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[happy lemon]

Eva,

You may consider iHerb.com to distribute your sunscreen. The shipping cost is only USD 4 per shipment for orders weighing below 4 pounds & order amount over USD 40.

[Geijutsu]

This sunscreen looks great, do you still happen to be selling your 2008 version? I'd be interested in buying it.

[nupi]

iHerb unfortunately cannot sell it as the Tinosorbs are not allowed by the FDA in the US

[Daniel Qamar]

Me too. I'd be interested in buying any sunscreen that you make. I trust your knowledge and expertise in this area.

Eva: Sorry to be a pain... but whenever you get a free moment, are you able to respond to my previous message. Thank you =)
Haha, you can tell I'm keen.

BTW, off topic... I've noticed all the countries that you guys live in... Norway, Switzerland... wow. Such amazingly beautiful countries. I remember travelling there once a few years ago... I honestly had to keep picking my jaw up from the floor... the beauty of these countries was just mind-blowing! Especially Norway... (Bergen and the fjords...). Norway was unbelievably expensive! Most expensive country I've ever been to... and no doubt the most expensive in the world... I'm jealous... wish I could live there. Australia is an awesome country, but I honestly don't think it's beautiful (subjective).

[Eva Victoria]

Wow. This sunscreen sounds amazing. I'm excited haha. I never got a chance to purchase the one you made back in 2008 but I've been on the lookout for the perfect sunscreen for quite a while. This looks like it could be it!!

How will you let you let us know when it becomes available? Is there a mailing list we could join or a website we can check every so often? Also, how many ml's will be sunscreen be and how much is it expected to be. Price is of no concern to me when it comes to protecting your youth and appearing... Just curious. Please do let us know :-)

Thanks Eva!!

I will put up a website and I'll post the link here.
It is 40 ml package and the price is a bit unsure at the moment. (It depends very much on the total cost that I do not yet know.)
Thank you for your interest

[Eva Victoria]

Eva,

You may consider iHerb.com to distribute your sunscreen. The shipping cost is only USD 4 per shipment for orders weighing below 4 pounds & order amount over USD 40.

Thank you, Happy Lemon!
I buy my ingredients directly from the suppliers, in this case from 3V Sigma. But I am not a big fan of Benzoic Acid. I still believe that the tried and tested OMC (for almost 100 years) is mild enough even for the most sensitive skin (it is actually very much used in products intended for babies).
Uvasorb is also a much more cost effective solution compared to OMC (and other UVB-filters) since a few percentage is needed to achieve high SPF. But I will still stick to OMC or TiO2 and the even more expencive* ZnO.

*compared to other UVA and UVB filters.

[Eva Victoria]

This sunscreen looks great, do you still happen to be selling your 2008 version? I'd be interested in buying it.

I don't produce it anymore. And the new version is a much better option when it comes to the cosmetically elegant finish.
I am also working on an every-day-wear fluid with Tinosorb S and Tinosorb M, Uvinul A and TiO2 that has a sheer and light finish. It is intended for those who prefer organic filters and would avoid the whitening of an inorganic pigment (ZnO). It is not fully developed yet though.

[Eva Victoria]

Me too. I'd be interested in buying any sunscreen that you make. I trust your knowledge and expertise in this area.

Eva: Sorry to be a pain... but whenever you get a free moment, are you able to respond to my previous message. Thank you =)
Haha, you can tell I'm keen.

BTW, off topic... I've noticed all the countries that you guys live in... Norway, Switzerland... wow. Such amazingly beautiful countries. I remember travelling there once a few years ago... I honestly had to keep picking my jaw up from the floor... the beauty of these countries was just mind-blowing! Especially Norway... (Bergen and the fjords...). Norway was unbelievably expensive! Most expensive country I've ever been to... and no doubt the most expensive in the world... I'm jealous... wish I could live there. Australia is an awesome country, but I honestly don't think it's beautiful (subjective).

Thank you for your trust, Daniel! And for your beautiful wordds about Norway. (It has its dark side as well! Like 2-4 month a year

I am awfully sorry for taking so long to answer your previous post! Now it is done as well

Edited by Eva Victoria, 22 March 2012 - 04:34 PM.

[sapentia]

I will put up a website and I'll post the link here.
It is 40 ml package and the price is a bit unsure at the moment. (It depends very much on the total cost that I do not yet know.)
Thank you for your interest

I would be interested in this sunscreen as well.

I am curious though, living in Norway it seems the average UV levels would be relatively low given the northern latitude range of your country such that the need for sunscreen would be less than that of lower latitudes. Of course, I realize there is UV; my only thought is that it would be at a low enough level that it wouldn't be overly detrimental such as at my location in the US which is around 35 degrees. Just wanted to hear your thoughts when you have a chance.

In addition to sunscreen I also supplement with lycopene, astaxanthin, lutein, etc. which have been shown to give the skin a much higher resistance to ultraviolet damage not to mention giving a nice coloring for those of us who avoid the sun and tend to be quite pale.

[Daniel Qamar]

Me too. I'd be interested in buying any sunscreen that you make. I trust your knowledge and expertise in this area.

Eva: Sorry to be a pain... but whenever you get a free moment, are you able to respond to my previous message. Thank you =)
Haha, you can tell I'm keen.

BTW, off topic... I've noticed all the countries that you guys live in... Norway, Switzerland... wow. Such amazingly beautiful countries. I remember travelling there once a few years ago... I honestly had to keep picking my jaw up from the floor... the beauty of these countries was just mind-blowing! Especially Norway... (Bergen and the fjords...). Norway was unbelievably expensive! Most expensive country I've ever been to... and no doubt the most expensive in the world... I'm jealous... wish I could live there. Australia is an awesome country, but I honestly don't think it's beautiful (subjective).

Thank you for your trust, Daniel! And for your beautiful wordds about Norway. (It has its dark side as well! Like 2-4 month a year

I am awfully sorry for taking so long to answer your previous post! Now it is done as well

It's not problem at all, Eva. Thank you =)

I've been reading through all your posts on sunscreens in order to educate myself a bit more on them as I'm quite obsessed with it (living in Australia, the sun is brutal at times). I've learned quite a bit from you... it's really helped - thank you! I was always concious about what ingredients are in sunscreens before purchasing them... but now I pay more attention.

I just have a few questions if that's okay.

Someone had once asked you to recommend them a good sunscreen with a high amount of Zinc Oxide. You'd recommended them Chanel Precision UV Essentiel Multi-Protection SPF50, which contains the following active ingredients:

Octinoxate 7.5%
Titanium Dioxide 2%
Zinc Oxide 17.1%

I purchased this online and must say that I'm quite pleased. I had been looking for a good physical sunscreen with no white cast for quite a while.

My question is (sorry for the long post!!)

1. Do I need to reapply this sunscreen? I work in an office environment and do not sweat or touch my face... I know that chemical sunscreens need to be reapplied... but I'm not 100% certain as to whether or not sunscreens with such a high amount of Zinc Oxide would need repplication?

2. Are there any other physical sunscreens which you've come across which are as good or if not better? You're an avid recommender (if that's even a word lol) of Anthelios and Bioderma sunscreens... but I'm sure that they're chemical. Are you able to suggest other/better physical sunscreens such as the Chanel one? Or is this one pretty good?

I'm just nuts about finding the best of the best! Anything decent will do until yours comes out

3. You'd mentioned that your 2008 sunscreen did not require reapplication (as long as you don't sweat or touch your face, of course). Is this the case for the physical sunscreen version that you're developing now?

Thanks so much for your help - I really appreciate it.

I'll be checking this thread weekly in the hopes to find new information or even a possible release date for your new sunscreen, as I know a large number of people in both my family and circle of friends would be interested in this as they all use sunscreen religiously.

Thanks again =)

Dan

Edited by Daniel Qamar, 23 March 2012 - 12:31 AM.

[Eva Victoria]

Me too. I'd be interested in buying any sunscreen that you make. I trust your knowledge and expertise in this area.

Eva: Sorry to be a pain... but whenever you get a free moment, are you able to respond to my previous message. Thank you =)
Haha, you can tell I'm keen.

