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[HenryHH]

As many of you may know, I am/was considering the purchase of a pramiracetam supplement. However, ever since I discovered Bulk Nutrition, I considered that it might be wise to spend less money and purchase aniracetam or oxiracetam instead. Which supplement do most people derive the most benefit from? I'm chiefly interested in enhancing my memory, ability to concentrate, and mathematic reasoning skills (I'm taking a challenging physics course...and I'm NOT a "math person!").

Opinions would be appreciated...

Edited by HenryHH, 28 January 2009 - 12:48 AM.

[demitriden]

You're stuck with experimenting with oxir. Neither pram or anir is in stock at BN.

[Guacamolium]

Oxiracetam is by far my favorite of the lot. Haven't tried phenylpiracetam and I don't really care to because of the severe receptor down-regulation.

Oxiracetam is more "speedy" but in a non-nervous sort of way for me. I love it.

Aniracetam has sporadic effects with me; however, on the times when it does seem to work with alpha-GPC, it really has me focused and relaxed - sort of along the lines of bacopa. It clouds me other times.

Pramiracetam strangely only works well with me at 800mg dosing. 400mg seems to either cloud my thoughts or do nothing at all. 1200mg severely clouds me and bulldozes over all other cognitive enhancers that I happen to take with it - including 100mg of modafinil. Damn bell curve...

As for evidence searching through this forum of subjective effects - results vary widely with the racetams.

[HenryHH]

I wouldn't mind ordering some oxiracetam. Do you know of any online vendors that accept PayPal as a form of payment? Bulk Nutrition doesn't, it seems...

[navier]

I have a question about aniracetam. Is there still a benefit if it's taken sporadically, i.e. just prior to a study session 2-3 times a week?

[nazcalito]

Oxiracetam is by far my favorite of the lot. .

Oxiracetam is more "speedy" but in a non-nervous sort of way for me. I love it.

I agree. Aniracetam just made me tired and it tastes nasty, as opposed to centrophenoxine, whitch tastes nasty but in an exciting sort of way. Oxiracetam is like slightly druggie tasting sugar -- you can dissolve in a cup of coffee or Jamba Juice and not ruin the taste. Mix it with Alpha-GPC , which also doesn't have a bad taste.

I tried pramiracetam once a long time ago and don't remember much about it. I suspect it is like aniracetam.

[GoodFellas]

I wouldn't mind ordering some oxiracetam. Do you know of any online vendors that accept PayPal as a form of payment? Bulk Nutrition doesn't, it seems...

Looking for the same thing..

[Mike M]

www.smartpowders.com, I know they'll take it

[zm3thod]

Does anyone else have anything to add? This is the exact info I'm looking for too, and it is pretty hard to find

[golden1]

Rated by personal experience(all taken with multivitamin and choline):

1. Aniracetam
I think it makes most people foggy headed the first couple uses, that is what happened to me as well, but now it does quite the opposite.
It adds the most focus for me while also greatly lowering anxiety and improving my mood. Enhances vision the most(crispness, greater perception of 3D space, color vividness).

2. Piracetam
I started out with piracetam and still take it sometimes with aniracetam. Best at enhancing creativity, by far. Positive effect on mood as well.

3. Oxiracetam
Definitely has positive effects on cognition, but leaves my head feeling tired and drained halfway through the day. It also
sometimes seems to make me slightly adhedonic (unable to experience pleasure, like a weak depression). Enhances music the most(treble is very enjoyable, seems to increase the perceived volume of the music)

[PiTou]

Sorry for bad english

I have tried all the racetams and still use them on a daily basis. I found each of them different from the others and each of them has strong point when compared. I use piracetam, aniracetam and oxiracetam on a daily basis and I'm very happy with the results. It's increasing concentration, elevate mood and motivation as well as creativity. Color, sound and space perception are also elevated. Pramiracetam (my favorite) worked well but too expensive for daily intake, giving that for me at least 1200mg is necessary to work. Did not tried phenylpiracetam. I use choline bitartrate along with racetams because did not get more results from AlphaGPC.

[therealslimshady]

Rated by personal experience(all taken with multivitamin and choline):

1. Aniracetam
I think it makes most people foggy headed the first couple uses, that is what happened to me as well, but now it does quite the opposite.
It adds the most focus for me while also greatly lowering anxiety and improving my mood. Enhances vision the most(crispness, greater perception of 3D space, color vividness).

2. Piracetam
I started out with piracetam and still take it sometimes with aniracetam. Best at enhancing creativity, by far. Positive effect on mood as well.

