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[matter_of_time]

I always injected the CRB before a workout in my gluts, a few squats pumps the blood through your muscles. On resting days I used a massage machine to increase the bloodflow through the muscle after the injection. This way CRB works twice as good.

I dont know which is better, before or after the exercising

[AldousSnow]

Hmmm, thanks for the tip I will have to try a massage machine, I hope it doesn't hurt too much as the injection spot is usually a bit sore after.

Today I took 5ml CRB one hour after taking 3 grams of ALCAR, as ALCAR is said to increase the effects of NGF by 100 times.

Can anyone comment on the effectiveness of ear lobe injections and technique?

[Ichoose2live]

Hmmm, thanks for the tip I will have to try a massage machine, I hope it doesn't hurt too much as the injection spot is usually a bit sore after.

Today I took 5ml CRB one hour after taking 3 grams of ALCAR, as ALCAR is said to increase the effects of NGF by 100 times.

Can anyone comment on the effectiveness of ear lobe injections and technique?

I suggest that you add ALA because you are near the level (more than 4g) of oxidative damage caused by ALCAR.

Edited by Ichoose2live, 08 March 2011 - 01:45 AM.

[AldousSnow]

Hmmm, thanks for the tip I will have to try a massage machine, I hope it doesn't hurt too much as the injection spot is usually a bit sore after.

Today I took 5ml CRB one hour after taking 3 grams of ALCAR, as ALCAR is said to increase the effects of NGF by 100 times.

Can anyone comment on the effectiveness of ear lobe injections and technique?

I suggest that you add ALA because you are near the level (more than 4g) of oxidative damage caused by ALCAR.

Thanks! I popped 600mg of ALA, oxidation won't have a chance!

I just injected 5ml of CRB into my right thigh, massaged the area and hot damn I feel great! I feel so fucking good right now.

I'm going to turn on Brainworkshop and try to bump my dual 4 back score from ~ 50-60% to 80%.

Also, every night I watch jeopardy and keep score with a Ruby on Rails app I created. I track how many I get right in single jeopardy, double jeopardy and whether or not I get final jeopardy right.

Before CRB treatment I was averaging about 25 correct per game. Now I am almost done with my second course of CRB and am averaging about 33 right per game.

I have a lot of knowledge in my head, many of the questions I get right on jeopardy are through deduction, elimination and educated guessing.

CRB has definitely helped me eliminate possible answers quicker, and make the associations needed to get more answers right.

This is not a subtle effect.

CRB, meditation and dual n back really work.

I don't know if everyone would have the same results, I was born gifted and suffered some brain damage along the way, and CRB has been the best therapy I have found.

I want to thank RussianBear and everyone else who gave their reports on CRB. Thank you for all of your research, it made me feel comfortable injecting pig brain soup into my thighs.

My life has changed, I feel like I have my brain back now. Thank you imminst!

[Logan]

Hmmm, thanks for the tip I will have to try a massage machine, I hope it doesn't hurt too much as the injection spot is usually a bit sore after.

Today I took 5ml CRB one hour after taking 3 grams of ALCAR, as ALCAR is said to increase the effects of NGF by 100 times.

Can anyone comment on the effectiveness of ear lobe injections and technique?

I suggest that you add ALA because you are near the level (more than 4g) of oxidative damage caused by ALCAR.

Thanks! I popped 600mg of ALA, oxidation won't have a chance!

I just injected 5ml of CRB into my right thigh, massaged the area and hot damn I feel great! I feel so fucking good right now.

I'm going to turn on Brainworkshop and try to bump my dual 4 back score from ~ 50-60% to 80%.

Also, every night I watch jeopardy and keep score with a Ruby on Rails app I created. I track how many I get right in single jeopardy, double jeopardy and whether or not I get final jeopardy right.

Before CRB treatment I was averaging about 25 correct per game. Now I am almost done with my second course of CRB and am averaging about 33 right per game.

I have a lot of knowledge in my head, many of the questions I get right on jeopardy are through deduction, elimination and educated guessing.

CRB has definitely helped me eliminate possible answers quicker, and make the associations needed to get more answers right.

This is not a subtle effect.

CRB, meditation and dual n back really work.

I don't know if everyone would have the same results, I was born gifted and suffered some brain damage along the way, and CRB has been the best therapy I have found.

