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[chairofgold]

An update guys, finally after 6 days of usage I started to feel and notice a difference. Here is the positives:

1) Depression is slowly dissipating

2) More clarity of thought

3) More mental energy

4) Much less anxiety

5) Libido

The negatives:

1) Some diarrhea

2) Slight intermittent short lasting localized headaches

Now, everyone responds differently and I for one have had suffered from depression/anxiety since I was 15 years old. I have tried many different medications, most of which hardly worked. I am on viibryd now. The viibryd has no sexual side effects by the way, as all the other serotonin reuptake inhibitors have, which causes people to give up taking the med. I believed that the depression caused my brain to atrophy and work inefficiently. The cerebrolysin I feel is repairing the damage and causing regrowth as I feel this is occurring slowly, as a lot of repair work is needed.

[protoject]

Here is the positives:

AH! sounds very good. Maybe I should keep some hope. Looks like it's working for quite a few individuals , if not at first then at least a week down the line. This has always looked like one of those most hopeful substances for me ever since I started reading about it.

[BigGuy1980]

There are definitely positives... I think you will get more benefit if administered at 1ml a day... I did do a loading phase of 5ml/day for 4 weeks... But considering the cost and the results compared from 1ml-5ml-10ml (i did 10ml for 3 or 4 days with nothing to report) 1ml/day will do you well... KEEP in mind, I have never had a brain injury/trauma; so its reasonable to conclude that I am a health individual...

The results were not pronounced... Its not like you take it, the BAM!!! You feel it.... Also, you need to exercise your brain while on... If you are taking it just to take it, your results will be minimal... If you are taking it and going to school, studying, playing an instrument you will slowly notice a difference...

The biggest thing to look for to know its working is your dreams... They will be much clearer, and lasting... Ive had some dreams where Ive woken and was impacted for the rest of the day...

Also, I did take a month off from my prescribed Adderall, then began again... The results were amazing... I was able to maintain a 6hr study focus.. During my experimentation I tried Piracitam, and a few other nootropics... But none benefited me...

The cerebro def has an anti anxiety quality about it....

For the record: I do not use a filter when drawing... I preload 5ml syringe (drawing with a 23g 1.5" pin); I administer with a 25g 1.5" pin into either the delt or the quad... Just administering what I need, then cap and store the rest for the next day. Ive been doing this for months with no issues. (Although, I understand the extreme caution many of you follow; I am comfortable with my protocol... I have years of experience with IM)

This is a great thread, and we are all learning here. Thank you everyone for posting.

[88LS]

Your results are most probably placebo, I repeat:

Regarding your question, unfortunately your Cerebrolysin should be used immediately after the ampule is opened, because the solution contains peptides and the risk of contamination is to high. So with other words you should use the ampule as soon as possible when you've opened it, better within less than 1 hour. Thank you and best regards.

Dr. Mustapha Bennay
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EVER Neuro Pharma GmbH
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[flatline]

I draw my extra cerebrolysin into a second syringe, put it in a zip-lock bag and store it in the fridge. I really hope that is enough to prevent serious contamination, but I'm sure it's totally against actual medical procedure.

[protoject]

I wouldn't do it like that. It's a question of what's more important, your safety or some money.

[sunshinefrost]

I just started my 3rd cycle. After 3 months off, the clear mind effect appears right away, no loading phase needed like on the 1st cycle. My brain definitly wakes up, the processing speed tripples and though process is so much clearer. I'm starting to think the cycles are cumulative. Anti-anxiety is a wellcomed benefit also

I have to mention that this particular cycle is kind of amazing at this time because i also take C60 olive oil. i feel that the synergy of those 2 cutting edge product are doing wonders for my brain. i only hope i don't get to lose sleep like i did before.

cheers !

[protoject]

I just started my 3rd cycle. After 3 months off, the clear mind effect appears right away, no loading phase needed like on the 1st cycle. My brain definitly wakes up, the processing speed tripples and though process is so much clearer. I'm starting to think the cycles are cumulative. Anti-anxiety is a wellcomed benefit also

I have to mention that this particular cycle is kind of amazing at this time because i also take C60 olive oil. i feel that the synergy of those 2 cutting edge product are doing wonders for my brain. i only hope i don't get to lose sleep like i did before.

cheers !

