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[TheFountain]

5 years away for me too! :-) But I don't think i'll change that much. There was someone on here that told me a few years ago how when i get to 25 i'd 'suddenly' look my age. =/

Dude, I actually read messages from guys who said they had wrinkles appear right on their 35th birthday! I was like wtf is this guy on? I mean when you are 25, 35, 45 you're not really that specific number anyway because of how much time is lost/gained through daylight savings and leap year and a missing day in february etc. So I thought this guy must have brought it on himself by stressing over it or maybe he had the wrinkles already but suddenly took notice on the big spooky number 35 (meaning he was mentally invested in that number from being conditioned). lol

Edited by TheFountain, 28 December 2009 - 10:08 PM.

[VidX]

Yeah.. it's a lot more about "Mental investment". Just look around - society is conditioned in this "Age range" way of thought, esp. as most of the people live a very similar lifestyle (way too destructive usualy) so it's no wonder that they get some signs of aging at a similar age and think it's how it should be. Not the thought of becoming 30 scares me, what scares me that actually so many people thing 30 is when you kinda start to be.. "Not young"..and it shows on a mentality first.
That personal trainer is a perfect example of how can you not let yourself to become "old", at least in your head. Really inspiring guy. And skin is really remarkable. 90yo.. amazing.

Edited by VidX, 28 December 2009 - 11:41 PM.

[TheFountain]

Jared Leto on Carson Daly. Jared is 3 years older than carson. But looks 10 years younger (jared is semi-raw foodist+long time vegetarian).



EDIT: Can't post flash video all of a sudden?

Edited by TheFountain, 29 December 2009 - 01:05 AM.

[Skötkonung]

5 years away for me too! :-) But I don't think i'll change that much. There was someone on here that told me a few years ago how when i get to 25 i'd 'suddenly' look my age. =/

Dude, I actually read messages from guys who said they had wrinkles appear right on their 35th birthday! I was like wtf is this guy on? I mean when you are 25, 35, 45 you're not really that specific number anyway because of how much time is lost/gained through daylight savings and leap year and a missing day in february etc. So I thought this guy must have brought it on himself by stressing over it or maybe he had the wrinkles already but suddenly took notice on the big spooky number 35 (meaning he was mentally invested in that number from being conditioned). lol

Exactly, it is more like those people lived their whole life without a care towards their aging self and then had a sudden realization that all these leniencies caused them to look horrible.

I am 27 and I don't feel older than 23/24. I'm fit where as all of my friends / coworkers are starting to look haggard from years of binge drinking, sun damage, and shit food. It was a shock to realize my semi-estranged sister, who is 23, actually looks older than me. She has always tanned at salons, probably doesn't come close to meeting her RDI of vegetables / fruits, and loves to party. When the family got together for Christmas, much to her dismay, some of our relatives commented on how much older she looked than me. I'm kind of curious to know whether that will get her interested in optimal health and longevity.

[VidX]

I'm 24, but I don't feel older then 18, and I guess I won't for quite some time. It's kinda strange... I meet some old friends and they act like "Oh well.. fun is about to be over.. we are getting old dude u know.." and I'm like 'WTF are you talking about??".. Usualy talks like these are from the ones who partied hard, with lots of alcohol and drugs, etc.. I guess you can "burn out", not physically, but mentally as these substances can really mess the wirings in your brain on the long run.

Edited by VidX, 29 December 2009 - 08:59 PM.

[Matt]

I am 27 and I don't feel older than 23/24. I'm fit where as all of my friends / coworkers are starting to look haggard from years of binge drinking, sun damage, and shit food

Yah! I know what you mean. Over the last few years the changes my friends have gone through are crazy. The effects from all the drinking, partying, no sleep, some of them smoking, some drugs they're smoking. Lots of people that I've known since high school who haven't looked after their health are already starting to look terrible and they're only 25-27! It would be funny if we all had a high school reunion here, but we don't :-)

[VidX]

Lol.. they'd hate you Matt.

