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#541 resveratrol_guy

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Posted 17 December 2015 - 06:12 PM

Here is another mechanism by which plumbing contributes to heavy metal toxicity. In a nutshell, it turns out that, when local water utilities started replacing lead with copper pipe decades ago, only about 10% of homeowners agreed to have the sections of lead pipe on their own property replaced as well. So the end result was copper pipe bound to lead pipe, resulting in a galvanic corrosion potential, which in turn facilitated the release of much more lead into the tap water than was actually possible with all lead pipes. Worse, this is not likely to be caught in urban water surveys, so the lead level coming out of a particular tap might be vastly different than the background lead level reported by the water company.

 

It's ridiculous that we're still dealing with problems which were partly responsible for the decline of ancient Rome 1600 years ago.


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Posted 17 December 2015 - 06:16 PM

Yeah, that was the chocolate company I was thinking about.

I once ate a whole box of their yummy products.

Would that be about a kilo?

 

Good point about the caffeine.

Research has found that coffee drinking can have large anti-dementia effects.

Perhaps this is another anti-dementia aspect of chocolate.

 

I went behind the paywall on the article.

The article talked about the copper content of chocolate originating from copper pesticides.

 

Well, 100 g a day is 700 g a week, not 1000. I doubt she was eating a kg mainly just because most people think in terms of eating a packet of something, and a chocolate bar packet is usually 100 g.

 

Can you elaborate a bit on the pesticide angle? Does it say how much copper-1 and copper-2 is coming from the pesticide as opposed to the cacao fruit itself? Does it say anything about other metals, e.g. lead or aluminum?



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Posted 17 December 2015 - 09:11 PM

I have contacted Dr. George Brewer, the author of the copper study, and invited him to our thread here. Hopefully he'll show up and provide us with a chance to learn more about this breakthrough research...



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Posted 17 December 2015 - 10:15 PM

That would be so amazing!

We could have a live thread cast.

I have the feeling that there are a whole bunch of people out there that would tune in.

 

We could break a longecity record ( possibly might also overload the server).

There are many quite well informed people who did not seem aware of this connection.

 

As noted in the article, the idea that copper-2 might explain the Alzheimer pandemic is only recently emerging.

It does seem somewhat odd that somehow the copper-2 in food converts to copper-1.

This vital piece of the puzzle was only published last December.

 

Perhaps we could set up a moderated thread and invite any other interested copper researchers

to chime in as well. We could do our own study groups before hand to have verified facts on the table.

 

For instance, we could poll thread viewers about the nature of the plumbing systems used in their communities.

Anyone know someone from Japan?

 

The rabbit study has been out there for over 10 years, though it was not entirely clear how this

result related to the Alzheimer epidemic. The recent synthesis provides an all too plausible 

explanation.


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Posted 17 December 2015 - 10:44 PM

Green and Black was said to have cadmium and lead in it not so long ago in an article I read. A bit of a disgle it.appointment. However their milk chocolate did not. There was lead and cadmium in all forms of cacao as well. Unfortunately I no longer have the reference for the above article I suggest people google.
My dementia was not exactly stress free in its induction either.

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Posted 17 December 2015 - 10:51 PM

Here's the results from the Metals study in Journal of Food Composition and Analysis 24(3)465-468

 

                    certified      Found

Aluminium    540 +- 86   556  +-27

Manganese  20.3 +-1.3 22.0 +-0.7

Copper         23.2 +-1.2 22.8 +-1.4

 

units of microgram / gram in chocolate samples

 

The different chocolate types had highly varying amounts of manganese and copper levels.

For instance, white chocolate had extremely low levels of copper. Three of the 5 samples 

had no detectable copper. The milk chocolate had moderate amounts of copper 1.5-2.3

micrograms/gram. While the dark chocolate had high amounts of copper 4.3-12.4

micrograms / gram. Roughly the same pattern for manganese levels.

 

Focusing on chocolate as a whole obscures the large difference that occur in the different subtypes.

