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[Joe Black]

Actually that's where I'm getting it from too. I guess I was calculating the shipping price into it since I paid 210 for 2 boxes of 5 x 10ml. Actually on day 7 (yesterday) I started feeling really awesome. I'm quite certain I'm hitting IM spots, it just seems to have taken a while to acclimate in my system.

The social aspect is definitely there and lack of anxiety and depression. Not feeling quite as good today but my sleep schedule is really bad right now which likely has something to do with it.

Empathy and moral support to my friends seems to be much more fulfilling as well. I'll update more in a few hours hopefully, quite busy at the moment.

Interesting, I'm going to be finishing off my 1st box of course2 tomorrow and I definately felt it on day 3 this time. no doubt, day 4(even better). I honestly felt it on day 1 and 2, just nowhere near as powerful as now, or as long lasting, but I could feel that feeling, no doubt on that. This could be due to this being my second course.

I have a feeling that during the load phase, ie first box, that doing 10ml a day for the first 5 days would probably drop you straight into feeling it full force. It'd be interesting to experiment with this. All the benefits of a 4 day load period and from there you could take it at 5ml/day like originally planned. I wonder if after the initial load period that the 10ml a day is of any benefit vs 5ml. Also I've heard good things about 10ml one day on, then one day off, then repeat for the cycle.

Anyone out there with experience first-hand on any of these things, we'd love to hear from you. Getting the most from this expensive treatment would be fortunate for all, surely :D

[Joe Black]

Already got the cerebrolysin... but my syringes haven't arrived yet. All I have is 1ml insulin syringes that I've been using for sermorelin.

Is it ok to do 5 x 1ml IM injections per day? Or is this somehow a bad idea?

I wouldn't really reccomend this, but if you're going to do it, do it with a small gauge needle and aim for the same muscle groups you'd use for B12 injections. The smaller needle(although not reccomended) will reduce discomfort. Make sure you go for the more superficial muscles because insulin syringes do not have long needles on them usually, they're designed for mainly subq's

[IRAtional]

Already got the cerebrolysin... but my syringes haven't arrived yet. All I have is 1ml insulin syringes that I've been using for sermorelin.

Is it ok to do 5 x 1ml IM injections per day? Or is this somehow a bad idea?

I wouldn't really reccomend this, but if you're going to do it, do it with a small gauge needle and aim for the same muscle groups you'd use for B12 injections. The smaller needle(although not reccomended) will reduce discomfort. Make sure you go for the more superficial muscles because insulin syringes do not have long needles on them usually, they're designed for mainly subq's

Im agree insulin needles just too short

[manic_racetam]

Already got the cerebrolysin... but my syringes haven't arrived yet. All I have is 1ml insulin syringes that I've been using for sermorelin.

Is it ok to do 5 x 1ml IM injections per day? Or is this somehow a bad idea?

I wouldn't really reccomend this, but if you're going to do it, do it with a small gauge needle and aim for the same muscle groups you'd use for B12 injections. The smaller needle(although not reccomended) will reduce discomfort. Make sure you go for the more superficial muscles because insulin syringes do not have long needles on them usually, they're designed for mainly subq's

I should have mentioned that I only did this the first two days until acquiring some 5ml syringes with 25G x 1.5" needles. 5 injections a day was really excessive! And when I bumped it up to 10ml per day I was grateful to have the larger syringes.

Showed real promise this stuff, will definitely order more once I'm done with this sermorelin and melanotan II run. Now that I've sorted out the shipping price and product price I'll probably buy 6 boxes and do a full month long cycle. Should be in a month or so when I'm done with these other peptides.

[Joe Black]

Just for the record, I'm noticing a really nice synergy between my cerebrolysin injections, my new prescription to Nuvigil(Armodafinil), Aniracetam, & ORMEs (Orbitally Rearranged Monoatomic Element's).

