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[TheFountain]

He strikes me as a healthy looking 29-32 year old, of course the receding hairline does not help things but ultimately I think he looks good for his age. What I am seeing in the larger photo is a little more grain to his complexion, unless this is image distortion from enlargement. I would also argue that his longish face is probably delaying the skin-sagging process. He has a very pronounced chin. Are you saying he looks closer to the smaller picture than the larger picture in real life? Also do you know what his diet/skin regimen is like?

I don't think he has a receding hairline, at least not that I have noticed.

The smaller photo is just the larger photo scaled down. What I wanted to illustrate was that in the smaller photo, some of the small details such as his forehead wrinkles and skin texture are not noticeable. There is just not enough detail.

Personally, I think he looks much younger than the average person his age, especially when I see him in person. He is in good shape and wears youthful clothing. I've not asked him about his skin care regimen, but I do know from a conversation I had with him once about the gym that we go to that he eats "healthy" and is not a vegetarian or vegan...whatever that means. I also saw on his blog (where I got that photo) that he has done drugs (he used to smoke opium in art school?) so I don't think he is exactly zealous about staying young looking. Most likely being active and good genetics are where he is benefiting the most.

Bah! I still do not buy the genetics argument because anyone who combines the two basic elements of eating healthy and exercise generally tend to look better than other's in their respective age group. I think life-style before genetics is the more apt view.

[immortali457]

He strikes me as a healthy looking 29-32 year old, of course the receding hairline does not help things but ultimately I think he looks good for his age. What I am seeing in the larger photo is a little more grain to his complexion, unless this is image distortion from enlargement. I would also argue that his longish face is probably delaying the skin-sagging process. He has a very pronounced chin. Are you saying he looks closer to the smaller picture than the larger picture in real life? Also do you know what his diet/skin regimen is like?

I don't think he has a receding hairline, at least not that I have noticed.

The smaller photo is just the larger photo scaled down. What I wanted to illustrate was that in the smaller photo, some of the small details such as his forehead wrinkles and skin texture are not noticeable. There is just not enough detail.

Personally, I think he looks much younger than the average person his age, especially when I see him in person. He is in good shape and wears youthful clothing. I've not asked him about his skin care regimen, but I do know from a conversation I had with him once about the gym that we go to that he eats "healthy" and is not a vegetarian or vegan...whatever that means. I also saw on his blog (where I got that photo) that he has done drugs (he used to smoke opium in art school?) so I don't think he is exactly zealous about staying young looking. Most likely being active and good genetics are where he is benefiting the most.

Bah! I still do not buy the genetics argument because anyone who combines the two basic elements of eating healthy and exercise generally tend to look better than other's in their respective age group. I think life-style before genetics is the more apt view.

Give me a break. At his age, it's mostly genetics that determine how young one looks.

[Skötkonung]

I hope he doesn't Google himself and see this thread. Awkward...!

[TheFountain]

He strikes me as a healthy looking 29-32 year old, of course the receding hairline does not help things but ultimately I think he looks good for his age. What I am seeing in the larger photo is a little more grain to his complexion, unless this is image distortion from enlargement. I would also argue that his longish face is probably delaying the skin-sagging process. He has a very pronounced chin. Are you saying he looks closer to the smaller picture than the larger picture in real life? Also do you know what his diet/skin regimen is like?

I don't think he has a receding hairline, at least not that I have noticed.

The smaller photo is just the larger photo scaled down. What I wanted to illustrate was that in the smaller photo, some of the small details such as his forehead wrinkles and skin texture are not noticeable. There is just not enough detail.

Personally, I think he looks much younger than the average person his age, especially when I see him in person. He is in good shape and wears youthful clothing. I've not asked him about his skin care regimen, but I do know from a conversation I had with him once about the gym that we go to that he eats "healthy" and is not a vegetarian or vegan...whatever that means. I also saw on his blog (where I got that photo) that he has done drugs (he used to smoke opium in art school?) so I don't think he is exactly zealous about staying young looking. Most likely being active and good genetics are where he is benefiting the most.

Bah! I still do not buy the genetics argument because anyone who combines the two basic elements of eating healthy and exercise generally tend to look better than other's in their respective age group. I think life-style before genetics is the more apt view.

Give me a break. At his age, it's mostly genetics that determine how young one looks.

I contest that. You underestimate how many 30 something year old males don't do shit for their own health and thus look alot older by the time they are that age.