[TheFountain]

5 years away for me too! :-) But I don't think i'll change that much. There was someone on here that told me a few years ago how when i get to 25 i'd 'suddenly' look my age. =/

Dude, I actually read messages from guys who said they had wrinkles appear right on their 35th birthday! I was like wtf is this guy on? I mean when you are 25, 35, 45 you're not really that specific number anyway because of how much time is lost/gained through daylight savings and leap year and a missing day in february etc. So I thought this guy must have brought it on himself by stressing over it or maybe he had the wrinkles already but suddenly took notice on the big spooky number 35 (meaning he was mentally invested in that number from being conditioned). lol

Exactly, it is more like those people lived their whole life without a care towards their aging self and then had a sudden realization that all these leniencies caused them to look horrible.

I am 27 and I don't feel older than 23/24. I'm fit where as all of my friends / coworkers are starting to look haggard from years of binge drinking, sun damage, and shit food. It was a shock to realize my semi-estranged sister, who is 23, actually looks older than me. She has always tanned at salons, probably doesn't come close to meeting her RDI of vegetables / fruits, and loves to party. When the family got together for Christmas, much to her dismay, some of our relatives commented on how much older she looked than me. I'm kind of curious to know whether that will get her interested in optimal health and longevity.

I have a sibling who also is 3 years younger than me but everyone thinks he is 5 years older. He does absolutely nothing to take care of his health in terms of diet, skin care or even psychological work. He lifts weights sporadically and expects this to benefit him when his diet is complete rubbish filled with refined carbs and hydrogenated fats. I explain things to him regarding proper nutrition but it's like there is some mental block that prevents him from acting on it. I do not have the inclination to really find out what that mental block is. Because I find the more I try the less good it does and peoples egos just get bigger and bigger and the wall around them accordingly grows.

[JackChristopher]

They say child stars age faster than the rest of us, but I became the exploding Nazi at the end Indiana Jones when I found this:

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Jason_Earles

This is "Jackson" from Hanna Montana. ... 1977 ?!?!? How is he going on 33 years old?

Edited by JackChristopher, 02 January 2010 - 05:13 AM.

[Forever21]

http://www.raw-livin...lt-raw-food.jpg

super model Carol Alt @ 50
raw foodist (non-vegan)

she got into this diet for obvious reason. to look younger longer.

[TheFountain]

I have posted some pics of myself before and the pcis received a lot of criticism, but have not seen photos of other members..?? .only Sly's photos.. . he is on steroids, been using coke , uses botox etc. etc. so not sure what the point it? I am pretty sure will not live a heatlhy life beyound 80. ------------------------ Anyhow here I go again: THe last attachmens is at age 36 ,5 months ago. I look like 50 in the photo. Just lost weight from Paleo/ Cr and skin has not had a chance to adjust itself. The light shows every wrinkle. So this is what might l happen if you loose 5 kg in 3 months when you are already lean and are above the age of 35. The other two are at age 37 (5months after photo above ) , same weight as before but skin has adjusted itself again, plus some more fat under skin again. not sure what age I look like, but when I shave woman say at most 35, some tell me 32, some say about 28 and ask me how i do it. In between I had exczema on my skin for about a month, not sure if the exzema inflammation actually improved the skin..Had to go off diet and eat more rice to help. When I had exzema looked like 60 on some days and 40 on others.

In all 3 photos you look 40+ but then maybe the photos are not telling the full story. And to be honest, you look sickly in all of them as well. Do you have any known condition which might cause weight loss? part of what contributes to you looking old is uneven complexion. Perhaps you should consider a skin brightener with Kojic acid and some retin-a combined. Then some of your muscles are sagging, which is odd because I thought that did not happen till 50+ or so. The other part of it is your hairline. If you want to maintain whatever hair you have left I suggest you stop eating testosterone precursor foods like meat and other animal products in great abundance and start taking soy isoflavones. I honestly don't know if they work but facial exercises might help with some of that sagging. And I would gain about 10 pounds also and even out that complexion. If you really want to look 30 (which you don't) you should take some of this advice. Maybe even try dermal fillers.

