me experience strange things like feeling 'energies' around me [uncomfortably], also seemed to make me less clear headed if anything, antisocial, spaced out. Even though that probably sounds contradictory to some people, it's true that it happens. And i definitely wouldn't go to say that it always indefinitely happens, but I'm not a huge advocate of meditation as a special cure all.
#13
Posted 21 October 2009 - 12:49 AM
#14
Posted 21 October 2009 - 06:46 AM
http://www.lef.org/m...2007_atd_01.htmI emailed Dr Hoffer back in about 1997 why papers were published that said it might be harmful to the liver. He wrote that after 40 years of giving thousands of people 3 to 6 g/d that he had never saw a problem. Many were his patients for decades.
suggests that only with time-release forms of niacin were causing liver problem.
regards..
#15
Posted 04 January 2010 - 11:10 AM
Openness and extraversion are associated with reduced latent inhibition: replication and commentary
Jordan B. Petersona,*, Kathleen W. Smith, Shelley Carson
Received 29 June 2001; received in revised form 1 November 2001; accepted 18 December 2001
[from the full text at:
http://brain-trainin...3A_fZ7S-EPMKKpD
...This would make the individual predisposed to schizophrenia suffering, in principle, from the
pathological and possibly synergistic combination of excess experiential, ideational or associational
variability, and a decrement in methods of selecting from that excess, while the healthy,
open and creative individual would be characterized by a broader gate and careful post-experience
selection and culling...
The full text of the below abstract is at: http://www.sciencedi...8646b86c2481f67
Differentiating attention deficit in adult ADHD and schizophrenia
Jens Egeland
Accepted 6 June 2007. Available online 20 July 2007.
Abstract
Most previous studies of attention deficit in ADHD and schizophrenia have used overall measures of inattention that may disguise differences in underlying mechanisms. The present study investigated types of inattentive errors and applied a process view of attention in analyses of Conners’ Continuous Performance Test protocols from subjects with ADHD-combined (51), inattentive type (19) and schizophrenia (26). Subjects with ADHD-I had more omission errors and became more inattentive as a function of time on task. Subjects with ADHD-C made more errors of commissions as time passed. In contrast, the performance of the subjects with schizophrenia improved, indicating a training effect. There were no differences in overall attentiveness between the groups.
Although all groups were impaired on an overall level, they displayed three distinct patterns of inattention. The ADHD-I group displayed a lethargic inattention characterized by high fatigue. The ADHD-C group showed a hyperactive-impulsive pattern, while the schizophrenia group showed an inability to initially focus attention.
Keywords: ADHD-C; ADHD-I; Schizophrenia; Sustained attention; Hyperactivity-impulsivity; Continuous performance test
Contrasts in memory functions between adolescents with schizophrenia or ADHD
Merete Øiea, c, Kjetil Sundetb, c and Bjørn Rishovd Rund,
Received 8 June 1998; accepted 2 March 1999. Available online 27 September 1999.
Abstract
Previous research on memory and schizophrenia has relied on a limited number of global memory measures instead of a comprehensive assessment of various memory components. In addition, little effort has been directed at examining memory functioning in patients with early-onset schizophrenia. Published research often lacks a relevant neuropsychiatric comparison group to control for attention difficulties. Patients with Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) were included in the present study for this purpose. To our knowledge, a direct comparison of the two patient groups on memory functions has never been made. In the present study, both adolescents with schizophrenia and adolescents with ADHD were compared on a comprehensive memory test battery. Nineteen adolescents with schizophrenia were compared to 20 ADHD adolescents and 30 normally functioning adolescents on measures of working memory and long-term episodic memory, including tests of verbal and visual memory, free recall and recognition memory. The performance of the adolescents with schizophrenia was impaired as compared to the normal group on most of the memory measures. They performed significantly more poorly than the adolescents with ADHD on the visual memory tests. The ADHD group scored more impaired than the schizophrenia group on working memory tests with focus on distractibility. The findings suggest a general memory deficit among adolescents with schizophrenia related to both verbal and visual material. Impairment on the measures of visual memory is specific to schizophrenia and does not characterise the ADHD subjects.
Author Keywords: Cognition; Visual memory; Verbal memory; Distractibility; Schizophrenia; ADHD
#16
Posted 04 January 2010 - 01:36 PM
BTW, I know longer feel that I am at risk for schizophrenia. Could be wrong though but more recent experiences seem to cast doubt on it.