I want to thank RussianBear and everyone else who gave their reports on CRB. Thank you for all of your research, it made me feel comfortable injecting pig brain soup into my thighs.

My life has changed, I feel like I have my brain back now. Thank you imminst!

I can't help but think you almost sound hypomanic. Maybe it's just that you feel so relieved and have not felt good for so long. This is enough to elicit a manic response in most people.

[Ichoose2live]

Hmmm, thanks for the tip I will have to try a massage machine, I hope it doesn't hurt too much as the injection spot is usually a bit sore after.

Today I took 5ml CRB one hour after taking 3 grams of ALCAR, as ALCAR is said to increase the effects of NGF by 100 times.

Can anyone comment on the effectiveness of ear lobe injections and technique?

I suggest that you add ALA because you are near the level (more than 4g) of oxidative damage caused by ALCAR.

Thanks! I popped 600mg of ALA, oxidation won't have a chance!

I just injected 5ml of CRB into my right thigh, massaged the area and hot damn I feel great! I feel so fucking good right now.

I'm going to turn on Brainworkshop and try to bump my dual 4 back score from ~ 50-60% to 80%.

Also, every night I watch jeopardy and keep score with a Ruby on Rails app I created. I track how many I get right in single jeopardy, double jeopardy and whether or not I get final jeopardy right.

Before CRB treatment I was averaging about 25 correct per game. Now I am almost done with my second course of CRB and am averaging about 33 right per game.

I have a lot of knowledge in my head, many of the questions I get right on jeopardy are through deduction, elimination and educated guessing.

CRB has definitely helped me eliminate possible answers quicker, and make the associations needed to get more answers right.

This is not a subtle effect.

CRB, meditation and dual n back really work.

I don't know if everyone would have the same results, I was born gifted and suffered some brain damage along the way, and CRB has been the best therapy I have found.

I want to thank RussianBear and everyone else who gave their reports on CRB. Thank you for all of your research, it made me feel comfortable injecting pig brain soup into my thighs.

My life has changed, I feel like I have my brain back now. Thank you imminst!

Ahah, great to here this!!
Yes, Dual n-back + Nootropics = Gifted IQ + Euphoria all days!

[Solarclimax]

I intend to try the rest of my cerebrolysin in the next few months. (sorry morgan)
I went to so much trouble to overcome my fear of needles, it would feel like such a waste not to.
I'm saving it for a time of high stress: I cope terribly under stress.

On another note the ADHD medication has helped me out of depression (removing the need for an SSRI) and has enabled me to quit smoking (10 a day, it has been a week- so early days yet.) If you suspect you might have ADHD, see a specialist, if you don't- don't use my account as a reason to take this medication- it won't affect you the same way.

Do you have proof of such a thing as ADHD ?

[AldousSnow]

I can't help but think you almost sound hypomanic. Maybe it's just that you feel so relieved and have not felt good for so long. This is enough to elicit a manic response in most people.

I am definitely not hypomanic, unless one defines hypomanic as upbeat and motivated. The only nootropic that may have induced a state similar to hypomania for me was aniracetam. But I am not bipolar and suspect that what racetams can do is not true hypomania.

But CRB can definitely make one feel good for a bit. If it is euphoria, it is very mild and not in anyway like an intoxicant.

It is more like a completely natural feeling anti depressant.

We know that neurogenesis is an important part of anti depressant action. I believe in the future pure NGF drugs will become a key part of depression therapy.

I am advocating a sensible regimem: Exercise, meditation, brain training + nootropics.

Edited by chrono, 13 April 2011 - 08:52 PM.
trimmed quote

[Ark]

any pricewatch?

[bowling]

Posted 21 October 2010 - 04:11 AM

Animal, on 21 October 2010 - 01:49 AM, said:

Do you have any references for the potential development of an immune reaction to the Cerebrolysin peptides? I thought antigens were specifically denatured as part of the processing method for the final product? They don't simply take porcine protein directly, dump it in some saline, and call that Cerebrolysin. If what you claim is true, and there is the potential for development of a progressive atrophic neurological disorder from taking Cerebrolysin then anyone who injects it is essentially risking their life.

First, let me say that it's definitely not a claim, but a very hypothetical possibility. I was referring to the generation of endogenous antibodies, not antigens included in CRB itself. If you haven't read my structure posts (#36 and #33), the primary action of CRB is probably mediated through CNTF fragments.

