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[bobz1lla]

I give a thumbs up to Magnesium Threonate. It's been working well so far.

[Luminosity]

I had to stop taking magnesium citrate by Nutricology because I got muscle cramps. They went away when I stopped.

[tham]

AOR Cardio-Mag 2.0
I suppose the benefits outweighs the risks in this situation.

Research - http://www.aor.ca/pr...0/#research_tab

Whether it's worth the risk or not, I can't say.

I have cardiomyopathy and originally tried Cardio-Mag for a while, years ago. I didn't see any difference in ejection fraction when using it myself. Ubiquinol may make a difference, however.

Kal's magnesium orotate has 200 mg elemental per tablet, and is far cheaper
than the others at around $ 7 per 60 tabs.



Magnesium taurate is as good as the orotate for heart supportive properties.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/8692051/


This very recent groundbreaking study by Malaysian and Russian researchers
shows it has anticataract activity as well.

http://www.sciencedi...01448351300047X


I think my it will be my future main magnesium supplement.

Edited by tham, 18 March 2013 - 06:26 PM.

[Climactic]

Magnesium taurate is as good as the orotate for heart supportive properties.

Personally I take taurine independent of my magnesium. I take 1 g taurine twice daily.

Edited by Climactic, 18 March 2013 - 07:32 PM.

[Adaptogen]

what is the risk of consuming >3 grams taurine daily?

[balance]

what is the risk of consuming >3 grams taurine daily?

Low blood pressure. There's even a report in this forum of a user who gets low blood pressure from even a few grams. I have the same if I take more than 2 grams.

[niner]

Kal's magnesium orotate has 200 mg elemental per tablet, and is far cheaper
than the others at around $ 7 per 60 tabs.

Magnesium taurate is as good as the orotate for heart supportive properties.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/8692051/

I've been critical of some Magnesium orotate suppliers in the past for misleading labeling. This is not 200mg elemental, unless the tablet weighs three grams. (That would be a big tablet...) The orotate counterion is very heavy, Mg orotate dihydrate having a molecular weight of 370g/m. The Kal tablet must be 200mg total, in which case it would be

200*24/370=13mg elemental. Alternatively, it might be something like a gram of Mg orotate spiked with enough mag oxide to bring the elemental total up to 200mg. I think orotate is a pretty terrible way to get a generic dose of magnesium, because you have to take so much of the orotate. I used it at one time, but stopped due to a possible danger from excessive orotate, though I've now forgotten exactly what that danger was.

Mag taurate is a little better, but still has the heavy counterion problem. The MW of anhydrous mag taurate is 273g/m. If you want 200mg elemental from the taurate, you'll need:

200mg Mg *(273mg Mg Taurate/24mg Mg) = 2275mg Mg Taurate. That would be two or three pills a day. The pubmed paper was in Medical Hypotheses, so if that's all their is to go on, I'd be tempted to skip it. The cataract paper was good, and makes me wonder if the combined supplementation of magnesium in an efficient form like oxide, along with free taurine would be a cheaper way to achieve the same result. Two grams of taurine per day exceeds dietary amounts by a lot, but I'm not aware of any obvious toxicities.

[zenman]

FYI -
on Mg Orotate
https://www.consumer...13/?utm_source=

[Arata]

Topical magnesium chloride. Using oral supps is inefficient as digestion of magnesium is poor and it takes months for magnesium levels to build up sufficiently.
Topical magnesium delivers magnesium chloride to blood and cells quickly. Still under 10 posts, unable to post links yet, sorry.

[zorba990]

Topical magnesium chloride. Using oral supps is inefficient as digestion of magnesium is poor and it takes months for magnesium levels to build up sufficiently.
Topical magnesium delivers magnesium chloride to blood and cells quickly. Still under 10 posts, unable to post links yet, sorry.

http://www.iherb.com/Life-Flo-Health-Pure-Magnesium-Flakes-Magnesium-Chloride-Brine-2-75-lb-44-oz/39710

Seems to work but so does Epsom salt, and its much cheaper and also supplies sulfur.

