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[marke53]

I've IM injected 120ml within the last 2 months haven't noticed anything dramatic besides increased mood and not as stressed. Maybe my brain needs awhile to repair, not too sure. Not sure if its placebo or if its actually working for me, either way its a slight change.

[CognitionCoefficient]

A lot of interesting discussion, but little in the way of quantitative testing. I'm a little disappointing more individuals aren't simply training using Brain Workshop while cycling if only to increase their working memory. Along the way, their reports (read: chart screenshots) would prove valuable for others.

[troubleis]

A lot of interesting discussion, but little in the way of quantitative testing. I'm a little disappointing more individuals aren't simply training using Brain Workshop while cycling if only to increase their working memory. Along the way, their reports (read: chart screenshots) would prove valuable for others.

Brain workshop..
What would be the benifit of that? Other than working memory!
For me, im not only looking for memory improvement. Im also looking for more creativity!

[zilla1126]

A lot of interesting discussion, but little in the way of quantitative testing. I'm a little disappointing more individuals aren't simply training using Brain Workshop while cycling if only to increase their working memory. Along the way, their reports (read: chart screenshots) would prove valuable for others.

I don't know about anyone else, but the things I'm taking CB for has no relation to doing well on those tests. Thus, the only reason for me to spend the time repeatedly doing those tests would be for your edification. On another occasion I would oblige you, but I simply do not have the time to both repeatedly take those tests, and also to distill, quantify, and record the results here.

I do not measure my progress that way, and I have made multiple posts providing feedback on the results which ARE important to me.

So, I don't know if this remains "disappointing" to you - if so, then I imagine that your disappointment will continue.

Again, I do not speak for anyone else in this matter, and I do not know if my reasons coincide with the thousands of others who are monitoring this thread - who also have chosen not to take the tests you indicate and then provide compiled reports here.

As it happens, my working memory has improved - but I have no interest in quantifying that improvement on an on-going basis. That particular improvement was simply a unexpected bonus.

I'm about to start another cycle (10ml/day - 5x2/month), and I DO plan on posting a synopsis of my improvement from my last cycle (5ml/day - 5x2/month).

[Mr Matsubayashi]

Week 3
PS: External factors made this a shit week in general

Alcohol Sensitivity: Not tested
Alcohol Hangover Severity: Not tested
Caffeine Sensitivity: I don't drink coffee, tea or coke
Other drug Sensitivities: Not taking anything else
Anti-Anxiety: 3/5
Anti-Stress: 2/5
Anti-Depressant: 1/5
Social Ability: 3/5
Speech: 2/5
Concentration: 2/5
Motivation: 0
Happiness: 1/5
Clarity: 2/5
Mental Energy: 3/5
Physical Energy: Not tested
Cognitive Benefit: 2/5
Memory Benefit: 2/5

Long Term Positive Effects: N/A
Drug Potency: 2/5
Time to Effect: 3 days

Other possible effects:
Emotional Sensitivity: Not Noticed
Tolerance: Not Noticed
Vision: Not Noticed
Hearing: Not Noticed
Smell: Not Noticed
Libido: Libido is the same. Reduced masturbation due to reduced stress/anxiety.
Headaches: Not Noticed
Dexterity: Not Noticed
Sleep: Might be causing sleep difficulties, nothing major though.
Flu Like Symptoms: Not Noticed
Increased Hunger: Hunger slightly increased in general
Diarrhea: No longer apparent

Week 4
This week I started to take ALCAR (2g), fish oil (4capsules), and Jarrows Green Defense (2 scoops) daily

Alcohol Sensitivity: Not tested
Alcohol Hangover Severity: Not tested
Caffeine Sensitivity: I don't drink coffee, tea or coke
Other drug Sensitivities: Not tested
Anti-Anxiety: 3/5
Anti-Stress: 3/5
Anti-Depressant: 3/5
Social Ability: 3/5
Speech: 3/5
Concentration: 2/5
Motivation: 0
Happiness: 3/5
Clarity: 4/5
Mental Energy: 4/5
Physical Energy: Not tested
Cognitive Benefit: 3/5
Memory Benefit: 4/5

Long Term Positive Effects: N/A
Drug Potency: 4/5
Time to Effect: 3 days

Other possible effects:
Emotional Sensitivity: Not Noticed
Tolerance: Not Noticed
Vision: Not Noticed
Hearing: Not Noticed
Smell: Not Noticed
Libido: Libido is the same. Reduced masturbation due to reduced stress/anxiety.
Headaches: Not Noticed
Dexterity: Not Noticed
Sleep: Might be causing sleep difficulties, nothing major though.
Flu Like Symptoms: Not Noticed
Increased Hunger: Hunger slightly increased in general
Diarrhea: No longer apparent

When I have time I will write a short narrative on my experience.