3. Oxiracetam
Definitely has positive effects on cognition, but leaves my head feeling tired and drained halfway through the day. It also
sometimes seems to make me slightly adhedonic (unable to experience pleasure, like a weak depression). Enhances music the most(treble is very enjoyable, seems to increase the perceived volume of the music)

Yes I would definitey second golden1. Been taking Piracetam for 2 weeks now, and I feel clear, positive and a general good mood whenever I'm on Piracetam. And by the way, I also notice I'm more fluent than usual with piracetam.

[425runner]

I take Piracetam daily 1600-3200 mg but when I have an interview coming up or many demanding projects going on, or need to be alert on less sleep I switch to Pramiracetam. Prami is more intense, it's really different experience than Piracetam which is more mellow and generally keeps me in a good mood.

Tried Aniracetam but it made me very sleepy....also, I take Alpha GPC and other vitamins daily, inlcuding Sibuthiamine and 1,3 dimethylalanine

Would love to try Oxiracetam someday

[RichLonging]

Pram - For myself, I'm not that impressed with Pram, especially considering its price. I don't go with the hype, my experience is that it is over-rated. Howbeit, I have had a few very productive instances with it. I'm not saying this would be for everyone, but just how it works with me, as we can see by reading these posts there are significant variables between individuals and 'rams.

Oxiracetam – Except for the price, I'm not disappointed with it, provided I take a healthy amount, like around 800 mg, and especially if I supplement it with about a teaspoon of Piracetam, (very good) though I find it good on its own as well.

Piracetam - I'm not disappointed with Piracetam either, but I tend to put a good size teaspoon into a cup of water, which btw is very convenient in preference to capsules.

All in good taste - Just a bit of Stevia, add a little squeeze of lemon, and it really does not taste bad to me at all - you will never be able to say that with Pram though :o), that's why I'm not allergic to capping when necessary. But who would take Pram for taste?? Respectfully, it's not like it is Taster's Choice coffee, or a wine-tasting thing. When I do cap something, I often just cap on the go, a few here a few there, no big production.

Comparative conclusions from my experience - For the price, my thought is one cannot go wrong with Piracetam, though they may have to build up to it the first few days, even when you take much more you are still paying MUCH less. As for Nefiracetam - not nearly as available, and ditto for Phenylpiracetam. I will say one more thing, for me.

Mental / Physical ratio - Piracetam seems to come with bigger horns – in other words, more extrovert and physical feel than the other 'rams to me, with the obvious exception of Phenylpiracetam. Okay, I've said more than enough for this post, except that I personally much prefer supplementing with DMAE than Alpha GPC or Citicholine, also along that line – you may want to try Schizandra herb sometime.

[thomasthomas]

Hi all! I'm new here. I've recently started experimenting with nootropics since taking on a demanding job.

I'll jump right in and share my experiences with the *racetams, as they might be useful to a noobie.

I seem to have all the stereotypical responses that people seem to have when taking them.

First I took Aniracetam. I got an immediate effect. I took 3200mg daily at first then downshifted to 1800mg.
I downshifted because the effect was too strong. I *loved* the feeling it gave me. I pretty much felt in spades
what people talk about when they say that Aniracetam is an anxiolytic and mood enhancer. I was feeling great!
Not only that, I was socially confident, and massively verbally fluent. I could talk eloquently and say just the
right things with ease. As someone who has been shy for most of their life, this was quite an amazing experience
for me.

Unfortunately, this came at a price: brain fog. Whilst I seemed to get all the 'right-brained' benefits like verbal
fluency, creativity, holistic thinking, etc. I lost out on the 'left-brained' thinking. I couldn't really focus on anything
and I had to re-read over and over papers in order for them to sink in.

It was a tremendous shame, because I really enjoyed being on it, but for my job, I just couldn't function
whilst on it. I imagine it would be great for someone who had to spend their day talking, negotiating, directing,
that sort of thing...

Since stopping the Aniracetam, I've only recently started with the Piracetam. I initally took 4x800 = 3200mg daily.
The first day or two I just felt extremely tired. The next day I just felt anxious and depressed.

I was ready to give up, but decided to give it another go at a lower dosage, as I heard that some people have
had good successes at a lower dose, despite recommendations to consume huge amounts...

So now I'm on 2x800mg per day and I'm loving it so far! I've noticed an immediate effect; I am better able
to concentrate and focus, and I seem to have more mental energy to do things. I think I'm also in a slightly
better mood and more talkative.

I hope to continue at this dose and see how things work out.

My only problem right now is working out the correct dosage of Alpha-GPC, as I'm not sure if I'm getting
too much or too little Choline. I take 250mg of Choline Citrate in the morning, and then 300mg of Alpha-GPC
a bit later in the morning and afternoon when I take the Piracetam pill.

