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Posted 09 February 2013 - 08:50 PM

After two weeks (ten injections of 5ml), there's nothing to report yet.




How could you not be feeling it by now?


im sure you know cerebrolysin has a neuropeptide mix of BDNF, NGF,GDNF, and IGF-1 and 2 with a through list of amino acids, so how could your brain not be benefited by all these ingredients ?


can someone chime in on how this would be possible?


I keep seeing this statement thrown around about the neuropeptide composition of Cerebrolysin but do you have a source or citation? I'm just genuinely curious.


http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/22229324

If I don't notice any changes in the next two weeks, I'll up the dosage to 10ml

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 02:36 PM

Well, I for sure as hell am going to use Cbl for many months, even though I don't see any improvements. Like stated before, it's not like neurogenesis happens overnight. I remember when I was a kid, it used to take a long time before I noticed intelligence gains. I.E. I wouldn't be able to understand math taught in high school at age 13. Practicing is of course a major part, but more so is neurogenesis. I'm still waiting for those first "symptoms" showing that the drug is working; more mental energy and clarity. Cognitive benefits like improved memory, logical reasoning and creativity are probably several months down the road.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 08:57 PM

Day 1
I started IM Cerebrolysin today. I am planning on using 10mL a day for a month (5 on, 2 off days) and I will be writing a report initially once everyday and after effects stabilize, once every week.

Injection was pretty painless. I injected 5mL to my left and 5mL to my right thigh. It was much easier than I thought it would be. I feel like this process will get easier and easier every time. I felt lightheaded after finishing the injection but it is not related to CERE at all. It is just the idea of injecting yourself something and neglecting to breathe because of the nature of what you're doing.

My usual daily regimen consists of Piracetam, Citicholine, ALCAR, Astaxanthin and Omega3. I didn't take any of these today and usually when I neglect taking them, cognitive decline is pretty apparent. I didn't have any cognitive decline today and I was almost on par, if not better, than I would be on the aforementioned supplements.

Most noticeably, my overall focus is better. Verbal fluency is on par with when on piracetam but it feels more natural. During my Piracetam off-days I usually have significant drops in verbal fluency. My sense of smell is extremely sensitive. There hasn't been a single minute today where I didn't notice a distinct smell. My vision seems to be broader. Feels like I can take in more sensory stimuli at once.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 11:12 PM

Day 1 - continued
I have gotten the chance to evaluate my level of anxiety in variety of social situations today. There is an obvious difference. I am calmer and ideas seem to flow easily. There is a significant boost when it comes to verbal fluency. Feels really natural overall.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 04:43 AM

Mathematical concepts are easier to grasp. Skills involved in performing monotonous tasks are acquired much faster. Mixing with stimulants (tried with dex-methylphenidate) either does nothing or negatively affects the verbal fluency while diminishing the social benefits.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 08:36 AM

2 1/2 weeks into my cycle, I seem to have redeveloped sleep maintenance insomnia whereini wake up at around 5:30 with my mind racing. I would like to know if anyone else has experienced insomnia on this, and whether or not it abated after discontinuing cere. I'm cautious to continue my cycle as the effects were shown to last for months afterwards in some models, and if insomnia also persists I'll be an absolute vegetable, which is the opposite of what I'm aiming at. #Firstworldproblems

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:21 AM

Mathematical concepts are easier to grasp. Skills involved in performing monotonous tasks are acquired much faster. Mixing with stimulants (tried with dex-methylphenidate) either does nothing or negatively affects the verbal fluency while diminishing the social benefits.


I'm having a hard time believing logical reasoning is improved after 1 injection.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 11:10 AM

Day 1
Most noticeably, my overall focus is better. Verbal fluency is on par with when on piracetam but it feels more natural. During my Piracetam off-days I usually have significant drops in verbal fluency. My sense of smell is extremely sensitive. There hasn't been a single minute today where I didn't notice a distinct smell. My vision seems to be broader. Feels like I can take in more sensory stimuli at once.

Day 1 - continued
I have gotten the chance to evaluate my level of anxiety in variety of social situations today. There is an obvious difference. I am calmer and ideas seem to flow easily. There is a significant boost when it comes to verbal fluency. Feels really natural overall.

Mathematical concepts are easier to grasp.


Placebo.

2 1/2 weeks into my cycle, I seem to have redeveloped sleep maintenance insomnia whereini wake up at around 5:30 with my mind racing. I would like to know if anyone else has experienced insomnia on this, and whether or not it abated after discontinuing cere. I'm cautious to continue my cycle as the effects were shown to last for months afterwards in some models, and if insomnia also persists I'll be an absolute vegetable, which is the opposite of what I'm aiming at. #Firstworldproblems


It can affect sleep but I am a bad test case to share my experience. People on here have said that it does disrupt their sleep but for most people it isn't that bad. Have you tried something like melatonin to negate the effects? Also try taking the crb as early in the morning as possible if you don't already do that.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 12:57 PM

2 1/2 weeks into my cycle, I seem to have redeveloped sleep maintenance insomnia whereini wake up at around 5:30 with my mind racing. I would like to know if anyone else has experienced insomnia on this, and whether or not it abated after discontinuing cere. I'm cautious to continue my cycle as the effects were shown to last for months afterwards in some models, and if insomnia also persists I'll be an absolute vegetable, which is the opposite of what I'm aiming at. #Firstworldproblems


