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[VidX]

Here's my most recent pic. I think I do look my age (24) most of the time as my features are somewhat angular and I'm often sleep deprived. http://img401.images...i/merecent.jpg/

[miklu]

If it weren't for the somewhat receded hairline, this picture could make him (you?) look under 35. Anyway, even in the other photos he looks good for his age: no major expression lines, and the pale skin suggests healthy sun habits.

Edited by miklu, 09 September 2009 - 06:53 PM.

[TheFountain]

If it weren't for the somewhat receded hairline, this picture could make him (you?) look under 35. Anyway, even in the other photos he looks good for his age: no major expression lines, and the pale skin suggests healthy sun habits.

Are you serious? He looks unhealthy, his features are sunken, he has a bunch of lower face furrows (again, sunken features). Sunken eyes, forehead lines. Another thing I noticed is that bone growth thing. His upper facial bones look strange, wide maybe. Most 35 year olds, whilst still having many expression lines and some light wrinkles, still tend to have full faces without deep furrows like those. He looks about 40. btw I am referring to the pictures in which you can see his facial features clearly, not the one with sunglasses which actually hides them in some shading.

Edited by TheFountain, 09 September 2009 - 06:59 PM.

[DrEvil]

[/quote] Whoever he is, looks his age. If not even approaching 40 (receding hairline, forehead wrinkles, lower face furrows). Sorry. By the way what is this 'when one is under 35' thing? I have seen quite a few 35 year olds who, when taking care of themselves, actually do not look that bad. Just because 35 is the age when most people begin to show signs of all the years of dietary poisoning, does not mean it must be so. Those who have taken care of themselves well and avoided the sun till this age do not show the same signs. Fact.
[/quote]

LOL. this is me and I have had my 'receding' hairline since I am 16. In school when I was 16 guys used to joke I would be bold by the time I am 25.
Anyhow I have not been living vegetarian or low protein or raw food or CR for any long periods of time yet to make a difference to the way I am aging. Just think that looking at photos of people under the age of 30/35 to see if somebody is aging well does not work.
50 year old looking like 35 that is impressive. Not 30 looking like 25.... that is not really anything special.

Edited by DrEvil, 09 September 2009 - 07:40 PM.

[DrEvil]

If it weren't for the somewhat receded hairline, this picture could make him (you?) look under 35. Anyway, even in the other photos he looks good for his age: no major expression lines, and the pale skin suggests healthy sun habits.

Are you serious? He looks unhealthy, his features are sunken, he has a bunch of lower face furrows (again, sunken features). Sunken eyes, forehead lines. Another thing I noticed is that bone growth thing. His upper facial bones look strange, wide maybe. Most 35 year olds, whilst still having many expression lines and some light wrinkles, still tend to have full faces without deep furrows like those. He looks about 40. btw I am referring to the pictures in which you can see his facial features clearly, not the one with sunglasses which actually hides them in some shading.

Thanks Miklu
..well Fountain, lets see your photos? and what diet are you on?

[TheFountain]

If it weren't for the somewhat receded hairline, this picture could make him (you?) look under 35. Anyway, even in the other photos he looks good for his age: no major expression lines, and the pale skin suggests healthy sun habits.

Are you serious? He looks unhealthy, his features are sunken, he has a bunch of lower face furrows (again, sunken features). Sunken eyes, forehead lines. Another thing I noticed is that bone growth thing. His upper facial bones look strange, wide maybe. Most 35 year olds, whilst still having many expression lines and some light wrinkles, still tend to have full faces without deep furrows like those. He looks about 40. btw I am referring to the pictures in which you can see his facial features clearly, not the one with sunglasses which actually hides them in some shading.

Thanks Miklu
..well Fountain, lets see your photos? and what diet are you on?

I am 24 so it wouldn't matter because I am not yet at the age where you can tell anything. But to answer your dietary question. I have been a vegetarian since the age of 17, I eat alot of Isoflavones from Legumes, Oats, etc but try to keep my carb intake very minimal, as well as protein=Methionine. I cycle things like dairy when in need of gaining weight, but never has it been a long-term part of my diet. I have cycled shrimp and salmon in and out but I am not sure what it has done. Otherwise I eat a lot of veggie wraps, egg whites, tomatoes, spinach (lutein).

And I stay away from highly processed foods as though they are the plague. Anything with HFCS or any other sort of artificial sweetener should be considered an enemy. In terms of how old I look, well sometimes I get asked for ID when purchasing a glass of wine (I don't drink often). But idk. I was not trying to put down that gentleman, just pointing to the damages I see.

