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[Raptor87]

Blah.....pass me my sunscreen please

Just make sure you understand how different sunscreens are rated and what requirements needs to be met and what they mean and that your specific brand has been tested by the government. Lousy products could worsen your skin. It would be good of someone started a thread about this.

Edited by Brainfogged, 05 September 2013 - 02:35 AM.

[marcobjj]

^^ that is a far cry from your claim that "sunscreen doesn't help" and that they're part of a big pharma conspiracy. Lmfao @ that

to anyone interested here's EWG's ranking of sunscreen brands by effectivenss and toxicity levels

http://www.ewg.org/2...eens/sunscreen/

Edited by marcobjj, 05 September 2013 - 07:01 AM.

[Adamzski]

It seems like always the day after being in the sun and getting a little red, I seem to have great skin for a few days. I have not been using sunscreen this last year. Seems like in Korea the sun is much less strong than Australia.

Would I be better off using a Sunscreen like Nivea 40+ or none? I know that it is not exactly totally a conspiracy the sunscreen thing but we got by for hundreds of thousands of years without it and I am sure that people with good genes and a healthy diet had great skin before sunscreen.

Wouldn't using a regular chem full sunscreen when you are only getting UV that bounces inside and about 20 min of direct exposure per day be a bad thing?

I have gone off the sunscreen unless I know I will be outside for a few hours but many people who drive to work and just go out for lunch maybe getting 10min max of direct sun are using sunscreen every day.

[JohnD60]

know that it is not exactly totally a conspiracy the sunscreen thing but we got by for hundreds of thousands of years without it and I am sure that people with good genes and a healthy diet had great skin before sunscreen.

Seriously?
The average live expectancy 130 years ago was only about 40 years. Very few people lived past 60. So it is an apples and oranges comparison.
And there are many accounts of various ancient peoples using sunblock paints and clothing to protect their skin.
I look at photos of people like politicans and baseball players from the 1940s and 50s, before sunscreen became popular, and compare them to similar aged people of today, and I can see a general reduction in skin damage today, there could be other reasons. It is just observation, please provide the observational stimulation for you conclusion that people 40+ years of age with good genes and a healthy diet had great skin before sunscreen.

[Adamzski]

hmm maybe. But what do you think of using sunscreen the way I said?
People who drive to work and just go out for lunch maybe getting 10min max of direct sun.

​Letting a chemical stew seep into your skin for no good reason does not seem like a good idea to me.

[marcobjj]

you're better off with that chemical on your skin than DNA damaging radiation, even 10 minutes a day.

[smithx]

I use this sunscreen and recommend it:
http://drvita.com/p-...CFUfZQgodIj0AVg
(I have not purchased from this site though, but they have the lowest price in a google search).

What I like about it is that it's all non-nano zinc with no other sunscreens, and it goes on smooth and doesn't make you look (too) white.

It won't protect you all day at the beach, but it's a great daily sunscreen.

[JBForrester]

to anyone interested here's EWG's ranking of sunscreen brands by effectivenss and toxicity levels

http://www.ewg.org/2...eens/sunscreen/

Wow thank you so much for posting the EWG's sunscreen site! I often frequent their Skin Deep site, but for some reason haven't explored other territory. Is this new? If only I came across this sooner...

[harris13.3]

Some well known people from the news recently who look very good for their respective ages.

Flight attendant from Asiana 214 is 40 years old but looks 27:



Edward Snowden is 30 years old but could easily pass for early 20's:



Bradley Manning is 25 but could pass for late teens:



Dunno when this picture was taken but he looks even younger still:



Also the converse, this man is 37 years old but looks 50+:

[Maecenas]

Sun avoidance historically was some sort of cult for aristocracy in eastern asian countries and India. Skin color was considered a sign of higher social class. This fashion is very strong in modern Japan. I've read recently an interesting article about this: http://thejapans.wor...ction-in-japan/ Asian people and even more so dark skinned people who live in northern latitudes tend to age much slower than caucasian people ( skin of asian people have a built-in melanin SPF of 10 and very dark skin of african can provide an SPF up to 25, while redheads have 10x speed of skin aging and chances to get melanoma under the same UV radiation conditions).
It's very interesting that people independently of times and regions prefer fair skin to dark (it may have something to do with psychological archetypes). There is also the research which states that men find pale skin more attractive in females, but women like brownish or tanned colours in male more.

[JohnD60]

Also the converse, this man is 37 years old but looks 50+:

He is interesting. he looks 55 to me. What is his story? I would guess a combination of a lot of outdoor manual labor in southern location, combined with heav drinking and smoking.