This is from Xencor application US20050064555:


Quote

Immunogenicity may limit the efficacy and safety of a protein therapeutic in multiple ways. Efficacy can be reduced directly by the formation of neutralizing antibodies. Efficacy can also be reduced indirectly, as binding to either neutralizing or non-neutralizing antibodies typically leads to rapid clearance from serum. Severe side effects and even death can occur when an immune reaction is raised. One special class of side effects results when neutralizing antibodies cross-react with an endogenous protein and block its function.

Ciliary neurotrophic factor (CNTF), which was first identified as a neuroprotective cytokine, has attracted significant attention for its ability to promote weight loss. CNTF may act by leptin-like or non-leptin pathways.

However, recent clinical trials of CNTF demonstrated that a large fraction of patients raise neutralizing antibodies against CNTF. These neutralizing antibodies likely decrease the efficacy of the drug. More seriously, neutralizing antibodies could potentially interfere with the neuroprotective functions of endogenous CNTF.
...
By “reduced immunogenicity” and grammatical equivalents herein is meant a decreased ability to activate the immune system, when compared to the wild type protein. For example, a CNTF variant protein can be said to have “reduced immunogenicity” if it elicits neutralizing or non-neutralizing antibodies in lower titer or in fewer patients than wild type CNTF. In a preferred embodiment, the probability of raising neutralizing antibodies is decreased by at least 5%, with at least 50% or 90% decreases being especially preferred. So, if a wild type produces an immune response in 10% of patients, a variant with reduced immunogenicity would produce an immune response in not more than 9.5% of patients, with less than 5% or less than 1% being especially preferred.


This last paragraph seems to suggest that it is indeed possible for humans to generate antibodies to exogenously administered CNTF (also suggested by WO2002070698), though I haven't been able to find any papers touching on this either way.

This was borne out to some extent by the drug Axokine, a 15-mer CNTF fragment with 2 substitutions. From wikipedia: "According to a March 31, 2003 Regeneron press release, a major problem with the treatment was that in nearly 70% of the subjects tested, antibodies against Axokine were produced after approximately three months of treatment." Even if antibodies didn't affect endogenous CNTF functions, they could very well limit the effectiveness of the drug, as occurred with most patients in the axokine trials.

Given the lack of testing of strong CNTF drugs in such applications, especially examining long-term consequences in the young, it seems to me that there's a risk of overextending the commonly-accepted notion of safety in much the same way many people do with piracetam. So moreso than the month-long administration (though that's fairly nonstandard as well), I was suggesting some degree of caution in recommending longer treatments. Prolonging treatment beyond a month is very uncommon, even in situations (severe AD) in which they would want to maximize efficacy, with comparably little concern for side effects. The product brochure arvcondor scanned for the newest Everpharm product suggests that up to 50mL may be administered in severe cases, but suggests a total of 10-20 days in a treatment cycle. As evidenced by several papers posted in this thread, one cycle of normal dosing can exert an effect several months after cessation. And perhaps most compelling of all, I can't believe that Ebewe would ever have recommended a standard treatment schedule limited to only 80 days/year, unless they had data suggesting it was desirable for safety or continued efficacy.

Was the EOD recommendation regarding prolonged treatment, or simply an alternate dosing schedule? What product version are you looking at? Also, I'm wondering about your assertion that tolerance isn't a factor; is this based on the reports in this thread, or a specific idea of how these trophic factors and their receptors react to superphysiological levels? Because that's one of my outstanding questions concerning neurogenesis in general, and long term use of NGF-inducers like lion's mane
You know Cerebrolysin the production process it?http://www.stowarzyszenie-razem.org/pliki/cerebrolysin/MMM%20The%20New%20approach.ppt
These may be useful to you.Do you think Cerebrolysin amino acids added, if not, how enzyme technology can achieve that effect?
So far, no one knows what they are extracted and then to hydrolysis of the protein

[bowling]

Posted 21 October 2010 - 04:11 AM

Animal, on 21 October 2010 - 01:49 AM, said:

Do you have any references for the potential development of an immune reaction to the Cerebrolysin peptides? I thought antigens were specifically denatured as part of the processing method for the final product? They don't simply take porcine protein directly, dump it in some saline, and call that Cerebrolysin. If what you claim is true, and there is the potential for development of a progressive atrophic neurological disorder from taking Cerebrolysin then anyone who injects it is essentially risking their life.