#17
Posted 05 January 2010 - 01:23 AM
That's interesting. If you believe that issues with methylation can cause mental disorders, this would also support the idea that people with schizophrenia (or those at risk) are overmethylators. For what it's worth, C, niacin and EPA/DHA (as have already been mentioned in this thread) are all supplements used for overmethylation. It might not hurt to get labs that would indicate if there is a problem with methylation (histamine is the best bio-marker).It's well known that people about with schizophrenia will show an insensitity to the vasodilation effects of niacin (25% to 42% don't flush on 200 mg) and it's used for early detection of shcizophrenia. Establihed cases of schizophrenia are more likely to respond normally to niacin with a flush. This has to do with the body's processing of phospholipids (is it related to niacin's ability to lower cholesterol?): http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/10197889 http://www.ncbi.nlm..../pubmed/8888117 http://www.ncbi.nlm..../pubmed/9046982
Edited by Cappa, 05 January 2010 - 01:27 AM.
#18
Posted 05 January 2010 - 01:49 AM
That's interesting. If you believe that issues with methylation can cause mental disorders, this would also support the idea that people with schizophrenia (or those at risk) are overmethylators. For what it's worth, C, niacin and EPA/DHA (as have already been mentioned in this thread) are all supplements used for overmethylation. It might not hurt to get labs that would indicate if there is a problem with methylation (It's well known that people about with schizophrenia will show an insensitity to the vasodilation effects of niacin (25% to 42% don't flush on 200 mg) and it's used for early detection of shcizophrenia. Establihed cases of schizophrenia are more likely to respond normally to niacin with a flush. This has to do with the body's processing of phospholipids (is it related to niacin's ability to lower cholesterol?): http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/10197889 http://www.ncbi.nlm..../pubmed/8888117 http://www.ncbi.nlm..../pubmed/9046982
histaminehomocysteine is the best bio-marker).
I do not get a niacin flush, at least from 100mg, but I also have a high homocysteine level without supplementation, which suggests undermethylation. Hmmm...
Edited by OneScrewLoose, 05 January 2010 - 01:52 AM.
#19
Posted 10 January 2010 - 01:04 AM
Methylation is a complicated thing. There are a plethora of pathways/nutrients/reactions involved. The whole "over/under" concept is probably somewhat reductionistic, even if it effectively describes most cases.That's interesting. If you believe that issues with methylation can cause mental disorders, this would also support the idea that people with schizophrenia (or those at risk) are overmethylators. For what it's worth, C, niacin and EPA/DHA (as have already been mentioned in this thread) are all supplements used for overmethylation. It might not hurt to get labs that would indicate if there is a problem with methylation (It's well known that people about with schizophrenia will show an insensitity to the vasodilation effects of niacin (25% to 42% don't flush on 200 mg) and it's used for early detection of shcizophrenia. Establihed cases of schizophrenia are more likely to respond normally to niacin with a flush. This has to do with the body's processing of phospholipids (is it related to niacin's ability to lower cholesterol?): http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/10197889 http://www.ncbi.nlm..../pubmed/8888117 http://www.ncbi.nlm..../pubmed/9046982
histaminehomocysteine is the best bio-marker).
I do not get a niacin flush, at least from 100mg, but I also have a high homocysteine level without supplementation, which suggests undermethylation. Hmmm...
#20
Posted 13 January 2010 - 02:43 PM
This thread is undead! grtrrrrrrztgfheerrrrrr brains!
BTW, I know longer feel that I am at risk for schizophrenia. Could be wrong though but more recent experiences seem to cast doubt on it.
Sounds good to me. Not exactly a label you would want to have

Here is a good page summarising methylation and schizophrenia:
http://www.nutrition...n=Schizophrenia
Folate is said to be beneficial in the table on that page for the Histapenia/Low Histamine (over-methylated) Schizophrenia biotype.
The activated form, Methylfolate, has been shown to be beneficial for it in the past:
Methylfolate and psychiatric illness.
Wing YK, Lee S.
Br J Psychiatry. 1992 May;160:714-5. No abstract available.
PMID: 1591586 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Br J Psychiatry. 1991 Aug;159:271-2.
Enhancement of recovery from psychiatric illness by methylfolate.
Procter A.
UMDS-Guy's Hospital, London.
Comment in:
Br J Psychiatry. 1992 Jan;160:130.
Br J Psychiatry. 1992 Jul;161:126-7.
"41 (33%) of 123 patients with acute psychiatric disorders (DSM III diagnosis of major depression or schizophrenia) had borderline or definite folate deficiency (red-cell folate below 200 micrograms/l) and took part in a double-blind, placebo-controlled trial of methylfolate, 15 mg daily, for 6 months in addition to standard psychotropic treatment. Among both depressed and schizophrenic patients methylfolate significantly improved clinical and social recovery. The differences in outcome scores between methylfolate and placebo groups became greater with time. These findings add to the evidence implicating disturbances of methylation in the nervous system in the biology of some forms of mental illness."
PMID: 1773245 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Lancet. 1990 Aug 18;336(8712):392-5.