I went easy at first, having a long history of using the previous stuff safely together, and wow, this is one great combination!

If you do Tai Chi/Qigong you might just open a whole new rabbit hole :D

[sunshinefrost]

Just for the record, I'm noticing a really nice synergy between my cerebrolysin injections, my new prescription to Nuvigil(Armodafinil), Aniracetam, & ORMEs (Orbitally Rearranged Monoatomic Element's).

I went easy at first, having a long history of using the previous stuff safely together, and wow, this is one great combination!

If you do Tai Chi/Qigong you might just open a whole new rabbit hole :D

Are you saying that you are getting greater results with qigong ? Like what ?

[protoject]

I'm wondering if anyone here notices lasting benefits from Cerebrolysin. I've read a few posts where a person says they only get the effect while they are actually on the 'drug'. But I am hoping that after a 4 week , daily dosing during the weekdays and taking off the weekends, at 5 or 10 mL per day, that you guys will see long-lasting benefits. In the rat studies the benefits were seen for 24 weeks afterwards, if I'm remembering correctly...

Edited by protoject, 03 July 2012 - 05:35 PM.

[BigGuy1980]

I started out at 5ml a day and now I just do 1ml a day.... I notice the same results... For me the effect is minimal... I dont really notice much, but because Im studying I will continue to use it. I tried as much as 10ml a day, and all I noticed was more agitation. I feel that 1ml/day is just as effective as 5ml/day plus the cost savings.

[Joe Black]

I started out at 5ml a day and now I just do 1ml a day.... I notice the same results... For me the effect is minimal... I dont really notice much, but because Im studying I will continue to use it. I tried as much as 10ml a day, and all I noticed was more agitation. I feel that 1ml/day is just as effective as 5ml/day plus the cost savings.

Please keep in mind that the saying YMMV in all cases.

In the interest of full disclosure, I only have taken 10ml a day 5 days a week, then wait 2 days. Then follow again for another 5 days, until I have don a month cycle @ 20amps. So all I can offer at this point is anecdotal evidence, besides the fact that my girlfriend tells me that I've neer had such stamina before in my life, she got off so may times and I had no problem whatsoever delaying my gratification until I was satisfied that she had enough and that she couldnt stand up. This is despite the fact that she's a hard 10, full blooded korean knockout. why, oh why do the most beautiful women ever, flawless in fact, come form such a horrible country? keep in mind that their attitude is far from flawless, lmao!

On the flipside, my girl's dad founded cisco in korea, so I have a free pass to go there in the next few months. From what I understand Its like $30/amp without restriction, dont quite me on this, but it sems to make perfect sense.

I've never felt agitation at all, I think if you think about it, it might be misintrepreted as us having less tolernace to those who aren't on the same level as us, whiich is a natural phenomenon. Personally I've only felt good things, amazing things actually.

I have a few theories, and keep in mind these are theories. I don't state my opinion is correct or not, I only toss this out there to motivate others to perhaps take it upon themselves to reserach these things and open the board to discussion about these theories I may have.

I think together we can all form as a happy Cerebrolysin commity to get the most out of our dollars here with no waste!

My Theories

• The result received will be dependent upon what you are expecting to achieve by taking cerebrolysin
• The result will be effected by many different tings cuh as Needle Gauge, Length, ROA, Adhereance to standard protocol of administration, unknown interactions with other treatments, foods, diet, exercise, well-being, intent, overal body heatlh, pre-existing conditoins, and amount of administration
• The result will be depenent on Mindset, prior emotional problems, chrises, catastrophes, etc.
• Body Chemistry, defeciencies & suplusess
• Overall plasticity will be determined by how much you stimulate the right connections to be made to achieve your goal
• Choice of cycle: So far I know of two cycles. Which are
  (a) 30 Day Cycle, 5 Days on, 2 Days Off, repeat x 4 (20 Ampules over 30 Days) Reccomended to wait 3 months before next cycle because the effect is cumulative.*
  (b) 30 Day Clicle, 1 Day On, 1 Day Off, repeat x 15 (15 Ampules over 30 Days) Unable to find suggested waiting period if it exists between cycles

