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[Boopy!]

i have been following (skimming)  a few of these extraordinarily long comments on people's apparent ages.    Most of the ones you think look good are either photoshopped or cosmetically enhanced beyond belief  (even Jared Leto,  Mario Lopez,  and all of the women in the public eye.)   I think a lot of people think (as I used to)  that people don't have anything and everything done --  even if they don't need it.   Sandra Bullock is basically no longer her original self,  after tons and tons of work.  My sister works in movies and she clued me into the enormous amount of stuff done to anyone pretty much.   Even the ones you would find shocking.   She did the airbrushing/photoshopping for movies like Wanted and Ray and trust me,   you cannot trust your own eyes anymore.   So I am ignoring pictures of,   for example,   Barbara Hershey,  or Carol Alt  (models are the first in line for anything cosmetic -- they make talk a good game about raw fooding but they are botoxing and juvederming all the way.)   So saying some of these celebs lead a healthy life style is laughable since I don't consider any injection natural or raw.   I have a question that may be better in a nutrition forum.   I tend to eat very healthy but I simply don't understand why dairy -- milk and yogurt for example -- is considered to be "bad" or off-limits.  I love it so much and I don't know how in the world I could quit it.   I also eat too much fruit,  I suppose  (strawberries every day for years and years -- I am a strawberry addict.)  Is dairy that awful for longevity,   why,  and is there anything at all I can do to counteract it?

[Maecenas]

No plastic surgery can make someone look as young as Jared Leto looks. If there was, all celebrities would look 20 years younger, but Leto is one of the few who does. He is 42 and has a flawless skin, absolutely no wrinkles, his skin is in a better condition than in the most 25 years old celebrities. The fact that he is skinny makes this even more unbelievable, cause skinny people get more wrinkles after a certain age. He also had two very serious weight fluctuations for his roles (gaining 60 pounds for the first role and shedding 40 for another), such rapid changes in weight leave stretch marks and saggy skin but he has none. His older brother Shannon and mother also look almost 10 years younger.

He is a vegan (but he eats lots of grains and praises olive oil),  he strictly avoids sun exposure, he rides a bike daily for half an hour.  I would be glad to hear your opinion and any additional information about this truly ageless man. Here is his latest close up photo: http://celebrityclos...4755/jared-leto

Edited by Maecenas, 28 August 2014 - 08:32 PM.

[marcobjj]

Leto credits his youthful looks to his vegan diet. 

Edited by marcobjj, 28 August 2014 - 09:44 PM.

[marcobjj]

As if we needed another reason to totally dig Jared Leto, he credits a vegan diet and yoga workouts for his youthful good looks. Leto, who at 42 looks a decade younger, also doesn’t drink and makes sure he gets enough rest.

 

“I still have plenty of vices, but alcohol isn’t one of them,” Jared told British GQ. “It’s probably just down to sleep and diet. If you travel long-haul a lot or don’t sleep much, [your body's] not going to last very long, that’s for sure.”

 

 

For exercise, the boyishly handsome Leto does yoga workouts, hikes, and cycles. “I’m a pretty adventurous hiker, so I like to crawl through the brush,” he said. “I like to be outdoors. I never use an iPod. I like to hear the sounds of nature.”

 

 

After losing the weight in 2008, Leto said he would never again gain weight for a film role because carrying the excess weight on his slender frame damaged his health. 

 

“I’d never do it [gain a lot of weight for a role] again. It definitely gave me some problems. I don’t know if it was gout, but I had a definite problem with my feet. I couldn’t walk for long distances, I had a wheelchair because it was so painful. My body was in shock from the amount of weight I gained. It took about a year to get back to a place that felt semi-normal.” -

[marcobjj]

I tend to eat very healthy but I simply don't understand why dairy -- milk and yogurt for example -- is considered to be "bad" or off-limits.  I love it so much and I don't know how in the world I could quit it.   I also eat too much fruit,  I suppose  (strawberries every day for years and years -- I am a strawberry addict.)  Is dairy that awful for longevity,   why,  and is there anything at all I can do to counteract it?

