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[Declmem]

I'm curious as to the benefits people have received from 99% pure resveratrol. I tried 50% res (Japanese Knotweed), and received some amazing benefits - weight loss, elevated mood, libido, etc. Unfortunately I also got some of the nasty side effects mentioned in some other threads.

I'm wondering if both the immediate benefits AND the negative side effects were likely due to the remaining 50% in the specific extract I was using.

Anybody willing to share?

[tintinet]

I'm curious as to the benefits people have received from 99% pure resveratrol. I tried 50% res (Japanese Knotweed), and received some amazing benefits - weight loss, elevated mood, libido, etc. Unfortunately I also got some of the nasty side effects mentioned in some other threads.

I'm wondering if both the immediate benefits AND the negative side effects were likely due to the remaining 50% in the specific extract I was using.

Anybody willing to share?

It does seem to be responsible for the positive effects you list. Dunno 'bout the negative you don't list.

[hmm]

I'm curious as to the benefits people have received from 99% pure resveratrol. I tried 50% res (Japanese Knotweed), and received some amazing benefits - weight loss, elevated mood, libido, etc. Unfortunately I also got some of the nasty side effects mentioned in some other threads.

I'm wondering if both the immediate benefits AND the negative side effects were likely due to the remaining 50% in the specific extract I was using.

Anybody willing to share?

What percentage of people, who are giving rsv a first try, use a blended product rather than 99% pure? My bet would be more than 95% of first-time rsv users are using blended products. So shouldn't 95% percent of the complaints about side effects come from blended product users? But every time someone writes a post to report nasty side effects from rsv, they get a response that rsv is not the true culprit. The real problem must be the blended product (these people are told), because almost all complaints are coming from blended product users.

I suspect that when all these side effects finally get sorted out, some side effects will indeed be due to the stuff in blended products (mood elevation) and other things will be due to the rsv (tendon sensitivity).

I have seen posts (from Stephen_B and MissMinni) speculating that certain bodily substances are being consumed in extra amounts as a result of rsv ingestion. I believe that StephenB and Missminni are onto something. I suspect that whatever substance(s) these are, the substance(s) that are being consumed might actually be easily replaceable, and in fact ARE easily replaced in the context of the nutritious diets and supplements of most users. But rsv users who have diets that don't replace these substances or have metabolisms that are not efficient at producing these substances, are the ones that will be prone to some of the nasty side effects such as severe tendinitis.

[Declmem]

It does seem to be responsible for the positive effects you list. Dunno 'bout the negative you don't list.

Sorry, I didn't want to sound like a broken record regarding negative effects. I'm referring to the joint pains other people have experienced. I personally also got severe back pain. My roommate, taking the same stuff (Doctor's Best brand resveratrol) had much the same reaction.

What percentage of people, who are giving rsv a first try, use a blended product rather than 99% pure? My bet would be more than 95% of first-time rsv users are using blended products. So shouldn't 95% percent of the complaints about side effects come from blended product users? But every time someone writes a post to report nasty side effects from rsv, they get a response that rsv is not the true culprit. The real problem must be the blended product (these people are told), because almost all complaints are coming from blended product users.

Thanks for the reply. There is a good chance you're right on this. I was thinking the same, though I did see one report here about someone who had tried a higher purity product and had the same negative reactions. I've only tried a mixed blend personally.

I suspect that when all these side effects finally get sorted out, some side effects will indeed be due to the stuff in blended products (mood elevation) and other things will be due to the rsv (tendon sensitivity).

So you do think that the res is responsible for the tendon problems, and extraneous products might be responsible for the positive side effects experienced? That would be interesting, and encouraging (since I really miss those benefits). Have people taking a higher purity experienced any of the benefits mentioned?

I wonder if anyone would be interested in conducting some kind of informal poll on this. For example, a poll that asks questions about the purity, where the extract comes from, brand, along with side effects noted.

Also, I could be wrong, but from the limited reading I've done I'm noticing that negative side effects seem to be reported more by people who are very physically active. I fit in that category. So, perhaps some questions about physical activity could also be included.

The polling system here doesn't seem to be suited to something like this, but there might be some other solutions out there. What do you think?

[hmm]

So you do think that the res is responsible for the tendon problems, and extraneous products might be responsible for the positive side effects experienced?