Experiments worthy of Consideration
Requirement:This will take a group effect on all of our parts, perhaps call it research

• In otherwise healthy adults, is it worth taking 10ml/day vs 5ml a day?
• For those suffering from brain injury (auto acidents etc), is taking 10ml/day better than 5ml a day for a course? Or is this special group benefitting most from an even higher daily dose?
• If deciding on a course of 5ml/day, would it be beneficial to preload the first 4-5 days at 10ml to shortnen the time it takes to build up in your system? then switch to the usual 5ml or 1ml injections? Could this possibly save us all money?

* I've found on the first cycle I did the effects were pretty much gone after a month to a month & a half. YMMV

Edited by Joe Black, 04 July 2012 - 07:11 AM.

[IRAtional]

The dosage depends on the how much damaged brain tissue. And what is the cause of these injuries.

[csrpj]

if i wanted to trial it before doing the full cycle, would doing 5mg IM for 5 days be enough to gauge the effects? if not, what would be a better alternative?

[chairofgold]

Hello guys, I am new to this form but wanted to let you know when I purchased Cerebrolysin and for how much.

I ordered from drugspremium dot com and payed a total of $301.95 for 15, 10ml vials. My order went through on June 25, 2012 and I am waiting for them to arrive. I will let you know when I get it and the effects of it and as far as the quality.

I will post here on a regular basis once I try the drug. I plan on going 10 ml IV for the first 5 days followed by two weeks of 5 ml's, Mon to Fri and the weekends off, that is for a total of 100ml's in three weeks time.

[Joe Black]

Chairofgold, fyi im not sure about that site myself but if they offer ems i usually reccomend it on the first order, you should get it in 5 days intl, very fast! The alternative I tend to see is registered mail which moves slower than priority mail because everytime it gets taken to a new facility or transfered to a new truck it has to be signed off and locked in a box. its abouat as fast as first class, much more secure tho.

After your first cycle you'll have a month or two to cool off before you do another and the waiting is not so bad, but man that anticipation of looking in the mailbox every day for a month really kills you the first time around :D

[sunshinefrost]

if i wanted to trial it before doing the full cycle, would doing 5mg IM for 5 days be enough to gauge the effects? if not, what would be a better alternative?

it wouldn't do anything because around the 5th day you MAY start feeling something subtle. that's on your first cycle. my second cycle i responded right away.

[Joe Black]

also for all of those out there IMing. I have been experimenting since to be honest the deltoids usually end up rather sore after injecting into them and trying to stick yourself in the right part of your ass not only contorts your spine so much you beg for mercy, getting the correct 90 degree angle of entry is is abit hard, and hitting a artery or the sciatic nerve is alot easier than you'd think. I know my stuff and I hit an artery last week so I thought i'd share an absolute gem with you guys. I've been using this spot being sure to rotate around the area just enough that i'd almost say you could use it exclusively. after you do a few yourself you'll know what i mean, because you literally start penetrating muscle at about half a cm in.

Looking at the technique below you'll soon see it can be a rather tricky one to pull off the first few times if you dont have help, i've h ad good luck though by turning my hand around or tracing my hand on paper in the same position shown in the picture below and cutting it out, whatever works for you, i mark the area with a sharpie. When I load up the Cerebrolysin i pull the skin taught and ever so slightly poke in several spots in and around the area i just marked, i've found it can really hurt if you dont do this step. You just want to gently nudge till you barely feel the point, try several spots and you'll quickly find one that you dont feel at all, you're gold from here, i reccomend on a 1 1/4 " needle to bury it all the way still, when you're done hold pressure for about 10seconds.