 

many people are intolerant to lactose, which can be avoided in natural yogurt.

 

Dairy (and all proteins of animal origin) contains an amino acid called methionine which has been linked to accelerated aging rates, plus many dairy products contain traces of growth hormone, which also (theoretically) contributes to accelerated aging.

Edited by marcobjj, 28 August 2014 - 09:49 PM.

[marcobjj]

Genetics ! I'm sure ! But not only. 

Psychology I think,  for example to keep in touch with the part of our childhood . 

and a lot of cosmetics too. the power of the spirit its very important for me. 

 

at 26 years i was old and sad, http://image-uniserv...55613/75653.jpg

 

at 43 i'm young and free.

 

you are or you will become what you think. what you want. 

 

 

 

friendly

 

 

Rémy 

 

 

I asked you this before Bis, just don't remember what page you posted the answer anymore, but you're also a vegan, correct?

[marcobjj]

Putin -- born 1952 (61 years), stressful job, and yet..

this is taken  on April 29, 2014

 

 

 

 

Putin has had work done. Here's a before pic:

 

 

 

 

 

 

For a guy who loves to portray himself as macho man riding horses shirtless and whatnot he's certainly comes off very feminine injecting fillers in his face. Guy's a politician, not a hollywood actor.

[Boopy!]

yuck to both pics of Putin.   Ugh!    So....thanks for the tip re dairy.   Unfortunately I really do love it.    I like plain yogurt with strawberries and blueberries and if I don't have that everyday I get sad!    Well not sad really but....jeez is nothing good anymore?   I have no issues with lactose but if dairy is supposedly so bad for me,   I don't know that I even WANT to live a long,  dairy-less life!   As far as this vegan thing,   it's funny to me because I have hated all meat for years and years,   since as long as I can remember.   I recently have been forcing myself to eat things like fish and eggs because protein is good for your skin and hair,   and I noticed a big difference.   Of course I used to eat nothing but fruits and veggies since that's all I liked,   plus the dairy of course.   But I just don't look as good without a bit of protein I find.   My hair was so awful when I was not getting certain kinds of protein.

[blood]

From a heath & ageing perspective, berries of all kinds are one of the best things to eat.
 

Blueberries and Strawberries Reduce Heart Attack Risk in Middle-Aged Women

... Researchers from the Harvard School of Public Health followed 93,600 women age 25 to 42 for 18 years looking at the relationship of various dietary factors and the risk for heart disease. They found that women who consumed more than three servings per week of a combination of blueberries and strawberries had a 32 percent reduced risk for a heart attack...

Strawberries Reduce Cardiovascular Risk

Blueberries and Strawberries Reduce the Rate of Brain Aging

I agree with Boopy, berries are an uplifting food somehow... heaven is munching through a punnet of raspberries. Blueberries that are perfectly tart (not too ripe) & firm (almost crunchy) are almost as good. I also like strawberries (not as much as raspberries, blueberries, or blackberries, though). I aim to eat fresh berries at least three times/week.

Edited by blood, 28 August 2014 - 11:59 PM.

[blood]

Consumption of yoghurt has "traditionally" been linked with a long life.
Don't know what contemporary science has to say about that...

... I don't think there is a consensus among scientists that dairy is "bad" for people, though.
E.g., research finds that people who exclude dairy from their diet are more prone to overweight, obesity.

The only dairy I eat regularly is natural yoghurt. I think on balance it is a beneficial, healthful food.

Look at the emerging & fast growing body of evidence on links b/w gut health & mood, cardiovascular wellbeing, etc. Things that promote a more healthful gut environment (consumption of yoghurt, inulin, FOS, dietary fibre) are likely to offer health benefits.

Edited by blood, 29 August 2014 - 12:02 AM.

[Aurel]

Please stick to your milk Boopy if you like it. It was a trend to bash milk some time ago (or is this still a thing?), promoted by books like "The China Study" (pretty popular among vegans) which have since then proven to be unscientific.