Thanks for sharing.
I am curious how bad the sleep loss is when on these products and if the effect of the actual drug balances this out at all.
It has been a huge worry for me because I've experienced chronic sleep loss in my life quite often, and wouldn't want to offset any neurological benefits of the drug with sleep loss, unless it was truly worth it.

[sunshinefrost]

I just started my 3rd cycle. After 3 months off, the clear mind effect appears right away, no loading phase needed like on the 1st cycle. My brain definitly wakes up, the processing speed tripples and though process is so much clearer. I'm starting to think the cycles are cumulative. Anti-anxiety is a wellcomed benefit also

I have to mention that this particular cycle is kind of amazing at this time because i also take C60 olive oil. i feel that the synergy of those 2 cutting edge product are doing wonders for my brain. i only hope i don't get to lose sleep like i did before.

cheers !

Thanks for sharing.
I am curious how bad the sleep loss is when on these products and if the effect of the actual drug balances this out at all.
It has been a huge worry for me because I've experienced chronic sleep loss in my life quite often, and wouldn't want to offset any neurological benefits of the drug with sleep loss, unless it was truly worth it.

I've had sleep issues before starting Cerebrolysin, so i just have to be carefull not to take too much cafein during the day and i'll be fine with sleep. Last night, for some reason i slept 5 hours and i woke up refreshed, something that does not happen when i'm not taking this. I suspect the reason they suggest 5 on / 2 off is to give the brain a break at some point... can't supercharge the brain too much i guess.

if you want to try it on a need to basis, then i would think it's still worth it.

Edited by sunshinefrost, 28 July 2012 - 07:06 PM.

[sunshinefrost]

I draw my extra cerebrolysin into a second syringe, put it in a zip-lock bag and store it in the fridge. I really hope that is enough to prevent serious contamination, but I'm sure it's totally against actual medical procedure.

i did the same and did not experience any issues. Pharmacists will probably tell you that this is not a recommended way to operate though.

[chairofgold]

Guys, after completing 50ml's a couple of weeks ago, I have started my second round, this time IV route. Supplies can be bought at Allegro's Medical dot com. The first day, I felt nothing, the second day of 10ml's and my depression has been wiped out. I don't get a high feeling at all, just a clean depression free state. This is exactly how I use to feel before depression ruined my life at the age of 14. I still did manage to become somewhat successful and dependent, though it was a struggle. As far as feeling smarter, that is still to be seen. Overall, I give Cerebrolysin one thumbs up, and two thumbs up once I feel smarter and my memory excels.

Overall:

I'm in a clean depression free state.

Overall doses up to date has been 7, 10ml ampules.

Will continue to update...

[Joe Black]

I draw my extra cerebrolysin into a second syringe, put it in a zip-lock bag and store it in the fridge. I really hope that is enough to prevent serious contamination, but I'm sure it's totally against actual medical procedure.

i don't mean to encourage bad behavior, but as many of you know, you goto school to learn how to do something, then you start work, and erase everything you ever learned to learn how it's really dont in real life.

that can be greatly applied to these kind of things. To tell you the truth, what you're doing is absolutely fine, i do it all the time, and believe it or not, more than likely every hospital you guys have ever been to does similar. I base this on 6 years of working for the 2 best hospitals in southern california, world renown might I add.

Keep in mind at these hospitals I was working the pathology department and they were located on the coast, so all our drains drained into the water, I was asked on occasion to dump mercury chloride and hiv positive body fluids down the drain, yes, straight into the ocean.

I would be careful to make sure you do the following, as this is how it would be done in a hospital to reduce contamination.

Use a seperate needle for drawing up the fluid, then switch to a new needle, don't uncap the new needle, make sure the syringe was clean, if you just used it for something, make sure you expunge any bodily fluids that might have entered then swab down the needle with an alcohol swab before recapping, then i usually place the whole thing as far as it will go back into the outer wrapping for the syringe itself, then use sterile paper tape to tape around the edge, then place that into a new zip lock bag, expunge all the air you can, seal, roll it up and place it in the fridge.