Edited by TheFountain, 02 January 2010 - 02:56 PM.

[TheFountain]

They say child stars age faster than the rest of us, but I became the exploding Nazi at the end Indiana Jones when I found this:

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Jason_Earles

This is "Jackson" from Hanna Montana. ... 1977 ?!?!? How is he going on 33 years old?

I am reading that he has a growth hormone disorder like Andy Milonakis. He is realy short so it could possibly be true. Just another confirmation that growth=aging, or at least the outward appearance of it. Pro-Growth foods (I.E testosterone precursors) might not be the best thing for staying young looking.

Edited by TheFountain, 02 January 2010 - 03:23 PM.

[VidX]

Yeah.. pretty damn good (he's ~30 in this pic):

[JackChristopher]

http://www.raw-livin...lt-raw-food.jpg

super model Carol Alt @ 50
raw foodist (non-vegan)

she got into this diet for obvious reason. to look younger longer.

That's not fair. To compare Carol Alt to *anything*—that's cheating.
I accepted God as my savior after seeing this pic.

We're mere mortals after all. I feel like Wayne and Garth: "We're not worthy!"

Edited by JackChristopher, 02 January 2010 - 10:11 PM.

[mustardseed41]

Come to daddy baby.....oh yea

[Ben]

27 and 7 months . i have posted my supps back in april . I do not work out as much as in the past.

Wow, that is astonishing. You look at least 10 years younger than most 27 year olds I know.

[Skötkonung]

I am reading that he has a growth hormone disorder like Andy Milonakis. He is realy short so it could possibly be true. Just another confirmation that growth=aging, or at least the outward appearance of it. Pro-Growth foods (I.E testosterone precursors) might not be the best thing for staying young looking.

How convenient to be immortalized looking like a teen instead of being stunted with an even younger appearance like Andy Milonakis.

[TheFountain]

I am reading that he has a growth hormone disorder like Andy Milonakis. He is realy short so it could possibly be true. Just another confirmation that growth=aging, or at least the outward appearance of it. Pro-Growth foods (I.E testosterone precursors) might not be the best thing for staying young looking.

How convenient to be immortalized looking like a teen instead of being stunted with an even younger appearance like Andy Milonakis.

Well for those of us who would prefer to look about 25 for the rest of our lives maybe the key is to have a pro-growth period and then to diminish growth effects altogether by changing the diet and metabolic processes through aerobics. I do not quite trust the people who say that faster metabolism leads to faster aging. It seems too linear and simplistic to me. And I have seen many people who keep their metabolism on the fast side who look way young. I think growth and hormone have more to do with it than metabolism.

[1kgcoffee]

I don't have pictures, but at my work there's a group of recent Phillipino immigrants who all look at *least* 10 years younger then their actual age. It's ridiculous. They don't even eat particularly healthy, other than avoiding processed foods and excess sugar. I think it's a combination of humid Phillipino climate, low levels of growth and sex hormones and decent diet plus some unknown factors.. any thoughts?

[Forever21]

I don't have pictures, but at my work there's a group of recent Phillipino immigrants who all look at *least* 10 years younger then their actual age. It's ridiculous. They don't even eat particularly healthy, other than avoiding processed foods and excess sugar. I think it's a combination of humid Phillipino climate, low levels of growth and sex hormones and decent diet plus some unknown factors.. any thoughts?

They just don't have easy access to 'western food of affluence' or what we call junk food here.


Look at a typical American eating day

-Muffin & Starbucks latte for breakfast.
-Burger, pasta, or subway sandwich for lunch.
-Pizza, taco, microwave dinners.
-Ice cream, cake, for dessert
-Add all the condiments, sauce, sugar, and diet coke.


