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[mustardseed41]

Is that Ashton Kutcher? If so we should be talking about his wife. Now there's a babe who looks much younger than her age.

[Forever21]

she spent $100,000+ on it. (which i'm for)

[Chaos Theory]

Fountain why do you feel the need to reduce everything to homosexuality? You are the one coming off insecure. Anyone who disagrees with your idea of fashion is an insecure, trend following, closed minded, (insert emasculating term) ...

You seem to have some type of sick preoccupation with it.

Ashton Kutcher is also someone whose target fan base consists of teenagers.

[TheFountain]

Fountain why do you feel the need to reduce everything to homosexuality? You are the one coming off insecure. Anyone who disagrees with your idea of fashion is an insecure, trend following, closed minded, (insert emasculating term) ...

You seem to have some type of sick preoccupation with it.

Ashton Kutcher is also someone whose target fan base consists of teenagers.

I am not a fan of ashton kutcher (nor do I think his main fan base is teenagers) but I find that people, well men inparticular, are threatened by any other man who styles his hair (usually requiring it to be longer) or wears make up or who defies the satus quo of masculinity. That, my fellow imminst member, is the epitome of insecurity. Ask yourself why you think any man with long hair attracts only teenagers? Ever talk to women in their 20s? Ask yourself why you associate long hair on males with only adolescence. Is this part of the american male militant dogma?

[Forever21]

Ashton Kutcher's target demographics is 25+year old women and 35+ year old men. Not teens.

[Chaos Theory]

I find that people, well men inparticular, are threatened by any other man who styles his hair (usually requiring it to be longer) or wears make up or who defies the satus quo of masculinity. That, my fellow imminst member, is the epitome of insecurity.

I wear my hair slightly longer on top, though shaved on the sides. I definitely style it. I use plenty of skin products because I'm cursed with dry and easily irritated skin. I see what you're saying, I know many would look at all of the things I do and call me a metrosexual but I'd rather not lower myself to that level of thought. Understand that these people probably came from a different background and likely have more "traditional" ideas of what a man "should" do in terms of caring for their looks.

I'm not sure if this is an offensive term but the "metrosexual" movement is still fairly new, though seemingly gaining ground. If you're comfortable enough to be one of the minority who are a part of it then accept that other men will probably question your motives. I understand what you're saying because I find the vast majority of women embrace men taking care of their appearance and men who don't know you ultimately judge and dislike you based only on appearance. I try to put myself in their shoes and feel some sympathy for their closed mindedness rather than psychoanalyzing them because I know in 10-20 years the paradigm will change and the majority of men will take better care of themselves. If someone who doesn't know you has animosity towards you I find it most effective to make the effort to show them you're a cool person rather than walking around with a chip on your shoulder and projecting a vibe which is only going to bring more animosity onto you.

[Luna]

I just thing that by calling people who criticize you for your look "gay", "insecure" or whatever makes you no better than they are.
Besides, what help does it make if someone calls you gay for having long hair and you call them gay for calling people with long hair gay? O_o It's just what causes more hate.

Realize it is just words and with time they will become the minority and the other ways will be accepted more (which I really doubt they are not yet accepted) and that's it.

On a side note, I think TheFountain is mixing things when he call people who DON'T put make up on insecure.
As a person from the side who is allowed to put make up and might be criticized for NOT putting on make up I must say - isn't it insecurity if you are worried that your skin is less than perfect that you have to hide it every day?
I have a friend who told me she used not to put make up, then she tried it and now she CAN'T GO OUT -WITHOUT- make up "so many dots and spots!". That's insecurity.

People who don't put make up are either more secure or don't care or have a more creative or whatever reason.

So calling people who criticize people for putting make up is just plain silly. And calling people who are insecure gay is also stupid.
They are just closed minded and should shut up, but stop swearing and attacking everyone or you are no better than they are. Besides you can usually get along with those people anyways if you just ignore the initial lack of broadness of mind.

[nowayout]

As a gay man who likes to wear my hair buzzed I find Fountain's remarks a little offensive. By definition I am not a closed-minded homophobe.

By the way, the original "metrosexual" was David Beckham, who wears his hair short.

[TheFountain]

I find that people, well men inparticular, are threatened by any other man who styles his hair (usually requiring it to be longer) or wears make up or who defies the satus quo of masculinity. That, my fellow imminst member, is the epitome of insecurity.