BTW, off topic... I've noticed all the countries that you guys live in... Norway, Switzerland... wow. Such amazingly beautiful countries. I remember travelling there once a few years ago... I honestly had to keep picking my jaw up from the floor... the beauty of these countries was just mind-blowing! Especially Norway... (Bergen and the fjords...). Norway was unbelievably expensive! Most expensive country I've ever been to... and no doubt the most expensive in the world... I'm jealous... wish I could live there. Australia is an awesome country, but I honestly don't think it's beautiful (subjective).

Thank you for your trust, Daniel! And for your beautiful wordds about Norway. (It has its dark side as well! Like 2-4 month a year

I am awfully sorry for taking so long to answer your previous post! Now it is done as well

It's not problem at all, Eva. Thank you =)

I've been reading through all your posts on sunscreens in order to educate myself a bit more on them as I'm quite obsessed with it (living in Australia, the sun is brutal at times). I've learned quite a bit from you... it's really helped - thank you! I was always concious about what ingredients are in sunscreens before purchasing them... but now I pay more attention.

I just have a few questions if that's okay.

Someone had once asked you to recommend them a good sunscreen with a high amount of Zinc Oxide. You'd recommended them Chanel Precision UV Essentiel Multi-Protection SPF50, which contains the following active ingredients:

Octinoxate 7.5%
Titanium Dioxide 2%
Zinc Oxide 17.1%

I purchased this online and must say that I'm quite pleased. I had been looking for a good physical sunscreen with no white cast for quite a while.

My question is (sorry for the long post!!)

1. Do I need to reapply this sunscreen? I work in an office environment and do not sweat or touch my face... I know that chemical sunscreens need to be reapplied... but I'm not 100% certain as to whether or not sunscreens with such a high amount of Zinc Oxide would need repplication?

2. Are there any other physical sunscreens which you've come across which are as good or if not better? You're an avid recommender (if that's even a word lol) of Anthelios and Bioderma sunscreens... but I'm sure that they're chemical. Are you able to suggest other/better physical sunscreens such as the Chanel one? Or is this one pretty good?

I'm just nuts about finding the best of the best! Anything decent will do until yours comes out

3. You'd mentioned that your 2008 sunscreen did not require reapplication (as long as you don't sweat or touch your face, of course). Is this the case for the physical sunscreen version that you're developing now?

Thanks so much for your help - I really appreciate it.

I'll be checking this thread weekly in the hopes to find new information or even a possible release date for your new sunscreen, as I know a large number of people in both my family and circle of friends would be interested in this as they all use sunscreen religiously.

Thanks again =)

Dan

Hi Dan,

Physical sunscreens do not degrade in UV light. Hence there is no need for reapplying it. But in case of excessive sweating, wiping off the face, bathing etc. it should also be reapplied generously.
LRP and Bioderma are good sunscreens (and as you mentioned) of the chemical type. They are good for people who don't like (or wish to have) the whitening effect of ZnO.
As I mentioned in previous posts, organic UV filters are much more economical since there is less percentage is needed and they do produce much higher UVA values (for much lower cost).
But there is no other UV filter that has as broad UV-protective effect as ZnO (290-520nm depending on particle size). There is only one UVA filter that has such a high UVA protection as ZnO, that is Tinosorb M. AVO, Uvinul A do not even come close. (But both give very high PPD values when measured). So many people believe that high PPD values mean good UVA protection. But lower PPD values with full protection up to 400 nm is much more reliable than a high PPD and no protection from 370 nm.
PPD and SPF values are only numbers. A PPD of 38 (LRP Anthelios EU version SPF 50+) will filter 97.25% at 358 nm. A PPD of 15 (for a ZnO sunscreen) will filter 93% of the UVA rays at 380nm. At 390-400nm the first sunscreen will not provide any protection while the ZnO containing will provide at least 85-90% protection at 390 nm and minimum 50% protection at 400nm. This is of course particle size dependent for ZnO (and TiO2) containing sunscreens.

I did come across a very nice sunscreen from La Mer (SPF 30, UVA about 10; 10% ZnO, 7.5% OMC). It has a very nice fluid consistency and an absolutely invisible finish. This of course is not so good because it means that the particles are too small for adequate UVA protection in the longer wavelength. But addin an additional 9% of ZnO (particle size of 100-200nm) you will have a very nice sunscreen. The price is outrageous though.
there is the other sunscreen with a very light consistency from MDformulation SPF 30 (7.5% OMC, 5.9% ZnO, 5% Ethylhexyl Salicilate). It has a bit too low ZnO content but it has larger particle size. So it should provide about PPD 6-8 and at least up to 380nm.

Have a nice weekend, Dan!
And please do not hesitate to ask me anything
Eva V.

[Eva Victoria]

I will put up a website and I'll post the link here.
It is 40 ml package and the price is a bit unsure at the moment. (It depends very much on the total cost that I do not yet know.)
Thank you for your interest

I would be interested in this sunscreen as well.

I am curious though, living in Norway it seems the average UV levels would be relatively low given the northern latitude range of your country such that the need for sunscreen would be less than that of lower latitudes. Of course, I realize there is UV; my only thought is that it would be at a low enough level that it wouldn't be overly detrimental such as at my location in the US which is around 35 degrees. Just wanted to hear your thoughts when you have a chance.

In addition to sunscreen I also supplement with lycopene, astaxanthin, lutein, etc. which have been shown to give the skin a much higher resistance to ultraviolet damage not to mention giving a nice coloring for those of us who avoid the sun and tend to be quite pale.

Indeed, a higher altitude will require less sun protection and in a shorter period of the year. But it never hurts to use a high SPF and UVA protection.
A sunscreen with ZnO 19% and OMC 7.5% together with SPF and PPD boosting ingredients (SPF 50+ and PPD 22) will have adequate protection even at the Equator (broad-brimmed hat and sunglasses along with protective clothing are recommended).
But no sunscreen alone can protect 100% anywhere. So sun-avoidance is the number one and most successful protection against UVR. Broad-brimmed hats and protective clothing along with sunscreen is the second line of defense.)
Unfortunately in our sun-worshiping culture, we tend to forget this and believe that a sunscreen alone can protect us fully.
Wearing sunscreen everyday (and reapplying it every 2h if it is of organic filters) is of course better than not wearing any. But it is not the same as not being outside (even in the shade).

Forgot to add that supplements lycopene, astaxanthin, lutein, etc. are an additional way to boost your own natural protection against UVB (and partially against UVA) rays.

Edited by Eva Victoria, 23 March 2012 - 07:34 PM.

[Stefanovic]

are there any brands on the market containing lycopene, astaxanthin, lutein, etc so you don't you to buy too many supps?

[Daniel Qamar]

Me too. I'd be interested in buying any sunscreen that you make. I trust your knowledge and expertise in this area.

Eva: Sorry to be a pain... but whenever you get a free moment, are you able to respond to my previous message. Thank you =)
Haha, you can tell I'm keen.

BTW, off topic... I've noticed all the countries that you guys live in... Norway, Switzerland... wow. Such amazingly beautiful countries. I remember travelling there once a few years ago... I honestly had to keep picking my jaw up from the floor... the beauty of these countries was just mind-blowing! Especially Norway... (Bergen and the fjords...). Norway was unbelievably expensive! Most expensive country I've ever been to... and no doubt the most expensive in the world... I'm jealous... wish I could live there. Australia is an awesome country, but I honestly don't think it's beautiful (subjective).

Thank you for your trust, Daniel! And for your beautiful wordds about Norway. (It has its dark side as well! Like 2-4 month a year

I am awfully sorry for taking so long to answer your previous post! Now it is done as well

It's not problem at all, Eva. Thank you =)

I've been reading through all your posts on sunscreens in order to educate myself a bit more on them as I'm quite obsessed with it (living in Australia, the sun is brutal at times). I've learned quite a bit from you... it's really helped - thank you! I was always concious about what ingredients are in sunscreens before purchasing them... but now I pay more attention.

I just have a few questions if that's okay.

Someone had once asked you to recommend them a good sunscreen with a high amount of Zinc Oxide. You'd recommended them Chanel Precision UV Essentiel Multi-Protection SPF50, which contains the following active ingredients:

Octinoxate 7.5%
Titanium Dioxide 2%
Zinc Oxide 17.1%

I purchased this online and must say that I'm quite pleased. I had been looking for a good physical sunscreen with no white cast for quite a while.

My question is (sorry for the long post!!)

1. Do I need to reapply this sunscreen? I work in an office environment and do not sweat or touch my face... I know that chemical sunscreens need to be reapplied... but I'm not 100% certain as to whether or not sunscreens with such a high amount of Zinc Oxide would need repplication?