Edited by TheFountain, 09 September 2009 - 08:02 PM.

[TheFountain]

'LOL. this is me and I have had my 'receding' hairline since I am 16. In school when I was 16 guys used to joke I would be bold by the time I am 25.
Anyhow I have not been living vegetarian or low protein or raw food or CR for any long periods of time yet to make a difference to the way I am aging. Just think that looking at photos of people under the age of 30/35 to see if somebody is aging well does not work.'
[/quote]

I think the only reason people cite the ages 35-40 as that time when people start to go downhill is because it is when glycation reactions start to really accumulate and the metabolism slows down, IF you do not eat right and exercises a few times a week. I would say if your diet is optimal, exercising 3 times a week is adequate to keep your metabolism where it should be. I didn't mean to insult you, I just wasn't sure what you meant when you said 'how about this at 34'. I wasn't sure if you actually think you look younger than that. I am not sure how far you've gone in terms of skin care but Retin-A micro has been known to reverse much of the kind of sun-damage you have on your forehead region and may help to fill out those lower face furrows in a few months to a year. Sunblock too.

Again, not insulting you, but you definitely look like you have accumulated sunbathing damage and/or live in a place like florida where the sun is constantly bleating down. Your skin looks extremely dry, which is probably another contributing factor to the creases in the forehead. You also look out of shape, which may also contribute to your slightly aged appearance. Some of this is reversible. You already began a different diet which is a beginning. I would say exercise is another very important aspect, and skin care. These three together coould probably reverse a percentage of the sun/glycation damage you have incurred from years of bodily abuse, but I would stress staying out of the sun also if you want to hold on to your remaining collagen for a while.

Jared leto (lifelong vegetarian) one year ago, aged 37

[kismet]

This thread is so hilarious. TheFountain, you're killing me. If you think he looks ~35 at the picture with the sun glasses than he must be like 60-70 in those other pictures. I think the point the poster was making, was the difference between those pictures which you conveniently missed with your impressive age-guessing skills.

[TheFountain]

This thread is so hilarious. TheFountain, you're killing me. If you think he looks ~35 at the picture with the sun glasses than he must be like 60-70 in those other pictures. I think the point the poster was making, was the difference between those pictures which you conveniently missed with your impressive age-guessing skills.

To clarify, I do not think he looks 35 in that particular picture. I was referring to the other ones in which you can actually see his facial features clearly. The sunglasses one is very deceptive and the shading hides his sun/glycation damage. In effect you cannot tell his age in that picture because you cannot really see him.

[VidX]

Woman from bb.com, 41@ the moment, it's not just the face (which is not a goal to show on bodybuilding site) but an overall condition, I hope she doesn't mind I'm putting it here from her public profile, but I'm amazed of what's possible with decent genes and a right lifestyle:

[immortali457]

Yes this thread is a riot. Good bathroom material...lol.....lot's of mancrushes going on here...lol

[TheFountain]

but I'm amazed of what's possible with decent genes and a right lifestyle:

Why do people always attribute it to genes first and lifestyle choices later? I think lifestyle choices are beyond genetics in this regard and that that woman would definitely look older and less healthy if she wasn't doing what she was doing to augment her self. You can argue this as much as you like but the fact of the matter is that everyone cited as looking younger than their age has some lifestyle choice, whether being living a holistic lifestyle, vegetarian, extreme exercise or whatever. The only exception I can think of would be someone like andy milinokas, who has a congenitcal growth condition. Remember 34 year old andy?

Edited by TheFountain, 09 September 2009 - 11:04 PM.

[VidX]

Yeah, I agree. I was referring "genes" in a "Decent build, not some extreme tendency to get obese, and things like that..". Most of the people have it, though most of them torture that genome with an awful lifestyle so we see wrinkled and tired 30yos these days. When you think about that - there were almost NO info for the general public about this, it's just the begining when people start to get conscious. When you have supermarkets full of junk food, sugary products, age full ones and so on - it may be difficult to make a choice when you get hooked on them, and especially when u r still young and think "Eh.. I won't get old like these guys.."... Though just a decade earlier, even if someone wanted to make a CHOICE (not to go with the flow) - there wasn't a lot of info or a way to read most up to date studies, read forums like this one and so on, it's basically a whole new mindset/approach towards this field, when it was more like a hit or miss back in the day. I know this pretty well as my mother was always health conscious, and it's a day and night what knowledge you can have and apply in an "x" period of time if compared..