[Raptor87]

^^ that is a far cry from your claim that "sunscreen doesn't help" and that they're part of a big pharma conspiracy. Lmfao @ that

to anyone interested here's EWG's ranking of sunscreen brands by effectivenss and toxicity levels

http://www.ewg.org/2...eens/sunscreen/

Never spoke about a conspiracy about sunscreens. Just lousy products. But you are right, I made an overstatement. When it comes to melanotan, products that cant be patented often isn't promoted because they can interfere with other market products in which companies make money from. It's not a conspiracy theory, this is how the market works.

Edited by Brainfogged, 07 September 2013 - 01:05 AM.

[marcobjj]

What you just described is a conspiracy, and factually incorrect. The entire supplement industry is based on products that cannot be patented and moves billions per year. Zinc oxide sunscreen is actually a free patent and is extremely effective.

Edited by marcobjj, 07 September 2013 - 04:09 AM.

[Raptor87]

What you just described is a conspiracy, and factually incorrect. The entire supplement industry is based on products that cannot be patented and moves billions per year. Zinc oxide sunscreen is actually a free patent and is extremely effective.

Supplement industry

Btw: Don't put words in my mouth and read what I wrote instead. Melanotan is in fact a medical product that can't be patented. There is nothing incorrect with my statement. If you really think pfizer would put money in a product like melanotan to make "changemoney" then you are crudely wrong. The supplement industry doesn't have a say in medical research! The medical industry won't put money on things they can't patent because it won't give enough earnings. Thus, melanotan will be an illegal product for the forthcoming future.

I wouldn't invest in a sunscreen that is made by a supplement company.

[marcobjj]

sure dude, whatever floats your boat...

[Adamzski]

I stayed out of the sun most of my life, I think it has helped a lot. I do wear sunscreen if I know that I will be outside for more than half an hour.

I very recently got 1.5ml of filler in each nasolabial fold, it has worked well. I think I got just the right amount where I still have some slight and natural looking folds but they have decreased in size by about 60%. In this photo I have basically totally remodelled under my eyes in photoshop hehe but not done anything else except some cleanup of a few dots. I have a few skin marks that are like almost pimples but never do grow into pimples. I might get them lasered off, its nothing that noticeable. my baby gf has just got one treatment getting rid of a few freckles and similar half pimples, she had these amazing tiny unnoticeable skin coloured round band aid type things over the spots for a few days after it, it takes 3 or 4 sessions. My under eyes are a big problem i would go for surgery but if it is something that filler could fix then I would not mind the ongoing expense as surgery even by the best docs still has fairly large risks of making something livable with into a huge problem. If I sleep well and eat enough protein my bags go away to the point where a few dabs of a cosmetic skin tightening cream can make me look much like in the top pic.



This is the original image below. My under eyes put 5+ years on me and I start to look my almost 36yo age, also I start to look a little strange with my 14yrs younger gf.



Another problem I have these days is that I look young but when I crack out a big smile or laugh there is tons of crows feet that do shock some people, I see them notice as they may have thought I was younger but then these wrinkles pop out of nowhere. Nothing $300 of botox can't fix but if I am going to work crazy hour and drink like a maniac I will need my under eyes fixed.

[harris13.3]

Also the converse, this man is 37 years old but looks 50+:

He is interesting. he looks 55 to me. What is his story? I would guess a combination of a lot of outdoor manual labor in southern location, combined with heav drinking and smoking.

He pretended to be homeless, according to the news story. It's probably the sun exposure from being out on the streets for a couple hours each day that made his skin worse. Not to mention he seems like the kind of person who would drink/smoke a lot too.

[JBForrester]

41 years. long hair.

Bis, you said you use derma-roller and that it works like a charm. Have you used it under the eyes? If it can be used under the eyes, I wonder if it will thicken thin under-eye skin, i.e. hollows? Are there any risks? Thank you

[marcobjj]

IMO derma roller probably too harsh for the under eye skin, go retin a/renova

[JBForrester]

IMO derma roller probably too harsh for the under eye skin, go retin a/renova

Oooh, tried that before. Not a pleasant sight or experience. It thinned out my under-eye skin so much that I went from looking 23 (when I was 25) to about 27/28. I developed slight dark circles/wrinkles as a result of the limited time using it. I know people swear by it, but as a red-head, it seems to work against rather than work for me, considering ANY contact with ANY UV rays would cause oxidation and negate - or worse, reverse - it's effectiveness and render it harmful. Also, I haven't seen any in-vivo studies on Tretinoin/Retin-a, just in-vitro. Does anybody have in-vivo sources about it's effectiveness?

[marcobjj]

Does anybody have in-vivo sources about it's effectiveness?

below a couple. JB maybe the concentration was too strong for your skin?



http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/23135644

CONCLUSIONS:

The histologic changes in all subjects could be attributed to a remodeling (elastin) or repair (collagen) process that affected the connective tissue fibers in all layers of the dermis. These results suggest that tretinoin 0.02% may be an effective treatment for photodamage, and additional evaluation is warranted in future studies.


http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/22648221

CONCLUSION:

The novel topical anti-aging/anti-acne therapy (Treatment A) within a comprehensive skin care regimen of cleanser, moisturizer, and sunscreen may maximize efficacy and tolerability and contribute to our armamentarium for treating both photodamage and acne at the same time.