Thanks for asking, because it gives me an excuse to say how complicated I think the systems involved are. It's like there are millions of variables, and if you change the smallest, most obscure variable in the equation, everything else can get turned upside down. The main reason I lean toward thinking rsv does cause some problems is because of examining some of the logic being used by more knowledgeable folks on this forum who think otherwise.

The most persuasive of these folks seem to believe rsv doesn't cause problems like tendinitis because there simply is no reliable evidence otherwise. That is about as good a reason as you can get. However, I am a little more open to accepting the validity of some of the anecdotal complaints posted on this forum.

After the argument that there is no reliable evidence comes the argument that most of the people with complaints are taking rsv blends. But like I said before, most everyone trying rsv for the first time is using a blend; so yes, most complaints are going to come from rsv blend users.

That's why I like your idea about setting up a poll. This has actually been done before a few times here, but perhaps yours could find a clever way to establish further evidence of a connection (or non-connection) between pure rsv and side effects like tendinitis. Plus, maybe at this later date, if we were lucky, more people would be reading this forum and your poll would have a larger sample size than previous ones.

Edited by hmm, 20 September 2008 - 12:49 AM.

[Declmem]

So you do think that the res is responsible for the tendon problems, and extraneous products might be responsible for the positive side effects experienced?

Thanks for asking, because it gives me an excuse to say how complicated I think the systems involved are. It's like there are millions of variables, and if you change the smallest, most obscure variable in the equation, everything else can get turned upside down. The main reason I lean toward thinking rsv does cause some problems is because of examining some of the logic being used by more knowledgeable folks on this forum who think otherwise.

The most persuasive of these folks seem to believe rsv doesn't cause problems like tendinitis because there simply is no reliable evidence otherwise. That is about as good a reason as you can get. However, I am a little more open to accepting the validity of some of the anecdotal complaints posted on this forum.

After the argument that there is no reliable evidence comes the argument that most of the people with complaints are taking rsv blends. But like I said before, most everyone trying rsv for the first time is using a blend; so yes, most complaints are going to come from rsv blend users.

That's why I like your idea about setting up a poll. This has actually been done before a few times here, but perhaps yours could find a clever way to establish further evidence of a connection (or non-connection) between pure rsv and side effects like tendinitis. Plus, maybe at this later date, if we were lucky, more people would be reading this forum and your poll would have a larger sample than previous ones.

Good point about the blends and new users. Most are using blends, since they seem to be most readily available. So, it is a possibility that the purity has nothing to do with it.

To follow up, do you happen to know if the resveratrol used in the various studies mentioned here used a blend or a higher purity substance?

Maybe I'll do some searching to see what's out there regarding (free) polling solutions. If anyone has any suggestions let me know.

[hmm]

Have people taking a higher purity experienced any of the benefits mentioned?

I experienced a huge mood elevation when I was taking 800 mg 50% blend. I thought I was "Resveratrol Man", one of the elite discoverers of the Fountain of Youth, and nearly immortal and invulnerable. My current speculation is that this original delusion was caused by the emodin. But after I switched to 99% Vital Prime powder, the delusional feelings persisted for weeks afterward. To me that was just another example of how complicated this can all be. Maybe the emodin got me started on the high and then even after switching to the purer rsv, maybe my delusion-addled brain took over and maintained the legend of "Resveratrol Man" for a while longer.

Finally, perhaps as a blessing in disguise, I finally got this crazy case of shingles (first and only time so far in my life) and came crashing back down to earth. When I started back again on rsv at 1 gram per day, the Resveratrol Man syndrome was gone, but the rsv was still quite effective at relieving a lot of the joint and tendon pain I was getting, associated with running and playing hoops. For the last 4 months since then I have been increasing my dosage 1/3 gram per month (currently at 2 grams per day), and the pain relief has been increasing as well. I will continue this until I feel like increasing the dosage causes some kind of unbearable side effect...

[tintinet]

My experiences have been similar. Well I remember that hypomania of low grade RSV extract. A distant memory. OTOH, I still (and I've taken up to 7 grams/day high purity RSV) don't find any connection, personally with tendonitis or any other sign or symptom.

[DaffyDuck]

I think if you can find one or two credible reports of people taking high purity resv and getting tendonitis-like effects, you might have a case. Since a decent portion of the people who are currently taking high purity resv frequent this forum, and none have spoken up about it I am inclined to think there is no connection.