This area is great becaues its all muscle, its on your side so you can hit it sitting down standing up or laying down, i've done all three, its also completely painless before and after if you do it correctly. I was in a hurry to make a meeting the ther day and literlaly wrecked my bum muscles lol, it hurt to sit on a tempurpedic. i rather loathe trying to twist around to see what im doing back there so if you want a spot that's as easy to hit as your deltoids but much better overall, def check this out.

The ventorgluteal (VG) site has less subcutaneous fat and a thicker muscle mass than the dorsogluteal site with an almost certain probability of penetrating muscle with a standard needle.
The VG site is also sparse of any major innervating nerves or blood vessels whilst remaining well perfused from smaller branches.
Locating the VG site.
The ventrogluteal site is located halfway between the hip and the head of the femur. One method to locate the correct site is:

• First, place the heel of your hand (use your L hand if injecting into the patients R VG and vice-versa) over the patients greater trochanter, and feel for the anterior superior iliac spine with your index finger.
• The middle finger then slides across to make a peace-sign pointing up to the iliac crest.
• The injection site is in the middle of this peace-sign.
• Wipe site with alco-wipe in a circular motion and allow to dry.
• Use your peace sign to spread skin taut.
• Insert needle at 90 degree angle. Take care as you are inserting needle in proximity to your fingers.
• There is no evidence for the need to aspirate the plunger when using the VG site. <<<
• Inject medication slowly (around 10 seconds per ml), remove needle quickly, and gently apply pressure to site for 10 seconds.

So, the ventrogluteal site is indeed the best practice location for delivering an adult IM injection.
References:
Intramuscular injections: a review of best practice for mental health nurses:
COCOMAN A. & MURRAY J. (2008) Journal of Psychiatric and Mental Health Nursing 15, 424–434

[Joe Black]

if i wanted to trial it before doing the full cycle, would doing 5mg IM for 5 days be enough to gauge the effects? if not, what would be a better alternative?

it wouldn't do anything because around the 5th day you MAY start feeling something subtle. that's on your first cycle. my second cycle i responded right away.

I second this, ever seen that old mtv show undressed, its kinda like that.

[csrpj]

it wouldn't do anything because around the 5th day you MAY start feeling something subtle. that's on your first cycle. my second cycle i responded right away.

I second this, ever seen that old mtv show undressed, its kinda like that.

Hmmm, so what is the recommended protocol for first time use, if the goal is to get a feel for what it has to offer?

[Joe Black]

it wouldn't do anything because around the 5th day you MAY start feeling something subtle. that's on your first cycle. my second cycle i responded right away.

I second this, ever seen that old mtv show undressed, its kinda like that.

Hmmm, so what is the recommended protocol for first time use, if the goal is to get a feel for what it has to offer?

because of the difficulty soeties of getting it on time and the necessity to do it in a certain way (cycle), you'd want to do a 30 day cycle,

i've heard of two differnt popular ones, one is 5 days on, 2 days off, for 4 weeks, the other is one day on one day off for 30 days. it would cost 20 and 15 vials respectively, you can choose 5 or 10, I've only done 10's so I can't speak for the 5's.

when its not your first cycle you'll feel it sooner, but for your first cycle i've hard of people taking 10 days or more ot feel it, everyones different, i feel it at 4, but would hardly call that the experience i'd reccomend you seek, because it gets much better than that towards the end.

[csrpj]

drugs-pro redirects to drugsfort (which does have cere).... is this indeed a legit source?

[chairofgold]

Hi guys, just wanted to let you know that my shipment arrived on July 14th, the evening of my first post and I ordered the item on June 25th. I also got an email notice form the company on July 16th from the company stating that my item is at my local post office and to please pick up the item, but is so happened that it was delivered already. The item came in a three sealed packets with the hieroglyphic seal and with 5 vials in each sealed packet, stated that they were made in Austria and an expiration date of 2017 including the manufactured date of 2012. The medication identification paper was in a russian language. With that said, everything looks legitimate!