It appears that milk chocolate actually has fairly small amounts of copper. You would need to eat

quite a lot of chocolate on an ongoing basis for the copper-2 to be a concern.

 

The values for copper in chocolate found were similar to earlier research that found 10 mg/kg.

 

The article noted the connection between aluminum exposure and Alzheimer's and Parkinson's.

The study found a mean concentration of aluminum of 27.6 mg per kg in chocolate. A suggested

tolerable daily intake of 1 mg/kg was provided. Aluminum in chocolate was not considered to be

a serious concern.

 

The copper in chocolate is derived from pesticides when growing cocoa.

 

dos Santos, W.N.L., da Silva, E.G.P., Fernandes, M.S., Araujo, R.G.O., Costa, A.C.S., Vale,

M.G.R., Ferreira, S.L.C., 2005. Determination of copper in powdered chocolate

samples by slurry-sampling flame atomic-absorption spectrometry. Analytical

and Bioanalytical Chemistry 382, 1099–1102

 

RDA for Copper is 900 microgram per day. Samples found 0.07 for white - 12.4 micrograms per gram for

dark chocolate. A 25g serving of dark chocolate with 70% cocoa liqueur could provide 35% of the RDA. 

 

This article does not appear to be considering the differentiation between copper-1 and copper-2.

If the copper is derived exclusively from copper based pesticides, it would seem plausible that

most of the copper would be copper-2. This was confirmed in the recently cited chemical analysis of

foods.

 

Part of the problem here might be that the agricultural practices in some African nations do not

conform to Western norms. Chocolate had one of the highest amounts of copper-2 of any food

surveyed in the recent article. I wonder whether the use of such copper based pesticides

in the amounts apparently being used in Africa would be legal in other nations.   



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Posted 18 December 2015 - 01:08 AM

To take the reference about copper pesticides up a notch, this is what the reference article above said about copper pesticides.

 

Cocoa is frequently affected by infections of witches broom and pod rot. Research determined that to eliminate these pests, copper

pesticides could be used.

 

The article then goes on to describe methods for measuring copper levels in chocolate.

Did they have no idea how much copper was present in chocolate before 2005?   

 

To take this up another notch, one of the cited studies from the reference already used in this post noted that 

Moniliasis or frosty pod of cocoa is caused by Moniliophthora roreri (a type of basidiomycota (fungus)) in Central and South America.

Crops losses of 50 to 90% can result. Different control strategies have been used, though there is a cost factor. 

 

Copper fungicides are thought the best and may still be used while qualifying as organic cocoa.

{Organic cocoa enjoys a 100% premium on the world market price}

The copper pesticide used was copper hydroxide.

 

Apparently the organic growers want to move away from including known neurotoxic metals in their product.

They are especially concerned with the potential environmental impacts.

They have decided for the time being copper will be an exception to their policy against metal pesticide usage.

 

They sprayed 5 kg copper hydroxide per hectare using various dispersal techniques.

There was some discussion of introducing an oil formulation that could help the plants better retain the pesticide.

 

No indication was given how this might change the copper levels in the chocolate.

Nor was there any discussion of how this pesticide might affect the health of those spraying it, or the animals or people

living in the area,

 

 

 


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Posted 18 December 2015 - 05:18 AM

Thanks both of you for bringing this metal toxicity issue to the fore. It's doubly important if, as you say, copper is allowed despite organic certification (WTF?!). The study to which ceridwen referred appears to have been run by As You Sow, a Californian agriculture watchdog. Here is their list of toxic and nontoxic chocolates. As you suggested, some companies appear on both lists, implying that they use a variety of sources. The safest best seems to be Endangered Species, which appears to live up to its greenwashing hype even though it's not organic. I've tried it myself and it's one of my favorites, having a variety of fruity options. I never would have imagined that dark chocolate could be so corrupt; clearly things have changed since Calment's time.