Still some echoes of this era can be heard. Something like: (Quote by marco) "Dairy (and all proteins of animal origin) contains an amino acid called methionine". Methione is actually an essential amino acid, which the human body relies on since it can not produce it itself. Not only does the body needs it, it is also found pretty much everywhere and is not limited to animal origins. Example: Milk contains 2,5% Methione, Rice 2,3%, Paranuts 7%, Sesam 3,3%, Soybeans 1,5% etc.

[blood]

Still some echoes of this era can be heard. Something like: (Quote by marco) "[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Dairy (and all proteins of animal origin) contains an amino acid called methionine". Methione is actually an essential amino acid, which the human body relies on since it can not produce it itself...

Perhaps the poster was thinking of the startling finding that (in mice!) careful restriction of dietary methionine is as effective as calorie restriction in extending the healthspan & lifespan. As with calorie restriction, methionine restriction is probably not something you'd want to do in a haphazard way (e.g., by excluding random, possibly quite healthful foods such as yoghurt from your diet).

[Aurel]

Would be interesting to know if this is true for humans as well. And IF yes, if it would apply to MORE methionine is bad or an EXESS of methionine is bad. If a person is very fit and needs more proteins for his muscles than an underweight person, would this be bad? Or only if you eat more than you actually need. Mhm...

[marcobjj]

Please stick to your milk Boopy if you like it. It was a trend to bash milk some time ago (or is this still a thing?), promoted by books like "The China Study" (pretty popular among vegans) which have since then proven to be unscientific.

Still some echoes of this era can be heard. Something like: (Quote by marco) "Dairy (and all proteins of animal origin) contains an amino acid called methionine". Methione is actually an essential amino acid, which the human body relies on since it can not produce it itself. Not only does the body needs it, it is also found pretty much everywhere and is not limited to animal origins. Example: Milk contains 2,5% Methione, Rice 2,3%, Paranuts 7%, Sesam 3,3%, Soybeans 1,5% etc.

 

 

how many gallons of para nuts, sesame and soybeans most people consume weekly compared to milk? Rice contains less then 1% Methionine btw. The 2.3% figure is the content of Methionine found in rice protein, not just plain rice. 0.052 grams in Methionine are found in 100 grams of cooked rice, vs 1.1 g per 100g in dairy and 3.2g /100g in eggs.

Edited by marcobjj, 30 August 2014 - 02:50 AM.

[marcobjj]

Would be interesting to know if this is true for humans as well. And IF yes, if it would apply to MORE methionine is bad or an EXESS of methionine is bad. If a person is very fit and needs more proteins for his muscles than an underweight person, would this be bad? Or only if you eat more than you actually need. Mhm...

 

Currently here's no way to know this for sure. If you're into bodybuilding look into BCAA supplements and combining rice and pea protein powders, because if you're taking 1g of animal protein per pound of body mass like most body builders do, then that's definitely a truckload of methionine. 

[marcobjj]

"I'm a vegan most of the time and then I cheat and become a cheagan"

 

[JohnD60]

 Most of the ones you think look good are either photoshopped or cosmetically enhanced beyond belief  (even Jared Leto,  Mario Lopez,  and all of the women in the public eye.)   I think a lot of people think (as I used to)  that people don't have anything and everything done --  even if they don't need it.   Sandra Bullock is basically no longer her original self,  after tons and tons of work.  My sister works in movies and she clued me into the enormous amount of stuff done to anyone pretty much....

 

Most that post in this thread understand that the celebrities herein have undergone some cosmetic enhancements to maintain or enhance their looks. It is good that this is reiterated from time to time. Some photoshopped pics sneak in, but they are usually called out as BS.  But it is still impressive that someone like Jared Leto or Rob Lowe or Tom Cruise or Morgan Fairchild or Jennifer Beals or Christy Brinkley look as good as they do at their age even factoring in fillers/surgery/skin treatments/botox/etc....  What I find refreshing about this thread is that it is *usually* absent the ideologue discussions about this or that diet. IMO, this thread should be strictly about how young someone looks relative to their age, regardless of what 'artificial' work they may have had done. Unless they write an article or are interviewed about it, we really don't know their full story. Though I find wigs, hair extensions and heavy makeup to be cheats (e.g. Cher), maybe that is just me.
 

