106 replies to this topic

[abolitionist]

I'm moving this to Unrelated until you formulate a more compelling argument.

look at the links I posted, especially these;

http://www.abolition...opic.php?t=1648

http://www.abolition...opic.php?t=1656

and how to avoid fluoride;

http://www.abolition...opic.php?t=1676

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www.fluoridealert.com is especially compelling as it's filled with scientific evidence showing how fluoride is toxic in even small amounts, let alone cumulatively over a lifetime.

If you value your longevity, health, and intelligence - avoid added fluoride like the plague!!!

oh no we're all going to die!

What is happening to this forum? lol

all truth passes through 3 stages...

Edited by abolitionist, 26 July 2008 - 05:22 AM.

[luv2increase]

I'm moving this to Unrelated until you formulate a more compelling argument.

look at the links I posted, especially these;

http://www.abolition...opic.php?t=1648

http://www.abolition...opic.php?t=1656

and how to avoid fluoride;

http://www.abolition...opic.php?t=1676

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www.fluoridealert.com is especially compelling as it's filled with scientific evidence showing how fluoride is toxic in even small amounts, let alone cumulatively over a lifetime.

If you value your longevity, health, and intelligence - avoid added fluoride like the plague!!!

oh no we're all going to die!

What is happening to this forum? lol

all truth passes through 3 stages...

Maybe flouride is the culprit of the world becoming more and more insane, drug addicted, and unintelligent. You do realize that humans consume a whole lot o' flouride from the time they're an infant until they die. It is fortified in everything like a plague.

I, myself, stick as far away as I can from it.

[krillin]

I'm moving this to Unrelated until you formulate a more compelling argument.

look at the links I posted, especially these;

http://www.abolition...opic.php?t=1648

http://www.abolition...opic.php?t=1656

and how to avoid fluoride;

http://www.abolition...opic.php?t=1676

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www.fluoridealert.com is especially compelling as it's filled with scientific evidence showing how fluoride is toxic in even small amounts, let alone cumulatively over a lifetime.

The first three links just contain paranoid bullshit that doesn't belong in a scientific forum like Imminst. The fourth one seems reasonable. Did the ADA recently buy the domain name from one of your dorky friends?

[Shepard]

The first three links just contain paranoid bullshit that doesn't belong in a scientific forum like Imminst.

Yes, as much as we all agree that Joe Rogan is not a man whose intellect should be taken lightly....

Wait, spending a lot of time tripping and in a sensory deprivation chamber makes you smart, right?

[abolitionist]

I'm moving this to Unrelated until you formulate a more compelling argument.

look at the links I posted, especially these;

http://www.abolition...opic.php?t=1648

http://www.abolition...opic.php?t=1656

and how to avoid fluoride;

http://www.abolition...opic.php?t=1676

--------

www.fluoridealert.com is especially compelling as it's filled with scientific evidence showing how fluoride is toxic in even small amounts, let alone cumulatively over a lifetime.

The first three links just contain paranoid bullshit that doesn't belong in a scientific forum like Imminst. The fourth one seems reasonable. Did the ADA recently buy the domain name from one of your dorky friends?

unless you can say something useful or edifying, I'll just assume you feel like being a troll and will treat you as such

if you have any information that contradicts any of the facts in those links please be sure to post it

[abolitionist]

The first three links just contain paranoid bullshit that doesn't belong in a scientific forum like Imminst.

Yes, as much as we all agree that Joe Rogan is not a man whose intellect should be taken lightly....

Wait, spending a lot of time tripping and in a sensory deprivation chamber makes you smart, right?

Apparently he is pretty smart.

anyways, if you have some concern about false information being presented I suggest you call me on it overtly

Edited by abolitionist, 27 July 2008 - 05:13 AM.

[Reno]

It seems to me that the main reason people give for not using floride cite its use as a rat poison or nazi gas. People need to remember that too much of a good thing can be a bad thing. I'm pretty sure that is why the floride in water is atm 0.7 per liter.

Personally, I would rather drink more water than suffer through another root canal.

Government recommends lowering fluoride levels in U.S. drinking water

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency are recommending changing for the first time in nearly 50 years the amount of fluoride allowed in drinking water because of an increase in fluorosis -- a condition that causes spotting and streaking on children's teeth.

The government is proposing that the recommended amount for fluoride in drinking water be set at 0.7 milligrams per liter of water. The proposal would replace the current recommended range of 0.7 to 1.2 milligrams per liter, which has been in place since 1962. The EPA will determine whether the maximum amount of fluoride allowed in water will also be lowered.

Fluoride was first added to water in the United States in the 1940s to help prevent tooth decay in children 8 years and under, considered the tooth-forming years.

"One of water fluoridation's biggest advantages is that it benefits all residents of a community -- at home, work, school or play," said Health and Human Services Assistant Secretary for Health Dr. Howard Koh. "And fluoridation's effectiveness in preventing tooth decay is not limited to children, but extends throughout life, resulting in improved oral health."