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Posted 18 December 2015 - 06:21 AM

Very much appreciated

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Posted 18 December 2015 - 06:29 AM

but not one of those companies is the same across the Atlantic divide so our chocolate companies are not the same.
Ooops
I put that really badly

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Posted 18 December 2015 - 06:18 PM

Is there such a thing as hydroponically grown chocolate?



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Posted 19 December 2015 - 07:37 AM

Adding to the metals/cocoa theme

 

 

The Risk of Too Much Iron: Normal Serum Ferritin Levels May Represent Significant Health Issues.
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  • Abstract: While iron is an essential element involved in many biological processes, it is also well known to be a source of reactive oxygen species trough the Fenton reaction, and the result can be oxi-dative stress and cellular, deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA), vascular and organ damage. Iron is bound mostly by haemoglobin andferritin and serum ferritin levels are generally regarded as a measure of body iron stores even though serum levels constitute only a small fraction of totalferritin. Ferritin is involved in iron homeostasis and appears also to be a marker for reactive iron even though the iron it sequesters is not reactive. The currently used laboratory reference range for normal serum fer-ritin typically covers from the 5<sup>th</sup> to the 80<sup>th</sup> or 90<sup>th</sup> populationpercentile and is gender dependent. However, there is considerable evidence that within this range adverse effects of iron are implicated, which impact the development and progression of a number of common disorders. There is also con-siderable data indicating that loweringferritin levels within the normal range to values correspond-ing to near iron depletion produces beneficial results for a number of diseases. In addition, oxidative DNA damage is strongly and significantly associated with ferritin levels within the normal refer-ence range with no apparent threshold. It is hypothesized that optimum ferritin levels are at the low end of the normal reference range near the there shold for anaemia. Failure to measure ferritin and respond to results above this suggested optimum may do a disservice to patients. Either blood dona-tion or phlebotomy is very effective in achieving these levels.
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https://www.csom.ca/...Issues-28.4.pdf

 

 

June 2008Volume 28, Issue 6, Pages 377–382
Cocoa confers life span extension in Drosophila melanogaster Abstract

Cocoa is thought to be an excellent source of antioxidants. Here, we investigated the effects of cocoa supplementation on Drosophila melanogaster life span under different oxidative stress conditions. Our results illustrate that a moderate supplementation of cocoa under normoxia increases the average life span, whereas, at higher concentrations, average life span is normal. Under hyperoxia or in a Cu/Zn-superoxide dismutase–deficient background, cocoa exhibited a strong antioxidant activity, significantly increasing the average life span. Nevertheless, cocoa supplementation in a Mn-superoxide dismutase–deficient background enhanced an earlier mortality accompanied by a loss of climbing ability, indicating that cocoa may act as a pro-oxidant in mitochondria under conditions of extreme oxidative stress. Finally, we illustrate that cocoa also acts as a metal chelator in the presence of excess heavy metals, enhancing larval survival to the adult stage on copper or iron-supplemented medium. Taken together, our results document the antioxidative, pro-oxidative, and metal-chelating effects of cocoa on Drosophila melanogaster life span.

http://www.nrjournal...0092-4/abstract


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Posted 19 December 2015 - 01:12 PM

Thanks for that. I've long suspected that having low normal or even slightly anemic levels of iron would be healthier because presumably it would induce the release of iron from the brain and other stores, reducing senile plaques systemically because metal cations are known nucleation agents thereof. Perhaps the same goes for "copper anemia" as well.

 

I don't know what to make of the fly study, inasmuch as it's unsurprising that cacao (presumably the epicatechin content) binds metal cations so as to relieve the ROS load on superoxide dismutase. My main trouble with the synopsis is that it suggests a dosing window which may exist in humans as well, with some unknown upper and lower limits. Given Jean's 100 g/d, though, we might not have much to worry about in the case of addiction!



