I just read this
http://66.102.11.104...TruthDecay2.pdf
and I wonder what your thoughts are on the issue..
I take fluor tabs on recommendation by my dentist to battle cavity development.. perhaps I should quit it?
Posted 29 October 2003 - 04:13 AM
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Posted 29 October 2003 - 08:33 PM
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Posted 30 October 2003 - 12:08 AM
Posted 30 October 2003 - 12:25 AM
I guess I'll quit taking fluoride tabs after I finished this jar then.. rather a higher risk of cavities than a higher risk of cancer.
Posted 30 October 2003 - 02:09 AM
It is not too good an idea to second guess your dentist. So you might consult with him/her and think about splitting your tabs (halving the dose) or taking the pills every other day before you quit the prescribed treatment entirely.
You also need to weigh benefits and risks carefully and ask yourself if the prescribed treatment is working and if the treatment has a given time limit or if you are expected to continue taking the pills for life?
You also might ask if there are other means of achieving the same result?
Before you do anything however you should look up the medication from online sources like a PDR (Physicians Desk Reference) and look up the contraindications and side effects.
A long time ago I suffered from an oral infection and was prescribed a treatment that was a mouth wash of high fluorine content. I was supposed to use it in far higher doses than I found necessary to be effective and I augmented the procedure by intermittently substituting a hydrogen peroxide rinse. The infection went away fast and I was able to extend the utility of the mouth wash by a factor of almost ten.
Fluorine is very important as it prevents the bacteria responsible for forming cavities from doing their dirty work but good dental hygiene and and good fluoride toothpaste can provide most of what you need usually even in areas that do not fluoridate the water supply.
I do not think the fluorine helps any other part of the body than the teeth so if you can use the lozenge and spit out the wash when done this might also alleviate some of your concern at ingesting the fluorine.
I am not a doctor or a dentist and I do not want you to make up your mind one way or another based on what I have said; what I prefer is that you seek to inform yourself more and make a responsible decision taking all factors into consideration
Posted 13 February 2008 - 04:52 PM
It is not too good an idea to second guess your dentist. So you might consult with him/her and think about splitting your tabs (halving the dose) or taking the pills every other day before you quit the prescribed treatment entirely.
You also need to weigh benefits and risks carefully and ask yourself if the prescribed treatment is working and if the treatment has a given time limit or if you are expected to continue taking the pills for life?
You also might ask if there are other means of achieving the same result?
Before you do anything however you should look up the medication from online sources like a PDR (Physicians Desk Reference) and look up the contraindications and side effects.
A long time ago I suffered from an oral infection and was prescribed a treatment that was a mouth wash of high fluorine content. I was supposed to use it in far higher doses than I found necessary to be effective and I augmented the procedure by intermittently substituting a hydrogen peroxide rinse. The infection went away fast and I was able to extend the utility of the mouth wash by a factor of almost ten.
Fluorine is very important as it prevents the bacteria responsible for forming cavities from doing their dirty work but good dental hygiene and and good fluoride toothpaste can provide most of what you need usually even in areas that do not fluoridate the water supply.
I do not think the fluorine helps any other part of the body than the teeth so if you can use the lozenge and spit out the wash when done this might also alleviate some of your concern at ingesting the fluorine.
I am not a doctor or a dentist and I do not want you to make up your mind one way or another based on what I have said; what I prefer is that you seek to inform yourself more and make a responsible decision taking all factors into consideration
It's not prescribed, its OTC. My dentist just recommended me to take them about a year ago, slightly less, because she said I had a few places in my teeth where there was a big risk of developing cavities (showed on xrays).. Then a while ago I've been installed with the privilege which is also known as braces, and while having them it's harder to reach every area on the teeth with a toothbrush, and since I had read that fluoride supplements were recommended for people with braces I've continued taking them. However, as you say, brushing teeth twice a day properly should do the trick, besides, I'm not 100% sure, but if I remember correctly, the tap water here is Flourised/flourated or whatever the word is.. And I drink alot of tap water too..
But I might show that article to my dentists and ask them what they think.. I used to take 0.50mg pills though, now I take 0.25 mg ones. I don't take as many as the manufacturers suggest either, not with these 0.25mg atleast, as they are recommended 4-6.. I usually take 2-4 per day.
Posted 13 February 2008 - 05:13 PM
Posted 13 February 2008 - 09:38 PM
Here's the thing: Fluoride is topical, not systemic. It should therefore not be used in our drinking water. No one should take fluoride supplements! Yet, drinking water can be categorized as a fluoride supplement.
I do not drink city water whenever I can avoid it. And, I do not use fluoride toothpaste. (I use LEF's toothpaste, with pomegranate.)
There's no evidence that populations with fluoride in their water have healthier teeth than populations without. Most of Europe, for example, does not use fluoride in their water.
Fluoridation is a profit center for several corporations, and is as bogus as vaccinations for kids.
Posted 13 February 2008 - 10:25 PM
Posted 14 February 2008 - 02:07 AM
Here's the thing: Fluoride is topical, not systemic. It should therefore not be used in our drinking water. No one should take fluoride supplements! Yet, drinking water can be categorized as a fluoride supplement.