Two out of five teenagers experienced tooth spotting and streaking due to too much fluoride, according to a new government study. The Department of Health and Human Services says one reason is because Americans now have access to fluoride from a variety of sources, including toothpaste, mouth rinses and prescription supplements.

"Dental fluorosis in the United States appears mostly in the very mild form -- as barely visible lacy white markings or spots on the enamel," The Department of Health and Human Services said in a statement Friday. "The severe form of dental fluorosis, with staining and pitting on the tooth surface, is rare in the United States."

The American Dental Association (ADA) says the new recommended levels will still reduce tooth decay but minimize fluorosis. The group says it continues to support fluoridation of community water as a safe and effective way to prevent tooth decay.

"This is a superb example of a government agency fulfilling its mission to protect and enhance the health of the American people," said ADA President Dr. Raymond F. Gist. "We have always looked to the federal health agencies to guide us on this and other public health matters, and we will continue to do so. We applaud the Department of Health and Human Services for reaffirming the safety and efficacy of optimal community water fluoridation, with science on their side."

The recommendations have been submitted to the Federal Register for a 30-day public comment period.

source

Edited by Reno, 07 January 2011 - 06:36 PM.

[mikeinnaples]

That article was ok, but it downplayed and omitted a few things from the report.


This is in the US:

About 2 out of 5 adolescents have tooth streaking or spottiness because of too much fluoride

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reports that the splotchy tooth condition, fluorosis, is unexpectedly common in kids ages 12 through 15. And it appears to have grown much more common since the 1980s.

According to the CDC, nearly 23 percent of children ages 12-15 had fluorosis in a study done in 1986 and 1987. That rose to 41 percent in the more recent study, which covered the years 1999 through 2004.

Source


Anyways, if that many children have fluorosis, what does that translate into for adults whom have had more long term exposure? Remember the fluorsis doesnt just occur in your teeth.... also, it is permanent and irreversable.

http://www.who.int/w...s/fluorosis/en/
http://en.wikipedia....letal_fluorosis
http://www.vitaminsd...s/fluorosis.htm

[Reno]

That article was ok, but it downplayed and omitted a few things from the report.

This is in the US:

Anyways, if that many children have fluorosis, what does that translate into for adults whom have had more long term exposure? Remember the fluorsis doesnt just occur in your teeth.... also, it is permanent and irreversable.

http://www.who.int/w...s/fluorosis/en/
http://en.wikipedia....letal_fluorosis
http://www.vitaminsd...s/fluorosis.htm

If you ask me, white spots are way better than having tea stains and cheese teeth.

Edited by Reno, 07 January 2011 - 11:42 PM.

[8bitmore]

That article was ok, but it downplayed and omitted a few things from the report.

This is in the US:

Anyways, if that many children have fluorosis, what does that translate into for adults whom have had more long term exposure? Remember the fluorsis doesnt just occur in your teeth.... also, it is permanent and irreversable.

http://www.who.int/w...s/fluorosis/en/
http://en.wikipedia....letal_fluorosis
http://www.vitaminsd...s/fluorosis.htm

If you ask me, white spots are way better than having tea stains and cheese teeth.

Remember that people (in this case mikeinnaples) most often post quite informative links. After reading the Wikipedia entry along with the article from who.int I seriously find it doubtful that anyone in the world would rather have fluorosis than tea stains on their teeth! Fluoride exposure is also intricately linked to low IQ in children (and, one presumes, subsequent deficits in adults) - http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/18695947.

edit: typo

Edited by 8bitmore, 08 January 2011 - 01:03 AM.

[Reno]

Remember that people (in this case mikeinnaples) most often post quite informative links. After reading the Wikipedia entry along with the article from who.int I seriously find it doubtful that anyone in the world would rather have fluorosis than tea stains on their teeth! Fluoride exposure is also intricately linked to low IQ in children (and, one presumes, subsequent deficits in adults) - http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/18695947.
edit: typo

Yes, one out of four people will have some form of fluorosis in the US. What are the odds of someone coming down with 18x the average fluoride dosage. I say 18x, because that is what the wikipage lists for the worst side effects. I don't see anything in those three links referring to a detriment in IQ.

[niner]

Remember that people (in this case mikeinnaples) most often post quite informative links. After reading the Wikipedia entry along with the article from who.int I seriously find it doubtful that anyone in the world would rather have fluorosis than tea stains on their teeth! Fluoride exposure is also intricately linked to low IQ in children (and, one presumes, subsequent deficits in adults) - http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/18695947.
edit: typo

Yes, one out of four people will have some form of fluorosis in the US. What are the odds of someone coming down with 18x the average fluoride dosage. I say 18x, because that is what the wikipage lists for the worst side effects. I don't see anything in those three links referring to a detriment in IQ.

