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[Forever21]

only initial attraction...which counts to what? a few seconds. the game immediately advances to different attraction triggers after that. so many of them. confidence, body language, humor, social skills, vocal projection, ambition (for the young), career (for the adults), lifestyle, tribe or circle of friends, so many things.

the days of beefcakes are over. we do see a lot more of women these days in the west gravitate to the "lesser" dominant trigger qualities (huge built, lots of resources) which are also indicators of high risk of competition with other women. these "lesser" dominant triggers are the men with round faces, smaller built, thin, petite, in other words a "girlfriend" type guy that's more likely to stick around because he's not high-risk in infidelity. so if you're attracting european nordic women, you're going to need a lot more than a tanned, muscle built look (triggers: dominant, financially stable) because she herself is well traveled, well educated, and has a "healthy" social net from the government to rely on. so she's got no need for the proxies of a provider/protector type. she's looking for someone more "matey"

but as i said in the beginning, this is MINOR and only lasts in a few seconds. rules changes fast one you open your mouth. beefcakes can easily be more attractive to the scrawny guy if he knows how to attract her and vice versa. beefcakes or scrawny, men need to attract females on their personality more than looks because the other gender's attraction buttons are not wired visually as ours do. they need much more than looks to be attracted to ya.

[Skötkonung]

I'm talking about teenage girls and those in their early 20s. My generation of females seems alot less interested in overly built bodies than women in their 30s and up. I think it is a generational/mental evolution thing. Don't think you know what girls want, that's arrogance. And most sensible females hate arrogance.

First you state that girls of your generation don't like "built bodies." That is presuming to know what women want. Then you state that assuming to know what girls want makes someone arrogant. Then you assume again that girls don't want arrogance. Seems like your own standards make you arrogant.

I'm a firm believer that there is someone for almost everyone. People usually gravitate toward individuals with similar interests. I personally would not date a woman that is not a participant of active culture -- I've tried, it doesn't work. They get insecure by all the time you take fussing over your diet or exercising. That's why I only date girls who have similar interests to my own. Case in point: my most recent ex-girlfriend was a fitness model for Nike. My current girlfriend of 2 years was the yoga instructor at my gym, and now teaches group fitness on the weekends (just for fun!).

You may be right, the average myspace teen doesn't want or care for muscular guy. But then again, I wouldn't want to date some myspace teen, either. We are just too different in terms of life stages, not to mention it is illegal. As for 20 something women as a cohesive group, your experience may lead you to believe they don't like weight lifters, but mine leads me to believe otherwise. I'm guessing both of us are in very different social groups... working in academia I see many undergraduates come and go. From my observations, I believe there is no real characterization that applies to everyone. Some girls like built guys, some don't.

In summary, I would rather date a woman with the drive and ambition to go to the gym each day and is nutrition conscious, who has a graduate level education and a steady job. I guess I am lucky because I found it with my current girlfriend. To each their own I suppose.

Edited by Skötkonung, 30 April 2010 - 06:37 PM.

[VidX]

As Arnold once said: there are three dff. kind of females: 1.These who like muscles, 2.These who doesn't like them and 3.Unsure ones. That pretty much sums it up.
Though even if you stumble upon one who don't like (has some stereotypes and beliefs usualy) and your personality comes as the "right one" - just wait and see how her perspective changes 180 degrees.
Talking about needs and "values", well financial, status, social and other things may seem like an important ones, but biology and wired instincs overtakes all of them. There are criminals, complete scumbags, stupid morons who attract females like honey attracts bees. so much of all the "culture" properties. Don't forget we are still animals guys..

Edited by VidX, 30 April 2010 - 08:36 PM.

[goatz]

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Edited by goatz, 01 May 2010 - 02:34 PM.

[Matt]

YOUNG


his age is in the comment section

People say that it don't count if you're really young, aging don't start at this point anyway, but if you're looking that young at his age, it's getting a huge headstart already compared to the average person who is a lot more matured by this age.

I guess some of us are lucky

Edited by Matt, 01 May 2010 - 11:42 PM.

[Forever21]

YOUNG


his age is in the comment section

People say that it don't count if you're really young, aging don't start at this point anyway, but if you're looking that young at his age, it's getting a huge headstart already compared to the average person who is a lot more matured by this age.

I guess some of us are lucky

or the opposite. i lived in Austin. this is not unheard of. many (and many are vegans) display this kind of unusually young look but immediate age and age really bad with their looks soon after they hit 25. we know this because these young people have older siblings and who've been through the phase.

[Forever21]

but anyway, he's got an amazingly beautiful hair. dang. so hawt.

[miklu]

YOUNG

Judging by his near-prepubescent voice, the guy probably has some hormonal imbalance similar to Andy Milonakis. It is not difficult, then, to be boyish still at early twenties, since you won't have any outright indications of masculine maturity (e.g., voice; bone structure; facial hair; and male-typical, acne-prone oily skin). Indeed, with a similar hairstyle, a 20-year old woman could easily look like this guy.