2. Are there any other physical sunscreens which you've come across which are as good or if not better? You're an avid recommender (if that's even a word lol) of Anthelios and Bioderma sunscreens... but I'm sure that they're chemical. Are you able to suggest other/better physical sunscreens such as the Chanel one? Or is this one pretty good?

I'm just nuts about finding the best of the best! Anything decent will do until yours comes out

3. You'd mentioned that your 2008 sunscreen did not require reapplication (as long as you don't sweat or touch your face, of course). Is this the case for the physical sunscreen version that you're developing now?

Thanks so much for your help - I really appreciate it.

I'll be checking this thread weekly in the hopes to find new information or even a possible release date for your new sunscreen, as I know a large number of people in both my family and circle of friends would be interested in this as they all use sunscreen religiously.

Thanks again =)

Dan

Hi Dan,

Physical sunscreens do not degrade in UV light. Hence there is no need for reapplying it. But in case of excessive sweating, wiping off the face, bathing etc. it should also be reapplied generously.
LRP and Bioderma are good sunscreens (and as you mentioned) of the chemical type. They are good for people who don't like (or wish to have) the whitening effect of ZnO.
As I mentioned in previous posts, organic UV filters are much more economical since there is less percentage is needed and they do produce much higher UVA values (for much lower cost).
But there is no other UV filter that has as broad UV-protective effect as ZnO (290-520nm depending on particle size). There is only one UVA filter that has such a high UVA protection as ZnO, that is Tinosorb M. AVO, Uvinul A do not even come close. (But both give very high PPD values when measured). So many people believe that high PPD values mean good UVA protection. But lower PPD values with full protection up to 400 nm is much more reliable than a high PPD and no protection from 370 nm.
PPD and SPF values are only numbers. A PPD of 38 (LRP Anthelios EU version SPF 50+) will filter 97.25% at 358 nm. A PPD of 15 (for a ZnO sunscreen) will filter 93% of the UVA rays at 380nm. At 390-400nm the first sunscreen will not provide any protection while the ZnO containing will provide at least 85-90% protection at 390 nm and minimum 50% protection at 400nm. This is of course particle size dependent for ZnO (and TiO2) containing sunscreens.

I did come across a very nice sunscreen from La Mer (SPF 30, UVA about 10; 10% ZnO, 7.5% OMC). It has a very nice fluid consistency and an absolutely invisible finish. This of course is not so good because it means that the particles are too small for adequate UVA protection in the longer wavelength. But addin an additional 9% of ZnO (particle size of 100-200nm) you will have a very nice sunscreen. The price is outrageous though.
there is the other sunscreen with a very light consistency from MDformulation SPF 30 (7.5% OMC, 5.9% ZnO, 5% Ethylhexyl Salicilate). It has a bit too low ZnO content but it has larger particle size. So it should provide about PPD 6-8 and at least up to 380nm.

Have a nice weekend, Dan!
And please do not hesitate to ask me anything
Eva V.

Ah, I understand. Thank you for clearing that up That question has plagued me for quite some time.

Does that mean that the Chanel sunscreen I've listed above be somewhere between a 18-20 PPD?

I've done a bit of research on it and came across a website which actually listed how much of the active ingredients is in it:

Octinoxate 2.25 mL in 30 mL
Titanium Dioxide 0.6 mL in 30 mL
Zinc Oxide 5.13 mL in 30 mL

I really like the fact that the Chanel sunscreen incorporates both of the physical protectors in order to emphasise the UVA protection.

In your opinion, do you think this provides adequate UV-A protection?

Thank you for the La Mer recommendation. I tend to steer clear of this brand though due to their insane price tags

Thanks! Hope you have an awesome weekend as well... the weather here is bright, sunny... without a cloud in the sky. It's a cold 22 degrees.

[nupi]

Eva,
what kind of pricing are we looking at for this sunscreen?

[nupi]

Eva,
what kind of pricing are we looking at for this sunscreen?

[sapentia]

But no sunscreen alone can protect 100% anywhere. So sun-avoidance is the number one and most successful protection against UVR. Broad-brimmed hats and protective clothing along with sunscreen is the second line of defense.)
Unfortunately in our sun-worshiping culture, we tend to forget this and believe that a sunscreen alone can protect us fully.
Wearing sunscreen everyday (and reapplying it every 2h if it is of organic filters) is of course better than not wearing any. But it is not the same as not being outside (even in the shade).

Forgot to add that supplements lycopene, astaxanthin, lutein, etc. are an additional way to boost your own natural protection against UVB (and partially against UVA) rays.

I completely agree, I am always wearing long sleaves. I've got this big ass wide brim hat I wear when I'm outside alot of the time and sometimes get razzed for it by relatives, we'll see who looks like splotchy leather in 30 years!

Please let us know when/if your sunscreen becomes available.

PS, for those who only focus on sun related skin aging be aware that sugar contributes to skin aging by advanced glycation endproducts and other nasty effects in the skin. Anti-aging is very multi-faceted.

[Eva Victoria]

Me too. I'd be interested in buying any sunscreen that you make. I trust your knowledge and expertise in this area.

Eva: Sorry to be a pain... but whenever you get a free moment, are you able to respond to my previous message. Thank you =)
Haha, you can tell I'm keen.

BTW, off topic... I've noticed all the countries that you guys live in... Norway, Switzerland... wow. Such amazingly beautiful countries. I remember travelling there once a few years ago... I honestly had to keep picking my jaw up from the floor... the beauty of these countries was just mind-blowing! Especially Norway... (Bergen and the fjords...). Norway was unbelievably expensive! Most expensive country I've ever been to... and no doubt the most expensive in the world... I'm jealous... wish I could live there. Australia is an awesome country, but I honestly don't think it's beautiful (subjective).

Thank you for your trust, Daniel! And for your beautiful wordds about Norway. (It has its dark side as well! Like 2-4 month a year

I am awfully sorry for taking so long to answer your previous post! Now it is done as well

It's not problem at all, Eva. Thank you =)

I've been reading through all your posts on sunscreens in order to educate myself a bit more on them as I'm quite obsessed with it (living in Australia, the sun is brutal at times). I've learned quite a bit from you... it's really helped - thank you! I was always concious about what ingredients are in sunscreens before purchasing them... but now I pay more attention.

I just have a few questions if that's okay.

Someone had once asked you to recommend them a good sunscreen with a high amount of Zinc Oxide. You'd recommended them Chanel Precision UV Essentiel Multi-Protection SPF50, which contains the following active ingredients:

Octinoxate 7.5%
Titanium Dioxide 2%
Zinc Oxide 17.1%

I purchased this online and must say that I'm quite pleased. I had been looking for a good physical sunscreen with no white cast for quite a while.

My question is (sorry for the long post!!)

1. Do I need to reapply this sunscreen? I work in an office environment and do not sweat or touch my face... I know that chemical sunscreens need to be reapplied... but I'm not 100% certain as to whether or not sunscreens with such a high amount of Zinc Oxide would need repplication?

2. Are there any other physical sunscreens which you've come across which are as good or if not better? You're an avid recommender (if that's even a word lol) of Anthelios and Bioderma sunscreens... but I'm sure that they're chemical. Are you able to suggest other/better physical sunscreens such as the Chanel one? Or is this one pretty good?

I'm just nuts about finding the best of the best! Anything decent will do until yours comes out

3. You'd mentioned that your 2008 sunscreen did not require reapplication (as long as you don't sweat or touch your face, of course). Is this the case for the physical sunscreen version that you're developing now?

Thanks so much for your help - I really appreciate it.

I'll be checking this thread weekly in the hopes to find new information or even a possible release date for your new sunscreen, as I know a large number of people in both my family and circle of friends would be interested in this as they all use sunscreen religiously.