And not to start an argument but you won't find it standard practice at any hospital that uses ampules to use a wheel filter to filter the contents as they draw it up, there isnt time or money for that, ampules have been used longer than i've been alive the way they are and there's never been a problem with microscopic pieces of glass. I think this is getting a little too paranoid/ocd guys. Just my 2 cents. :D

[Joe Black]

Also coming off my 2nd cycle of cere i couldn't help but think to myself, i didn't want that feeling you get when doing cere, the last week, to go away again.

So out of curiousity and because i can afford to, i've decided to run two cere cycles back to back, to see if it keeps getting better....really just to see what happens because nobody else has posted here with the results of trying it.

I'll keep you guys posted, I just did the 4th vial of the first box today and there was a miinimal post load, i took the weekend off plus a day between cycles so 3 days, I definately felt back up on the horse after the 2nd day though, and on day 4 feel absolutely fantastic.

I will keep you guys posted on the progress of this :D

[Joe Black]

One last thing, as far as memory goes, mine has always been bad. But I remember the strangest things. My girlfriend can ask me where anything is, quarters, a lighter, her keys, etc and I can describe with photographic clarity exactly where I last saw it or say in the instance of a lighter, whre i saw one 2 weeks ago when looking for something behind the desk, and these memories come photographic, i literally visualize the object itself and exactly where it is and can describe exactly where it is located and what it looks like over the phone and she'll find it right away.

pretty awesome stuff i'd say :D

[chairofgold]

Now that I'm in a depression free state, I am going to focus more on assessing the cognitive intellectual factors derived from Cerebrolysin. Though I have noticed a subtle change in that department, I feel that it will take time to notice a progressive to a significant change.

I have now used 8 ampules as of today.

Progressive changes in mental intellect still pending...

[Gamerzneed]

It's great to hear a lot of positivity in this thread. I myself will recieve Cerebrolysin in about a week or two and definately will keep everyone updated as well. I know it has an effect on memory, anxiety, as well as depression but am wondering if anyone had an impact from it on their hormones. Chairofgold reported increased libido, I'm not sure if this is because of a lack of depression or an effect on the pituitary gland being able to produce more hormones because of Cerebrolysin. Definately an interesting thread.

Edited by Gamerzneed, 01 August 2012 - 03:16 AM.

[Nicolae.John]

Alot of this Russian stuff, I haven't heard of before.

I'd be interested in hearing if you've ever tried this Anony4mous?

I see that there's a way to order this out of Russia (www.1010pharmacy.com) or the UK (www.antiaging-systems.com). There's probably a few others too...

As I mentioned earlier I will try this as soon as I finish my bottle of SEMAX. I don't want to use both drugs at the same time...

Btw, 1010pharmacy is very expensive. I was able to get it for about 33 USD in one of the EU countries, they did not even ask a prescription for it..

1010pharmacy price is - Cerebrolysin ( injection) 5 ml / 1076 mg #5 - 78 USD.... And there are couple of manufacturers in South Korea. One if them is kunwha.com

There is only one original and really safe product - the one manufactured by Ebewe Austria. I am surprised to see how much expensive medicines can be in US. I think that the best way is to buy from officially registered on-line pharmacies from E.U. (highly regulated for patient safety stand point) because they can purchase legally the product from cheaper Eastern EU countries. I am living in Romania and here the product (pack of 5 vials x 5 ml) is like 40-45 Euro depending on US$-Euro exchange rate. Also pack of 5vials x 1ml and also pack of 5 vials x 10ml are available. If you really need it, let me know how many you need and I can check which one can purchase it and supply it to you together with a copy of that bacth Certificate of Analysis issued by Ebewe, additional proof that you have the original... I would be glad to help, I know this treats a very serious health issue. Best regards, Nicholas

[FDA Approved]

Alot of this Russian stuff, I haven't heard of before.

I'd be interested in hearing if you've ever tried this Anony4mous?