A typical Filipino eating day

-Rice, fish and water (x 3 if they can afford it)

Edited by Forever21, 05 January 2010 - 07:16 AM.

[TheFountain]

Danielle Harris at 33 could pass for 19

[VidX]

Well for those of us who would prefer to look about 25 for the rest of our lives maybe the key is to have a pro-growth period and then to diminish growth effects altogether by changing the diet and metabolic processes through aerobics. I do not quite trust the people who say that faster metabolism leads to faster aging. It seems too linear and simplistic to me. And I have seen many people who keep their metabolism on the fast side who look way young. I think growth and hormone have more to do with it than metabolism.

Well... "fast metabolism" may be just increased thyroid activity (for example).. and we know that there's a lot more to aging. Actually even igf-1 signalling seems to be just ONE of the factors that are involved in aging (red something about this in V.Gullianio antiagingfirewalls.com a few days ago)..

[Skötkonung]

Well for those of us who would prefer to look about 25 for the rest of our lives maybe the key is to have a pro-growth period and then to diminish growth effects altogether by changing the diet and metabolic processes through aerobics. I do not quite trust the people who say that faster metabolism leads to faster aging. It seems too linear and simplistic to me. And I have seen many people who keep their metabolism on the fast side who look way young. I think growth and hormone have more to do with it than metabolism.

Well... "fast metabolism" may be just increased thyroid activity (for example).. and we know that there's a lot more to aging. Actually even igf-1 signalling seems to be just ONE of the factors that are involved in aging (red something about this in V.Gullianio antiagingfirewalls.com a few days ago)..

Exactly, and if you look at IGF1 levels in centenarians, having low levels may not be ideal:

http://biomed.geront...stract/56/2/M79\
"Background. It is well documented that serum insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1) levels as well as growth hormone secretion decline with advancing age. Low levels of IGF-1 are shown to be associated with low activity of growth hormone, low lean mass, and high body fat mass; however, in the elderly, the relationship has not been confirmed."

"Conclusions. These data suggest that serum IGF-1 levels in the centenarians appeared to reflect their short-term nutritional status as a rapid turnover protein. It is also suggested that low levels of serum IGF-1 may be involved in the progression of dementia in the oldest old."

Or the this study on Centenarians and IGF1:
http://www.newscient...old-humans.html

"In support, they found circulating levels of IGF1 to be 37% higher in carriers of the mutation, probably to compensate for the underperforming receptor. Carriers were also 2.5 centimetres shorter on average than the general population."

These long lived individuals don't have low IGF1, they have a genetic mutation that causes them to have a faulty IGF1 receptor. This is a very different condition from actually suppressing IGF1 production by modulating diet. In fact, having sufficient IGF1 is actually linked to longevity.

"The underscored passage brings up an issue that we've discussed here previously: Why is it that IGF-I pathway mutations can confer long healthy lives on organisms, even though supplementation with IGF-I is often quite beneficial, and depletion of IGF-I is often bad for individual organ systems? Indeed, according to another recent study, low doses of IGF-I appear to protect the mitochondria in aging rodents - why then do completely IGF-I-deficient animals enjoy extended and healthy lives?""

http://www.longevitymeme.org/news/view_news_item.cfm?news_id=3568

Edited by Skotkonung, 05 January 2010 - 06:41 PM.

[TheFountain]

Skot we're not talking about living to a hundred and 20 we're talking about slowing down the aging process. By all accounts centenarians do have 'longevity genes' but there is nothing that tells us this is synonymous with a decline in senescence. It could just be that their special 'longevity genes' make them more tolerant of the aging process and thus more able to handle environmental and internal stresses.

[Skötkonung]

Skot we're not talking about living to a hundred and 20 we're talking about slowing down the aging process. By all accounts centenarians do have 'longevity genes' but there is nothing that tells us this is synonymous with a decline in senescence. It could just be that their special 'longevity genes' make them more tolerant of the aging process and thus more able to handle environmental and internal stresses.