First, let me say that it's definitely not a claim, but a very hypothetical possibility. I was referring to the generation of endogenous antibodies, not antigens included in CRB itself. If you haven't read my structure posts (#36 and #33), the primary action of CRB is probably mediated through CNTF fragments.

This is from Xencor application US20050064555:


Quote

Immunogenicity may limit the efficacy and safety of a protein therapeutic in multiple ways. Efficacy can be reduced directly by the formation of neutralizing antibodies. Efficacy can also be reduced indirectly, as binding to either neutralizing or non-neutralizing antibodies typically leads to rapid clearance from serum. Severe side effects and even death can occur when an immune reaction is raised. One special class of side effects results when neutralizing antibodies cross-react with an endogenous protein and block its function.

Ciliary neurotrophic factor (CNTF), which was first identified as a neuroprotective cytokine, has attracted significant attention for its ability to promote weight loss. CNTF may act by leptin-like or non-leptin pathways.

However, recent clinical trials of CNTF demonstrated that a large fraction of patients raise neutralizing antibodies against CNTF. These neutralizing antibodies likely decrease the efficacy of the drug. More seriously, neutralizing antibodies could potentially interfere with the neuroprotective functions of endogenous CNTF.
...
By “reduced immunogenicity” and grammatical equivalents herein is meant a decreased ability to activate the immune system, when compared to the wild type protein. For example, a CNTF variant protein can be said to have “reduced immunogenicity” if it elicits neutralizing or non-neutralizing antibodies in lower titer or in fewer patients than wild type CNTF. In a preferred embodiment, the probability of raising neutralizing antibodies is decreased by at least 5%, with at least 50% or 90% decreases being especially preferred. So, if a wild type produces an immune response in 10% of patients, a variant with reduced immunogenicity would produce an immune response in not more than 9.5% of patients, with less than 5% or less than 1% being especially preferred.


This last paragraph seems to suggest that it is indeed possible for humans to generate antibodies to exogenously administered CNTF (also suggested by WO2002070698), though I haven't been able to find any papers touching on this either way.

This was borne out to some extent by the drug Axokine, a 15-mer CNTF fragment with 2 substitutions. From wikipedia: "According to a March 31, 2003 Regeneron press release, a major problem with the treatment was that in nearly 70% of the subjects tested, antibodies against Axokine were produced after approximately three months of treatment." Even if antibodies didn't affect endogenous CNTF functions, they could very well limit the effectiveness of the drug, as occurred with most patients in the axokine trials.

Given the lack of testing of strong CNTF drugs in such applications, especially examining long-term consequences in the young, it seems to me that there's a risk of overextending the commonly-accepted notion of safety in much the same way many people do with piracetam. So moreso than the month-long administration (though that's fairly nonstandard as well), I was suggesting some degree of caution in recommending longer treatments. Prolonging treatment beyond a month is very uncommon, even in situations (severe AD) in which they would want to maximize efficacy, with comparably little concern for side effects. The product brochure arvcondor scanned for the newest Everpharm product suggests that up to 50mL may be administered in severe cases, but suggests a total of 10-20 days in a treatment cycle. As evidenced by several papers posted in this thread, one cycle of normal dosing can exert an effect several months after cessation. And perhaps most compelling of all, I can't believe that Ebewe would ever have recommended a standard treatment schedule limited to only 80 days/year, unless they had data suggesting it was desirable for safety or continued efficacy.

Was the EOD recommendation regarding prolonged treatment, or simply an alternate dosing schedule? What product version are you looking at? Also, I'm wondering about your assertion that tolerance isn't a factor; is this based on the reports in this thread, or a specific idea of how these trophic factors and their receptors react to superphysiological levels? Because that's one of my outstanding questions concerning neurogenesis in general, and long term use of NGF-inducers like lion's mane
You know Cerebrolysin the production process it?http://www.stowarzyszenie-razem.org/pliki/cerebrolysin/MMM%20The%20New%20approach.ppt
These may be useful to you.Do you think Cerebrolysin amino acids added, if not, how enzyme technology can achieve that effect?
So far, no one knows what they are extracted and then to hydrolysis of the protein

[sunshinefrost]

Not sure if someone posted this video yet, i have only read 11 pages of this topic so far but...