I see that there's a way to order this out of Russia (www.1010pharmacy.com) or the UK (www.antiaging-systems.com). There's probably a few others too...

As I mentioned earlier I will try this as soon as I finish my bottle of SEMAX. I don't want to use both drugs at the same time...

Btw, 1010pharmacy is very expensive. I was able to get it for about 33 USD in one of the EU countries, they did not even ask a prescription for it..

1010pharmacy price is - Cerebrolysin ( injection) 5 ml / 1076 mg #5 - 78 USD.... And there are couple of manufacturers in South Korea. One if them is kunwha.com

There is only one original and really safe product - the one manufactured by Ebewe Austria. I am surprised to see how much expensive medicines can be in US. I think that the best way is to buy from officially registered on-line pharmacies from E.U. (highly regulated for patient safety stand point) because they can purchase legally the product from cheaper Eastern EU countries. I am living in Romania and here the product (pack of 5 vials x 5 ml) is like 40-45 Euro depending on US$-Euro exchange rate. Also pack of 5vials x 1ml and also pack of 5 vials x 10ml are available. If you really need it, let me know how many you need and I can check which one can purchase it and supply it to you together with a copy of that bacth Certificate of Analysis issued by Ebewe, additional proof that you have the original... I would be glad to help, I know this treats a very serious health issue. Best regards, Nicholas

Hey, I am currently (for a few more weeks) in Bulgaria on the border with Romania. I am really interested in getting some cerebrolysin immediately, but you need a perscription in Bulgaria and its too expensive to order it in the UK. Can you just walk in any pharmacy and buy it in Romania? This is amazing news, I've tried to google about cerebrolysin and Romania before, but I couldnt find much information in English. Can you give me more info about this??
Edit: Also how much would 2 packs of 10ml x 5 cost?

Edited by FDA Approved, 01 August 2012 - 02:05 PM.

[chairofgold]

Guys, Cerebrolysin is most likely the best nootropic out there.

- First, of all, I have for the first time since the age of 13 to 14 have been depression free. Trust me, I have been through almost all the different antidepressant drugs, most of which takes months to work and when they do work only cuts the depression by less than half. Viibryd is the only drug that I take as of now and has NO sexual side effects as all the other ssri have, trust me! Recent studies have shown that the effect from the antidepressants may not be from a chemical imbalance from serotonin, dopamine, norepinephrine or what have you, but form the lack of the ability for the brain to regenerate itself by way of neurogenesis, which could be due to a lack of BDNF, NGF, GDNF and other chemical factors. These drugs in the process of blocking the reuptake also stimulate the factors but only to a degree, is what scientist are finding out. Ketamine, which is a drug given to induce sedation is know to spurr on neurogenisis and dendrite growth and depression is obliterated away within 3 days! Scientist think this drug is the ultimate in getting rid of depression, but unfortunately it is a controlled substance, and was not made for the use in depression.

Also, as I had mentioned in a previous post, the effect I received from Cerebro is not at all a high feeling but a clear and clean feeling. The lingering sadness for no apparent reason is just not there! This I believe is due to the regrowth of the missing needed dendrites and the upgrading ablility of the neurons to fire effectively. BDNF and other nurotrophic agents in cerebro, which btw crosses the blood brain barrier is what is spurring on the neurogenesis. Unlike other supplements like lion's mane only indirectly stimulates the production but is not the product itself, cerebro has BDNF in it and acts directly on the neurons.

-Second, my ability to recall is improving. I just went over study lessons and in the process have tested my ability to recall information, and I am recalling. Now as far as testing the actual results will be known after I take the test. And overall improvement is still in progress....

[protoject]

Guys, Cerebrolysin is most likely the best nootropic out there.

Very good news my friend, keep reporting when you can! I'm looking up from this point forward.

[chairofgold]

Hi guys, today I finished my 2nd round which equates to 10, 10ml ampules, and I feel great! I feel like my brain has been embedded in a sea of satisfying nutritious food. Thinking ability is picking up day by day. My ability to understand paragraphs and topics in my lecture studies have improved. I seem to engulf ideas better. I will have a better gauge of this once I take my exam, however. All other nootropics to me is like comparing the quality output you get from a VCR player to a Blue Ray player or like the energy you get from a bottle of vitamin mineral water to a power carb shake, it's just not the same.