Anyway today was the first day that I delivered the med via IV route. The supplies for the IV start kit was bought online including the needles, filters, and sterile saline. I found the lowest prices on syringes btw on ebay. I mixed 10 cc of Cerebrolysin with 15cc of sterile saline (ss) for a total of 25cc in a 30cc syringe and administered via IV slow push in increments of 2cc every 2 minutes so ruffly it all went in in approx 30 minutes. Prior to administering I flushed with 3cc of ss and again with 3cc after the completion of the med.

During the course of the day, I felt that I may have felt a very mild anxiolytic and antidepressant effect. This is good. However, I did not or still do not feel more focused or being able to remember better which is my main goal, that is to grow and extend dendritic branches permanently for an overall awesome memory and recall, which I hope will happen soon.

[IRAtional]

Hi guys, just wanted to let you know that my shipment arrived on July 14th, the evening of my first post and I ordered the item on June 25th. I also got an email notice form the company on July 16th from the company stating that my item is at my local post office and to please pick up the item, but is so happened that it was delivered already. The item came in a three sealed packets with the hieroglyphic seal and with 5 vials in each sealed packet, stated that they were made in Austria and an expiration date of 2017 including the manufactured date of 2012. The medication identification paper was in a russian language. With that said, everything looks legitimate!

Anyway today was the first day that I delivered the med via IV route. The supplies for the IV start kit was bought online including the needles, filters, and sterile saline. I found the lowest prices on syringes btw on ebay. I mixed 10 cc of Cerebrolysin with 15cc of sterile saline (ss) for a total of 25cc in a 30cc syringe and administered via IV slow push in increments of 2cc every 2 minutes so ruffly it all went in in approx 30 minutes. Prior to administering I flushed with 3cc of ss and again with 3cc after the completion of the med.

During the course of the day, I felt that I may have felt a very mild anxiolytic and antidepressant effect. This is good. However, I did not or still do not feel more focused or being able to remember better which is my main goal, that is to grow and extend dendritic branches permanently for an overall awesome memory and recall, which I hope will happen soon.

It look legitimate , because it is. There is should to be hogographic stickers, on both sides of box they are protect box from being open.

[chairofgold]

Actually that's where I'm getting it from too. I guess I was calculating the shipping price into it since I paid 210 for 2 boxes of 5 x 10ml. Actually on day 7 (yesterday) I started feeling really awesome. I'm quite certain I'm hitting IM spots, it just seems to have taken a while to acclimate in my system.

The social aspect is definitely there and lack of anxiety and depression. Not feeling quite as good today but my sleep schedule is really bad right now which likely has something to do with it.

Empathy and moral support to my friends seems to be much more fulfilling as well. I'll update more in a few hours hopefully, quite busy at the moment.

Interesting, I'm going to be finishing off my 1st box of course2 tomorrow and I definately felt it on day 3 this time. no doubt, day 4(even better). I honestly felt it on day 1 and 2, just nowhere near as powerful as now, or as long lasting, but I could feel that feeling, no doubt on that. This could be due to this being my second course.

I have a feeling that during the load phase, ie first box, that doing 10ml a day for the first 5 days would probably drop you straight into feeling it full force. It'd be interesting to experiment with this. All the benefits of a 4 day load period and from there you could take it at 5ml/day like originally planned. I wonder if after the initial load period that the 10ml a day is of any benefit vs 5ml. Also I've heard good things about 10ml one day on, then one day off, then repeat for the cycle.

Anyone out there with experience first-hand on any of these things, we'd love to hear from you. Getting the most from this expensive treatment would be fortunate for all, surely :D

Joe Black you mentioned that you felt it. What exactly did you feel? Did you feel more clarity in thoughts? Did you feel your memory was improved? Recall? Could you elaborate please? So far as myself, today is the second day of dosing with 10cc and I kind of feel like my brain is trying to focus, with a tiny bit of clarity of thinking mix in. Perhaps this could be psychological from wishful thinking though? Time will tell though.