Thanks again =)

Dan

Hi Dan,

Physical sunscreens do not degrade in UV light. Hence there is no need for reapplying it. But in case of excessive sweating, wiping off the face, bathing etc. it should also be reapplied generously.
LRP and Bioderma are good sunscreens (and as you mentioned) of the chemical type. They are good for people who don't like (or wish to have) the whitening effect of ZnO.
As I mentioned in previous posts, organic UV filters are much more economical since there is less percentage is needed and they do produce much higher UVA values (for much lower cost).
But there is no other UV filter that has as broad UV-protective effect as ZnO (290-520nm depending on particle size). There is only one UVA filter that has such a high UVA protection as ZnO, that is Tinosorb M. AVO, Uvinul A do not even come close. (But both give very high PPD values when measured). So many people believe that high PPD values mean good UVA protection. But lower PPD values with full protection up to 400 nm is much more reliable than a high PPD and no protection from 370 nm.
PPD and SPF values are only numbers. A PPD of 38 (LRP Anthelios EU version SPF 50+) will filter 97.25% at 358 nm. A PPD of 15 (for a ZnO sunscreen) will filter 93% of the UVA rays at 380nm. At 390-400nm the first sunscreen will not provide any protection while the ZnO containing will provide at least 85-90% protection at 390 nm and minimum 50% protection at 400nm. This is of course particle size dependent for ZnO (and TiO2) containing sunscreens.

I did come across a very nice sunscreen from La Mer (SPF 30, UVA about 10; 10% ZnO, 7.5% OMC). It has a very nice fluid consistency and an absolutely invisible finish. This of course is not so good because it means that the particles are too small for adequate UVA protection in the longer wavelength. But addin an additional 9% of ZnO (particle size of 100-200nm) you will have a very nice sunscreen. The price is outrageous though.
there is the other sunscreen with a very light consistency from MDformulation SPF 30 (7.5% OMC, 5.9% ZnO, 5% Ethylhexyl Salicilate). It has a bit too low ZnO content but it has larger particle size. So it should provide about PPD 6-8 and at least up to 380nm.

Have a nice weekend, Dan!
And please do not hesitate to ask me anything
Eva V.

Ah, I understand. Thank you for clearing that up That question has plagued me for quite some time.

Does that mean that the Chanel sunscreen I've listed above be somewhere between a 18-20 PPD?

I've done a bit of research on it and came across a website which actually listed how much of the active ingredients is in it:

Octinoxate 2.25 mL in 30 mL
Titanium Dioxide 0.6 mL in 30 mL
Zinc Oxide 5.13 mL in 30 mL

I really like the fact that the Chanel sunscreen incorporates both of the physical protectors in order to emphasise the UVA protection.

In your opinion, do you think this provides adequate UV-A protection?

Thank you for the La Mer recommendation. I tend to steer clear of this brand though due to their insane price tags

Thanks! Hope you have an awesome weekend as well... the weather here is bright, sunny... without a cloud in the sky. It's a cold 22 degrees.

I agree with you on the insane price tags of La Mer.
The UV-fluid from Chanel has 17% ZnO, 2.4% TiO2 and 7.5% OMC. On some markets (like the US) it has 19% ZnO and 7.5% OMC. It should provide medium UVA protection for everyday use. I think the ZnO is a bit of the smaller particle size (hence the non-whitening efffect even at such high concentration). It should mean that it provides UVA protection up to about 375 nm and then it is much less. It might still somewhat protect at 390 nm. (If they use ZnO from Sunjin chemicals with the particle size of 40nm, then it is definitely does not have any protection after 375 nm though).
I would assume that the PPD is between 10-15 (judging from the particle size. I read somewhere it only had PPD 10. I don't know whether it is correct. One should run some tests in the lab to find the exact UV-mapping for this sunscreen).

Yesterday I forgot to add that Skinceuticals also has a physical sunscreen in a light sheer formulation: Sheer Physical UV Defense SPF 50 UVA 20 (according to their site). It is 50 ml and comes with a coloured formula and a non-coloured one. It is $ 30.
The ingredients: Titanium Dioxide (5%), Zinc Oxide (6%); Water, Dimethicone, Isododecane, C12-15 Alkyl Benzoate, Undecane, Triethylhexanoin, Isohexadecane, Nylon-12, Caprylyl Methicone, Butyloctyl Salicylate, Phenethyl Benzoate, Styrene/Acrylates Copolymer, Silica, Tridecane, Dicaprylyl Carbonate, Dicaprylyl Ether, Talc, Dimethicone/Peg-10/15 Crosspolymer, Aluminum Stearate, Pentylene Glycol, Peg-9 Polydimethylsiloxyethyl Dimethicone, Alumina, Polyhydroxystearic Acid, Phenoxyethanol, Magnesium Sulfate, Caprylyl Glycol, Peg-8 Laurate, Disteardimonium Hectorite, Tocopherol, Propylene Carbonate, Artemia Extract, Benzoic Acid, Peg 9

It is exactly the same formulation as LRP Anthelios 50 Mineral Ultra Light Sunscreen Fluid SPF 50 Face (except it contains TiO2 only. LRP says it has PPD 20). (Both Skinceuticals and LRP are owned by L'Oreal).
Titanium Dioxide (11%) Other: Water, Isododecane, C12-15 Alkyl Benzoate, Dimethicone, Undecane, Triethylhexanoin, Isohexadecane, Styrene/Acrylates Copolymer, Nylon-12, Caprylyl Methicone, Butyloctyl Salicylate, Phenethyl Benzoate, Silica, Tridecane, Dicaprylyl Carbonate, Dicaprylyl Ether, Talc, Dimethicone/PEG-10/15 Crosspolymer, Aluminum Stearate, Pentylene Glycol, PEG-9 Polydimethylsiloxyethyl Dimethicone, Alumina, Polyhydroxystearic Acid, Phenoxyethanol, Magnesium Sulfate, Propylene Glycol, Caprylyl Glycol, Aluminum Hydroxide, PEG-8 Laurate, Stearic Acid, Disteardimonium Hectorite, Diethylhexyl Syringylidenemalonate, Tocopherol, Propylene Carbonate, Cassia Alata Leaf Extract, Maltodextrin, Benzoic Acid, PEG-9

I would still go for Skinceuticals. The ZnO they use is Z-Cote HP-1 which provides UVA protection to 380nm and there is still protection at 400 nm.

[Daniel Qamar]

Me too. I'd be interested in buying any sunscreen that you make. I trust your knowledge and expertise in this area.

Eva: Sorry to be a pain... but whenever you get a free moment, are you able to respond to my previous message. Thank you =)
Haha, you can tell I'm keen.

BTW, off topic... I've noticed all the countries that you guys live in... Norway, Switzerland... wow. Such amazingly beautiful countries. I remember travelling there once a few years ago... I honestly had to keep picking my jaw up from the floor... the beauty of these countries was just mind-blowing! Especially Norway... (Bergen and the fjords...). Norway was unbelievably expensive! Most expensive country I've ever been to... and no doubt the most expensive in the world... I'm jealous... wish I could live there. Australia is an awesome country, but I honestly don't think it's beautiful (subjective).

Thank you for your trust, Daniel! And for your beautiful wordds about Norway. (It has its dark side as well! Like 2-4 month a year

I am awfully sorry for taking so long to answer your previous post! Now it is done as well

It's not problem at all, Eva. Thank you =)

I've been reading through all your posts on sunscreens in order to educate myself a bit more on them as I'm quite obsessed with it (living in Australia, the sun is brutal at times). I've learned quite a bit from you... it's really helped - thank you! I was always concious about what ingredients are in sunscreens before purchasing them... but now I pay more attention.

I just have a few questions if that's okay.

Someone had once asked you to recommend them a good sunscreen with a high amount of Zinc Oxide. You'd recommended them Chanel Precision UV Essentiel Multi-Protection SPF50, which contains the following active ingredients:

Octinoxate 7.5%
Titanium Dioxide 2%
Zinc Oxide 17.1%

I purchased this online and must say that I'm quite pleased. I had been looking for a good physical sunscreen with no white cast for quite a while.

My question is (sorry for the long post!!)

1. Do I need to reapply this sunscreen? I work in an office environment and do not sweat or touch my face... I know that chemical sunscreens need to be reapplied... but I'm not 100% certain as to whether or not sunscreens with such a high amount of Zinc Oxide would need repplication?

2. Are there any other physical sunscreens which you've come across which are as good or if not better? You're an avid recommender (if that's even a word lol) of Anthelios and Bioderma sunscreens... but I'm sure that they're chemical. Are you able to suggest other/better physical sunscreens such as the Chanel one? Or is this one pretty good?

I'm just nuts about finding the best of the best! Anything decent will do until yours comes out

3. You'd mentioned that your 2008 sunscreen did not require reapplication (as long as you don't sweat or touch your face, of course). Is this the case for the physical sunscreen version that you're developing now?