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Posted 19 December 2015 - 03:15 PM

I do not think it is a coincidence that so many compounds we are fond of (curcumin, green tea, curry, cacao etc) have chelation properties.
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Posted 19 December 2015 - 03:58 PM

Aluminum and its potential contribution to Alzheimer's disease (AD). Frontiers in Aging Neuroscience, 6:62, 1-9. doi:10.3389/fnagi.2014.00062

 

"Aluminum's contribution to AD is based upon at least seven independently derived observations: (i) that at physiologically realistic concentrations, aluminum strongly promotes amyloid aggregation and accumulation, a key feature of AD neuropathology ... (vii) perhaps most importantly, that of all pharmaceutical treatment approaches directed against AD to date, chelation using the anti-oxidant and trivalent iron/aluminum chelator desferrioxamine has been shown to be one of the most effective therapeutic strategies yet devised

 

Intramuscular desferrioxamine in patients with Alzheimer's disease. Lancet, 337(8753), 1304-8. doi:10.1016/0140-6736(91)92978-B

 

 

Synergy between the C2 allele of transferrin and the C282Y allele of the haemochromatosis gene (HFE) as risk factors for developing Alzheimer’s disease. Journal of Medical Genetics, 41(4), 261–265. doi: 10.1136/jmg.2003.015552

 

"Tri-carriers of HFE C282Y,TF C2 and APOE4 appeared at still greater risk of AD: OR (versus all others) = 37.5, 95% CI 2.2 to 638,p<0.0001. Of the 14 tri-carriers of the three variants,

identified in this study, 12 had AD and two had MCI."

 

Since these various metals seem to be using a similar pathway to neurodegenerative disease, I would be very interested to see what the risk of AD is from a full range of dementing metals

in genetically vulnerable populations. The large genetic databases that are now being created (such as 23andme) could find a group of people with a genotype of 1 in 1000, or 1 in 10,000

that might have extremely elevated risk of AD due to a combination of genotypes.

 

I am also concerned about the copper pesticides being used against the cocoa plants. It seems quite possible that these plants will develop resistance to the inorganic copper pesticides being used and

the likely solution will be to simply spray more and more copper-2 unto the plants. This might be a great time to try some CRISPRing.

 

Just received my Magnesium L-Threonate. Very excited! Not all Heavy Metal is bad.  Clinical studies have been done in Alzheimer's.


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Posted 20 December 2015 - 06:07 PM

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Ceridwen, this has zip nothing to do with chocolate, but as I read it I thought about you and wondered if you've tried this approach, wrt "the latest Alzheimer's research?"

http://www.moneylife...port/44532.html

What Fasting Does To Your Brain & Why Big Pharma Won’t Study It: report
16/12/2015 02:58 PM

In a TEDx talk, Mark Mattson, the current Chief of the Laboratory of Neuroscience at the National Institute on Aging, says calorie restriction or fasting extends life span and retards age-related chronic diseases

Fasting twice a week could significantly lower the risk of developing both Parkinson’s and Alzheimer’s disease. It also improves cognitive function, increases neurotrophic factors, increases stress resistance, and reduces inflammation, says a report from Collective Evolution.

The report, quoting a TEDx talk given by Mark Mattson, the current Chief of the Laboratory of Neuroscience at the National Institute on Aging, says, "Why is it that the normal diet is three meals a day plus snacks? It is not that it is the healthiest eating pattern, now that is my opinion but I think there is a lot of evidence to support that. There are a lot of pressures to have that eating pattern, there’s a lot of money involved. The food industry — are they going to make money from skipping breakfast like I did today? No, they are going to lose money. If people fast, the food industry loses money. What about the pharmaceutical industries? What if people do some intermittent fasting, exercise periodically and are very healthy, is the pharmaceutical industry going to make any money on healthy people?”

"There have been countless examples of the manipulation of published research at the hands of pharmaceutical companies in recent years. This is why Harvard Professor of Medicine Arnold Symour Relman told the world that the medical profession has been bought by the pharmaceutical industry. It is why Dr. Richard Horton, Editor in Chief of The Lancet, recently stated that much of the scientific literature published today is simply untrue. It is why Dr. Marcia Angell, former Editor in Chief of The New England Journal of Medicine, said that the “pharmaceutical industry likes to depict itself as a research-based industry, as the source of innovative drugs. Nothing could be further from the truth.” And it’s why John Ioannidis, an epidemiologist at the Stanford University School of Medicine, published an article titled ‘Why Most Published Research Findings Are False’, which subsequently became the most widely accessed article in the history of the Public Library of Science (PLoS)," the report says.