[protoject]

Hi guys, today I finished my 2nd round which equates to 10, 10ml ampules, and I feel great! I feel like my brain has been embedded in a sea of satisfying nutritious food. Thinking ability is picking up day by day. My ability to understand paragraphs and topics in my lecture studies have improved. I seem to engulf ideas better. I will have a better gauge of this once I take my exam, however. All other nootropics to me is like comparing the quality output you get from a VCR player to a Blue Ray player or like the energy you get from a bottle of vitamin mineral water to a power carb shake, it's just not the same.

Very nice, exactly what I'm looking for to upgrade from this Cheap Version of reality I live in. [mentally ill]

[no seriously, I'm really behind]

I have a question. Have you noticed a stronger effect from the I.V. version as compared to the I.M. ?
I am really leery about using the IV method... but if I can overcome the fear , become educated and cover the costs, I might consider it if the effect is much greater. [seriously though, I'm really scared of doing this haha, maybe I'll just stick to IM]

[chairofgold]

Hi guys, today I finished my 2nd round which equates to 10, 10ml ampules, and I feel great! I feel like my brain has been embedded in a sea of satisfying nutritious food. Thinking ability is picking up day by day. My ability to understand paragraphs and topics in my lecture studies have improved. I seem to engulf ideas better. I will have a better gauge of this once I take my exam, however. All other nootropics to me is like comparing the quality output you get from a VCR player to a Blue Ray player or like the energy you get from a bottle of vitamin mineral water to a power carb shake, it's just not the same.

Very nice, exactly what I'm looking for to upgrade from this Cheap Version of reality I live in. [mentally ill]

[no seriously, I'm really behind]

I have a question. Have you noticed a stronger effect from the I.V. version as compared to the I.M. ?
I am really leery about using the IV method... but if I can overcome the fear , become educated and cover the costs, I might consider it if the effect is much greater. [seriously though, I'm really scared of doing this haha, maybe I'll just stick to IM]

The IV route would be more effective because Cbl goes directly into the blood stream -> pass blood brain barrier and acts directly on the neural cells in contrast to the IM route in which your body absorbs the Cbl at a slow rate, probably over an hr. The effect you get would probably be about the same, but common sense would tell be that the IV route is the ideal route to go. Also there is a thread here in which patience are treated IV, and the commenter stated that IV is more effective. Last, your safety is a priority and you should have a trained professional administer the Cbl IV, in order to avoid any complications.

[chairofgold]

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  Cerebrolysin is a porcine (pig) brain derived peptide preparation with amixture of different neurotrophic factors e.g., brain-derived neurotrophic factor (BDNF), glial cell line derived neurotrophic factor (GDNF), nerve growth factor (NGF), ciliary neurotrophic factor (CNTF) and other peptide fragme

Interesting find. Unlike other cognitive enhancers, this stuff has the real stuff.

http://www.hypermed....erebrolysin.htm

[protoject]

I'm still thinking that this is probably a holy grail or a godsend of some sort.

[unregistered_user]

I'm too afraid to inject myself with anything. Too bad this isn't as effective in pill form.

[chairofgold]

I'm too afraid to inject myself with anything. Too bad this isn't as effective in pill form.

So was I in the beginning, but I had to outweigh the cost vs the benefits. I was skeptical in the beginning and reread this thread over and over to find a logical explanation for the positive results people have been receiving. I also remembered that reading an article about a medication that a company was trying to get approved by the FDA which caused brain dendrites to grow and thereby defeat drug resistant depression.


BrainCells identified through its platform the compound’s ability to help new neurons differentiate and survive, two important aspects of the neurogenesis process.

Treatment Resistant Depression (TRD)



Treatment Resistant Depression (TRD) is defined as an inadequate response to at least one antidepressant of adequate dose and duration in patients suffering from major depressive disorder (MDD).