Thanks so much for your help - I really appreciate it.

I'll be checking this thread weekly in the hopes to find new information or even a possible release date for your new sunscreen, as I know a large number of people in both my family and circle of friends would be interested in this as they all use sunscreen religiously.

Thanks again =)

Dan

Hi Dan,

Physical sunscreens do not degrade in UV light. Hence there is no need for reapplying it. But in case of excessive sweating, wiping off the face, bathing etc. it should also be reapplied generously.
LRP and Bioderma are good sunscreens (and as you mentioned) of the chemical type. They are good for people who don't like (or wish to have) the whitening effect of ZnO.
As I mentioned in previous posts, organic UV filters are much more economical since there is less percentage is needed and they do produce much higher UVA values (for much lower cost).
But there is no other UV filter that has as broad UV-protective effect as ZnO (290-520nm depending on particle size). There is only one UVA filter that has such a high UVA protection as ZnO, that is Tinosorb M. AVO, Uvinul A do not even come close. (But both give very high PPD values when measured). So many people believe that high PPD values mean good UVA protection. But lower PPD values with full protection up to 400 nm is much more reliable than a high PPD and no protection from 370 nm.
PPD and SPF values are only numbers. A PPD of 38 (LRP Anthelios EU version SPF 50+) will filter 97.25% at 358 nm. A PPD of 15 (for a ZnO sunscreen) will filter 93% of the UVA rays at 380nm. At 390-400nm the first sunscreen will not provide any protection while the ZnO containing will provide at least 85-90% protection at 390 nm and minimum 50% protection at 400nm. This is of course particle size dependent for ZnO (and TiO2) containing sunscreens.

I did come across a very nice sunscreen from La Mer (SPF 30, UVA about 10; 10% ZnO, 7.5% OMC). It has a very nice fluid consistency and an absolutely invisible finish. This of course is not so good because it means that the particles are too small for adequate UVA protection in the longer wavelength. But addin an additional 9% of ZnO (particle size of 100-200nm) you will have a very nice sunscreen. The price is outrageous though.
there is the other sunscreen with a very light consistency from MDformulation SPF 30 (7.5% OMC, 5.9% ZnO, 5% Ethylhexyl Salicilate). It has a bit too low ZnO content but it has larger particle size. So it should provide about PPD 6-8 and at least up to 380nm.

Have a nice weekend, Dan!
And please do not hesitate to ask me anything
Eva V.

Ah, I understand. Thank you for clearing that up That question has plagued me for quite some time.

Does that mean that the Chanel sunscreen I've listed above be somewhere between a 18-20 PPD?

I've done a bit of research on it and came across a website which actually listed how much of the active ingredients is in it:

Octinoxate 2.25 mL in 30 mL
Titanium Dioxide 0.6 mL in 30 mL
Zinc Oxide 5.13 mL in 30 mL

I really like the fact that the Chanel sunscreen incorporates both of the physical protectors in order to emphasise the UVA protection.

In your opinion, do you think this provides adequate UV-A protection?

Thank you for the La Mer recommendation. I tend to steer clear of this brand though due to their insane price tags

Thanks! Hope you have an awesome weekend as well... the weather here is bright, sunny... without a cloud in the sky. It's a cold 22 degrees.

I agree with you on the insane price tags of La Mer.
The UV-fluid from Chanel has 17% ZnO, 2.4% TiO2 and 7.5% OMC. On some markets (like the US) it has 19% ZnO and 7.5% OMC. It should provide medium UVA protection for everyday use. I think the ZnO is a bit of the smaller particle size (hence the non-whitening efffect even at such high concentration). It should mean that it provides UVA protection up to about 375 nm and then it is much less. It might still somewhat protect at 390 nm. (If they use ZnO from Sunjin chemicals with the particle size of 40nm, then it is definitely does not have any protection after 375 nm though).
I would assume that the PPD is between 10-15 (judging from the particle size. I read somewhere it only had PPD 10. I don't know whether it is correct. One should run some tests in the lab to find the exact UV-mapping for this sunscreen).

Yesterday I forgot to add that Skinceuticals also has a physical sunscreen in a light sheer formulation: Sheer Physical UV Defense SPF 50 UVA 20 (according to their site). It is 50 ml and comes with a coloured formula and a non-coloured one. It is $ 30.
The ingredients: Titanium Dioxide (5%), Zinc Oxide (6%); Water, Dimethicone, Isododecane, C12-15 Alkyl Benzoate, Undecane, Triethylhexanoin, Isohexadecane, Nylon-12, Caprylyl Methicone, Butyloctyl Salicylate, Phenethyl Benzoate, Styrene/Acrylates Copolymer, Silica, Tridecane, Dicaprylyl Carbonate, Dicaprylyl Ether, Talc, Dimethicone/Peg-10/15 Crosspolymer, Aluminum Stearate, Pentylene Glycol, Peg-9 Polydimethylsiloxyethyl Dimethicone, Alumina, Polyhydroxystearic Acid, Phenoxyethanol, Magnesium Sulfate, Caprylyl Glycol, Peg-8 Laurate, Disteardimonium Hectorite, Tocopherol, Propylene Carbonate, Artemia Extract, Benzoic Acid, Peg 9

It is exactly the same formulation as LRP Anthelios 50 Mineral Ultra Light Sunscreen Fluid SPF 50 Face (except it contains TiO2 only. LRP says it has PPD 20). (Both Skinceuticals and LRP are owned by L'Oreal).
Titanium Dioxide (11%) Other: Water, Isododecane, C12-15 Alkyl Benzoate, Dimethicone, Undecane, Triethylhexanoin, Isohexadecane, Styrene/Acrylates Copolymer, Nylon-12, Caprylyl Methicone, Butyloctyl Salicylate, Phenethyl Benzoate, Silica, Tridecane, Dicaprylyl Carbonate, Dicaprylyl Ether, Talc, Dimethicone/PEG-10/15 Crosspolymer, Aluminum Stearate, Pentylene Glycol, PEG-9 Polydimethylsiloxyethyl Dimethicone, Alumina, Polyhydroxystearic Acid, Phenoxyethanol, Magnesium Sulfate, Propylene Glycol, Caprylyl Glycol, Aluminum Hydroxide, PEG-8 Laurate, Stearic Acid, Disteardimonium Hectorite, Diethylhexyl Syringylidenemalonate, Tocopherol, Propylene Carbonate, Cassia Alata Leaf Extract, Maltodextrin, Benzoic Acid, PEG-9

I would still go for Skinceuticals. The ZnO they use is Z-Cote HP-1 which provides UVA protection to 380nm and there is still protection at 400 nm.

Thanks Eva! I'll have a look online and will purchase the Skin Ceuticals sunscreen. It's definitely worth it if it can provide that extra UVA of 10 or so.

Thank you for your recommendation. Based on the reviews which I've read, it seems to be light and doesn't leave too much of a white cast *fingers crossed*

Thanks again :-)

Oh and more thing... You've mentioned many times that you like sunscreens with a high concentration of Zinc Oxide... I can see that the concentration of the Skin Ceuticals one isn't that high.
You've mentioned somewhere in the forum that you weren't sure how the company was able to claim such a high PPD with such a low percentage of these 2 physical blockers... I agree and am suddenly very confused. Would you suggest that I trust these claims of such a high PPD and go ahead and use it... Or...? I'm very confused. I'm hoping you're able to shed some light on this.

I've been in search of an excellent physical sunscreen for daily use for so long. Every time that I think I've found a good one, I always seem to find information claiming otherwise :-(

I do respect your knowledge on this topic and will purchase whichever physical sunscreen you think has the best protection with an emphasis on UVA protection. Thanks :-)

Edited by Daniel Qamar, 24 March 2012 - 11:43 PM.

[Eva Victoria]

Me too. I'd be interested in buying any sunscreen that you make. I trust your knowledge and expertise in this area.

Eva: Sorry to be a pain... but whenever you get a free moment, are you able to respond to my previous message. Thank you =)
Haha, you can tell I'm keen.

BTW, off topic... I've noticed all the countries that you guys live in... Norway, Switzerland... wow. Such amazingly beautiful countries. I remember travelling there once a few years ago... I honestly had to keep picking my jaw up from the floor... the beauty of these countries was just mind-blowing! Especially Norway... (Bergen and the fjords...). Norway was unbelievably expensive! Most expensive country I've ever been to... and no doubt the most expensive in the world... I'm jealous... wish I could live there. Australia is an awesome country, but I honestly don't think it's beautiful (subjective).