Mark Mattson and his team have published several papers that discuss how fasting twice a week could significantly lower the risk of developing both Parkinson’s and Alzheimer’s disease, the report says.

Quoting Mark Mattson, the report says, “Dietary changes have long been known to have an effect on the brain. Children who suffer from epileptic seizures have fewer of them when placed on caloric restriction or fasts. It is believed that fasting helps kick-start protective measures that help counteract the overexcited signals that epileptic brains often exhibit. (Some children with epilepsy have also benefited from a specific high-fat, low-carbohydrate diet.) Normal brains, when overfed, can experience another kind of uncontrolled excitation, impairing the brain’s function, Mattson and another researcher reported in January in the journal Nature Reviews Neuroscience.”

According to the report, basically, when you take a look at caloric restriction studies, many of them show a prolonged lifespan as well as an increased ability to fight chronic disease. “Calorie restriction (CR) extends life span and retards age-related chronic diseases in a variety of species, including rats, mice, fish, flies, worms, and yeast. The mechanism or mechanisms through which this occurs are unclear,” Mattson was quoted as saying in the report.

It says, fasting does good things for the brain, and this is evident by all of the beneficial neurochemical changes that happen in the brain when we fast. It also improves cognitive function, increases neurotrophic factors, increases stress resistance, and reduces inflammation.

Fasting is a challenge to your brain, and your brain responds to that challenge by adapting stress response pathways which help your brain cope with stress and risk for disease. The same changes that occur in the brain during fasting mimic the changes that occur with regular exercise. They both increase the production of protein in the brain (neurotrophic factors), which in turn promotes the growth of neurons, the connection between neurons, and the strength of synapses, the report added.

Quoting Mark Mattson, it further says, “Challenges to your brain, whether it’s intermittent fasting [or] vigorous exercise . . . is cognitive challenges. When this happens neuro-circuits are activated, levels of neurotrophic factors increase, that promotes the growth of neurons [and] the formation and strengthening of synapses. . . .”

Fasting can also stimulate the production of new nerve cells from stem cells in the hippocampus. Mattson also mentions ketones (an energy source for neurons), and how fasting stimulates the production of ketones and that it may also increase the number of mitochondria in neurons. Fasting also increases the number of mitochondria in nerve cells; this comes as a result of the neurons adapting to the stress of fasting (by producing more mitochondria).

By increasing the number of mitochondria in the neurons, the ability for neurons to form and maintain the connections between each other also increases, thereby improving learning and memory ability, the report says.

Mattson, in his talks, also goes into the evolutionary aspect of this theory – how our ancestors adapted and were built for going long periods of time without food.

A study published in the 5th June issue of Cell Stem Cell by researchers from the University of Southern California showed that cycles of prolonged fasting protect against immune system damage and, moreover, induce immune system regeneration. They concluded that fasting shifts stem cells from a dormant state to a state of self-renewal. It triggers stem cell based regeneration of an organ or system.

According to the report, Human clinical trials were conducted using patients who were receiving chemotherapy. For long periods of time, patients did not eat, which significantly lowered their white blood cell counts. In mice, fasting cycles “flipped a regenerative switch, changing the signalling pathways for hematopoietic stem cells, which are responsible for the generation of blood and immune systems,” it added.

Quoting Valter Longo, corresponding author of the study , the report from Collective Evolution says, "We could not predict that prolonged fasting would have such a remarkable effect in promoting stem cell-based regeneration of the hematopoietic system. . . . When you starve, the system tries to save energy, and one of the things it can do to save energy is to recycle a lot of the immune cells that are not needed, especially those that may be damaged. What we started noticing in both our human work and animal work is that the white blood cell count goes down with prolonged fasting. Then when you re-feed, the blood cells come back."