[Matt]

Give me a break. At his age, it's mostly genetics that determine how young one looks.

No that is wrong. Even in CR comparisons on animals; rodents, dogs, monkeys you can clearly see the CR ones looking less grey, more fur, less wrinkes (for monkeys). Histological examination of skin in rodents shows that CR slows down skin aging. Genetics play a part, I think I'm quite lucky because I'm more 'boyish' looking than most people which contributes to how young people think I am. As for skin aging, UV rays DEFINITELY accelerate skin aging, so does smoking. You should see some of my friends how quickly they looked much older when they started partying a lot, smoking and drinking.... o.O

[VidX]

What? First of all I do not notice what you are noticing as the woman looks like she does pilates or yoga of some kind and I know 25 year old women who do these two and have less of a hour glass shape because of overall evened out fat loss. The host of 'pilates your way' comes to mind. Very young but very lacking in womanly shape. I wasn't focusing on hairstyle I was focusing on her actual features. I think in this instance you're placing too much emphasis on clothing+hair and the effect they have on how old someone appears.

I guess a lot of ppl just doesn't have an ability to evaluate the age accurately. And while I haven't mastered that ability too good too I can tell for sure that her skin is very nice and facial features lack these tell tale signs you already mentioned of aged appearance. And the fact that I find her kinda sexy in some way affirms that she looks young (as I prefer young women )...

[tintinet]

I have no doubt both environment and genetics play a role in determining how old one looks. I have been 'carded' by various people, young and old, albeit mostly female, past the age of 40. I work out, I've done CRON to some degree for over 20 years, don't smoke and never did, don't get too much sun, etc., but I my whole family is notoriously young looking.

[TheFountain]

I have no doubt both environment and genetics play a role in determining how old one looks. I have been 'carded' by various people, young and old, albeit mostly female, past the age of 40. I work out, I've done CRON to some degree for over 20 years, don't smoke and never did, don't get too much sun, etc., but I my whole family is notoriously young looking.

There are plenty of people in this world who are young looking because of the effort they make to take care of themselves. I think it is rather mindlessly conformist for people to just say genetics is the main conduit that determines how old or young you look at a given age. Fact is there is no science at all behind this mythical statement.

[tintinet]

Ya right. If you've got progeria, taking care of yourself ain't gonna make you stay young looking, even compared to a genetically 'normal' junk food addict smoking couch potato. I have no doubt genetics play a role. MPB onset and hair graying, for example, have role in youthful or non-youthful appearance and are substantially genetically determined.

[zoolander]

The guy in the below shot, believe it or not, is in his mid-teens



but suprisingly doesn't look a day over 4-months old in my opinion.

Edited by zoolander, 19 October 2009 - 08:13 PM.

[TheFountain]

Ya right. If you've got progeria, taking care of yourself ain't gonna make you stay young looking, even compared to a genetically 'normal' junk food addict smoking couch potato. I have no doubt genetics play a role. MPB onset and hair graying, for example, have role in youthful or non-youthful appearance and are substantially genetically determined.

Progeria is a condition that is not average. It also has a lot of research behind it, unlike the signs and rate of aging in normal people. There is no science that proves that the rate of aging is genetic. As much as you would like to think there is, there plainly isn't and never has been.

[immortali457]

I have no doubt both environment and genetics play a role in determining how old one looks. I have been 'carded' by various people, young and old, albeit mostly female, past the age of 40. I work out, I've done CRON to some degree for over 20 years, don't smoke and never did, don't get too much sun, etc., but I my whole family is notoriously young looking.

There are plenty of people in this world who are young looking because of the effort they make to take care of themselves. I think it is rather mindlessly conformist for people to just say genetics is the main conduit that determines how old or young you look at a given age. Fact is there is no science at all behind this mythical statement.

Stop putting words in peoples mouths. He did not say genetics is the main conduit, he said both environment and genetics play a role. So what your trying to say is genetics plays no role in how young someone looks who is 25 but looks 17?
My whole family is much younger looking than their age. Don't tell me it's not a major factor. Get a clue.

[TheFountain]

I have no doubt both environment and genetics play a role in determining how old one looks. I have been 'carded' by various people, young and old, albeit mostly female, past the age of 40. I work out, I've done CRON to some degree for over 20 years, don't smoke and never did, don't get too much sun, etc., but I my whole family is notoriously young looking.