[ken_akiba]

Me.
But then most Far Easterners look younger hehe.

[Kisya]

Me.
But then most Far Easterners look younger hehe.

I am also Eurasiansie ^-^ Most likely Mongolian, heehee ^-^

♥ Annousenka ♥

[chris w]

As Arnold once said: there are three dff. kind of females: 1.These who like muscles, 2.These who doesn't like them and 3.Unsure ones. That pretty much sums it up.
Though even if you stumble upon one who don't like (has some stereotypes and beliefs usualy) and your personality comes as the "right one" - just wait and see how her perspective changes 180 degrees.
Talking about needs and "values", well financial, status, social and other things may seem like an important ones, but biology and wired instincs overtakes all of them. There are criminals, complete scumbags, stupid morons who attract females like honey attracts bees. so much of all the "culture" properties. Don't forget we are still animals guys..

I hear you, but there are cases when you just have to wonder if that whole evolutionary thing is as strong as we would think, I'm thinking at this moment about pairs where the woman is taller than the man, of course there aren't many of them, but then again how could there be, if an average man is taller than averige girl everywhere. On the ground of Ev Psych something like this seems hardly explainable. It would be ridicouolus to me to claim that the girl is not "really, really" physically attracted to that short guy, just somehow under his "cultural" charm so in this particular case she doesn't mind being the dominating and not the dominated one. This would be sort of like a physicist stating that the law of gravity apllies everywhere...except maybe Jupiter on Fridays.

Generally to me this is the weakest point of EP - the exceptions from its rules, when for example some study proves that 80 % of men like some trait in women or vice versa and this is due to our evolutionary heritage, than you have to ask what's with the other 20 % ? What, did their ancestors magically "jump over" evolution or something ?

Edited by chris w, 03 May 2010 - 01:43 PM.

[Brafarality]

I used to post pics of myself in all sorts of asinine poses, to show off how young I looked and so on, but none of them gave an idea of how this 41 year old can move!



My best friend's better half was the cinematographer.

[VidX]

Well I guess there are just statisticaly significant tendencies, they aren't obsolete obviously. Even laws of physics aren't "written in stone", more like a highly predictable forces, the way they work at this moment in universe.

[Kisya]

Heehee ^-^

Edited by PetiteCerise, 04 May 2010 - 06:21 PM.

[Kisya]

but anyway, he's got an amazingly beautiful hair. dang. so hawt.

*I* have amazingly beautiful hair, heehee! ^-^

♥ Annousenka ♥

[Skötkonung]

Okay you're not yanking. You're gently tugging. However I am entirely open to the possibility that you are autistic, which would be a beautiful thing in and of itself as I believe autistic people are beautiful souls with much talent and creativity. Sometimes I consider myself borderline Aspergers.

I think this is one of the funniest things I have read on this forum

[mikeinnaples]

but anyway, he's got an amazingly beautiful hair. dang. so hawt.

*I* have amazingly beautiful hair, heehee! ^-^

♥ Annousenka ♥

Do you have evidence to support this claim?

[Kisya]

but anyway, he's got an amazingly beautiful hair. dang. so hawt.

*I* have amazingly beautiful hair, heehee! ^-^

♥ Annousenka ♥

Do you have evidence to support this claim?

Yes, here! ^-^







Heehee! ^-^

♥ Annousenka ♥

[chris w]

lol, just what is going on in here ?

Edited by chris w, 05 May 2010 - 07:27 PM.

[Brafarality]

This guy is a superlative example of fitness and youth combined with a bodybuilder's development:



74 year old man from Japan.

[chris w]

This guy is a superlative example of fitness and youth combined with a bodybuilder's development:



74 year old man from Japan.

He's good but still I think you can see certain sagging in his belly when he poses. I guess most East Asians age pretty well, ussually are slim and the high cheek bones provide good toning of the facial skin plus they eat healthy ( at least Japanese from what I know ).

Edited by chris w, 05 May 2010 - 07:26 PM.

[Brafarality]

This guy is a superlative example of fitness and youth combined with a bodybuilder's development:



74 year old man from Japan.

I guess most East Asians age pretty well, ussually are slim and the high cheek bones provide good toning of the facial skin plus they eat healthy ( at least Japanese from what I know ).

Wow. That is a massively good point about the cheek bones. Never thought of that before.
And, I have very high cheek bones, to the point where some think I am a sex changed girl since I started growing my hair really long.
(but only when I clean shave, which is VERY rarely. I am usually a scraggly scalawag)

So maybe I benefit from this uncovering.
Won't argue with that alluring possibility!

[VidX]

We've already mentioned him. Though make up or not, but looking like that @ 50yo in a regular shot (it may look like a photoshoot) is pretty remarkable I must say..

[Matt]

Prince has not really changed since the 80's, and he never had a particularly 'young look' in his 20s either. He's doing really well... He's a vegan or vegetarian? He's short and thin. Maybe he's CR'd haha

[Luna]

This guy is a superlative example of fitness and youth combined with a bodybuilder's development:



74 year old man from Japan.