Edited by Mr Matsubayashi, 07 February 2013 - 11:42 AM.

[Mr Matsubayashi]

Trend-less, 3d, hard to read graphs? Hell yes!

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Edited by Mr Matsubayashi, 07 February 2013 - 11:17 AM.

[megatron]

Wow, Mr Matsubayashi! Speech, mental clarity, cognitive benefit and memory after four weeks seem insanely enhanced! I've got to up my dose to 10ml. Have you been doing DNB while using Cbl? If yes, any improvements? There should be if your wm has improved.

Edited by Megatrone, 07 February 2013 - 01:29 PM.

[nootlyinclinded]

Hello,
Wanted to check in and say I received my order of cerebrolysin from nootropic.eu. I do have to say that I was a bit iffy since it was declared on the customs portion of the shipping label as "supplement/cerebrolysin"; however, seeing as my package arrived safely, it wasn't such a big deal. I thought I'd go to my local pharmacy and buy myself some needles and syringes (since it's perfectly legal in the state of California to buy such items at pharmacies), but came to find out that they don't stock 5cc syringes and only had 29g and 31g needles. As a result, I had to place an online order to acquire such items. However, I'm hoping to stop by at a Walmart pharmacy and inquire on whether they have them in stock.

[stablemind]

Have you guys tried taking any of the racetams?

[therein]

What do you guys think about taking stimulants such as (adderall or ritalin) while on CERE?

[zilla1126]

Have you guys tried taking any of the racetams?

I'm pretty sure that you aren't trying to be offensive, but that is an exceedingly stupid and offensive question.

Let me rephrase it for you:

"Have any of you guys tried anything completely obvious for your problems before you idiotically ordered expensive and hard to get drugs from overseas, then injecting them into your bodies with a inch and a half long horse needle?"

So, to answer your question: No, we're just that stupid. Thanks for coming in and suggesting something that is literally one of the first things every one of us has tried.

[therein]

Have you guys tried taking any of the racetams?

I'm pretty sure that you aren't trying to be offensive, but that is an exceedingly stupid and offensive question.

Let me rephrase it for you:

"Have any of you guys tried anything completely obvious for your problems before you idiotically ordered expensive and hard to get drugs from overseas, then injecting them into your bodies with a inch and a half long horse needle?"

So, to answer your question: No, we're just that stupid. Thanks for coming in and suggesting something that is literally one of the first things every one of us has tried.

I think he was asking if anyone tried them at the same time.

[stablemind]

Have you guys tried taking any of the racetams?

I'm pretty sure that you aren't trying to be offensive, but that is an exceedingly stupid and offensive question.

Let me rephrase it for you:

"Have any of you guys tried anything completely obvious for your problems before you idiotically ordered expensive and hard to get drugs from overseas, then injecting them into your bodies with a inch and a half long horse needle?"

So, to answer your question: No, we're just that stupid. Thanks for coming in and suggesting something that is literally one of the first things every one of us has tried.

I think he was asking if anyone tried them at the same time.

Yup, that was what I was trying to say. Apparently someone needs some Cerebrolysin (or some more if he's taking it already).

[zilla1126]

I think he was asking if anyone tried them at the same time.

Yup, that was what I was trying to say.

Did you even search the thread before posting your half-baked question?

Apparently someone needs some Cerebrolysin (or some more if he's taking it already).

It's amazing the kind of insults people hurl from the safety of their computer. There's a word I cannot remember that describes someone who is brave when out of reach, but less so when repercussion of normal society could be incurred.. Of course aphasia is one of the reasons I am on CB. So, maybe you can google it or something - you know, using search functions. It's a cool thing for some people; others not so much.

[troubleis]

KEEP CALM
AND
SHOOT CBR


Im stacking it with 2400mg of Piracetam, but this is only my fifth day so everything could be placebo still.
Im considering ditching the racetam when im sure i feel the CBR effects..

[therein]

I guess I am going to have to be the first one here to try CERE with stimulants. Hopefully, CERE's effects will be so great that I won't even need stimulants for motivation.

[megatron]

After two weeks (ten injections of 5ml), there's nothing to report yet.

[zilla1126]

I guess I am going to have to be the first one here to try CERE with stimulants. Hopefully, CERE's effects will be so great that I won't even need stimulants for motivation.

From what I have gleaned reading this thread, the general experience of others is that CB will enhance the affects of stimulants - to possibly negative results. I'd go slowly.

Edited by zilla1126, 08 February 2013 - 12:53 PM.

