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cAMP shuts down the prefrontal cortex


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#1 bgwithadd

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Posted 03 February 2009 - 11:11 PM


I was researching into cAMP due to taking forskolin lately and was surprised to see that high levels of cAMP shut down the prefrontal cortex. It seems that some or even all of the effect of norepinephrine and dopamine are due to their effect on cAMP.

It seems that NE attaches to the HCN via the alpha channel receptors and it signals the brain cells not to produce cAMP in the brain. DA modulates the sensitivity to cAMP which can indirectly cause more or less production of it.

It seems that the drug guanfacine, long used to treat ADD, works by mimicking what norepinephrine does to the prefrontal cortex. This opens up the cells and allows them to process information.

High levels of stress also build up cAMP in the brain so it's crucial to be as stress free as possible (most every ADDer had tons of stress).

So, guanfacine looks to be an excellent mental enhancer, especially if you have high blood pressure and lots of stress or if you use stimulants like adderall ritalin etc. which raise the blood pressure and (in some people) cause anxiety. Of course the bad side is that it can kill you, so it's very recommended to go to a dr at some point if you take this or at the least do extensive research until you're sure you know what the danger signs are. Also, you need to take it regularly or you are bound to give yourself problems. There's a long acting version in the works, but it will be expensive. The current version needs to be taken several times a day and lasts maybe 4-8 hours.

I've always thought that raw dopamine didn't make any sense at all as the mechanism for ADD symptom relief. It's actually super easy to up dopamine without adderall but it seems to give me only limited relief. Wellbutrin for example is a strong DA reuptake inhibitor and only works on NE half so much.

This is also a big find because it is the first time (according to another article) that they have determined the actual mechanism of how a drug works in the brain on a finer level than simply stimulating various receptor sites and seeing what happens.


(if you do a google search, a ton of similar stories come up)
http://www.bio-medic...tworks-20105-1/

#2 Guacamolium

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Posted 04 February 2009 - 01:38 AM

Nice find. So you think pairing it with forskolin would be a nice duo? Where do you find it cheap?

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#3 bgwithadd

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Posted 04 February 2009 - 07:39 AM

I'm not sure if forskolin crosses the BBB, but for now I am not going to use it. Raising cAMP in the body is (mostly) good so long as you don't overdo it, but apparently in the brain it seems to cause problems. It could well be that elevated prefrontal cortex cAMP is the culprit in cognitive impairment in bipolar, schizo, and a bunch of other diseases aside from ADD.

#4 bgwithadd

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Posted 04 February 2009 - 09:10 AM

If anyone comes across a guanfacine supplier that doesn't require prescription let me know. I don't have a dr's appt scheduled for several months and don't want to wait to try it out.

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Posted 04 February 2009 - 11:05 AM

http://www.herbalpal...diola_Root.html

Rhodiola Root is considered a heart healthy herb that may protect against heart ailments. It appears to decrease the amount of adrenalin and cortisol released during stress and defends the heart against "adrenalin burn." It is believed to lower serum fats and cholesterol, while increasing the resistance of blood vessels to cholesterol plaques, thus helping to increase blood circulation and reducing the risk of arteriosclerosis, strokes and heart attacks. In clinical tests, Rhodiola Root was shown to reduce and/or prevent stress-induced cardiac damage, decrease myocardial catecholamines and cyclic adenosine monophosphate levels and activated receptors in the heart muscle, preventing arrhythmias.

God, I hated the effects of Rhodiola, but if I wonder how I would respond to it now? It's been years since I took it but the crash was just unbearable.

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Posted 20 February 2009 - 08:18 PM

If anyone comes across a guanfacine supplier that doesn't require prescription let me know. I don't have a dr's appt scheduled for several months and don't want to wait to try it out.


ditto, this has been a hard drug to find.

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#7 bgwithadd

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Posted 20 February 2009 - 08:49 PM

Guanfacine seems to give me anxiety, which is a rare side effect from too low of blood pressure. I think it does help with concentration, though,a nd does lower blood pressure (apparently too low with me).




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