[goobicii]

so witch one is best? the albion chelate? citrate?? orortate?? or the LE new brain one??? I take also ororate calcium,is too much orotate minerals bad?

[blood]

Albion has a form of magnesium where the mineral is chelated creatine. It has a ridiculous name, Creatine MagnaPower.

A 5 gram scoop provides 400 mg magnesium, and a bit over 2 grams creatine.

http://www.swansonvi...-300-grams-pwdr

[Logic]

You may be interested in this thread and Magnesium L-Threonate as L-threonate represses the glycoprotein dickkopf-1, releasing ascorbic acid into the cell, which enhances neurogenesis in the hippocampus and stops hair loss and osteoarthritis.

http://www.longecity...osteoarthritis/

[balance]

I'm wondering which one of these two is better:

http://www.swansonvi...gnesium-60-tabs

https://www.swansonv...nesium-240-tabs

Doctor's best seems to market that it's Not Buffered as a positive thing. It does only feature 100mg per tablet, so I found Swanson's 200mg product which seems a slightly different Albion chelate. Is it valid to state that it's got double the amount of magnesium per tablet or is there something I'm not seeing?

[Climactic]

I'm wondering which one of these two is better:

http://www.swansonvi...gnesium-60-tabs

https://www.swansonv...nesium-240-tabs

Doctor's best seems to market that it's Not Buffered as a positive thing. It does only feature 100mg per tablet, so I found Swanson's 200mg product which seems a slightly different Albion chelate. Is it valid to state that it's got double the amount of magnesium per tablet or is there something I'm not seeing?

You could ask Swanson what percent of the elemental magnesium is nonbuffered. I think it's a low percent. The buffered form in Swanson's product won't be as bioavailable as the actual glycinate form.

[balance]

I sent them the question. Let's hope I get an answer back (soon).

[rcol1441]

I sent them the question. Let's hope I get an answer back (soon).

Unfortunately -- unless you're luckier than me -- I wouldn't count on an informative answer. I've asked several makers of mixed-magnesium-type products what proportion is supplied by each type, and I'm always told that that's proprietary information. The most they will say is something like "we can tell you there is more glycinate than any of the other types," but upon probing they admit that that claim refers to the *total* magnesium composition, not elemental. Which makes it essentially useless information, since magnesium oxide contains a much higher concentration of elemental magnesium than other types and thus could very well predominate in the product's elemental magnesium mix.

Edited by rcol1441, 20 July 2013 - 05:29 AM.

[balance]

Swanson's late response:

Hello Valued Customer,

Thank you for contacting us!

We appreciate your patience while we consulted with a product specialist regarding your inquiry. We found that 18 percent of the product is elemental magnesium, and then approximately 50 percent is Glycinate. With this product they begin with a 200mg base. We hope this information is helpful! Please feel free to contact us if you have any other questions.

[rcol1441]

Swanson's reply is confusing. If they really start with a 200mg base, it sounds like they're saying that one tablet has a mere 36mg of total elemental magnesium (200 x 18%). I doubt that's the case. Nonetheless, the 50-50 split of elemental magnesium between glycinate and oxide does jibe with what an Amazon reviewer said he/she was told by Albion regarding the buffered mag glycinate that they supply supplement makers. (It's mentioned in a comment on one of the reviews for the Doctor's Best NON-buffered mag glycinate product.)

Edited by rcol1441, 26 July 2013 - 10:43 PM.

[Luddist]

That reply is confusing. Can you reply and ask for clarification? I don't know how you put it originally, but maybe ask how much elemental Mg is supplied by the glycinate and how much elemental Mg is supplied by the oxide?