The last paragraph isn't about super centenarians, it is about normal aging. IGF1 plays multiple roles in the body. Just as actively trying to increase it probably wouldn't be healthy, neither is trying to actively suppress it.

You might make yourself look younger via slowing some processes of development, but ultimately cause all types of other health problems in late life like failure of critical organ systems or increased mitochondrial ROS, etc as indicated in the above passage. Older people who supplement GH often experience better bone density, improved skin, more muscle and bone mass, increased energy and alertness. But there is also a very big risk of cancer, and many many other ailments. Ultimately, there is a balance to be struck and I don't feel anyone knows enough about the true optimal longevity range for IGF1 or any growth hormones to make recommendations that we should try and suppress production through dietary modulation.

I'm all for eating lots of plant foods (and raw foods), but one can't aim to lower IGF1 without first having baseline values and a target range (and of course solid clinical evidence to substantiate those target ranges). To date, most analyzed centenarians have some genetic advantage. What indication do we have that genetically "normal" individuals would have a lifespan increase from lowered IGF1.

Edited by Skotkonung, 05 January 2010 - 10:14 PM.

[Logan]

They say child stars age faster than the rest of us, but I became the exploding Nazi at the end Indiana Jones when I found this:

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Jason_Earles

This is "Jackson" from Hanna Montana. ... 1977 ?!?!? How is he going on 33 years old?

I am reading that he has a growth hormone disorder like Andy Milonakis. He is realy short so it could possibly be true. Just another confirmation that growth=aging, or at least the outward appearance of it. Pro-Growth foods (I.E testosterone precursors) might not be the best thing for staying young looking.

Dude, He does NOT look that young. He may have a natural baby face, but it looks like the baby face of a 30 year old.

[Logan]

Danielle Harris at 33 could pass for 19

Now she looks young

[Logan]

I don't have pictures, but at my work there's a group of recent Phillipino immigrants who all look at *least* 10 years younger then their actual age. It's ridiculous. They don't even eat particularly healthy, other than avoiding processed foods and excess sugar. I think it's a combination of humid Phillipino climate, low levels of growth and sex hormones and decent diet plus some unknown factors.. any thoughts?

They just don't have easy access to 'western food of affluence' or what we call junk food here.


Look at a typical American eating day

-Muffin & Starbucks latte for breakfast.
-Burger, pasta, or subway sandwich for lunch.
-Pizza, taco, microwave dinners.
-Ice cream, cake, for dessert
-Add all the condiments, sauce, sugar, and diet coke.


A typical Filipino eating day

-Rice, fish and water (x 3 if they can afford it)

Umm, phillipinos have VERY good olive skin that is not as susceptible to sun damage. They also have that tight fitting Asian skin on their face that does not seem to sage as easily as the typical whitey-similar to many black people.

[VidX]

Skotkonung>Exactly. This is very intricate and interconnected, though I feel there's something of a more "simple"/core nature, under all these processes. Anyway, what I find interesting is that it seems that if you suppress some of the hormones in a premature state (like A.Mylonakis dissease.. well I'm speculating, but..) it "slows" down that process (at least visually, and that's enough to say that some part of aging is slowed down) but if you'd suppress any ADULT of these hormones (like Testosterone, GH, etc..) - he'd become a "wreck", physically, emotionaly and so on (that's why some guys have HRT at a young age, if hypogonadism is diagnosed). Actually males and females start to show increased signs of aging when the hormones "run out", not while they are up and flowing.
What does cause the hormones to decline? I honestly haven't seen any at least a little clear answer.

[Matt]

yah he has a baby face but his skin looks really mature, thick, and probably had lot of sun exposure. I don't really like going on just one photo though, prefer video or real life. Photos not always the best I think. vidx, thats a cute smiley face hahaha. mines better.

Edited by Matt, 06 January 2010 - 12:07 AM.