If pictures are worth 1000 words, this video is worth a lot concerning cerebrolysin... Have I
got some good news for you ! i think...




it's written in russian but when using babelfish translation you get: Increase in the cells under the effect of [Tserebrolizina].m1v

Nice !

Edited by sunshinefrost, 14 May 2011 - 05:27 AM.

[bdoris]

Can anyone confirm in which countries in Europe it may be purchased?

I do live in Belgium and according to my pharmacy, they cannot have it here. Though, one member here bought it in his local pharmacy in Netherlands. What about other countries?

Germany, perhaps? UK?

Ebewe.at seems currently down. I can't get more informations except from their Asian branche which is completely useless.

[Raptor87]

Found this study, don´t know if anyone put it up earlier...here it is!
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/12124658

[sunshinefrost]

Hmmm, thanks for the tip I will have to try a massage machine, I hope it doesn't hurt too much as the injection spot is usually a bit sore after.

Today I took 5ml CRB one hour after taking 3 grams of ALCAR, as ALCAR is said to increase the effects of NGF by 100 times.

Can anyone comment on the effectiveness of ear lobe injections and technique?

I suggest that you add ALA because you are near the level (more than 4g) of oxidative damage caused by ALCAR.

Thanks! I popped 600mg of ALA, oxidation won't have a chance!

I just injected 5ml of CRB into my right thigh, massaged the area and hot damn I feel great! I feel so fucking good right now.

I'm going to turn on Brainworkshop and try to bump my dual 4 back score from ~ 50-60% to 80%.

Also, every night I watch jeopardy and keep score with a Ruby on Rails app I created. I track how many I get right in single jeopardy, double jeopardy and whether or not I get final jeopardy right.

Before CRB treatment I was averaging about 25 correct per game. Now I am almost done with my second course of CRB and am averaging about 33 right per game.

I have a lot of knowledge in my head, many of the questions I get right on jeopardy are through deduction, elimination and educated guessing.

CRB has definitely helped me eliminate possible answers quicker, and make the associations needed to get more answers right.

This is not a subtle effect.

CRB, meditation and dual n back really work.

I don't know if everyone would have the same results, I was born gifted and suffered some brain damage along the way, and CRB has been the best therapy I have found.

I want to thank RussianBear and everyone else who gave their reports on CRB. Thank you for all of your research, it made me feel comfortable injecting pig brain soup into my thighs.

My life has changed, I feel like I have my brain back now. Thank you imminst!

Hey AldousSnow !

How have you been doing recently ? Do you still see some of the previous benefits of cere ? have you continued injecting ? I'm interested in the meditation combination with cerebrolysin... it seems to make poeple calmer, it must help with mindfulness and complete surrenderness to "what is" or living the present moment

In 1 year i have improved so many aspects of my life with meditation (golfing, memory, personal relationships, stress level... etc). I sens that I will be a huge responder as well when i try cerebrolysin.

[AldousSnow]

Hello sunshinefrost!

I am doing great, thanks for asking!

I have been very busy working on my new business, and I am about to move to a new city with my girl and the future looks very bright.

I am very much looking forward to my next rendez-vous with cerebrolysin. Cerebro is the kind of drug that I would like to hole up with in a lakeside cabin for a few weeks and write a novel on. I think I will do that this summer.

I think that I will do a cycle every three months for the next couple years or so. The original problem that I started nootropics for (tip-of-the-tongue too often) has been solved, but I see no reason not to continue.

It's been almost two months since I took any cerebro, but much of the improvement remains. On cerebro I averaged 33 right per jeopardy game. I now average 30 correct per game, which is a good improvement from my pre-cerebro average.

The days you use cerebro, you are totally on, but lasting positive changes are made. I hope that the effect is cumulative over a period of years. I will see.

Your jeopardy score can be improved by studying certain topics that come up often on the show. I have not done that so far. I find my jeopardy scores are pretty consistent and a good indicator of my cognitive health on any given day.

Being stressed or worried will cost me 5-10 correct answers, as will sleep deprivation.

I have about 23 kilos of piracetam from Smart Powders left. They are sealed in 3 kilo jugs that I bought when the FDA ban was announced last summer. If anyone wants any, I've got the hookup.