I wear my hair slightly longer on top, though shaved on the sides. I definitely style it. I use plenty of skin products because I'm cursed with dry and easily irritated skin. I see what you're saying, I know many would look at all of the things I do and call me a metrosexual but I'd rather not lower myself to that level of thought. Understand that these people probably came from a different background and likely have more "traditional" ideas of what a man "should" do in terms of caring for their looks.

I'm not sure if this is an offensive term but the "metrosexual" movement is still fairly new, though seemingly gaining ground. If you're comfortable enough to be one of the minority who are a part of it then accept that other men will probably question your motives. I understand what you're saying because I find the vast majority of women embrace men taking care of their appearance and men who don't know you ultimately judge and dislike you based only on appearance. I try to put myself in their shoes and feel some sympathy for their closed mindedness rather than psychoanalyzing them because I know in 10-20 years the paradigm will change and the majority of men will take better care of themselves. If someone who doesn't know you has animosity towards you I find it most effective to make the effort to show them you're a cool person rather than walking around with a chip on your shoulder and projecting a vibe which is only going to bring more animosity onto you.

I'm just not the type of person who is desperately predisposed to wanting people to like me. I don't 'worry' about every 'tom, dick and harry' or their anonymous perspective on things. I pity the poor fools for not realizing the importance of crossing boundaries, but I don't worry a speckle about their thoughts about me or how I project or present myself in the world of appearances. I just thought it was common knowledge that men who get so angry at other men for being stylish, having long hair, wearing make up, or whatever are obviously threatened by such men and this threat stems from an equally obvious fear of their own possible homosexual proclivities. Bottom line I think is that most men, like most women, have some homosexual tendencies but unlike women they are unable to culturally embrace them. Instead they opt to misplace their confused hidden homosexual tendencies by watching programs like ultimate fighting championship in which two men get down with each other in a more violent manner. The point here is that the men are 'getting down' to begin with. And that other men like to see it. They don't realize this.

Edited by TheFountain, 12 January 2010 - 12:46 AM.

[TheFountain]

As a gay man who likes to wear my hair buzzed I find Fountain's remarks a little offensive. By definition I am not a closed-minded homophobe.

By the way, the original "metrosexual" was David Beckham, who wears his hair short.

I actually point out to people all the time that most gay men look and act just like most heterosexual men. Perhaps the reason why heterosexual men are threatened by the possibility of their own hidden homosexual tendencies. They seem to churn out the word 'faggot' in repetition toward any guy with long hair who is into fashion. Not realizing that the men they are calling 'faggots' are more than likely more heterosexual than they themselves.

[Chaos Theory]

Quite a bit of projecting going on here..

[mustardseed41]

I find that people, well men inparticular, are threatened by any other man who styles his hair (usually requiring it to be longer) or wears make up or who defies the satus quo of masculinity. That, my fellow imminst member, is the epitome of insecurity.

I wear my hair slightly longer on top, though shaved on the sides. I definitely style it. I use plenty of skin products because I'm cursed with dry and easily irritated skin. I see what you're saying, I know many would look at all of the things I do and call me a metrosexual but I'd rather not lower myself to that level of thought. Understand that these people probably came from a different background and likely have more "traditional" ideas of what a man "should" do in terms of caring for their looks.

I'm not sure if this is an offensive term but the "metrosexual" movement is still fairly new, though seemingly gaining ground. If you're comfortable enough to be one of the minority who are a part of it then accept that other men will probably question your motives. I understand what you're saying because I find the vast majority of women embrace men taking care of their appearance and men who don't know you ultimately judge and dislike you based only on appearance. I try to put myself in their shoes and feel some sympathy for their closed mindedness rather than psychoanalyzing them because I know in 10-20 years the paradigm will change and the majority of men will take better care of themselves. If someone who doesn't know you has animosity towards you I find it most effective to make the effort to show them you're a cool person rather than walking around with a chip on your shoulder and projecting a vibe which is only going to bring more animosity onto you.

I'm just not the type of person who is desperately predisposed to wanting people to like me. I don't 'worry' about every 'tom, dick and harry' or their anonymous perspective on things. I pity the poor fools for not realizing the importance of crossing boundaries, but I don't worry a speckle about their thoughts about me or how I project or present myself in the world of appearances. I just thought it was common knowledge that men who get so angry at other men for being stylish, having long hair, wearing make up, or whatever are obviously threatened by such men and this threat stems from an equally obvious fear of their own possible homosexual proclivities. Bottom line I think is that most men, like most women, have some homosexual tendencies but unlike women they are unable to culturally embrace them. Instead they opt to misplace their confused hidden homosexual tendencies by watching programs like ultimate fighting championship in which two men get down with each other in a more violent manner. The point here is that the men are 'getting down' to begin with. And that other men like to see it. They don't realize this.