[chairofgold]

Hi guys, just wanted to update you all. first of all, this is my third day of taking cerebro and it has been a bit of a different day. First off, I slept way less last night and then crashed durning mid day. I also have been having localized headaches that last for approx 5 min and then subside. This occurred 3 separate times today. No big deal. As far as mentation goes, no change as of yet.

[csrpj]

can someone help answer a few questions for me?...

- at 10ml/day using a 5on/2off schedule, how many weeks on is necessarily to feel what cere can offer? 4, or can it be 3 or even less?

IMing:
- 10ml, am i better off splitting into two injections or can i do it in one? (and this is done with two separate needles?)
- is it indeed a good idea to use a filter for each injection? (and do i need a separate filter for each injection or could i just purchase one?)

is drugsfort (redirected from drugspro) a legit source and do they ship relatively quickly to the US?

[chairofgold]

can someone help answer a few questions for me?...

- at 10ml/day using a 5on/2off schedule, how many weeks on is necessarily to feel what cere can offer? 4, or can it be 3 or even less?

IMing:
- 10ml, am i better off splitting into two injections or can i do it in one? (and this is done with two separate needles?)
- is it indeed a good idea to use a filter for each injection? (and do i need a separate filter for each injection or could i just purchase one?)

is drugsfort (redirected from drugspro) a legit source and do they ship relatively quickly to the US?

csrpj, please see my post's. I'm new to cerebro and haven't yet felt the effects yet. As far as using a filter, yes, you always will need to use a new sterile filter for each time you break open a glass vial to withdraw the med. You should give yourself 2 injections at two different sites of 5cc each. Using the Z-tract method is the best approach as this will insure that you receive all the medication so you wont have med and blood dribbling out of the injection site. Last, I got mine from a website called drugspremium dot com. They seem to have the best pricing. I got three boxes of 10cc x 5 vials for 290 and the shipping was 10 dollars. This amounted to about 301 dollars for the whole thing. It took about 3 weeks to arrive. The email that i received said that payment was website said payment will be shown on my credit card for drugspro dot com.

Hope this helps!

[csrpj]

can someone help answer a few questions for me?...

- at 10ml/day using a 5on/2off schedule, how many weeks on is necessarily to feel what cere can offer? 4, or can it be 3 or even less?

IMing:
- 10ml, am i better off splitting into two injections or can i do it in one? (and this is done with two separate needles?)
- is it indeed a good idea to use a filter for each injection? (and do i need a separate filter for each injection or could i just purchase one?)

is drugsfort (redirected from drugspro) a legit source and do they ship relatively quickly to the US?

csrpj, please see my post's. I'm new to cerebro and haven't yet felt the effects yet. As far as using a filter, yes, you always will need to use a new sterile filter for each time you break open a glass vial to withdraw the med. You should give yourself 2 injections at two different sites of 5cc each. Using the Z-tract method is the best approach as this will insure that you receive all the medication so you wont have med and blood dribbling out of the injection site. Last, I got mine from a website called drugspremium dot com. They seem to have the best pricing. I got three boxes of 10cc x 5 vials for 290 and the shipping was 10 dollars. This amounted to about 301 dollars for the whole thing. It took about 3 weeks to arrive. The email that i received said that payment was website said payment will be shown on my credit card for drugspro dot com.

Hope this helps!

thanks for the info, mate!

let me make sure i got this right (am going partially based off of trevyn's vid)....

1) break open a 10ml ampule with an alcohol square
2) assemble syringe+filter+drawing-needle
3) collect 5ml
4) take off drawing needle and filter, and put in the injection needle
5) inject into sterilized site 1
6) assemble a new syringe + new filter + new drawing needle
7) collect the remaining 5ml
8) take off drawing needle and filter, and put in a new injeciton needle
9) inject into sterilized site 2

oh, is it important i use a band-aid?

so per day we use an ampule, alcohol square or two, two syringes, two filters, and four needles(?)