It would be a win-win, you would get cheap bulk piracetam, and I would use the money to buy my next round of cerebrolysin

[sunshinefrost]

Hello sunshinefrost!

I am doing great, thanks for asking!

I have been very busy working on my new business, and I am about to move to a new city with my girl and the future looks very bright.

I am very much looking forward to my next rendez-vous with cerebrolysin. Cerebro is the kind of drug that I would like to hole up with in a lakeside cabin for a few weeks and write a novel on. I think I will do that this summer.

I think that I will do a cycle every three months for the next couple years or so. The original problem that I started nootropics for (tip-of-the-tongue too often) has been solved, but I see no reason not to continue.

It's been almost two months since I took any cerebro, but much of the improvement remains. On cerebro I averaged 33 right per jeopardy game. I now average 30 correct per game, which is a good improvement from my pre-cerebro average.

The days you use cerebro, you are totally on, but lasting positive changes are made. I hope that the effect is cumulative over a period of years. I will see.

Your jeopardy score can be improved by studying certain topics that come up often on the show. I have not done that so far. I find my jeopardy scores are pretty consistent and a good indicator of my cognitive health on any given day.

Being stressed or worried will cost me 5-10 correct answers, as will sleep deprivation.

I have about 23 kilos of piracetam from Smart Powders left. They are sealed in 3 kilo jugs that I bought when the FDA ban was announced last summer. If anyone wants any, I've got the hookup.

It would be a win-win, you would get cheap bulk piracetam, and I would use the money to buy my next round of cerebrolysin

Very cool to know that the effects seem to last in a longterm way ! I guess it's up to the user to keep working his upgraded mind (use it or loose it ) if he wants to keep it functional and "unpruned". It may be cumulative if you find a way to "feed" or activate the new neuronal connections. Like a muscle, if you don't train it it will shrink...

You previously mentionned that you had improved capacity of discerning the correct answer (in jeopardy)by deduction or common sens. It seems to me that cere allows you to observe better or capture stimulis that you wouldn't normaly. Can you comment on this; do you think that it's your calmness that helps you or are you just able to analyse subtle data that you use to disregard ?

Funny how you want to write a book on cere, reminds me of a familiar scene in "limitless"

For Pira i have enough for the time being, i use it only on days i feel i need to be sharper. By the way anybody knows if combining pira with cere would be a good idea ? I would love an augmented corpus calloseum !

[AldousSnow]

Sunshine,

I would definitely NOT recommend combining piracetam with cerebrolysin. I tried this and it was a very unpleasant experience. I don't remember how much pira I took, but the stimulation was far too strong and very nasty.

I did take tianeptine with cerebrolysin and that was very pleasant.

I think the calmness of cerebro, and the joy of it definitely helps with all cognitive tasks. In regards to my jeopardy performance, I think the main benefit was in improved recall ability and speed.

People bitch about the educational system alot, but the truth is they gave us a lot of information, we just only remember a small percentage of it. With cerebrolysin, it's like you can just remember a bit more of those bold-font key terms from your 6th grade history book on medieval Europe.

I don't know how strong this effect will be on everyone, but I know that many years of high stress definitely degraded my memory, and cerebro has been the best remedy I have found for this so far.

Thinking about it now, I wish I had an ampoule!!!!

I haven't seen Limitless yet, but recently my friend said to me "what is the great benefit of intelligence? Most people get through their lives fine without much of it".

I showed him this: thinking it would be the nail in the coffin against his argument.

http://www.youtube.c...bed/aBOMSzhIfjk

But he didn't get it. He could not appreciate the sheer brilliance it takes to be able to use language that well, and why that would be such a valuable, and beautiful ability.

Edited by AldousSnow, 17 May 2011 - 07:04 PM.

[sunshinefrost]

Thanks for the report Aldousnow !

Finally ! i received 10 vials of cerebrolysin from antyaging systems and am expecting 10 more from drugspro. It took 15 days for antiaging to deliver to canada (I was beginning to think it would never get here) Both companies have a pretty good customer service and both replied to my concerns.