Most men have homosexual tendencies????? Seek help dude or crawl out of the closet.

[TheFountain]

I find that people, well men inparticular, are threatened by any other man who styles his hair (usually requiring it to be longer) or wears make up or who defies the satus quo of masculinity. That, my fellow imminst member, is the epitome of insecurity.

I wear my hair slightly longer on top, though shaved on the sides. I definitely style it. I use plenty of skin products because I'm cursed with dry and easily irritated skin. I see what you're saying, I know many would look at all of the things I do and call me a metrosexual but I'd rather not lower myself to that level of thought. Understand that these people probably came from a different background and likely have more "traditional" ideas of what a man "should" do in terms of caring for their looks.

I'm not sure if this is an offensive term but the "metrosexual" movement is still fairly new, though seemingly gaining ground. If you're comfortable enough to be one of the minority who are a part of it then accept that other men will probably question your motives. I understand what you're saying because I find the vast majority of women embrace men taking care of their appearance and men who don't know you ultimately judge and dislike you based only on appearance. I try to put myself in their shoes and feel some sympathy for their closed mindedness rather than psychoanalyzing them because I know in 10-20 years the paradigm will change and the majority of men will take better care of themselves. If someone who doesn't know you has animosity towards you I find it most effective to make the effort to show them you're a cool person rather than walking around with a chip on your shoulder and projecting a vibe which is only going to bring more animosity onto you.

I'm just not the type of person who is desperately predisposed to wanting people to like me. I don't 'worry' about every 'tom, dick and harry' or their anonymous perspective on things. I pity the poor fools for not realizing the importance of crossing boundaries, but I don't worry a speckle about their thoughts about me or how I project or present myself in the world of appearances. I just thought it was common knowledge that men who get so angry at other men for being stylish, having long hair, wearing make up, or whatever are obviously threatened by such men and this threat stems from an equally obvious fear of their own possible homosexual proclivities. Bottom line I think is that most men, like most women, have some homosexual tendencies but unlike women they are unable to culturally embrace them. Instead they opt to misplace their confused hidden homosexual tendencies by watching programs like ultimate fighting championship in which two men get down with each other in a more violent manner. The point here is that the men are 'getting down' to begin with. And that other men like to see it. They don't realize this.

Most men have homosexual tendencies????? Seek help dude or crawl out of the closet.

I'm pretty positive every human being alive has homosexual tendencies. It doesn't mean that most men prefer the company of men, it just means the reason they spaz out over homosexuality is that they fear their own obviously repressed tendencies. Why are you so threatened by it? Ask yourself this. Guys who are less threatened by homosexuals are obviously less homosexual than guys who are.

Edited by TheFountain, 12 January 2010 - 11:00 AM.

[Forever21]

maybe that explains why a lot of guys LOVE watching other naked men get it on (boxing, wrestling, ufc, brazillian jujitzu)

[Luna]

maybe that explains why a lot of guys LOVE watching other naked men get it on (boxing, wrestling, ufc, brazillian jujitzu)

I thought that was because they evolved from apes! :D

Seriously, while I do believe most people might have something towards their own gender at times, it doesn't have to be tendency or explain this code of behavior or whatever, it is too massive for this.
I do know most guys are highly homophobic but it doesn't mean they are gay or that it is completely related to everything.
Just examine history and biology. I have a female to male friend and he told me so many things changed just because of him having testosterone in his body. Beyond that, people simply try to fit in - they are not scared to go against it, they are happy to go with it.

[TheFountain]

I do know most guys are highly homophobic but it doesn't mean they are gay

Yes it does. It is common knowledge in psychotherapy.

Beyond that, people simply try to fit in - they are not scared to go against it, they are happy to go with it.

Or maybe they are just weak minded and stupid and need to be metaphorically slapped in the face. Besides if they were so happy they wouldn't target eccentric people with abuse. And if you believe abuse isn't widespead just visit any youtube channel. The majority of people are frightened, prejudiced children. Stop defending them. They don't require nor deserve it. Furthermore the ones who require defending are the ones who are subject to abuse, not the ones giving it. I.E the minority, not the majority.