Also I'll give a small anecdotal report on Mg L-threonate here. I got the Source Naturals Magtein. For me, at best, it has a very mild antianxiety effect. It might have a sedating effect, as on a couple occasions I really wanted to take a nap after having two capsules with breakfast or lunch. I won't be buying this again, due to the cost and unknowns regarding artificially increasing Mg levels in the brain.

Edited by Luddist, 27 July 2013 - 10:32 AM.

[balance]

Ok, just sent them another email and copy pasted your question exactly. Let's hope it won't be another dodgy reply...

In the meanwhile I'm sticking with Doctor's Best magnesium glycinate, even though I hate the tablets and Russell Blaylock seems to think glycinate should be avoided for potential exitotoxicity (I think the glycine might be of benefit collagen wise).

[Climactic]

Russell Blaylock seems to think glycinate should be avoided for potential exitotoxicity

Glycine does bind to the glycine-binding-site (NR1) (i.e. GluN1) of the (glutamatergic) NMDA receptor in the brain, and the effect of this can be significant in the face of glycine-site agonist drugs, but not so significant in the presence of glycine supplementation itself. In most people, excess glycine will just be rapidly metabolized, perhaps by the glycine cleavage system. Unless you already have proven or suspected excitotoxicity, I see little reason to avoid magnesium glycinate. Moreover, the magnesium will help limit NMDA receptor activation.

Edited by Climactic, 29 July 2013 - 02:20 AM.

[balance]

Thank you Climactic for shedding more light on that. I was gonna stick with it either way since from what I've seen it's the best aborbable one and I can always use a bit of collagen/skin boosting.

[balance]

Their new reply:

"We will be glad to explain further. After speaking with several Product Specialists and Albion, they informed us that the elemental Magnesium is 200 milligrams. The remaining amount is Albion’s proprietary blend and is not provided to consumers. The reason for a proprietary blend to be put on a supplementary food is to keep the amount and ratio of each ingredient in the formula as a 'trade secret' to prevent copying of the formula by other competitors. Unfortunately, we do not have the specific amount for each ingredient in this supplement. We hope this information is helpful. Please contact us if you have further questions.
Our quality, value and customer service have made Swanson Health Products a trusted source of nutritional supplements since 1969. To help us build this privileged relationship with you, we welcome your comments and suggestions, as it is our pleasure to serve you at any time.
Have a Blessed Day!
Kari D."


Basically, useless answer.

[Climactic]

We found that 18 percent of the product is elemental magnesium

If indeed 18% of the active product (not counting fillers and binders) is elemental magnesium, and if this is correct, I think this is all you need to know to ascertain the ratio of magnesium as glycinate to magnesium as oxide in the product. Use the molecular weights of magnesium, magnesium glycinate, and magnesium oxide to do the math. There is just one configuration in which this can happen.

rcol1441 was apparently NOT on the right track.

Edited by Climactic, 30 July 2013 - 01:47 PM.

[NilsOlav]

Most magnesium supplements help people who suffer from constipation...lets just say that I have the opposite problem and certainly don't want any of magnesium's "help". In other words, any magnesium supplements that will not result in me dropping massive liquid poody pies in my toilet? Thanks.

[balance]

So does this make it a better product than Doctor's Best Magnesium Glycinate or not?

[Climactic]

So does this make it a better product than Doctor's Best Magnesium Glycinate or not?

No, it does not. You're wasting your time trying to find out a ratio which you know is less than 100%. If magnesium glycinate is what you want, then the Doctor's Best brand (unbuffered) is better because it is not a mix of oxide and glycinate.

Edited by Climactic, 30 July 2013 - 01:50 PM.

[balance]

So is there any product out there better than the Doctor's best magnesium? And if so, does it contain more per tablet? The 100mg isn't really cutting it

[Climactic]

So is there any product out there better than the Doctor's best magnesium? And if so, does it contain more per tablet? The 100mg isn't really cutting it

No. I imagine it's really not possible to have more per tablet without using a much larger tablet that many people may not be able to swallow whole.

Edited by Climactic, 30 July 2013 - 02:09 PM.