Edited by VidX, 09 September 2009 - 11:20 PM.

[TheFountain]

I don't think it is particularly easy for anyone to gain significant muscle. No matter what you have to work at it. I also do not believe being tall is genetically optimal, especially where survival is considered. In many cases tall men have a more difficult time keeping weight on than shorter men due to faster metabolism. My point is I think anyone can gain significant muscle mass, as long as they work at it, which no doubt that woman above did. She thus deserves her rewards. She was not just given it.

Edited by TheFountain, 10 September 2009 - 12:04 AM.

[VidX]

U r right, being tall isn't an optimal trait in bodybuilding. I'm pretty tall (~6'1) and know what that means, though I like my height, wouldn't like to be shorter, but muscle mass wise - it's a negative for sure.

[DrEvil]

The fountain, I live in Cape Town and yes have gotten sun damage from surfing. The sun tan/ sun blck lotion just washes off eventually, so I try to go in morning. Until 6 months ago I still had girls aged 19 thinking I am 23. It is not forehead wrinkles that are issue or receeding hairlines. I actually like some of my wrinkles. so long as I feel young and look good, but yes sun is a killer, to overall skin. Forehead wrinkles, smile lines, crows feet are cool, but bad aged skin not. So prevention is the best.

For the last 3 months I have been eating pretty much the same diet as you, low carb, low methionine:
but why would you eat egg whites . They contain lots of methionine? I eat two eggs yolks once a week and throw away the white..lol.
and spinach (lutein). is that so important? because spinach also contains lots of methionine.
Spinach is the one veg that is the exception. I still eat meat once a week, but I cut down from 3 times a week.

[Matt]

Just had a funny experience about 20 minutes ago.... A group of girls over the park stopped me as I came home from the supermarket... one of them fancied me as her friend put it. Anyway she was only 15 haha.... I said just said nicely i was too old, i'm almost 25 and they were all like whoaa! thought you were only 16. haha. Totally random

Edited by Matt, 12 September 2009 - 06:41 PM.

[Skötkonung]

The fountain, I live in Cape Town and yes have gotten sun damage from surfing. The sun tan/ sun blck lotion just washes off eventually, so I try to go in morning. Until 6 months ago I still had girls aged 19 thinking I am 23. It is not forehead wrinkles that are issue or receeding hairlines. I actually like some of my wrinkles. so long as I feel young and look good, but yes sun is a killer, to overall skin. Forehead wrinkles, smile lines, crows feet are cool, but bad aged skin not. So prevention is the best.

I think your location (South Africa) has a lot to do with it as well. If you look at the native inhabitants of that area, you'll notice they have much darker skin than you. That is because the average UV index and total hours or sun are much higher in South Africa than in Northern Europe where your ancestors likely originated. Because you have less melanin in your skin, you will be much much more at risk for sun damage than someone who is of a darker complexion.

For instance, in your "summer" months of January / December, the South African UV index is about 10. Contrast that with the average UV index of the Netherlands, which is about 4-5 in June / July. People living in their non-indigenous area need to be very careful about damaging their skin, especially those with a light complexion.

When I came to America, I was shocked how old many white people look (wrinkles, sagging skin). That's when it occurred to me the UV index for this region is much higher than Sweden and these people of Northern European ancestry had been prematurely photo aging for years.

Edited by Skotkonung, 12 September 2009 - 07:34 PM.

[Skötkonung]

U r right, being tall isn't an optimal trait in bodybuilding. I'm pretty tall (~6'1) and know what that means, though I like my height, wouldn't like to be shorter, but muscle mass wise - it's a negative for sure.

I would argue that being tall in bodybuilding is a optimal trait because it gives you better proportions for competition and provides you with a bigger frame to support heavier lifts. Arnold Schwarzenegger was 6'2 and Lou Ferrigno was 6'5". The only downside is you have to work harder and eat more occasionally to achieve the same gains.

I don't think it is particularly easy for anyone to gain significant muscle. No matter what you have to work at it. I also do not believe being tall is genetically optimal, especially where survival is considered. In many cases tall men have a more difficult time keeping weight on than shorter men due to faster metabolism. My point is I think anyone can gain significant muscle mass, as long as they work at it, which no doubt that woman above did. She thus deserves her rewards. She was not just given it.

That is a bit of a generalization, it depends on what you are trying to survive. Yes, a smaller person would do better in a famine situation or in an environment with little food supply, but historically bigger people have also done quite well.