[Adamzski]

I might get back on retin-a, would an out of date by a few months tube lose much effectiveness? I only ever seen results when it made me peel this tube I had been using never did really make me sting or peel. 0.05%, but I used a little on my scalp a few months ago and it started to peel within a day, so I know it was still effective. Might try retin-a micro or an alc based retin-a.
I have been spraying my face daily with vitmin-c powder mixed with water in small batches and refrigerated. How much better would an actual vitamin c serum be?

[bis]

Hello jbf,

you can use "very slowly" the derma for eyes. 3 lines. i have two roller : for face and for eyes. one by week.

http://www.dermaroll...lers/dr-roller/

[JBForrester]

Does anybody have in-vivo sources about it's effectiveness?

below a couple. JB maybe the concentration was too strong for your skin?



http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/23135644

CONCLUSIONS:

The histologic changes in all subjects could be attributed to a remodeling (elastin) or repair (collagen) process that affected the connective tissue fibers in all layers of the dermis. These results suggest that tretinoin 0.02% may be an effective treatment for photodamage, and additional evaluation is warranted in future studies.


http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/22648221

CONCLUSION:

The novel topical anti-aging/anti-acne therapy (Treatment A) within a comprehensive skin care regimen of cleanser, moisturizer, and sunscreen may maximize efficacy and tolerability and contribute to our armamentarium for treating both photodamage and acne at the same time.

Thank you Marco! The concentration I used was the lowest available of Retin-A, .025 %. Then - I think this is where the big problem came in - I used the drug-store brand RoC under my eyes, which I had read was even lower in percentage than the lowest Retin-A, so I thought it was fairly safe. But I guess I will never know if it's just a mere sensitivity in general or it was the brand. Not too sure.

How much better would an actual vitamin c serum be?

From what I understand vitamin C serums oxidise fairly quickly. So if you have the powdered version in a fairly protected container (dark colored) and in a dry place, I'd imagine the powder would last you longer. Have you seen any results thus far?

Hello jbf,

you can use "very slowly" the derma for eyes. 3 lines. i have two roller : for face and for eyes. one by week.

http://www.dermaroll...lers/dr-roller/

Thank you, Bis! I will first try it on my face and then if that works well try it on my eyes. You look great, so hopefully I'll age as well as you have with your recommendations...

[machete234]

Also the converse, this man is 37 years old but looks 50+:

He is interesting. he looks 55 to me. What is his story? I would guess a combination of a lot of outdoor manual labor in southern location, combined with heav drinking and smoking.

Maybe hes homeless, an alcoholic, a drug addict.
Its more than drinking and smoking a lot.

[marcobjj]

I might get back on retin-a, would an out of date by a few months tube lose much effectiveness?

it isn't worth the risk, you can buy tube for $3 on alldaychemist.

[xEva]

I might get back on retin-a, would an out of date by a few months tube lose much effectiveness?

it isn't worth the risk, you can buy tube for $3 on alldaychemist.

+ $20 shipping fee

[JLL]

I very recently got 1.5ml of filler in each nasolabial fold, it has worked well. I think I got just the right amount where I still have some slight and natural looking folds but they have decreased in size by about 60%. I

You look fine in the second picture, and ain't no shame in having a gf 14 years younger!

Nasolabial folds are pretty much the only wrinkles I have, maybe one day I'll get them filled, but for now I don't see the point really.

[marcobjj]

I might get back on retin-a, would an out of date by a few months tube lose much effectiveness?

it isn't worth the risk, you can buy tube for $3 on alldaychemist.

+ $20 shipping fee

10 tubes + shipping = 2 year supply for $50 is not a bad deal.

[Adamzski]

Thanks JLL, but my under eyes are a real problem these days. I went for the folds first as I think its all I need at the moment besides my eyes. I have heard that if you put filler under your eyes that it is not effective for large bags and can make it harder for a surgeon to work around it if you end up going that route.
Hehe Im not ashamed to have a younger gf but I am looking older these days. A few years ago I had a similar age gap gf and everyone would say we looked a similar age. This girl I am with now is 22 but she looks much younger in real life most people would expect her to be at school still. I dont really care that much about other people but it could affect us. I want to look 26-28 max.

Here is a friend of mine, 22yo with her Grandmother! 63yo.. it is an instagram type filtered photo but in real life she looks about 40 something



the Asiana flight attendant that Condraz23 posted above is a very normal 40yo in Seoul, I would guess her age at 40 for sure.