Neurogenesis is the process by which pre-existing
stem cells in the hippocampus of the adult brain produce new brain cells, including neurons.
“Our study results provide the first prospective clinical validation of neurogenesis as a target for
the treatment of mood disorders like depression, in contrast to the traditional focus on affecting
serotonin function for antidepressant drug development,” said lead investigator Maurizio Fava,
M.D., vice chair department of psychiatry at Massachusetts General Hospital and professor of
psychiatry at Harvard Medical School. “Researchers have speculated that the brain’s ability to
grow new brain cells may have an impact on depression, and we now know that we can
stimulate the natural process of neurogenesis with a positive clinical impact on depression
symptoms.”
http://www.braincell...PR-07272009.pdf

[unregistered_user]

I'm too afraid to inject myself with anything. Too bad this isn't as effective in pill form.

So was I in the beginning, but I had to outweigh the cost vs the benefits. I was skeptical in the beginning and reread this thread over and over to find a logical explanation for the positive results people have been receiving. I also remembered that reading an article about a medication that a company was trying to get approved by the FDA which caused brain dendrites to grow and thereby defeat drug resistant depression.


BrainCells identified through its platform the compound’s ability to help new neurons differentiate and survive, two important aspects of the neurogenesis process.

Treatment Resistant Depression (TRD)



Treatment Resistant Depression (TRD) is defined as an inadequate response to at least one antidepressant of adequate dose and duration in patients suffering from major depressive disorder (MDD).


Neurogenesis is the process by which pre-existing
stem cells in the hippocampus of the adult brain produce new brain cells, including neurons.
“Our study results provide the first prospective clinical validation of neurogenesis as a target for
the treatment of mood disorders like depression, in contrast to the traditional focus on affecting
serotonin function for antidepressant drug development,” said lead investigator Maurizio Fava,
M.D., vice chair department of psychiatry at Massachusetts General Hospital and professor of
psychiatry at Harvard Medical School. “Researchers have speculated that the brain’s ability to
grow new brain cells may have an impact on depression, and we now know that we can
stimulate the natural process of neurogenesis with a positive clinical impact on depression
symptoms.”
http://www.braincell...PR-07272009.pdf

Did you have any training doing injections or did you read up on how to do them online? Are you going the IM or IV route? What are the potential dangers of injections? Can they be done incorrectly so as to cause harm, injury or death?

All in all, what are the costs of associated with cerebroylsin and the supplies needed to administer the injections? Those of you that are doing it, do you feel it is worth it? Is this your first time injecting yourselves with anything?

[protoject]

Did you have any training doing injections or did you read up on how to do them online? Are you going the IM or IV route? What are the potential dangers of injections? Can they be done incorrectly so as to cause harm, injury or death?

All in all, what are the costs of associated with cerebroylsin and the supplies needed to administer the injections? Those of you that are doing it, do you feel it is worth it? Is this your first time injecting yourselves with anything?

I think perhaps these questions have been answered, scattered throughout the threads, so I would like to make a request please: I was wondering if anyone would be able to create an external link with instructions, kinda like a faq or a guide, and update it as more questions come? Thanks. We won't take this as professional advise if you put a disclaimer on it.. promise.

Edited by protoject, 06 August 2012 - 10:22 AM.

[chairofgold]

Did you have any training doing injections or did you read up on how to do them online? Are you going the IM or IV route? What are the potential dangers of injections? Can they be done incorrectly so as to cause harm, injury or death?

All in all, what are the costs of associated with cerebroylsin and the supplies needed to administer the injections? Those of you that are doing it, do you feel it is worth it? Is this your first time injecting yourselves with anything?

I think perhaps these questions have been answered, scattered throughout the threads, so I would like to make a request please: I was wondering if anyone would be able to create an external link with instructions, kinda like a faq or a guide, and update it as more questions come? Thanks. We won't take this as professional advise if you put a disclaimer on it.. promise.

Cbl is strong and the effects linger. One advice that I can tell you from my own experience is to decrease or stop taking other nootropics. I made the mistake of taking Acetyl L-Carnatine right after the two week dose and as a result my thoughts were rushing and my BP was up. It's strong stuff.

Last, as far as IV vs IM. IV is more effective.