My goal for the 1st cycle is to note observations on the desired following improvements:

- better memory (Right now I feel slightly below average, maybe beacause of stress)
- remove "tip of the tong" issues (happening more and more but normal i guess)
- Augmenting speed of thought (I hate having to think for too long when being asked a spontaneous question)
- clarity of thought
- general well being
- verbal skills (good choice of wording ...dont judge me here cuz I speak mostly french )
- motivation
- social skills
- physical skills
- meditation and mindfulness skills
- comprehension
- intuition

let me know if you have other interesting aspects you would like me to keep in mind. I can comment on the short and long term benefits/side-effects

I took 5 ml today and definitly felt something. Even if this is placebo, I have clear thoughts and a some energy. it's too soon to comment on my improvements but 1 thing i can says is i felt compelled to clean up the whole place around here, but it just may be my present state.

I will take the 2nd vial tomorow am and update the forum.

Bonne Nuit !

Edited by sunshinefrost, 02 June 2011 - 05:53 AM.

[Bentonite]

Thanks for the report Aldousnow !

Finally ! i received 10 vials of cerebrolysin from antyaging systems and am expecting 10 more from drugspro. It took 15 days for antiaging to deliver to canada (I was beginning to think it would never get here) Both companies have a pretty good customer service and both replied to my concerns.

My goal for the 1st cycle is to note observations on the desired following improvements:

- better memory (Right now I feel slightly below average, maybe beacause of stress)
- remove "tip of the tong" issues (happening more and more but normal i guess)
- Augmenting speed of thought (I hate having to think for too long when being asked a spontaneous question)
- clarity of thought
- general well being
- verbal skills (good choice of wording ...dont judge me here cuz I speak mostly french )
- motivation
- social skills
- physical skills
- meditation and mindfulness skills
- comprehension
- intuition

let me know if you have other interesting aspects you would like me to keep in mind. I can comment on the short and long term benefits/side-effects

I took 5 ml today and definitly felt something. Even if this is placebo, I have clear thoughts and a some energy. it's too soon to comment on my improvements but 1 thing i can says is i felt compelled to clean up the whole place around here, but it just may be my present state.

I will take the 2nd vial tomorow am and update the forum.

Bonne Nuit !

Good. Keep us informed. I'm waiting for my cerebro too...

[AldousSnow]

I found that 5ml worked, but 10ml worked better, but I am 210 pounds. I also found massaging the thigh after injection seemed to help absorption quite a bit. Good luck!

[FDA Approved]

I live in the UK and I want to start myself on Cerebrolysin. I have read everything on the forum(and a lot online) about it and I guess the smartest choice for me will be to buy 1 pack of 5x5ml ampules and try if it will have an effect after 5 days. I've checked all the sources on the forum and I cannot find it cheaper than ~80$ or around £50. Firstly, are there any cheaper sources in the UK? And secondly I will be in Bulgaria for over a month and I will pas through Romania as well this summer, so maybe I can get it cheaper there. From what I can find online its around £20 for a 5x5ml ampules in Bulgaria, but it seems that you need a prescription. I cannot find the prices in Romania, though. Does anyone have any suggestions on what and where from to try to get it? I also have other friends and family traveling around Europe, so if there are known countries in which you can purchase CRB over the counter, please do share.

I first posted this post in the Retail section on 25/05/2011 and I am reposting it here, because I did not get a response.

[sunshinefrost]

FDA i didn't shop this for too long but that's what i paid. 1 box came from UK and the other from russia.

OK 2nd injection, and 3rd today... and nothing. The first reaction was definitely placebo. I'll keep you posted when i notice changes/improvements

[FDA Approved]

FDA i didn't shop this for too long but that's what i paid. 1 box came from UK and the other from russia.

OK 2nd injection, and 3rd today... and nothing. The first reaction was definitely placebo. I'll keep you posted when i notice changes/improvements

Thanks, I've been following your recent posts (as well as others who have posted in this thread. I actually have on my to-do list a note to contact you mid-june(if you hadnt posted updates by then) to ask you how has it affected you so far. Also I wanted to confirm if you are taking anything else with it (the consensus seems to be that it works best if you are not taking anything else with it)?
Good luck with it and hopefully you will be noticing improvements by the end of the first week.

[sunshinefrost]

4th injection done 1h ago.

I feel energized but i'm unsure if it's the cafeine. I'm clear, no anxiety... but that's it. I was expecting something more drastic but this is fine for now because i'm not looking for a buzz... From the posts i've read earlier there is a buildup aspect with Cerebro.