I get muscle aches and neck stiffness as well as headaches. I've read that headaches are caused by too
little Choline, and aches and stifness by too much. So I'm going to have to experiment to find the
optimal dose. I think I'll stop the Choline Citrate in the morning and see how I get on.

In any case, any suggestions would be welcome. I'm also taking a multi-vitamin and about 4g of Fish Oil
per day.

Thanks a lot everyone. It's very interesting reading this forum.

[medievil]

Someday ppl here realise that things work better individual for differend people instead of thinking there's a best one of shit.

[panhedonic]

Someday ppl here realise that things work better individual for differend people instead of thinking there's a best one of shit.

Medievil, does that mean we should stop sharing our subjective experiences? Interesting proposition.

[Erasmus]

I am currently using 1600g Oxiracetam (800mg morning/ 800mg afternoon), 1g Aniracetam (500mg morning/ 500mg afternoon, 1500mg Gaba (3 doses of 500), 750 mg Chorline (3 doses and 750mg Inositol. The stack does what it says on the tin but i do find i am fairly moody in the evening. Could this be a form of comedown? Am I taking to much of anything? I have been on this stack for 2 weeks but have taken Oxiracetam for 6 weeks.

[thomasthomas]

Could be that your *racetams are using up all your choline. Not having enough choline can
put you in a bad mood, I think.

Maybe try supplementing with 1 or 2 doses of Alpha-GPC in the afternoon?

[Timothy]

n/a

Edited by Timothy, 15 July 2012 - 01:05 PM.

[Erasmus]

Thanks for the suggestion. I will give that a go

[sparkk51]

I've searched around the web but cant find out if oxiracetam stimulates the corpus callosum like piracetam does. I don't want to be wasting my time skimping out on piracetam. Anyone know?

[optic]

I've searched around the web but cant find out if oxiracetam stimulates the corpus callosum like piracetam does. I don't want to be wasting my time skimping out on piracetam. Anyone know?

I have heard that Oxi is better than Piracetam when it comes to cognition, but I am not sure if it is due to the fact that is about 5x stronger than Piracetam.

About 6 weeks ago I started with Piracetam, about 2x800mg doses per day. I could not notice any effects and so I started Aniracetam, 2x750mg doses per day. Effects were immediate, but it did not last long during the day as Aniracetam has shorter half-life. Currently I am taking both Aniracetam 2x750mg + 800mg Piracetam in 3 dosages as Piracetam is water soluble and Aniracetam fat soluble, eg. Morning 750mg Aniracetam with breakfast, 800mg Piracetam 1-2 hours before lunch and 750mg Aniracetam with lunch.

I recently ordered some Pramiracetam as I have read that it has better half-life and is much stronger (and more expensive also). Possibly I will order some Oxi to satisfy my personal curiosity.

Btw guys, I wonder if any of you know how often should we cycle racetams? I have read here about the unpleasant rebound effects, with the conclusion that you should never go cold turkey but taper down the dosage before stopping.

[mrhuangsta]

My experience:

Piracetam - Did about 1 week of attack dosing with 4.8g. No effect.

Oxiracetam- Took 1.5g dose on several different occasions, no effect.

Pramiracetam - Took 750mg yesterday for the first time, no effect.

Aniracetam - Just took 750mg with eggs and fishoil, no effect. Will try to dose again later on the day.

I'm really curious to why I'm not responding to the racetams.

[Happypills]

Question: the racetams allegedly stimulate/develop Corpus Callosum. Corpus Callosum and, therefore, inter-hemisphere communication are known to be more developed in women than in men. Does this mean that by taking racetams a man would be turning his brain into a female brain? Could this potentially affect sexual behavior?

[masterofwin]

I had an easier time empathizing with women on piracetam when I had the dosage in a sweet spot, but I don't know if it's unique to women and I haven't tried this many times to be more sure of it.

Was definitely an interesting and unique experience though.

In contrast to what most people say, my favorite atm by far is piracetam. Maybe it's because i'm not dosing Noopept or pramiracetam which i have tried also correctly.

[Renegade]

I've searched around the web but cant find out if oxiracetam stimulates the corpus callosum like piracetam does. I don't want to be wasting my time skimping out on piracetam. Anyone know?

I would like to know this too....

This post made me wonder about the effect meditation has on the corpus callosum, as it is acknowledged that meditation encourages increased communication between brain hemispheres http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/22374478 Mediation is really the daddy of cognitive enhancement. Imagine if it came in pill form. It would be classed as the ULTIMATE nootropic! Unfortunately, it takes work!!!! Similar principle applies for exercise....