Edited by JohnD60, 31 August 2014 - 04:10 AM.

[Raptor87]

"I'm a vegan most of the time and then I cheat and become a cheagan"

 

 

It's not fair, he has a full head of hair. Not many guy's can pull that rock look off. 

 

Also what's with this raw food stuff? I tried that once and had to stop because I was farting so bad that it sounded like hell was surfacing earth. 

[Boopy!]

heehee must be the 12 year old in me I love fart jokes!    In nursing school we were taught that the raw food trend is simply that,   a trend.   True you don't want to cook ALL the nutrients out of your food.   Some foods are actually MORE nutritious when cooked,  some healthier raw.   For example,   better to eat spinach raw and broccoli cooked....or maybe the other way around,  I never remember which.   The main thing in the end is that you are eating a wide variety,  cooked or raw,  and those obsessed with all raw all the time simply enjoy limiting their options.   If you are worried about cooking nutrients out of your food but prefer it cooked,   you can get inventive as I did;   I love broccoli cooked in the winter,  and then I drink the juice down and use it for soups.  I really like playing around with spices like turmeric and garlic and red pepper,   in fact I hate a meal without spicing.

[Raptor87]

David Bowie is 67 and looks like a handsome 50 year old!

 

Link 1

Link 2

Link 3 (Photoshopped)

 

Full head of hair and a great jawstructure/teeth does a lot! 

[Adamzski]

Barbara Eden, LOL cant say she looks realistic.. but she is hitting 80 and does look cute still, she must have good surgeons as I have seen plenty of 50 year olds with worse results

 

http://www.dailymail...ie-costume.html

 

[Boopy!]

THe only one so far I agree looks young for his age,  regardless of surgery,  is Jared Leto -- definitely yes.   Large eyes and good teeth or good veneers do amazing things which is why I plan on veneers someday.   They are permanent dentures and have their own set of problems,  and are insanely expensive,  but they do wonders for a face.   I would not get them as horribly white and oversized as many celebs,.   however --  this looks embarrassing.   Also,   Christie Brinkley has had very good surgery but has become unrecognizable recently due to the eye lifts.   She corrected years of sun damage with lots of lasers,  at least one face lift (which didn't do much for her neck which looks jarringly old against the young face -- it's all wrinkley and weird),  something really weird to the eyes so they don't look like her anymore,  and tons of other stuff.    I noticed she had done something new in every new picture that would come out of her,  so it must have cost her hundreds of thousands.   Plus she was doing growth hormone since she was in her 30s  (I met people who worked with her and knew her -- it was the first I had ever heard of actually injecting yourself with stuff.)   I would love to know who her surgeon(s)  are as other than the eyes and neck she looks amazing. And maybe the eyes "fell"  into place since then or she did the neck since then,  who knows.   I suppose it is worth the money but I'm not sure....it is also sad at the same time to see the progression of her obvious obsession,   since I cannot imagine she is very happy inside.   I think it had something to do with the husband cheating on her with an eighteen year old,  plus lots of insecurity that goes along with aging and modelling -- it really messes up the head.   I wonder if that's why the daughter is kind of messed up although she seems to be in a somewhat better place now.   I have never met a woman who was intelligent and beautiful in her youth who didn't get really screwed up as she aged -- weird since you would think they would realize how silly it all is,  but when you are rewarded for most of your life for your looks and little else,  I guess it makes sense.  What do you think -- is it worth tons of money and obsession like that,  or is there more of a happy medium?   I would like to think I won't mind a few wrinkles eventually,  but it's hard to know.   One thing is for sure -- I really don't want Christie Brinkley to be my role model as I just cannot imagine she is very happy to look at the crazed pictures of her.  I am trying to think of one who aged "happily"  and there are others,  who might do stuff to their faces but don't seem so obsessed.   As crazy as it might sound,   I view someone like Janice Dickinson,  an aging model,  as more of a role model since she is honest and has a sense of humor about it,  rather than trying to pretend nothing has changed/been surgically altered.   So I guess the sense of humor helps.   Weird that in our society the ones who talk about their surgery honestly and joke about it are the ones people mock and judge,  while sitting right beside them are people with sticks up their asses,  pretending all is normal.   Wolf in sheep's clothing and all that.   Of course there are other people perhaps even better to choose than Janice Dickinson,  but I honestly don't see why people act like she's so crazy - it's the ones who say nothing that are always the most messed up.   I refuse to say that the inside doesn't count -- if you aren'[t happy inside,  you WILL age faster.