I guess most East Asians age pretty well, ussually are slim and the high cheek bones provide good toning of the facial skin plus they eat healthy ( at least Japanese from what I know ).

Wow. That is a massively good point about the cheek bones. Never thought of that before.
And, I have very high cheek bones, to the point where some think I am a sex changed girl since I started growing my hair really long.
(but only when I clean shave, which is VERY rarely. I am usually a scraggly scalawag)

So maybe I benefit from this uncovering.
Won't argue with that alluring possibility!

Actually, high cheeks bone is a masculine thing.

[Brafarality]

This guy is a superlative example of fitness and youth combined with a bodybuilder's development:



74 year old man from Japan.

I guess most East Asians age pretty well, ussually are slim and the high cheek bones provide good toning of the facial skin plus they eat healthy ( at least Japanese from what I know ).

Wow. That is a massively good point about the cheek bones. Never thought of that before.
And, I have very high cheek bones, to the point where some think I am a sex changed girl since I started growing my hair really long.
(but only when I clean shave, which is VERY rarely. I am usually a scraggly scalawag)

So maybe I benefit from this uncovering.
Won't argue with that alluring possibility!

Actually, high cheeks bone is a masculine thing.

Hmmm...good point.
Maybe I mean low cheek bones?
But, looking masculine is always a good thing, so, it would be pretty cool to be proven wrong.

Not one of those types that want to look feminine here. Young? Maybe, more like definitely, but feminine? No.
That's for the ladies in the house.

[chris w]

But, looking masculine is always a good thing, so, it would be pretty cool to be proven wrong.

Not one of those types that want to look feminine here. Young? Maybe, more like definitely, but feminine? No.
That's for the ladies in the house.

Me no likey this. Why do say that it's "always" good to look masculine ? Depends on the situation, if you mean ladies wise, then from what I know they choose differrent features as the more attractive depending on the phase of menstruational cycle, so it seems pointless to worry if your face says you're the "friendly type" or the "badass type", because the wheel keeps turning and turning.

Besides from your photos I see that you wear long hair, so deliberately doing something that our society associates with feminine ( not that it's always been like that ).

And you do look young ( the youtube vid - them geezers still got the moves ), keep up whatever that is you're doing or not doing, cheers.

Edited by chris w, 07 May 2010 - 01:06 PM.

[Brafarality]

But, looking masculine is always a good thing, so, it would be pretty cool to be proven wrong.

Not one of those types that want to look feminine here. Young? Maybe, more like definitely, but feminine? No.
That's for the ladies in the house.

Me no likey this. Why do say that it's "always" good to look masculine ? Depends on the situation, if you mean ladies wise, then from what I know they choose differrent features as the more attractive depending on the phase of menstruational cycle, so it seems pointless to worry if your face says you're the "friendly type" or the "badass type", because the wheel keeps turning and turning.

Read about that somewhere.
What is turning that wheel of attractivness?
How do the hormonal and cyclical shifts actually change perception of beauty and attraction?

Humans are so primordial at the core, and it is very compelling.
It's like a journey to try and understand it all.

[chris w]

What is turning that wheel of attractivness?
How do the hormonal and cyclical shifts actually change perception of beauty and attraction?

It has to do with with evolutionary advantages and disadvantages - A high on testosterone man when mating with a woman during her fertile periods had a higher chance of producing a baby who ( if male ) would also be high on Test, thus being more extravertive, competitive, goal reaching blah blah, but the same masculine father would tend to be agrresive, promiscuous and unimaginative, so not a good companion and not the best one to care for the child.

This the theory, but I'm not really the greatest fan of Evolutionary Psychology, it seems like right now virtually every single one human activity and every view is being derived from evolution somehow and this makes the theory too big and too stretched in every direction, so that sooner or later it encounters significant exceptions that it ( in my view ) doesn't know how to refute, so just ignores them.

Edited by chris w, 07 May 2010 - 03:41 PM.

[Brafarality]

What is turning that wheel of attractivness?
How do the hormonal and cyclical shifts actually change perception of beauty and attraction?

It has to do with with evolutionary advantages and disadvantages - A high on testosterone man when mating with a woman during her fertile periods had a higher chance of producing a baby who ( if male ) would also be high on Test, thus being more extravertive, competitive, goal reaching blah blah, but the same masculine father would tend to be agrresive, promiscuous and unimaginative, so not a good companion and not the best one to care for the child.

This the theory, but I'm not really the greatest fan of Evolutionary Psychology, it seems like right now virtually every single one human activity and every view is being derived from evolution somehow and this makes the theory too big and too stretched in every direction, so that sooner or later it encounters significant exceptions that it ( in my view ) doesn't know how to refute, so just ignores them.

Big props for the elucidation. Thanks much.
And, hmmm, I feel a bit out of the loop cause Im one of those who is really impressed with the way evolutionary psychology explicates life phenoms.
And, I find myself using evolution to explain any biologically based question my better half's son has:
Even questions that are much more cultural than scientific in essence.

Cheers and enjoy the weekend.