The report again quoting from the Mattson talk at TEDx says, before you fast, make sure you do your research. "Personally, I’ve been fasting for years, so it is something that comes easy for me. One recommended way of doing it — which was tested by the BBC’s Michael Mosley in order to reverse his diabetes, high cholesterol, and other problems that were associated with his obesity — is what is known as the “5:2 Diet.” On the 5:2 plan, you cut your food down to one-fourth of your normal daily calories on fasting days (about 600 calories for men and about 500 for women), while consuming plenty of water and tea. On the other five days of the week, you can eat normally," Mattson had said.

Another way to do it, as mentioned above, is to restrict your food intake between the hours of 11am and 7pm daily, while not eating during the hours outside of that time.

Bottom line, how you think about your diet is, in my opinion, one of the most, if not the most important part of staying healthy. How you think about what you are putting in your body is important, and I believe this will eventually be firmly established in the untainted, unbiased, uninfluenced medical literature of the future, the report from Collective Evolution concludes.
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Posted 20 December 2015 - 06:38 PM

SS-31 = Bendavia. It has been mentioned in this thread. Here's a new mouse study:

 

 

Curr Alzheimer Res. 2015 Dec 18. 
SS31, a small molecule antioxidant peptide, attenuates β-amyloid elevation, mitochondrial/synaptic deterioration and cognitive deficit in SAMP8 mice.

Jia YL, Sun SJ, Chen JH, Jia Q, Huo TT, et al.

Mitochondrial dysfunction, oxidative stress and β-amyloid (Aβ) formation are thought to cause neuronal and synaptic degeneration underlying cognitive decline in Alzheimer's disease (AD). The senescence-accelerated mouse-prone 8 (SAMP8) mice have been used as an animal model for mechanistic and translational research into Alzheimer's disease (AD). In the present study we characterized mitochondrial and synaptic alterations in SAMP8 mice relative to control (SAMR1) and explored a protective effect of the small molecule peptide SS31, a cell membrane penetrant antioxidant, on mitochondrial and synaptic protein integrity as well as cognitive performance. Electron microscopic analysis revealed mitochondrial/synaptic deterioration in 10 months-old SAMP8 relative to SAMR1 mice, with the changes in the former rescued following 8 weeks treatment with SS31 (5 mg/kg/day, i.p.). Elevation of Aβ42, mitochondrial fission protein (DLP1, Fis1) and matrix protein cyclophilin D (CypD), and reductions of mitochondrial fusion protein (Mfn2) and synaptic (i.e. synaptophysin, postsynaptic density protein 95 and growth associated protein 43) proteins, were detected in hippocampal lysates in SAMP8 mice relative to SAMR1. The above altered protein expressions in the SAMP8 mouse brain were restored with the SS31 treatment. Moreover, the SS31 treatment rescued learning and memory deficits detected in 10 month-old SAMP8 mice. Together, the findings implicate that this mitochondria-targeting antioxidant peptide may be of potential utility for AD therapy, with its pharmacological efficacy involves lowering of central Aβ levels and protection of mitochondrial homeostasis and synaptic integrity, which may help slow down cognitive decline.

PMID: 26679857



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Posted 20 December 2015 - 11:30 PM