I am starting a day of work. I will update you on my productivity at the end of the day.

BTW, FDA, i didn't take any other noots with cerebro yet. I will only use Phosphatidylserine in case it helps with myelination(from cere)vitamine D and magnesium. Usually i take piracetam on a "need to" basis but i've been warned against it so i won't take it.


cheers !

[Bentonite]

4th injection done 1h ago.

I feel energized but i'm unsure if it's the cafeine. I'm clear, no anxiety... but that's it. I was expecting something more drastic but this is fine for now because i'm not looking for a buzz... From the posts i've read earlier there is a buildup aspect with Cerebro.

I am starting a day of work. I will update you on my productivity at the end of the day.

BTW, FDA, i didn't take any other noots with cerebro yet. I will only use Phosphatidylserine in case it helps with myelination(from cere)vitamine D and magnesium. Usually i take piracetam on a "need to" basis but i've been warned against it so i won't take it.


cheers !

You can try a 10 ml shoot. What's your weight?

[Bentonite]

Hello sunshinefrost!

I am doing great, thanks for asking!

I have been very busy working on my new business, and I am about to move to a new city with my girl and the future looks very bright.

I am very much looking forward to my next rendez-vous with cerebrolysin. Cerebro is the kind of drug that I would like to hole up with in a lakeside cabin for a few weeks and write a novel on. I think I will do that this summer.

I think that I will do a cycle every three months for the next couple years or so. The original problem that I started nootropics for (tip-of-the-tongue too often) has been solved, but I see no reason not to continue.

It's been almost two months since I took any cerebro, but much of the improvement remains. On cerebro I averaged 33 right per jeopardy game. I now average 30 correct per game, which is a good improvement from my pre-cerebro average.

The days you use cerebro, you are totally on, but lasting positive changes are made. I hope that the effect is cumulative over a period of years. I will see.

Your jeopardy score can be improved by studying certain topics that come up often on the show. I have not done that so far. I find my jeopardy scores are pretty consistent and a good indicator of my cognitive health on any given day.

Being stressed or worried will cost me 5-10 correct answers, as will sleep deprivation.

I have about 23 kilos of piracetam from Smart Powders left. They are sealed in 3 kilo jugs that I bought when the FDA ban was announced last summer. If anyone wants any, I've got the hookup.

It would be a win-win, you would get cheap bulk piracetam, and I would use the money to buy my next round of cerebrolysin

"Much of improvement remains"? Out of Jeopardy, can you elaborate this?

[sunshinefrost]

I weight 165 pounds.

Well it's the end of my workshift and I did not notice any improvements except cafeine from my extra large green tea of this morning. Not worried yet, the video above shows neural morph starting at day 4


talk to you tmrow

[sunshinefrost]

5th vial taken earlier today.

I'm still at work today and I'm now able to discern some accentuated concentration. I would compare the feeling to piracetam. I see a slight clarity improvement and speed of thought but I don't notice any verbal skills improvements like piracetam provides. I feel a bit agitated but, again, this may be caused by cafeine from green tea.

Some improvements from yesterday but not much. Neuroplasticity may be going on at this time so i try to stay sharp, concentrated and use my mind as much as I can.

I may try another 5 ml ampoule around 5pm.

[FDA Approved]

5th vial taken earlier today.

I'm still at work today and I'm now able to discern some accentuated concentration. I would compare the feeling to piracetam. I see a slight clarity improvement and speed of thought but I don't notice any verbal skills improvements like piracetam provides. I feel a bit agitated but, again, this may be caused by cafeine from green tea.

Some improvements from yesterday but not much. Neuroplasticity may be going on at this time so i try to stay sharp, concentrated and use my mind as much as I can.

I may try another 5 ml ampoule around 5pm.

In all fairness green tea barely has any caffeine (especially compared to a cup of coffee). Were you drinking green tea or anything with caffeine before. I personally wouldnt attribute anything to green tea. Dont quote me on this, but a lot of people (that I know of at least), including me dont feel any effects from green tea (or nothing immediately noticeable, i am not arguing over subtle or over-time positive effects) normally. In this situation if it was me I will contribute any effects either on CRB or on the effect of CRB+Green Tea. You probably know that, but I am just getting this out there and also dont get me wrong- I drink green tea often and I've even had some today.