Consider Homo Heidelbergenisi, a recent ancestor of Homo Sapiens. They hunted large animals for their primary source of food and lived in a very cold and often rapidly changing environment:

"Both H. antecessor and H. heidelbergensis are likely descended from the morphologically very similar Homo ergaster from Africa. But because H. heidelbergensis had a larger brain-case — with a typical cranial volume of 1100-1400 cm³ overlapping the 1350 cm³ average of modern humans — and had more advanced tools and behavior, it has been given a separate species classification. The species was tall, 1.8 m (6 ft) on average, and more muscular than modern humans."
http://en.wikipedia....heidelbergensis

Also consider Paleolithic human males, who averaged about 6ft. Or even more recently, recently post-colonial Americans:

"Americans used to stand tall as the people with the highest average height in the world. However, since the middle of this century, several Scandinavian countries have moved ahead and now have taller citizens on average than the United States."

This is thought to be due to the abundance of natural resources, food, and lack of crowding.

So basically it seems that humans will grow as tall as their environment can support, and that height is the optimal height for survival.

[VidX]

Yes sir, being tall and "jacked" is sure A LOT more impressive (and usually more aesthetic, as the weight is kinda spread, not "stumped" on a smaller frame) though as you said - eating all the food is the main problem basically (at least for me) and requires tiwce a determination of a shorter athlete.

[zsuzsanna]

For instance, in your "summer" months of January / December, the South African UV index is about 10. Contrast that with the average UV index of the Netherlands, which is about 4-5 in June / July. People living in their non-indigenous area need to be very careful about damaging their skin, especially those with a light complexion.

When I came to America, I was shocked how old many white people look (wrinkles, sagging skin). That's when it occurred to me the UV index for this region is much higher than Sweden and these people of Northern European ancestry had been prematurely photo aging for years.

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Well, my hubby is Dutch and loves the sun (like all the Dutch) and having trouble understanding the "magic" of UV... we spent the summer in Hungary with UV index 8-10 every day for a month (Central Europe!!), and he actually started a huge argument with me about the "ridiculously huge amount" of sunscreen I put on the kids. So I had to show him on the interenet that in the last 10 years there has been only 10 days with UV 10 in The Netherlands and that in Hungary the last 10 days were all above UV 8....
On the other hand I am Hungarian and have pretty fair complexion, blond hair and green eyes
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[marqueemoon]

It's partly the sunglasses, but Jared looks especially young in these new pics:
http://community.liv...457.html#cutid1

I want to know his secret!

[VidX]

LOL.. he's like a "sneek peak" to a "How would it be...if you wouldn't age".. Looks ridiculously young ..

Edited by VidX, 21 September 2009 - 02:27 PM.

[Matt]

oh yeah he does look very young, younger than my brother whos 29. I know people who are around 25-26 who looks around the same.

Edited by Matt, 21 September 2009 - 03:08 PM.

[Matt]

http://justjared.buz...age-2/#comments

people there are saying he looks too thin. Are they *NUTS*? has the world gone mad!?!?! that looks far healthy than majority of people i see.

[JLL]

Damn, he does look young. I think he looks the same age as me, and I'm 28.

[VidX]

I'd give him about 23-24... though I know PLENTY of ppl who look older being that age.. It's just.. his skin looks soo good, like "photoshoped" lol..

[TheFountain]

I'd give him about 23-24... though I know PLENTY of ppl who look older being that age.. It's just.. his skin looks soo good, like "photoshoped" lol..

I think part of it is that he doesn't seem to have any sign of facial hair. He doesn't even look like he has to shave that often, especially the neck area. Maybe he's had laser hair removal recently. But that seems to be something common to hollywood men, their baby smooth faces without the 5 o clock shadow coming. They either hire a professional to use a straight razor on them or they get electrolysis or laser.

[TheFountain]

There is absolutely no discoloration on this mans face. His skin tone is so even from top to bottom. His neck so smooth and unscathed from razors. How does a guy his age achieve that without laser hair removal and on top of shaving? He is 13 years older than me and he doesn't have a single razor bump or sign of irritation from it! I am jealous!

Edited by TheFountain, 21 September 2009 - 04:09 PM.

[TheFountain]

Just wanted to exemplify this again with a video. Here you see Jared and his co-star Colin Farrell in a film together. Farrell is 5 years younger than Leto but, to my eyes, looks 5 years older than him. I don't think Farrell is a vegetarian. I wonder if it could be increased IGF-1 output.

Edited by TheFountain, 24 September 2009 - 07:18 PM.