Thank you for your trust, Daniel! And for your beautiful wordds about Norway. (It has its dark side as well! Like 2-4 month a year

I am awfully sorry for taking so long to answer your previous post! Now it is done as well

It's not problem at all, Eva. Thank you =)

I've been reading through all your posts on sunscreens in order to educate myself a bit more on them as I'm quite obsessed with it (living in Australia, the sun is brutal at times). I've learned quite a bit from you... it's really helped - thank you! I was always concious about what ingredients are in sunscreens before purchasing them... but now I pay more attention.

I just have a few questions if that's okay.

Someone had once asked you to recommend them a good sunscreen with a high amount of Zinc Oxide. You'd recommended them Chanel Precision UV Essentiel Multi-Protection SPF50, which contains the following active ingredients:

Octinoxate 7.5%
Titanium Dioxide 2%
Zinc Oxide 17.1%

I purchased this online and must say that I'm quite pleased. I had been looking for a good physical sunscreen with no white cast for quite a while.

My question is (sorry for the long post!!)

1. Do I need to reapply this sunscreen? I work in an office environment and do not sweat or touch my face... I know that chemical sunscreens need to be reapplied... but I'm not 100% certain as to whether or not sunscreens with such a high amount of Zinc Oxide would need repplication?

2. Are there any other physical sunscreens which you've come across which are as good or if not better? You're an avid recommender (if that's even a word lol) of Anthelios and Bioderma sunscreens... but I'm sure that they're chemical. Are you able to suggest other/better physical sunscreens such as the Chanel one? Or is this one pretty good?

I'm just nuts about finding the best of the best! Anything decent will do until yours comes out

3. You'd mentioned that your 2008 sunscreen did not require reapplication (as long as you don't sweat or touch your face, of course). Is this the case for the physical sunscreen version that you're developing now?

Thanks so much for your help - I really appreciate it.

I'll be checking this thread weekly in the hopes to find new information or even a possible release date for your new sunscreen, as I know a large number of people in both my family and circle of friends would be interested in this as they all use sunscreen religiously.

Thanks again =)

Dan

Hi Dan,

Physical sunscreens do not degrade in UV light. Hence there is no need for reapplying it. But in case of excessive sweating, wiping off the face, bathing etc. it should also be reapplied generously.
LRP and Bioderma are good sunscreens (and as you mentioned) of the chemical type. They are good for people who don't like (or wish to have) the whitening effect of ZnO.
As I mentioned in previous posts, organic UV filters are much more economical since there is less percentage is needed and they do produce much higher UVA values (for much lower cost).
But there is no other UV filter that has as broad UV-protective effect as ZnO (290-520nm depending on particle size). There is only one UVA filter that has such a high UVA protection as ZnO, that is Tinosorb M. AVO, Uvinul A do not even come close. (But both give very high PPD values when measured). So many people believe that high PPD values mean good UVA protection. But lower PPD values with full protection up to 400 nm is much more reliable than a high PPD and no protection from 370 nm.
PPD and SPF values are only numbers. A PPD of 38 (LRP Anthelios EU version SPF 50+) will filter 97.25% at 358 nm. A PPD of 15 (for a ZnO sunscreen) will filter 93% of the UVA rays at 380nm. At 390-400nm the first sunscreen will not provide any protection while the ZnO containing will provide at least 85-90% protection at 390 nm and minimum 50% protection at 400nm. This is of course particle size dependent for ZnO (and TiO2) containing sunscreens.

I did come across a very nice sunscreen from La Mer (SPF 30, UVA about 10; 10% ZnO, 7.5% OMC). It has a very nice fluid consistency and an absolutely invisible finish. This of course is not so good because it means that the particles are too small for adequate UVA protection in the longer wavelength. But addin an additional 9% of ZnO (particle size of 100-200nm) you will have a very nice sunscreen. The price is outrageous though.
there is the other sunscreen with a very light consistency from MDformulation SPF 30 (7.5% OMC, 5.9% ZnO, 5% Ethylhexyl Salicilate). It has a bit too low ZnO content but it has larger particle size. So it should provide about PPD 6-8 and at least up to 380nm.

Have a nice weekend, Dan!
And please do not hesitate to ask me anything
Eva V.

Ah, I understand. Thank you for clearing that up That question has plagued me for quite some time.

Does that mean that the Chanel sunscreen I've listed above be somewhere between a 18-20 PPD?

I've done a bit of research on it and came across a website which actually listed how much of the active ingredients is in it:

Octinoxate 2.25 mL in 30 mL
Titanium Dioxide 0.6 mL in 30 mL
Zinc Oxide 5.13 mL in 30 mL

I really like the fact that the Chanel sunscreen incorporates both of the physical protectors in order to emphasise the UVA protection.

In your opinion, do you think this provides adequate UV-A protection?

Thank you for the La Mer recommendation. I tend to steer clear of this brand though due to their insane price tags

Thanks! Hope you have an awesome weekend as well... the weather here is bright, sunny... without a cloud in the sky. It's a cold 22 degrees.

I agree with you on the insane price tags of La Mer.
The UV-fluid from Chanel has 17% ZnO, 2.4% TiO2 and 7.5% OMC. On some markets (like the US) it has 19% ZnO and 7.5% OMC. It should provide medium UVA protection for everyday use. I think the ZnO is a bit of the smaller particle size (hence the non-whitening efffect even at such high concentration). It should mean that it provides UVA protection up to about 375 nm and then it is much less. It might still somewhat protect at 390 nm. (If they use ZnO from Sunjin chemicals with the particle size of 40nm, then it is definitely does not have any protection after 375 nm though).
I would assume that the PPD is between 10-15 (judging from the particle size. I read somewhere it only had PPD 10. I don't know whether it is correct. One should run some tests in the lab to find the exact UV-mapping for this sunscreen).

Yesterday I forgot to add that Skinceuticals also has a physical sunscreen in a light sheer formulation: Sheer Physical UV Defense SPF 50 UVA 20 (according to their site). It is 50 ml and comes with a coloured formula and a non-coloured one. It is $ 30.
The ingredients: Titanium Dioxide (5%), Zinc Oxide (6%); Water, Dimethicone, Isododecane, C12-15 Alkyl Benzoate, Undecane, Triethylhexanoin, Isohexadecane, Nylon-12, Caprylyl Methicone, Butyloctyl Salicylate, Phenethyl Benzoate, Styrene/Acrylates Copolymer, Silica, Tridecane, Dicaprylyl Carbonate, Dicaprylyl Ether, Talc, Dimethicone/Peg-10/15 Crosspolymer, Aluminum Stearate, Pentylene Glycol, Peg-9 Polydimethylsiloxyethyl Dimethicone, Alumina, Polyhydroxystearic Acid, Phenoxyethanol, Magnesium Sulfate, Caprylyl Glycol, Peg-8 Laurate, Disteardimonium Hectorite, Tocopherol, Propylene Carbonate, Artemia Extract, Benzoic Acid, Peg 9

It is exactly the same formulation as LRP Anthelios 50 Mineral Ultra Light Sunscreen Fluid SPF 50 Face (except it contains TiO2 only. LRP says it has PPD 20). (Both Skinceuticals and LRP are owned by L'Oreal).
Titanium Dioxide (11%) Other: Water, Isododecane, C12-15 Alkyl Benzoate, Dimethicone, Undecane, Triethylhexanoin, Isohexadecane, Styrene/Acrylates Copolymer, Nylon-12, Caprylyl Methicone, Butyloctyl Salicylate, Phenethyl Benzoate, Silica, Tridecane, Dicaprylyl Carbonate, Dicaprylyl Ether, Talc, Dimethicone/PEG-10/15 Crosspolymer, Aluminum Stearate, Pentylene Glycol, PEG-9 Polydimethylsiloxyethyl Dimethicone, Alumina, Polyhydroxystearic Acid, Phenoxyethanol, Magnesium Sulfate, Propylene Glycol, Caprylyl Glycol, Aluminum Hydroxide, PEG-8 Laurate, Stearic Acid, Disteardimonium Hectorite, Diethylhexyl Syringylidenemalonate, Tocopherol, Propylene Carbonate, Cassia Alata Leaf Extract, Maltodextrin, Benzoic Acid, PEG-9

I would still go for Skinceuticals. The ZnO they use is Z-Cote HP-1 which provides UVA protection to 380nm and there is still protection at 400 nm.