Edited by TheFountain, 12 January 2010 - 08:14 PM.

[JLL]

Psychotherapy :--D

[Chaos Theory]

Fountain you seem to lash out at anything representative of the "typical" male. You went off on a tangent in the alpha male thread, the long hair thread, and now you're implying everyone who doesn't want to look gay, is actually a closet homosexual. I can only assume from this that you must have been thoroughly harassed as a youth for being different. As a result you seem completely opposed to anything representative of typical male mindset and behavior.

If you took psych classes in college I would seek reimbursement of your tuition. Please cite some well known names in the field of psychology who share your "everyone is gay" theory.

Edited by Chaos Theory, 13 January 2010 - 12:25 AM.

[numbered]

http://en.wikipedia....ual_orientation

The Kinsey Reports Two of the most famous studies of the demographics of human sexual orientation were Dr. Alfred Kinsey's Sexual Behavior in the Human Male (1948) and Sexual Behavior in the Human Female (1953). These studies used a seven-point spectrum to define sexual behavior, from 0 for completely heterosexual, to 6 for completely homosexual. Kinsey concluded that all but a small percentage of the population were to one degree or another bisexual (falling on the scale from 1 to 5). He also reported that 37% of men in the U.S. had achieved orgasm through contact with another male after adolescence and 13% of women had achieved orgasm through contact with another woman.^[2]

His results, however, have been disputed, especially in 1954 by a team consisting of John Tukey, Frederick Mosteller and William G. Cochran, who stated much of Kinsey's work was based on convenience samples rather than random samples, and thus would have been vulnerable to bias.^[3]

Paul Gebhard, Kinsey's successor as director of the Kinsey Institute for Sex Research, dedicated years to reviewing the Kinsey data and culling its purported contaminants. In 1979, Gebhard (with Alan B. Johnson) concluded that none of Kinsey's original estimates were significantly affected by the perceived bias, finding that 36.4% of men had engaged in both heterosexual and homosexual activities, as opposed to Kinsey's 37%.




I guess some get offended for their reasons by the way fountain states things or whatever. Kinsey showed fountain is more or less right. i think monkeys or apes are in their majority bisexual as well. Just way less hypocritical than us humans

[Forever21]

As I said, men enjoy watching other naked men.

[JLL]

"He also reported that 37% of men in the U.S. had achieved orgasm through contact with another male after adolescence and 13% of women had achieved orgasm through contact with another woman.[2]"

Yeah I just don't see that being the case. If the numbers were reversed then maybe.

[TheFountain]

and now you're implying everyone who doesn't want to look gay

Once again we have the exhibit of clueless self delusion by the typical man who supposes there is a "gay way" to look. Not realizing that most gay men look like every other man.

[JLL]

Oh there's definitely a gay way to look (but Ashton Kutcher doesn't look gay). And sound. And act.

"Not all gay men, but ONLY gay men have the gay voice".

- Some stand-up comedian

[VidX]

Ok. Can we stop concentrating on men watching other naked men and wondering whether it's enjoyable or not (obviously - it is................................................. no?) and go back to posting pictures with ppl that leave us in awe?


I'll try to bring the thread back on rails:

Have a look @ mr R.Robbinson pullin' out some dance moves @ age 63 lol: http://robbyrobinson...leeds-2009.html

Edited by VidX, 13 January 2010 - 02:09 PM.

[wydell]

Does not Robby Robbinson pose half naked (or more than half naked) in most pics?

Ok. Can we stop concentrating on men watching other naked men and wondering whether it's enjoyable or not (obviously - it is................................................. no?) and go back to posting pictures with ppl that leave us in awe?


I'll try to bring the thread back on rails:

Have a look @ mr R.Robbinson pullin' out some dance moves @ age 63 lol: http://robbyrobinson...leeds-2009.html

[Forever21]

i love the way he looks, the tone of his skin
all his muscles, his flesh...supple where it counts...


el oh el

Edited by Forever21, 13 January 2010 - 03:33 PM.

[VidX]

Lool... I guess I should've chosen a better example for a "New start"..

[nowayout]

"He also reported that 37% of men in the U.S. had achieved orgasm through contact with another male after adolescence and 13% of women had achieved orgasm through contact with another woman.[2]"

Okay, where was I when everybody was having all this fun?

[VidX]

Maribel Guardia (50)

[Forever21]

omfg?