There are plenty of people in this world who are young looking because of the effort they make to take care of themselves. I think it is rather mindlessly conformist for people to just say genetics is the main conduit that determines how old or young you look at a given age. Fact is there is no science at all behind this mythical statement.

Stop putting words in peoples mouths. He did not say genetics is the main conduit, he said both environment and genetics play a role. So what your trying to say is genetics plays no role in how young someone looks who is 25 but looks 17?
My whole family is much younger looking than their age. Don't tell me it's not a major factor. Get a clue.

And the evidence for this claim is where? Have there been extensive research studies on how much of a role genes play in the rate of aging? You are asking people to accept anecdotal claims just because you think it runs in your family. I have seen far too many instances in which an older sibling will look younger than the younger sibling because the younger sibling gives fuck-all about their diet and other lifestyle factors. I suppose jack lallane is 95 because of genetics (mind you, this is a guy who looked 35 when he was 60!). Not eating sugar (having an otherwise extremely strict diet!), exercising 2 hours a day every day for the past 70 years has played miniscule role in his longevity. Sure sure...

Edited by TheFountain, 19 October 2009 - 08:47 PM.

[TheFountain]

In any event, staying on topic.

Cher in 1969


Cher in 2009



This just goes to show how far a good plastic surgeon will get you.

[VidX]

Yes, Cher is one of the ageless, and a good example of well performed PS.

A little OT: Sometimes I wonder about genes and the extent they "decide" you overall health. An example no1. - My grandmother, 77yo at the moment. Pretty sedetary lifestyle, LOTS of sweets, whey products and animal fat in the diet. Guess what - NO sign of overweight, cholesterol just a fraction above norm, and the marker of diabetes isn't even considered as a threat by BT.
Example no2. my grandgrandmother, whi died just few years ago, being 92 (pancreas failure..for a reason) - ate her WHOLE life HIGH animal fat diet. You wouldnt believe what kind of things she mixed in her meals, everything soaked with bad cholesterol containing fats.. Results (except failed pancreas) - NO cholesterol risk (at all), no overweight (thin as a teenage) and no other health problems, clear and bright mind, etc... lol, she even had a long hair till the last day, tied in a ponytail.. I'm sure she would've lived till at least 105 with the right precautions in her diet as no other health problems were present. The same with my grandfather wh died 6year ago being 73 (failed pancreas too.. ate SUPER high animal fat every day too). Even with that diet his heart and blood cholesterol parameters were perfect, not even a sign of some deadly risk in a near future (except pains, doctors weren't able to identify until the systematic failure began..).

You can't dismiss, but think that genes are definitely involved in situations like these, as some other person would've been dead long ago with all that kind of lifestyle.

Edited by VidX, 20 October 2009 - 06:57 AM.

[TheFountain]

Yes, Cher is one of the ageless, and a good example of well performed PS.

A little OT: Sometimes I wonder about genes and the extent they "decide" you overall health. An example no1. - My grandmother, 77yo at the moment. Pretty sedetary lifestyle, LOTS of sweets, whey products and animal fat in the diet. Guess what - NO sign of overweight, cholesterol just a fraction above norm, and the marker of diabetes isn't even considered as a threat by BT.
Example no2. my grandgrandmother, whi died just few years ago, being 92 (pancreas failure..for a reason) - ate her WHOLE life HIGH animal fat diet. You wouldnt believe what kind of things she mixed in her meals, everything soaked with bad cholesterol containing fats.. Results (except failed pancreas) - NO cholesterol risk (at all), no overweight (thin as a teenage) and no other health problems, clear and bright mind, etc... lol, she even had a long hair till the last day, tied in a ponytail.. I'm sure she would've lived till at least 105 with the right precautions in her diet as no other health problems were present. The same with my grandfather wh died 6year ago being 73 (failed pancreas too.. ate SUPER high animal fat every day too). Even with that diet his heart and blood cholesterol parameters were perfect, not even a sign of some deadly risk in a near future (except pains, doctors weren't able to identify until the systematic failure began..).

You can't dismiss, but think that genes are definitely involved in situations like these, as some other person would've been dead long ago with all that kind of lifestyle.

It hasn't been proven that dietary cholesterol is a culprit in heart disease. The links have only been correlative. There are co-factors as well, such as the toxicity of the air you breath, the cleanliness of the water you drink, the level of mental health pertaining to stress, environment and so on and so forth, all contributing to the end result.

[Matt]

I think the reason why i look so young is genes but also my CR and healthy lifestyle.