Thanks Eva! I'll have a look online and will purchase the Skin Ceuticals sunscreen. It's definitely worth it if it can provide that extra UVA of 10 or so.

Thank you for your recommendation. Based on the reviews which I've read, it seems to be light and doesn't leave too much of a white cast *fingers crossed*

Thanks again :-)

Oh and more thing... You've mentioned many times that you like sunscreens with a high concentration of Zinc Oxide... I can see that the concentration of the Skin Ceuticals one isn't that high.
You've mentioned somewhere in the forum that you weren't sure how the company was able to claim such a high PPD with such a low percentage of these 2 physical blockers... I agree and am suddenly very confused. Would you suggest that I trust these claims of such a high PPD and go ahead and use it... Or...? I'm very confused. I'm hoping you're able to shed some light on this.

I've been in search of an excellent physical sunscreen for daily use for so long. Every time that I think I've found a good one, I always seem to find information claiming otherwise :-(

I do respect your knowledge on this topic and will purchase whichever physical sunscreen you think has the best protection with an emphasis on UVA protection. Thanks :-)

To be honest, I am very unsure well the Skinceutical sunscreen (nor the LRP Mineral) protects againt UVA. I have never seen this these) sunscreen(s) and to be able to tell more one should run some tests. But if it leaves a white (-ish) cast on the skin after absorption than the UVA protection should be good enough for daily use.

[happy lemon]

Hi Eva,

Is the new sunscreen sweat and water proof?

By the way, any idea how soon it is available in the market? My sunscreen is running low and I may use it up by the end of Apr.

[Eva Victoria]

Hi Eva,

Is the new sunscreen sweat and water proof?

By the way, any idea how soon it is available in the market? My sunscreen is running low and I may use it up by the end of Apr.

Hi Happy Lemon,

It is designed to be used everyday (more like a city-sunscreen). Its main attributes are the high UVB and UVA protection (up to 400nm), light feel on skin upon application that settles into the very elegant semi-matte weightless finish which feels and looks just like skin (just much better). It evens out skin-tone, imperfections, lessens the appearance of lines, wrinkles and pores. It can also be used alone or as a base before aplication of make-up.
It tolerates some sweating from everyday activities but is is not a beach-sunscreen. It is W/O formulation that means that it will not be removed by water alone but if used for bathing, or in the case of excessive sweating, I'd recommend to reapply it.

I do hope we can go into production very soon. There are some tests remaining for longterm stability. It can take some time but it is crucial for the performance of the emulsion hence the function of the sunscreen itself.

[Daniel Qamar]

Hello Eva, hope you're well =)

Sorry to pester you (yet again), but I've been unable to source a specific sunscreen which I've been using any longer... and would really appeciate it if you're able to give me your opinion on the 2 below sunscreens which I'm now considering to purchase:

Chanel UV Essentiel Protective UV Care-Anti-Pollution SPF50/PA+++

Active Ingredients: Zinc Oxide 19%, Octinoxate 7.5%

Ingredients: Cyclopentasiloxane, Water, Alcohol Denat., Isononyl Isononanoate, Dipropylene Glycol, Glycerin, Neopentyl Glycol Dicaprate, Polymethylsilsequioxane, Polymethyl Methacrylate, Dimethicone, Triethoxycaprylylsilane, Peg-9 Polydimethylsiloxyethyl Dimethicone, Propylene Glycol, Tocopheryl Acetate, Butylene Glycol, Parfum (Fragrance), Hydrolyszed Wheat Protein, Mannitol, Dimethicone/Vinyl Dimethicone Crosspolymer, Methyparaben, Glycogen, Panax Ginseng Root Extract, Aesculus Hippocastanum (Horse Chestnut Seed Extract), Tilia Cordata Wood Extract, Trimethoxycaprylylsilane, Sodium Citrate, Sodium Hyaluronate, Chlorphenesin, Faex (Yeast Extract), Bht, Peg-40 Hydrogenated Castor Oil, Glycyrrhiza Glabra (Licorice) Root Extract, Phenoxyethanol, Calcium Panthothenate, Biotin, Butylparaben, Ehtylparaben, Propylparaben, Titanium Dioxide

and

Christian Dior DIORSNOW UV SHIELD TRANSLUSCENT - SPF50 PA+++


ACTIVE INGREDIENTS: ZINC OXIDE 19.00%, OCTINOXATE (ETHYLHEXYL METHOXYCINNAMATE) 7.50%

OTHER INGREDIENTS: CYCLOPENTASILOXANE - AQUA (WATER) - BUTYLENE GLYCOL - DIPHENYLSILOXY PHENYL TRIMETHICONE - POLYMETHYLSILSESQUIOXANE - PEG-9 POLYDIMETHYLSILOXYETHYL DIMETHICONE - ASCORBYL GLUCOSIDE - GLYCERIN - DIMETHICONE/METHICONE COPOLYMER - PENTYLENE GLYCOL - VINYL DIMETHICONE/METHICONE SILSESQUIOXANE CROSSPOLYMER - TROMETHAMINE - DISTEARDIMONIUM HECTORITE - MAGNESIUM SULFATE - PHENOXYETHANOL - SORBITAN SESQUIISOSTEARATE - BETULA ALBA JUICE - MALTOOLIGOSYL GLUCOSIDE - SILICA DIMETHYL SILYLATE - SODIUM CITRATE - DIMETHICONE/VINYL DIMETHICONE CROSSPOLYMER - HYDROGENATED STARCH HYDROLYSATE - PARFUM (FRAGRANCE) - ETHYLHEXYLGLYCERIN - TETRASODIUM EDTA - TOCOPHEROL - CITRIC ACID - BUTYLPHENYL METHYLPROPIONAL - MALVA SYLVESTRIS (MALLOW) EXTRACT - CITRONELLOL - SODIUM CITRATE - ALPHA-ISOMETHYL IONONE POTASSIUM SORBATE - HIBISCUS ESCULENTUS FRUIT EXTRACT - SODIUM CHLORIDE - PLANKTON EXTRACT - SPIRAEA ULMARIA EXTRACT - SODIUM DNA - BHT - DISODIUM PHOSPHATE - BIOTIN - ERGOTHIONEINE - POTASSIUM CHLORIDE - POTASSIUM PHOSPHATE - TOCOPHEROL N° 05104/A


It's a shame that the only sunscreens I could find with such a high % of Zinc Oxide are branded and expensive =(

Oh, and one more thing!! Is there any update with regards to your new sunscreen and when it may be released (this year hopefully?) ^_^

Thank you, Eva.

[Eva Victoria]

Hello Eva, hope you're well =)

Sorry to pester you (yet again), but I've been unable to source a specific sunscreen which I've been using any longer... and would really appeciate it if you're able to give me your opinion on the 2 below sunscreens which I'm now considering to purchase:

Chanel UV Essentiel Protective UV Care-Anti-Pollution SPF50/PA+++

Active Ingredients: Zinc Oxide 19%, Octinoxate 7.5%

Ingredients: Cyclopentasiloxane, Water, Alcohol Denat., Isononyl Isononanoate, Dipropylene Glycol, Glycerin, Neopentyl Glycol Dicaprate, Polymethylsilsequioxane, Polymethyl Methacrylate, Dimethicone, Triethoxycaprylylsilane, Peg-9 Polydimethylsiloxyethyl Dimethicone, Propylene Glycol, Tocopheryl Acetate, Butylene Glycol, Parfum (Fragrance), Hydrolyszed Wheat Protein, Mannitol, Dimethicone/Vinyl Dimethicone Crosspolymer, Methyparaben, Glycogen, Panax Ginseng Root Extract, Aesculus Hippocastanum (Horse Chestnut Seed Extract), Tilia Cordata Wood Extract, Trimethoxycaprylylsilane, Sodium Citrate, Sodium Hyaluronate, Chlorphenesin, Faex (Yeast Extract), Bht, Peg-40 Hydrogenated Castor Oil, Glycyrrhiza Glabra (Licorice) Root Extract, Phenoxyethanol, Calcium Panthothenate, Biotin, Butylparaben, Ehtylparaben, Propylparaben, Titanium Dioxide