[ImmortalSpace]

So basically heres a bunch of celeberties that I found that look really young

with my research into aging- and these are pretty significant in my opinion. 

You can look them up and research them, i'm just throwing these out there. 

 

- Noel Fielding

- Jared Leto

- Billie Joe Armstrong

- Paul Mccartney 

- Christie brinkley

 

(Nearly all of them are vegetarian or vegan in Jared Letos case. Christie Brinkley is a pescetarian [vegan who eats fish]

 

Just some side notes, I know a lot of people will disagree, but I think theres a connection between meat and aging-

I read an article that said processed meat correlated to shorter telomeres. But apparently white and red meat has a similar affect processed or not.

 

Colonocyte telomere shortening is greater with dietary red meat than white meat and is attenuated by resistant starch.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/21963168

Dietary patterns, food groups, and telomere length...

 

http://ajcn.nutritio...5/1405.abstract

[mustardseed41]

Blah...not the ole 'Vegetarians look younger" rant again. There are far too many other examples of known vegetarians that look damn old for their age. I know, I know, it's because of their love for the sunshine.

[mustardseed41]

Oh so Barbera Eden does not look young for her age? Yea right, we all know most 80 year olds look like that.

And how the heck do you know how Christie Brinkley feels inside. Crazy talk.

[mikey]

Ah, but they don't differentiate between types of red meat, because 95% of American red meat is grain-fed on dirt feedlot floors, which some of the top Harvard researchers showed a couple years ago increases the potential for cancer CVD and a shorter lifespan.

 

Where grass-fed beef, like they have in France, Netherlands, New Zealand and lots of more "civilized" countries (and Whole Foods Market) has 5 times as much omega-3's, four times more vitamin E and the fats are more or less oppositely configured, with less omega-6 and more anti-cancer CLA's, and on and on. Big differences that cause opposite effects.

Please see: http://www.michaelmo...eatandDie.html 

 

Americans generally think that all red meat is like OUR red meat, when grass-fed, pasture-raised red meat is quite different and superior for overall health, resistance to cancer, CVD and promotes a longer lifespan, at least in theory.

 

Also, most star-type people that I know eat light, more consciously, as they are told early in their careers that to maintain their looks they should eat healthy. You know more organic veggies and less of a lot of obviously unhealthy "foods."

[JohnD60]

BEden looks great for 80. I'd wager she is on hormone replacement therapy. There is probably a reason the neck is covered.

Edited by JohnD60, 12 September 2014 - 05:16 AM.

[Heyman]

We know that most of premature aging is caused by photoaging. If vegetarianism has an influence then most likely not because of the existence of meat in the diet but because of a decent amount of antioxidants through vegetables etc... But this influence is probably not as high as topically applying antioxidants and using sunscreen. Photoaging is adapting of the skin tor sun damage IMO like our muscles adapting to a workout, I don't think actually being young or having longer telomeres is related to these adaptions - though some time is needed so you can photoage.

[Danail Bulgaria]

Madona -> very good example for the advancements of the plastic surgery today.

[mikey]

Madona -> very good example for the advancements of the plastic surgery today.

 

Give her a break. Comeon.

 

After having babies she worked out and ate so intelligently that she made her body look as lean as it does.

 

And there's only so much that plastic surgery can do. It doesn't appear that she has had much.

 

She's brilliant and deserves her success.