As I see it, there are 2 groups:

1. People that find out about resveratrol from other sources and are likely to take the rev mixes with low purity resv.
2. People in this forum which for the most part take high purity resv with nothing else mixed in.

All of the complaints I have seen (and I may have missed one or two) come from group 1.

[Declmem]

All of the complaints I have seen (and I may have missed one or two) come from group 1.

Thanks, but what about the benefits also mentioned by Group 1? Have people in Group 2 mentioned the same beneficial "side effects" that Group 1 often mentions - mood elevation, libido, weight loss, and so on?

[DaffyDuck]

All of the complaints I have seen (and I may have missed one or two) come from group 1.

Thanks, but what about the benefits also mentioned by Group 1? Have people in Group 2 mentioned the same beneficial "side effects" that Group 1 often mentions - mood elevation, libido, weight loss, and so on?

Yes. Those symptoms have been mentioned.

[Declmem]

Yes. Those symptoms have been mentioned.

thanks, so you're saying that all the good effects mentioned by users are due to the resveratrol, and every negative side effect is due to the the impurities?

I had trouble finding reports from high purity users experiencing the beneficial effects I mentioned (which is why I started this thread

I did find one report, of a person who had used a blended brand, and then after experiencing the negative effects mentioned, switched to a higher purity, and experienced the same negative effects. But that's just one report, and I don't remember him mentioning any benefits.

My experiences have been similar. Well I remember that hypomania of low grade RSV extract. A distant memory. OTOH, I still (and I've taken up to 7 grams/day high purity RSV) don't find any connection, personally with tendonitis or any other sign or symptom.

To confirm, you're saying that you used a high-grade RSV extract, and experienced neither good nor bad side effects. But, when using the lower grade RSV, you did experience some of the "benefits" (arguable) mentioned. Correct?

Edited by Declmem, 23 September 2008 - 04:39 PM.

[tintinet]

Yes. When I was taking 50% or lower purity resveratrol extracts, I noted mood elevation, increased mental clarity, increased alertness, decreased reaction time, etc.

I have not noticed any significant effects from taking high doses of high purity (99%+) trans-resveratrol, extracted or synthetic.

[maxwatt]

Yes. When I was taking 50% or lower purity resveratrol extracts, I noted mood elevation, increased mental clarity, increased alertness, decreased reaction time, etc.

I have not noticed any significant effects from taking high doses of high purity (99%+) trans-resveratrol, extracted or synthetic.

With 98% resveratrol, I have noticed decreased reaction time. Mental clarity is relative; I think I'm clearer most of the time, but you can get used to that until it seems normal and unremarkable.

[hmm]

As I see it, there are 2 groups:

1. People that find out about resveratrol from other sources and are likely to take the rev mixes with low purity resv.
2. People in this forum which for the most part take high purity resv with nothing else mixed in.

All of the complaints I have seen (and I may have missed one or two) come from group 1.

Well this is why I would really welcome a new poll -- my opinion is that you may have missed more than one or two...

[hmm]

All of the complaints I have seen (and I may have missed one or two) come from group 1.

Thanks, but what about the benefits also mentioned by Group 1? Have people in Group 2 mentioned the same beneficial "side effects" that Group 1 often mentions - mood elevation, libido, weight loss, and so on?

Declmem, it might be better to use other terminology than "good" or "bad" (or "beneficial") to distinguish side effects. For instance, I have never seen "mood elevation" as being a good side effect (even though I enjoyed it when I experienced it), because I know there are plenty of pills around that would elevate my mood, but I definitely wouldn't want to be taking them on a regular basis. So for me, mood elevation is either a bad side effect or at best, a suspicious side effect...

Edited by hmm, 28 September 2008 - 08:49 PM.

[hmm]

Yes. When I was taking 50% or lower purity resveratrol extracts, I noted mood elevation, increased mental clarity, increased alertness, decreased reaction time, etc.

I have not noticed any significant effects from taking high doses of high purity (99%+) trans-resveratrol, extracted or synthetic.

With 98% resveratrol, I have noticed decreased reaction time. Mental clarity is relative; I think I'm clearer most of the time, but you can get used to that until it seems normal and unremarkable.

My metrics for mental clarity and reaction time are 1)number of mistakes in the daily sudoku puzzles and 2)number of steals when playing basketball. After about 6 months of 99% Vital Prime rsv, both numbers seem fairly stable.