@sthira no I haven't tried fasting and it seems the wrong time of year to start. I am treating my disease as chronic Lyme and am finding the following changes. Instead of the hiss of my tinnitus being diffuse and spread over large parts of each hemisphere. The hiss is now more focused in 2 small areas in each hemisphere. The tinnitus is an electronic sound and its quiet itchy too.Quick fire electronic shots within the brain. I don't know if this is a strategy of the infection to me breaking up their biofilm and thus a Herx reaction or if something even worse is going to happen and I'm about to enter the next stage of decline. I'm quiet frightened but I have my daughter and her husband staying with me for Christmas and I'm trying not to show it. Must take Ashwaganda to cope with the anxiety. Once I started breaking biofilm a lot of supplements started to have an affect that did nothing before.
I am thinking of drastically reducing meat intake. Eating lots of vegetarian food.
Current stack Galantamine,Memantine,Montelukast,Haritaki fruit,Sun Eleuthero I have just come off Bentonite clay with aloe Vera and honey maybe I need to start retaking that or maybe just Aloe Vera to ease the pain.I am trying to boost my telomerase so taking product B from Isa Genesis.
Both sides of my head are hissing at me intensely and causing great discomfort
I will certainly think about fasting soon.
At the moment it feels as if I am electoquting myself with my own electricity.
Fasting would increase my immunity but willpower is a huge issue with me. Don't know why.Would like to try if I can

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Posted 20 December 2015 - 11:33 PM

Scared that I'm going to have a seizure. So fasting maybe beat thing of all. I haven't eaten since 4 and I will not eat any more food all night

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Posted 20 December 2015 - 11:39 PM

I have a hot mouth as well which is a menopausal complaint.
Fasting may be best thing of all is what I meant to say above
Thanks

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Posted 21 December 2015 - 02:16 AM


Ceridwen, this has zip nothing to do with chocolate, but as I read it I thought about you and wondered if you've tried this approach, wrt "the latest Alzheimer's research?"

http://www.moneylife...port/44532.html

 

Here is the YouTube video of Mattson's talk.

 

I think the evidence is overwhelming at this point that fasting with sufficient nutrition is supportive of brain function. Having said that, and as a longtime dabbler in fasting myself, I've become increasingly suspicious that there are ways to cheat the system which have little to do with either fasting itself or the ketogenic diet. In particular, if we look at the original c60oo study and compare it to rodent studies involving fasting, it would appear that ordinary extra virgin olive oil (EVOO) can serve as a CR mimetic when it constitutes a sufficiently large portion of calories. This is reflected in Jean Calment's world record longevity, and in the success of the otherwise nutritionally mediocre Mediterranean diet (fish, hummus, and white bread -- seriously!). There is nothing in my study of her diet which leads me to believe that she made any particular effort to restrict calories, although she probably did not overeat. Even in her time, there were millions of other people who made a much more concerted effort to do so, for example, monks and nuns of various religions. And she ate chicken! That's not exactly a great way to restrict IGF1 or AGE formation. And yet, as a supercentenarian, she still cast insults and quips like a talk show host.

 

Does EVOO extend life because monofat is clean burning? Or is there some component in it that accounts for the effect? I don't know. But I think the reality of the effect is backed up by a large body of evidence.

 

I think we don't really discuss this because it's so mundane at this point and isn't going to win any research grants. Nor is the olive oil industry going to pay for more studies, as it's a commodity at this point with little room for premium pricing. Heck, I just picked up a lovey liter of the European stuff for $7.

 

BTW I'm doing a microtrial on this theory at the moment.


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Posted 21 December 2015 - 03:17 AM

The epidemiology of extra virgin olive oil's goodness is overwhelming (if we are actually consuming real olive oil, that is, with decent chemistry rather than fraudulent oil, of course, sold by crooks). But I think to give credit to olives or chocolate or bicycles for Jean Calment's apogee may be a bit much. Didn't she huff cigs til she hit a hundred? Exhume a piece of her dead body, run her full genome, let's see what was up with her genes to enable that extreme longevity.

Maybe everyone benefits from regular fasting -- especially in this fatty world. Stay hydrated, Ceridwen, but give fasting a go, why not, it's free and it's clean and it's easy and what's the downside risk? Trade discomfort and inconvenience for potential improvements.

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Posted 21 December 2015 - 04:50 AM

The epidemiology of extra virgin olive oil's goodness is overwhelming (if we are actually consuming real olive oil, that is, with decent chemistry rather than fraudulent oil, of course, sold by crooks). But I think to give credit to olives or chocolate or bicycles for Jean Calment's apogee may be a bit much. Didn't she huff cigs til she hit a hundred? Exhume a piece of her dead body, run her full genome, let's see what was up with her genes to enable that extreme longevity.