[crusader]

After two weeks (ten injections of 5ml), there's nothing to report yet.

How could you not be feeling it by now?


im sure you know cerebrolysin has a neuropeptide mix of BDNF, NGF,GDNF, and IGF-1 and 2 with a through list of amino acids, so how could your brain not be benefited by all these ingredients ?


can someone chime in on how this would be possible?

[therein]

After two weeks (ten injections of 5ml), there's nothing to report yet.

How could you not be feeling it by now?


im sure you know cerebrolysin has a neuropeptide mix of BDNF, NGF,GDNF, and IGF-1 and 2 with a through list of amino acids, so how could your brain not be benefited by all these ingredients ?


can someone chime in on how this would be possible?

He might have a near-optimal brain?

[crusader]

After two weeks (ten injections of 5ml), there's nothing to report yet.

How could you not be feeling it by now?


im sure you know cerebrolysin has a neuropeptide mix of BDNF, NGF,GDNF, and IGF-1 and 2 with a through list of amino acids, so how could your brain not be benefited by all these ingredients ?


can someone chime in on how this would be possible?

He might have a near-optimal brain?

i thought cerebroylsin "builds the brain" as so many say on this forum (i dont say this in an aggressive or confrontational tone)

its not like the cerebroylsin has a mind of its own and just stops working on a near optimal brain, even if you were optimal, theoretically, shouldnt there still be results?

[CognitionCoefficient]

A lot of interesting discussion, but little in the way of quantitative testing. I'm a little disappointing more individuals aren't simply training using Brain Workshop while cycling if only to increase their working memory. Along the way, their reports (read: chart screenshots) would prove valuable for others.

I've looked at the results of a colleague of mine, he's been using Cere for a few weeks on a 5x per week cycle (5mL per day). He's in his mid-30s and began training for one week after taking a break from BW before Cere.

His performance began slightly below his previous plateau and then proceeded to move beyond it, averaging about 0.5 - 1 full n-back level. He was playing at DB3 and now regularly achieves DB4.

I will see if I can get him to post his graph.

Edited by CognitionCoefficient, 08 February 2013 - 10:08 PM.

[medievil]

As this stuff was so expensive tought why not try adding the 1ml one's to my stack, cant hurt and should aid brainrepair. Is there any research with regards to that dose? whats it used for?

I guess I am going to have to be the first one here to try CERE with stimulants. Hopefully, CERE's effects will be so great that I won't even need stimulants for motivation.

I wanted to be the first lol

[sunshinefrost]

After two weeks (ten injections of 5ml), there's nothing to report yet.

How could you not be feeling it by now?


im sure you know cerebrolysin has a neuropeptide mix of BDNF, NGF,GDNF, and IGF-1 and 2 with a through list of amino acids, so how could your brain not be benefited by all these ingredients ?


can someone chime in on how this would be possible?

He might have a near-optimal brain?

i thought cerebroylsin "builds the brain" as so many say on this forum (i dont say this in an aggressive or confrontational tone)

its not like the cerebroylsin has a mind of its own and just stops working on a near optimal brain, even if you were optimal, theoretically, shouldnt there still be results?

People usually respond after 4days... There is some kind of loading phase. Its already been discussed. It varies from person to person. It took me 13 days (13 x 5ml) to notice something. Don't despare... It's worth it. Just a quick note, this is not like ecstacy, you wont find euphoria, but you will find that with time you develop very fast and clear brain with an improvement in anxiety in general.

Good luck ! Have a good weekend

[megatron]

After two weeks (ten injections of 5ml), there's nothing to report yet.

How could you not be feeling it by now?


im sure you know cerebrolysin has a neuropeptide mix of BDNF, NGF,GDNF, and IGF-1 and 2 with a through list of amino acids, so how could your brain not be benefited by all these ingredients ?


can someone chime in on how this would be possible?

He might have a near-optimal brain?

I seriously doubt that. I'm decent at logical reasoning, but my creativity is poor and my social intelligence is basically not existing,

[Mr Matsubayashi]

It's late at night and I just finished sport, my English may not be the best

I rate the drugs potency, after the 3rd day I could feel effects that were fairly consistent throughout the cycle. Instead of talking about general qualities I perceived the drug to have I think it is better to break down some examples.

My Background
My job is stressful, I play a part in maintaining a major hazard facility and we are understaffed.
About 9 months ago my old partner broke it off with me, the hole that was left has left me feeling lonely and with my normal insecurities led me down the dangerous pathway of learned helplessness

The latter of the above two played a part in me losing my edge, an edge that helped me get to where I am now and is an important aspect of my ego.