Enhancement of recovery from psychiatric illness by methylfolate.
Godfrey PS, Toone BK, Carney MW, Flynn TG, Bottiglieri T, Laundy M, Chanarin I, Reynolds EH.
Department of Psychiatry, King's College Hospital and Institute of Psychiatry, London, UK.
Comment in:
Lancet. 1990 Oct 13;336(8720):953-4.
41 (33%) of 123 patients with acute psychiatric disorders (DSM III diagnosis of major depression or schizophrenia) had borderline or definite folate deficiency (red-cell folate below 200 micrograms/l) and took part in a double-blind, placebo-controlled trial of methylfolate, 15 mg daily, for 6 months in addition to standard psychotropic treatment. Among both depressed and schizophrenic patients methylfolate significantly improved clinical and social recovery. The differences in outcome scores between methylfolate and placebo groups became greater with time. These findings add to the evidence implicating disturbances of methylation in the nervous system in the biology of some forms of mental illness.
PMID: 1974941 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
#21
Posted 13 January 2010 - 04:02 PM
#22
Posted 26 January 2010 - 07:38 AM
PLoS One. 2009;4(4):e5085. Epub 2009 Apr 8.
Arachidonic acid drives postnatal neurogenesis and elicits a beneficial effect on prepulse inhibition, a biological trait of psychiatric illnesses.
Maekawa M, Takashima N, Matsumata M, Ikegami S, Kontani M, Hara Y, Kawashima H, Owada Y, Kiso Y, Yoshikawa T, Inokuchi K, Osumi N.
Department of Developmental Neurobiology, Tohoku University Graduate School of Medicine, Sendai, Japan.
Prepulse inhibition (PPI) is a compelling endophenotype (biological markers) for mental disorders including schizophrenia. In a previous study, we identified Fabp7, a fatty acid binding protein 7 as one of the genes controlling PPI in mice and showed that this gene was associated with schizophrenia. We also demonstrated that disrupting Fabp7 dampened hippocampal neurogenesis. In this study, we examined a link between neurogenesis and PPI using different animal models and exploring the possibility of postnatal manipulation of neurogenesis affecting PPI, since gene-deficient mice show biological disturbances from prenatal stages. In parallel, we tested the potential for dietary polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFAs), arachidonic acid (ARA) and/or docosahexaenoic acid (DHA), to promote neurogenesis and improve PPI. PUFAs are ligands for Fabp members and are abundantly expressed in neural stem/progenitor cells in the hippocampus. Our results are: (1) an independent model animal, Pax6 (+/-) rats, exhibited PPI deficits along with impaired postnatal neurogenesis; (2) methylazoxymethanol acetate (an anti-proliferative drug) elicited decreased neurogenesis even in postnatal period, and PPI defects in young adult rats (10 weeks) when the drug was given at the juvenile stage (4-5 weeks); (3) administering ARA for 4 weeks after birth promoted neurogenesis in wild type rats; (4) raising Pax6 (+/-) pups on an ARA-containing diet enhanced neurogenesis and partially improved PPI in adult animals. These results suggest the potential benefit of ARA in ameliorating PPI deficits relevant to psychiatric disorders and suggest that the effect may be correlated with augmented postnatal neurogenesis.
PMID: 19352438 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Prostaglandins Leukot Essent Fatty Acids. 2003 Dec;69(6):413-9.
Relationship between the niacin skin flush response and essential fatty acids in schizophrenia.
Messamore E.
Behavioral Health and Clinical Neurosciences Division and Research Service, Portland VA Medical Center, 3710 SW US Veterans Hospital Road, Portland, OR 97201, USA. messamor@ohsu.edu
The skin flush response to niacin is selectively mediated by the release of vasodilatory prostaglandins from the skin. The normal skin flush response to niacin is attenuated in many individuals with schizophrenia (SCZ). This finding suggests abnormal prostaglandin signaling in SCZ. Since prostaglandins are derived from arachidonic acid (AA), the finding of an abnormal skin flush response is consistent with biochemical data suggesting relative depletion of AA, and other essential fatty acids (EFAs), in a substantial portion of people with SCZ. This paper will describe the mechanism of the skin flush response to niacin, and will review evidence that the response to niacin is abnormal in SCZ, that this abnormality is not related to psychotropic medications, and that it may be a marker of the EFA deficiency which has been documented to be present in many patients with SCZ.
PMID: 14623495 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Prostaglandins Leukot Essent Fatty Acids. 2002 Jan;66(1):83-90.
Eicosapentaenoic acid and arachidonic acid: collaboration and not antagonism is the key to biological understanding.
Horrobin DF, Jenkins K, Bennett CN, Christie WW.