Maybe everyone benefits from regular fasting -- especially in this fatty world. Stay hydrated, Ceridwen, but give fasting a go, why not, it's free and it's clean and it's easy and what's the downside risk? Trade discomfort and inconvenience for potential improvements.

 

I didn't mean to give the impression that chocolate and olive oil will let us all emulate Jean Calment, but rather, that it should be life extensive for everyone, all else being equal. No doubt she had optimal genetics, as otherwise someone would have beat her.

 

As to fraudulent oil, you can always look on the back of the bottle. All the Mediterranean vendors put country codes on the back. Usually, especially with the cheaper oils, it's a blend from several countries. I don't buy anything with Tunisian content. With ISIS operating in the region, I don't want to take any chances on contamination. I pity the Tunisians who have to suffer as a result of those murderers.


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Posted 21 December 2015 - 06:02 AM

Providing we don't have a particular genotype. I never thought I'd say this but I think I have been put off chocolate

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Posted 22 December 2015 - 06:15 AM

25 g isn't much. I think Jean was eating 100 g a day, which is a standard sized chocolate bar, and would jive with the approximation of "a quarter pound a day" in the anecdotes. Now that I think about it, I do not believe it was a kilogram a week. At her weight, 100 g might be like a man eating 140 g.

 

It was ~1kg per week indeed:

 

Calment ascribed her longevity and relatively youthful appearance for her age to a diet rich in olive oil[4] (which she also rubbed onto her skin), as well as a diet of port wine, and ate nearly one kilogram (2.2 lb) of chocolate every week

https://en.wikipedia.../Jeanne_Calment

 

 

Maybe she bought bulk chocolate back then , not the current-day 100g standard bars?

 

How do you know the organic brands are better than Lindt? They may come with naturally occurring heavy metals like cadmium and especially aluminium which seems more significant for AD etiology than copper.



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Posted 22 December 2015 - 06:54 PM

I'm declining very fast now. It's extremely painful. I feel as if I have shingles in my head. Maybe I do?

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Posted 22 December 2015 - 08:12 PM

It's a terrible Herx reaction. I think this is Lyme Disease .

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Posted 23 December 2015 - 03:32 AM

Thank you everyone!

Our thread has spoken and the American government has listened.

 

It has been painfully obvious to many on this thread that we are in the midst of a truly massive Alzheimer pandemic.

The cost to care for those with dementia is expected to reach $1 trillion per year over the next few decades in America alone.

 

Well, we played no limit, no draw poker and the American government blinked.

The ante had reached $100 trillion (the present value of America's expected dementia liability), they had to fold.

There is no possible way that such an amount could be sustainably financed.

 

America has at last decided they need to change their dementia strategy.

Maintaining the same strategy as has been played over the last few decades would have resulted in a catastrophe.

Investing in dementia research is perhaps the only way to avert a looming dementia crisis.

Alzheimer's is silently becoming the central socio-polico-economic question of the 21st Century.

 

Finally there has been some movement on increasing dementia research funding.

In the last few days, an incremental increase of $350 million per year ( 60% increase) for AD research has been signed into law in the US..

It is a start, though given the magnitude of the problem this research commitment is still a large underfunding.

 

http://www.alz.org/news_and_events.asp


Edited by mag1, 23 December 2015 - 03:41 AM.

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Posted 23 December 2015 - 04:40 PM

Ha! That's like saying I have a $100 million mansion in Hollywood, but I'm only willing to pay $350 a year to insure it.

 

At present, the best way to avoid Alzheimer's is to take up a career in pharmaceutical marketing, where you get paid a fortune to find ways to convince people to buy ineffective medications. Then you'll make millions which you can spend on brain health supplements. Plus, with all the lies and disinformation you'll need to memorize, your neurons will be active all day long!

 



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Posted 23 December 2015 - 04:51 PM

Hmmm
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