and

Christian Dior DIORSNOW UV SHIELD TRANSLUSCENT - SPF50 PA+++


ACTIVE INGREDIENTS: ZINC OXIDE 19.00%, OCTINOXATE (ETHYLHEXYL METHOXYCINNAMATE) 7.50%

OTHER INGREDIENTS: CYCLOPENTASILOXANE - AQUA (WATER) - BUTYLENE GLYCOL - DIPHENYLSILOXY PHENYL TRIMETHICONE - POLYMETHYLSILSESQUIOXANE - PEG-9 POLYDIMETHYLSILOXYETHYL DIMETHICONE - ASCORBYL GLUCOSIDE - GLYCERIN - DIMETHICONE/METHICONE COPOLYMER - PENTYLENE GLYCOL - VINYL DIMETHICONE/METHICONE SILSESQUIOXANE CROSSPOLYMER - TROMETHAMINE - DISTEARDIMONIUM HECTORITE - MAGNESIUM SULFATE - PHENOXYETHANOL - SORBITAN SESQUIISOSTEARATE - BETULA ALBA JUICE - MALTOOLIGOSYL GLUCOSIDE - SILICA DIMETHYL SILYLATE - SODIUM CITRATE - DIMETHICONE/VINYL DIMETHICONE CROSSPOLYMER - HYDROGENATED STARCH HYDROLYSATE - PARFUM (FRAGRANCE) - ETHYLHEXYLGLYCERIN - TETRASODIUM EDTA - TOCOPHEROL - CITRIC ACID - BUTYLPHENYL METHYLPROPIONAL - MALVA SYLVESTRIS (MALLOW) EXTRACT - CITRONELLOL - SODIUM CITRATE - ALPHA-ISOMETHYL IONONE POTASSIUM SORBATE - HIBISCUS ESCULENTUS FRUIT EXTRACT - SODIUM CHLORIDE - PLANKTON EXTRACT - SPIRAEA ULMARIA EXTRACT - SODIUM DNA - BHT - DISODIUM PHOSPHATE - BIOTIN - ERGOTHIONEINE - POTASSIUM CHLORIDE - POTASSIUM PHOSPHATE - TOCOPHEROL N° 05104/A


It's a shame that the only sunscreens I could find with such a high % of Zinc Oxide are branded and expensive =(

Oh, and one more thing!! Is there any update with regards to your new sunscreen and when it may be released (this year hopefully?) ^_^

Thank you, Eva.

Hi Daniel.

Both sunscreens seem to be very fluid and W/Si formulations. I have only used the one from Chanel so I cannot say anything about the one from Dior. Dior products also tend to be over parfumed which is not good for your skin either.

But there are cheaper alternatives to these sunscreens like the physical sunscreen from Skinceuticals with SPF 50 (6% ZnO -Z-Cote, 5% TiO2 -different particle size for better UVA protection).

Hopefully my sunscreen will also see the light-of-day very soon.

Take care, Daniel and good luck with the sunscreen!

[Godot]

I'm going honeymooning in Cancun in July. Any chance I could get a bottle of this stuff by then?

[Eva Victoria]

I'm going honeymooning in Cancun in July. Any chance I could get a bottle of this stuff by then?

I will let you know when it is available.
If it is a beach-holiday than this might not be the sunscreen you are looking for. It is more a day shield that is meant to be used as a very elegant everyday protection. It is not as water resistant as sunscreens that are meant to be used at the beach.
Enjoy your honeymoon!

[Godot]

Ah, I see. Yes, it'll be a beach vacation. Thanks for your response, and good luck with your product!

[cyrusbrian]

Great...will buy it !

[Luminosity]

Thanks for your work in this area. You know, there are people, like me, for whom any oil, or oil-like substance makes our skin break out. I've been looking for a sunscreen that is in a gel or liquid that will not block pores and has no oil or moisturizers. I would even mix it up myself from packets. I would mix it with green tea or fresh aloe gel. I was the head of a support group for people with allergies and sensitivities. The more ingredients, the more some people might be sensitive to something.

Just saying . . .

If we wanted to try your product, where is it available?

[Eva Victoria]

I do agree with you about the more ingredients the greater chance to have a reaction to the product.
I personally also prefer products that are (truly) oil-free at least as long as it is possible. (Saying that a sunscreen is oil-free is absolutely nonsense, because the UV filters themselves are either oils or has to be solubilized or dissolved in an oily substance. Though there are differences between oils. Like esters will have a lower chance to cause blemishes than some of the naturally occuring oils.)
This sunscreen of mine is a W/Si formulation with silicone emulsifiers that are very gentle but it is possible that it may cause worsening of acne in some people with the condition already present.
I am working on a better alternative for these people. A Si/W gel/lotion without additional of any oil (except the very light ester and cylcopentasiloxane for dispersing ZnO). It has a food-grade (also organic certified) emulsifier that brakes into water-light-feel on the skin at application. It is absorbed quickly leaving a very attractive (if I may say so myself) silky finish on the skin that is barely visible. It has been tested on subjects with moderate to sever acne (20-50 years) for several months one to three application per day. I have not received any results about worsening of acne or increasing of the number of clogged pores. It has to beneficial Vitamin C (stabilized) along with other beneficial ingredients for protection against environmental stress and helping strengthening acne-prone skin.

SPF 50, UVA 19
Active: Zinc Oxide: 16.25%, Ethylhexyl Methoxycinnamate: 7.5%
LRP Water, Cyclopentasiloxane, Butylene Glycol, Styrene/Acrylates Copolymer, C12-15 Alkyl Ethylhexanoate, Glycerin, Isononyl Isononanoate, Dimethicone, Theobroma Grandiflorum (Cupuacu) Seed Butter, Polysilicone-11, Cetearyl Dimethicone Crosspolymer, Isodecyl Neopentanoate, PVP, Dimethicone/Vinyl Dimethicone Crosspolymer, Arachidyl Alcohol, Ascorbyl Glucoside, PTFE, Propylene Glycol Dicaprate, Helianthus Annuus (Sunflower) Seed Cake, Hordeum Vulgare (Barley) Extract, Sucrose Polystearate, Cetearyl Alcohol, Cacumis Sativus (Cucumber) Fruit Extract, Behenyl Alcohol, Stearalkonium Bentonite, Trimethylsiloxysilicate, Ammonium Acryloyldimethyltaurate/VP Copolymer, Tocepheryl Acetate, Vitis Vinifera (Grape) Fruit Cell Extract, Magnesium Ascorbyl Phosphate, Propylene Glycol, Thermus Thermophillus Ferment Extract, Camellia Sinensis (Green Tea) Extract, Sodium Hyaluronate, Ergothioneine, Silybum Marianum (Lady’s Thistle) Fruit Extract, Faex (Yeast) Extract, Polypodium Leucotomos (Calaguala) Leaf Extract, Pseudoalteromonas Ferment Extract, Sodium Acrylate/Sodium Acryloyldimethyl Taurate Copolymer, Ammonium Polyacryloyldimethyl Taurate, Alteromonas Ferment Filtrate, Menyanthes Trifoliata (Buckbean) Extract, Polysorbate 80, Propylene Carbonate, Olea Europaea Leaf Extract, Cola Nitida (Kola) Seed Extract, Zinc PCA, Arachidyl Glucoside, Polyethylene, Isohexadecane, Olea Europaea (Olive) Oil Unsaponifiables, Isomalt, Lecithin, Xanthan Gum, Proline, Alanine, Serine, Sodium Phosphate, Sodium Hydroxide, Triethoxycaprylylsilane, Polyhydroxystearic Acid, Tetrasodium EDTA, BHT, Phenoxyethanol, Methylparaben, Butylparaben, Ethylparaben, Propylparaben, Ethylhexylglycerin, Caprylyl Glycol

None of these sunscreens are availbale yet. I will let you know when and how you can obtain it. And thank you for taking interest in my products!

Thanks for your work in this area. You know, there are people, like me, for whom any oil, or oil-like substance makes our skin break out. I've been looking for a sunscreen that is in a gel or liquid that will not block pores and has no oil or moisturizers. I would even mix it up myself from packets. I would mix it with green tea or fresh aloe gel. I was the head of a support group for people with allergies and sensitivities. The more ingredients, the more some people might be sensitive to something.

Just saying . . .

If we wanted to try your product, where is it available?