It was seen in China in areas that have naturally high fluoride concentration in their water and soil. These people often suffer from skeletal fluorosis as well, but there exposure to fluoride is substantially higher than the 1 ppm typical in fluoridated water. We're forgetting that, as the saying goes, The Dose Makes the Poison. In other words, fluoride is one of the many compounds where a little is good, but a lot is bad. Lots of people have mild dental fluorosis, but I've not heard of any cases of people getting severe skeletal fluorosis from fluoridated drinking water. There may well be people who live in places like Colorado, where some areas are high in natural fluoride, who have skeletal fluorosis from that. Maybe even an IQ deficit. But no one has reported IQ deficits from 1 ppm fluoride in water.

[RighteousReason]

I have a Crystal Quest, Counter Top 8 Stage Flouride removal filter system. Its 3 large filters basically, i replace them once a year, tho i am sure i could go 2 years. The cost is about $130.00 a year:)

awesome, thanks. this looks like a super effective filter for cheap.

wait wtf.

water flouridation is usually 1ppm ... but this filter removes to <.5ppm??

"In stage 2, Water flows through a FLUORIDE REMOVAL cartridge. Containing fine-mesh pre-resin media to reduce fluorides below 0.5 ppm."

is that really much a of a difference?? LOL

Edited by RighteousReason, 08 January 2011 - 10:58 AM.

[mikeinnaples]

Remember that people (in this case mikeinnaples) most often post quite informative links. After reading the Wikipedia entry along with the article from who.int I seriously find it doubtful that anyone in the world would rather have fluorosis than tea stains on their teeth! Fluoride exposure is also intricately linked to low IQ in children (and, one presumes, subsequent deficits in adults) - http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/18695947.
edit: typo

Yes, one out of four people will have some form of fluorosis in the US. What are the odds of someone coming down with 18x the average fluoride dosage. I say 18x, because that is what the wikipage lists for the worst side effects. I don't see anything in those three links referring to a detriment in IQ.

It was seen in China in areas that have naturally high fluoride concentration in their water and soil. These people often suffer from skeletal fluorosis as well, but there exposure to fluoride is substantially higher than the 1 ppm typical in fluoridated water. We're forgetting that, as the saying goes, The Dose Makes the Poison. In other words, fluoride is one of the many compounds where a little is good, but a lot is bad. Lots of people have mild dental fluorosis, but I've not heard of any cases of people getting severe skeletal fluorosis from fluoridated drinking water. There may well be people who live in places like Colorado, where some areas are high in natural fluoride, who have skeletal fluorosis from that. Maybe even an IQ deficit. But no one has reported IQ deficits from 1 ppm fluoride in water.

I think the main concern is drinking water high in fluoride combined with flouride contain tooth pastes, mouth washes, dental treatments, and tea drinking. Suddenly a lot of small exposures add up to a lot. Chronic exposure is the main concern with fluoride anyways, not acute exposure. One has to wonder what 50 years of chronic exposure to fluoride means as you age.

[abolitionist]

http://www.infowars....drinking-water/

One thing is for sure - fluoridated water will not increase your lifespan. More likely, it will decrease it along with your health and mental capacities.

It doesn't make your teeth look better.

It may form a protective barrier around teeth - but this is not needed - just stop eating bad foods and have good dental hygiene (something you should do anyways).

There is also a lesson to be learned here;

Government should not determine the greater good and force its will on citizens.

Remember how the government lobotomized US WWII veterans that had PTSD?

We'll look back at water fluoridation similarly as a society in the near future.

People will see just how embedded corruption and stupidity are within the US government.

Edited by abolitionist, 08 January 2011 - 11:07 AM.

[8bitmore]

Fluoride exposure is also intricately linked to low IQ in children (and, one presumes, subsequent deficits in adults) - http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/18695947.

Are you having problems with pubmed? If the direct link doesn't work for you then a generalized search on pubmed for "+fluoride +IQ" will turn up about 13 articles of which the top ranking all deal with IQ problems in relation to fluoride.

edit: sorry I can see now that the thread has moved along - I was replying to an old cached edition of the thread. Anyway, I concur with mikeinnaples's stance on subject; why not avoid excessive exposure to fluoride if possible? It is after all an accumulatable neurotoxin? There seems to be a very small statistical advantage regarding health-of-teeth when supplementing fluoride but honestly that advantage could easily be trumped by applying other methods for healthy dental health such as proper brushing, avoiding excessive sugar and avoiding soft-drinks.

Edited by 8bitmore, 08 January 2011 - 12:46 PM.

[abolitionist]

I like having synthetic fluoride molecules attach to my pineal gland - lessening melatonin release over the course of my life. Melatonin is not cool.

I know that drinking fluoridated water doesn't allow for much of the supposed benefits of sodium fluoride - but hey I'm doing my part to get rid of toxic waste from the aluminum and fertilizer industry.

I know that fluoride doesn't keep teeth from staining either and causes fluorosis - but it should be a new fashion to have fluorosis.

Heck, I just like hurting myself to validate government decisions.