I do not drink city water whenever I can avoid it. And, I do not use fluoride toothpaste. (I use LEF's toothpaste, with pomegranate.)
There's no evidence that populations with fluoride in their water have healthier teeth than populations without. Most of Europe, for example, does not use fluoride in their water.
Fluoridation is a profit center for several corporations, and is as bogus as vaccinations for kids.
I agree with that statement, i put in a water filtration system that removes most of the flouride from the tap water.
Posted 14 February 2008 - 02:51 AM
Posted 14 February 2008 - 04:17 AM
Posted 14 February 2008 - 05:23 AM
Those of you who don't want to consume fluoride better avoid tea then, because it has typically ~1 mg/cup.
Sodium fluoride is toxic in LARGE QUANTITIES. So are vitamins. BFD.
Edited by resveratrol, 14 February 2008 - 05:25 AM.
Posted 14 February 2008 - 06:03 AM
Entirely? Note the word "typically".Those of you who don't want to consume fluoride better avoid tea then, because it has typically ~1 mg/cup.
This generalization is so broad as to be entirely invalid. The fluoride content varies quite a bit depending on the type of tea.
Umm, check. I mean CHECK. Forgive me, I have sinned. The point about large quantities was a reference to an upthread fallacy; Just because something is harmful in large quantities does not mean it is harmful in small quantities.Sodium fluoride is toxic in LARGE QUANTITIES. So are vitamins. BFD.
Read the SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN ARTICLE.
Sodium fluoride has been found to be POTENTIALLY HARMFUL EVEN AT DOSES CURRENTLY CONSIDERED MODERATE.
And stop using ALL CAPS to emphasize your points, because it's really ANNOYING.
Posted 14 February 2008 - 06:54 AM
Here's the thing: Fluoride is topical, not systemic. It should therefore not be used in our drinking water. No one should take fluoride supplements! Yet, drinking water can be categorized as a fluoride supplement.
I do not drink city water whenever I can avoid it. And, I do not use fluoride toothpaste. (I use LEF's toothpaste, with pomegranate.)
There's no evidence that populations with fluoride in their water have healthier teeth than populations without. Most of Europe, for example, does not use fluoride in their water.
Fluoridation is a profit center for several corporations, and is as bogus as vaccinations for kids.
I agree with that statement, i put in a water filtration system that removes most of the flouride from the tap water.
A Reverse Osmosis system?
Posted 14 February 2008 - 07:20 PM
Read the SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN ARTICLE.
Posted 14 February 2008 - 11:13 PM
Posted 15 February 2008 - 01:41 AM
- It is illegal to dump fluoride in the ocean, yet perfectly safe to put in our water supply
- Hitler used fluoride in the water supplies of Jews in concentration camps because it has an effect on the part of the brain (a permanent one) that encourages resistance and free will
Posted 22 February 2008 - 05:15 PM
Vaccinations are bad for kids? Honestly Duke, I'm surprised you've traveled that far down the anti-science road.
I would like to see some credible references about the hitler/jews/floride thing. Propoents for flouridation could easily invoke Godwins law there
Edited by dannov, 22 February 2008 - 05:21 PM.
Posted 22 February 2008 - 09:21 PM
Do you know how many studies have related increases in autism and all sorts of diseases to vaccinations?
Just from a quick Google search:
http://www.rense.com/general3/fluo.htm
http://www.consumerh...=19990817225011
http://www.greaterth.../F/Fluoride.htm
http://www.bragg.com...depoisonFS.html
Fluorine, the gangster of the chemical underworld, made the atomic bomb possible. The only scientific way to free the necessary quantities of fissionable Uranium 235, buried in the inert mass of its parent U-238, is to force uranium hexafluoride gas through many acres of porous barriers. The next part of the process gradually concentrates the elements, creating a deadly hazard from radiation. "Hex" is what they named this vicious stuff.
Posted 23 February 2008 - 04:05 AM
Posted 23 February 2008 - 04:16 AM
If your CRA shows you are at moderate or high risk you can talk to your dentist about prescribing you a high-fluoride toothpaste or one of the new remineralizing solutions like MI Paste.
Posted 23 February 2008 - 10:48 PM
Posted 24 February 2008 - 06:14 AM
Krillin--
I told you that I just did a quick Google search. There have been quite a few studies since the 80s on the dangers of Fluoride that have been largely ignored. One of the links that I provided you with is consumerhealth's site, and I wouldn't consider that a "kook" site. Btw, what problem do you have with the paragraph that you cited? Do you have evidence to state that it isn't true?
If you want to search for abstracts and actual research articles to learn more about it, go ahead. I've done my research on this crap a while ago--I don't need any more convincing.
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Posted 24 February 2008 - 12:48 PM
Posted 25 February 2008 - 04:54 AM
A friend of Dean Burk has written that Dean Burk was responsible for convincing the government of the Netherlands to cease adding fluoride to its drinking water.
Fluoridation of water owes its continued existence more to politics than to science. If safety and effectiveness are truly considered, fluoride would be questionable even as a prescription drug. But to freely add it to public water supplies, often without any public vote whatsoever, is far beyond questionable. Mr. Meiers' discussion of the dangers of fluoride is important reading.
Posted 25 February 2008 - 05:41 AM
Posted 25 February 2008 - 05:42 AM
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