[chairofgold]

Hi guys. I've switched to the IM route as I was unable to get the parts needed for a proper IV and keeping a needle in your vein for twenty minutes by taping it down is not the least fun, it's brutal! This is my 5th day on Cerebro and I have not felt the effects as all yet! Can someone please tell me what you are suppose to feel?

[protoject]

Hi guys. I've switched to the IM route as I was unable to get the parts needed for a proper IV and keeping a needle in your vein for twenty minutes by taping it down is not the least fun, it's brutal! This is my 5th day on Cerebro and I have not felt the effects as all yet! Can someone please tell me what you are suppose to feel?

Huh.. I am becoming quite disheartened by this

[risemystic]

don't use this thing!!!
i live in ukraine! and the doctor sad here to me that this stoff work very bad auf stomach !
it's very expensive also here !
i use lions mane know and it very much natur and better than
Cerebrolysin

[88LS]

Hi guys, I've learnt so much on this forum over the past few months and would just like to express my utmost gratitude and respect to all you "cerebronauts" out there who contribute to this excellent site (especially all the experts), you guys are awesome! Herewith my 2 cents on Cerebrolysin:

About a month ago I ordered 10 X 10ml ampules from Superhumangear (great site / service BTW), two and a half weeks later the shipment arrived here in South Africa. Customs seized the product as unregistered medicine and I had to really put my mind to work to get it loose. I got a note from a friendly, open minded, doctor and with a bit of persuasion and sweet talking at customs they decided to give it to me, but warned me not to try to order it again. So if you're in South Africa I wouldn't even bother, Cape Town customs is a nightmare... Anyways so I started my schedule of 10ml per day (5ml per 2 injection sites first thing in the morning) 4 days on 2 days off. There wasn't a build up phase for me, I felt effects from the very first day. Immediate mood enhancement including anti-depression, reduced anxiety, positive energy and you have a cool, calm, ready to take on anything attitude. As the days went by I noticed the following effects:

• Mood enhancement (easier to shrug off negative thought patterns)
• Clarity of mind and thoughts (more meaning to thoughts)
• Auditory and visual enhancement (sharper, clearer)
• Slight headaches, but a good kind (like your brain is being restored/renewed in that area)
• Memory increase (didn't feel exclusively like short or long term memory but "medium term" increase if you will)
• Brain doesn't get fatigued (at all)
• Caffeine and all other noots had potentiated effects (ALCAR, Piracetam and Gerbil stack on off days)
• Slightly more difficulty falling asleep (probably because of boundless energy, and its natural energy, not the stimulant kind)

Furthermore if you decide to do a Cerebrolysin course, I would strongly advise 10ml per day as I believe 5ml would be too weak a dose IMO. I used 23G one and a half inch needles without filter, 21G was painful... Oh yeah, I had a great e-mail conversation with one of the professors over at EVER Neuro Pharma GmbH, who gave me an excellent product monograph which should be able to answer most of your questions (download here or PM me to send it to you via e-mail), I also asked him about the storage instructions once the ampule has been opened and his response was: "Regarding your question, unfortunately your Cerebrolysin should be used immediately after the ampule is opened, because the solution contains peptides and the risk of contamination is high. So in other words you should use the ampule as soon as possible when you've opened it, better within less than 1 hour. Thank you and best regards." So yeah, opened ampules are rendered useless after 1 hour.

I would definitely recommend Cerebrolysin to anyone looking for overall brain enhancement/restoration. I would love to do a second course, as recommended in product literature, but I fear it will be too difficult to get past customs again. These days ALCAR, Piracetam, Lithium Orotate and the Gerbil Stack works wonders for me, looking to try out the CILTEP stack too. Hope this helps, peace out.