Laxdale Ltd, King Park House, LaurelhiIl Business Park, Stirling FK7 9JQ, Scotland. agreen@laxdale.co.uk
Much of the literature on omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids suggests that desirable effects of omega-3 fatty acids are in part related to depletion of arachidonic acid (AA). However, in rats and humans, we have found that low doses of EPA actually elevate membrane AA phospholipid concentrations. In patients with schizophrenia, treatment with eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) produced clinical improvement, but that improvement was greater at a dose of 2 g/day than at 4 g/day. The improvement was not significantly correlated with changes in either EPA or docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) but was highly significantly positively correlated with rises in red cell membrane AA. We suggest that elevation of concentrations of both AA and EPA in cell membranes may be important for health. Copyright 2002 Elsevier Science Ltd. All rights reserved.
PMID: 12051959 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
ScientificWorldJournal. 2002 Jul 10;2:1922-36.
Membrane pathology in schizophrenia: implication for arachidonic acid signaling.
Yao JK, Reddy RD.
VA Pittsburgh Healthcare System, 7180 Highland Drive, Pittsburgh, PA 15206, USA. kyao@pitt.edu
Schizophrenia is a major mental disorder with no clearly identified pathophysiology. A variety of theories has been proposed to explain the pathophysiology of schizophrenia. One approach that is finding empirical support is the investigation of membrane composition and function. Evidence to date suggests that there are defects in phospholipid metabolism and cell signaling in schizophrenia. Specifically, low levels of arachidonic acid (AA)-enriched phospholipids have been observed in both central and peripheral tissues. It is well known that changes in membrane composition are associated with a variety of functional consequences. Since AA has many key roles in neural functioning, understanding its significance for the pathophysiology of schizophrenia may lead to novel approaches to improving treatment of schizophrenia. The purpose of this review is thus to explore some of the roles of AA signaling in biological, physiological, and clinical phenomena observed in schizophrenia.
PMID: 12806131 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Prostaglandins Leukot Essent Fatty Acids. 2003 Dec;69(6):477-85.
Eicosapentaenoic acid in the treatment of schizophrenia and depression: rationale and preliminary double-blind clinical trial results.
Peet M.
Swallownest Court Hospital, Aughton Road, Sheffield S26 4TH, UK. malcolmpeet@yahoo.com
It has been hypothesised that polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFA) play an important role in the aetiology of schizophrenia and depression. Evidence supporting this hypothesis for schizophrenia includes abnormal brain phospholipid turnover shown by 31P Magnetic Resonance Spectroscopy, increased levels of phospholipase A2, reduced niacin skin flush response, abnormal electroretinogram, and reduced cell membrane levels of n-3 and n-6 PUFA. In depression, there is strong epidemiological evidence that fish consumption reduces risk of becoming depressed and evidence that cell membrane levels of n-3 PUFA are reduced. Four out of five placebo-controlled double- blind trials of eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) in the treatment of schizophrenia have given positive findings. In depression, two placebo-controlled trials have shown a strong therapeutic effect of ethyl-EPA added to existing medication. The mode of action of EPA is currently not known, but recent evidence suggests that arachidonic acid (AA) if of particular importance in schizophrenia and that clinical improvement in schizophrenic patients using EPA treatment correlates with changes in AA.
PMID: 14623502 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Edited by Jacovis, 26 January 2010 - 07:39 AM.
#23
Posted 31 December 2010 - 08:46 AM
My symptoms were paranoia, auditory hallucinations, possibly visual hallucinations (everybody would look at me like I was doing something wrong), panic attacks, anxiety, depression, guilt, becoming isolated, for the most part. Some of these would only come to light when I smoked weed or synthetic weed (its illegal now) like the hallucinations and paranoia.
I have tried many drugs and have failed at finding anything that helped out my mental state until today. I took dhea and I automatically (meaning a few hours afterward) feel like I can think clearly without the anxiety and other symptoms. My wife and I had the most amazing sex today for such a long period of time. I feel like I love her again (I was having doubts). It just seems like a miracle drug. I have even started working out again today for the first time in a month and a half.
Maybe its a placebo effect but I highly doubt it with my sexual stamina (sorry about the details). I do know that DHEA is amazing and I will keep taking it for a while. I will keep you guys posted.
#24
Posted 01 January 2011 - 03:19 PM
I do know that DHEA is amazing and I will keep taking it for a while.
How much DHEA are you taking?
#25
Posted 01 January 2011 - 04:30 PM
This study suggests that DHEA does not convert to T, albeit in older man. It seems to induce increased levels of estrogen when taking high doses (if I understand the abstract correctly, it might be already when taking normal doses).How much DHEA are you taking?I do know that DHEA is amazing and I will keep taking it for a while.
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/10372727
Probably good to monitor relevant blood markers while taking it.
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