My dad is 54 and looks around 40's. My mum is 51 and can get away with late 30's, she has no wrinkles. My sister is 23 and looks 15-16. All my aunties look 10-15 years younger than their age on my mothers side, all my aunties on my dads side look over 10 years younger than their real age. Even my dad has all the same CR biomarkers as me, and my sister... =/ my half brother looks older than his age at 29.

mwahahahaa

Edited by Matt, 20 October 2009 - 04:18 PM.

[Matt]

oh yeah. Here she is. I got permission from her to show lol
http://img.photobuck...82/charlene.jpg

Edited by Matt, 20 October 2009 - 06:00 PM.

[immortali457]

oh yeah. Here she is. I got permission from her to show lol
http://img.photobuck...82/charlene.jpg

Wow she looks in her early 20's in that photo....amazing!!!!

[TheFountain]

oh yeah. Here she is. I got permission from her to show lol
http://img.photobuck...82/charlene.jpg

I wouldn't say 15-16, alot closer to 17!

[immortali457]

o.k I guess that's your sister not your mother...lol

[Matt]

Hahaha. Well she always get mistaken for being 16, at a job interview not long ago they thought she was only 16.... is only 1 photo Early 20's... ur nuts LOL. She gets the same comments from people as I do, people when they see her don't believe her age and always mistake her for being in her teens.

I also went for a job interview before, it was just at the job center and two other guys were in the room aswell, they were 17-18 and I was about 23, anyway they thought I was the youngest, the women said to me "I thought you were only 16!" lol kind of funny at the time

Edited by Matt, 20 October 2009 - 08:40 PM.

[TheFountain]

Again, photos and real-life give much different impressions. But I still think she looks younger than 20 in that there photo. No idea wtf immortali is talking about.

Edited by TheFountain, 20 October 2009 - 08:40 PM.

[VidX]

An example of what a "not healthy".. lifestle can do to you: 23yo, Ms. L.Lohan :

[Matt]

I was talking to my sister today she said that couldn't even buy a lottery ticket the other week, and even when one time whe she went to a club they wouldn't let her in, even WITH ID because they thought it was fake lol

[VidX]

So....we won't be able to determine the actual effectiveness of CR on you, damn.. :D

[tintinet]

I humans, it's damn hard to 'prove' almost anything. It took decades before it was 'proven' cigarette smoking causes lung cancer.

[Luna]

today I was at the dentist and hairstylist and everyone thought I am like 15 or 16 :D
It was funny ^^
His assistant asked me old I am and I said 20! she looked at me with those big wide eyes "noooooo!" "yes!" "much younger! you are tiny and cute! :O" ^^
Then the dentist came and asked how old I am, I said 20 :D "No way!" "That's what I said" (his assistant) it was ufn
When he looked at my teeth he was like "ok according to your wisdom teeth you are 20" boo :X

The hairstylist was also like that

[TheFountain]

I just learned more information about Jared letos dietary habits. Apparently he eats very little to no dairy and some grains, like oats. Does not drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes at all.

I think his diet must reduce IGF-1 formation because when you combine the no meat/casein+consuming soy isoflavones that is in theory what you should accomplish. Plus the fact that his vegetarian diet is probably also conducive to low DHT levels. So Leto is like a living testimony to the advantages of a healthy vegetarian diet. Think about it, he has thick shiny hair with no signs of receding, supple moist teenage-like skin. Very symmetrical body. His brother who is only 2 years older than him doesn't look as good and eats a meat based diet.

The take away message here is stay away from meat at least and if you eat dairy supplement with AGE blockers and IGF-1 inhibitors like resveratrol. I am considering eating soy again once or twice a week or maybe just taking isoflavones. My only concern is getting impotent again from it.

Here is a Leto quote

“Health food every day. I will eat anything that doesn’t have taste – like unsalted nuts, raw food and berries,” Jared said.'

Edited by TheFountain, 22 October 2009 - 01:05 AM.

[Matt]

Didn't Jared go on a 'raw food diet'?

I don't see the point in alcohol, I never drink alcohol myself, I am vegetarian, and I never smoked.


as for whether its genetics or not and why my sister also seems to look young despite bad health habits (though her BMI is around 19), it could be more interesting because i would expect CR to make it that over the next 10-20 years she will get a lot older than me... in terms of appearance at least. Otherwise if there is no difference, I'd start questioning whether I needed CR in the first place :-)

Edited by Matt, 22 October 2009 - 01:59 AM.