When on Cere I stopped thinking about my ex in the context of missing her, instead I felt happy for her and could only wish her well. I started re-kindling our communication
Before Cere I would zone out at work and feel pretty average, on Cere I consistently engaged with my work in a satisfying way. I could hammer through work and feel good.
We have a company specialist over from the US working on a major project, the days I was on Cere I was a major boon to his work with creative ideas and clear thoughts. On my off days I was less helpful, to the point I didn't want to engage with him on off days
I'm normally very shy around girls, On Cere I was increasingly able to talk with female strangers in the context of just having a fun chat
During the month the office perception of me changed to that of a more sociable and fun person
Sunshinefrost, my vision did improve. I didn't notice anything in the way of colors but it did feel like everything was in focus more of the time.

Now for some general wank; On Cere it felt like I was able to perform at peak capacity for longer periods of time and the peaks were slightly elevated.

Bad Sides: It gave me the shits for 2.5 weeks.

Lessons learned
Leg injections were more difficult but resulted in a greater clarity rush and improved general drug response
Using the sachet packet of the alcohol wipe you used to clean the ampule neck, to break the ampule neck, protects your fingers in a hygienic way. I slip the sachet packet over the ampule head.
If you suffer from the Vasovagal response like I did, try the following:
Always inject after eating a meal
Lay down when injecting (marking the injection site with a texter helps)
Turn on the air conditioning or turn on a fan
Play a movie in the background
Count the seconds between each ml of Cere injected, try to not go faster than 10sec per ml.
For a slim person, the following fractions of needle insertion are suitable for the following locations when using a 1.5" needle
Legs: 1/2
Ventro Gluteal: 1/2
Dorso Gluteal: 1/1. Leave a small amount of needle visible above the skin in case the needle breaks off the syringe
If the plunger on the syringe is unusually hard to push down it may mean that you're bending the needle and its inner tube is being flattened / pinched. Relax your grip on the needle and try and find its neutral axis.

Would I recommend it to people? NO. I perceive this drug to be risky. DYOR and then see a doctor and get a prescription and don't complain if in 30 years your brain or something else is rooted.

Will I continue its use? Yes.
On that note, RussianBear noted how Cere can be physiologically addictive, I see his point.

[troubleis]

Im on my 6th day of Cere, and due to the possibiblity of added placebo effects, i wont go into much detail about my experiences so far..

The plan was to do the usual 5 on 2 off routine, but I will probably do 12 days in a row instead.
I simply have to much going on at work to drop the Cere during this weekend.

It's been 2 months since i started Piracetam, and the effects have been likened. But this Cere is a blast compared to Piracetam.
The last 2 days i have worked somewhat effectively for almost 14-16 hours a day varying between concept development, UI, UX and the usual 'daily chores' as an entrepreneur..
I wake up after 6 hours of sleep feeling fresh.
I have not experienced any cognitive "wow" effect yet. But looking in the rearview mirror a lot has changed already.. On the second day i ran out of cigarettes, and did think about it till during the next day. At this point i could just as well just ditch them, which i find incredibly painless after 5 days without smoking.
Other bad habits have decreased or entirely stopped by now. Only my mild OCD is not comletely gone.
Libido i think is the same, but sex desire seems improved when i see beautiful women. My appartment is extremely tidy because when i finally get home I'm not tired AT ALL. My brain is running on full capacity until i fall asleep. Or so it feels. Usually whem im not tired, i can just read a book, then i get tired fast. I tried it yesterday after one of the most productive days at work ever, and the only thing that happened was i read 50 pages like a machine, learning new content, before i realised my eyes hurt and it wasnt helping me get tired!
I even came up with ideas to improve my existing concepts. Good ideas!

If things keep accelerating i will take up computer programming to develop completely new skills.. That is, if i get the time.

Edited by troubleis, 09 February 2013 - 11:52 AM.

[Mr Matsubayashi]

Troubleis, I also found Cere great for breaking addiction.

[troubleis]

Troubleis, I also found Cere great for breaking addiction.

I think this is my new favourite drug.. I will need more time to evaluate. And maybe higher doses. Im only doing 5ml IM

[tdmonster99]

After two weeks (ten injections of 5ml), there's nothing to report yet.

How could you not be feeling it by now?


im sure you know cerebrolysin has a neuropeptide mix of BDNF, NGF,GDNF, and IGF-1 and 2 with a through list of amino acids, so how could your brain not be benefited by all these ingredients ?


can someone chime in on how this would be possible?

I keep seeing this statement thrown around about the neuropeptide composition of Cerebrolysin but do you have a source or citation? I'm just genuinely curious.