I had that problem, taking magnesium l-threonate (a superior form of magnesium) completely fixed it. It is also a nootropic.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 02:43 PM

What dosage of magnesium l-threonate do you take? I've actually been using it to help me get back to sleep once I wake up, I just usually dont take it before sleep because paradoxically it seems to worsen my maintenance insomnia. I'll try it tonight, thanks :-)

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 04:05 PM

What dosage of magnesium l-threonate do you take? I've actually been using it to help me get back to sleep once I wake up, I just usually dont take it before sleep because paradoxically it seems to worsen my maintenance insomnia. I'll try it tonight, thanks :-)


I take one in the morning, and one a few hours before bed. I have a sleep cycle problem, so I take valerian root, melatonin, and an OTC sleep aid about three hours before I want to go to bed. When I forgot to take the magnesium for a few days, I woke up each morning around 5a with my mind racing and raring to go. Immediately upon re-adding the magnesium, this problem abruptly disappeared and has not reoccurred even once.

I never connected it to the CB though, this did occur during my last cycle (which was also my first).

My guess is that the waking up early is a sign of deficiency.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 06:05 PM

Day 1
Most noticeably, my overall focus is better. Verbal fluency is on par with when on piracetam but it feels more natural. During my Piracetam off-days I usually have significant drops in verbal fluency. My sense of smell is extremely sensitive. There hasn't been a single minute today where I didn't notice a distinct smell. My vision seems to be broader. Feels like I can take in more sensory stimuli at once.

Day 1 - continued
I have gotten the chance to evaluate my level of anxiety in variety of social situations today. There is an obvious difference. I am calmer and ideas seem to flow easily. There is a significant boost when it comes to verbal fluency. Feels really natural overall.

Mathematical concepts are easier to grasp.


Placebo.

2 1/2 weeks into my cycle, I seem to have redeveloped sleep maintenance insomnia whereini wake up at around 5:30 with my mind racing. I would like to know if anyone else has experienced insomnia on this, and whether or not it abated after discontinuing cere. I'm cautious to continue my cycle as the effects were shown to last for months afterwards in some models, and if insomnia also persists I'll be an absolute vegetable, which is the opposite of what I'm aiming at. #Firstworldproblems


It can affect sleep but I am a bad test case to share my experience. People on here have said that it does disrupt their sleep but for most people it isn't that bad. Have you tried something like melatonin to negate the effects? Also try taking the crb as early in the morning as possible if you don't already do that.


That's what I was thinking but I have never had such significant placebo. How strong this placebo effect is just shatters my expectations from placebo.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 06:23 PM

Therein, before trialling cerebrolysin I shared your disbelief at the strength of the possible strength of the placebo effect, but after 2 1/2 weeks on it I can say without a doubt that the initial 'effects' I experienced were placebo, and profound at that. I actually felt high the entire first day, with racing thoughts and massive extraversion, not unlike low dose MDMA. That's not to say I feel nothing now, but in retrospect those first few days on it were very influenced by my expectations, which were huge.

As a placebo, injected saline solution has been shown to have about double the efficacy as a painkiller than oral tablets. It's all about expectations. So this drug, that costs a lot, requires injection, and has been touted as a wonder substance would pretty much max out the placebo effect in one who buys the hype (which of course he will to some degree, after all he splashed a not-insignificant amount of cash for it).

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 06:30 PM

Therein, before trialling cerebrolysin I shared your disbelief at the strength of the possible strength of the placebo effect, but after 2 1/2 weeks on it I can say without a doubt that the initial 'effects' I experienced were placebo, and profound at that. I actually felt high the entire first day, with racing thoughts and massive extraversion, not unlike low dose MDMA. That's not to say I feel nothing now, but in retrospect those first few days on it were very influenced by my expectations, which were huge.

As a placebo, injected saline solution has been shown to have about double the efficacy as a painkiller than oral tablets. It's all about expectations. So this drug, that costs a lot, requires injection, and has been touted as a wonder substance would pretty much max out the placebo effect in one who buys the hype (which of course he will to some degree, after all he splashed a not-insignificant amount of cash for it).


That makes a lot of sense. I can see how it can merely be placebo at this point. It is just so shocking to see how big of an effect our expectations can have over what we experience.

Having used it for 2 1/2 weeks, would you say it was worth it? Did you get great benefits?

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 07:19 PM

With all this talk about placebo effects, I figured I should point out my experience.

I have experienced NONE of the effects that others here mention relating to feeling high, or getting a rush, or anything like that. I have none of this. This is after completing a month of 5 ml/day, 5x2.

I just started another cycle, this time at 10 ml/day. For these first two days I again have not had any short term positive or negative feelings or reactions.

However, this does not make me feel more skeptical of other people's reports of such things. Just because we cannot explain something does not change or influence the existence of said something.

Of course, I do think that I understand why others are getting a rush and whatnot.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 07:20 PM

So far yes I feel like it has been worth it. Some days more than others, as intermittent insomnia sometimes masks the effects, but on the days I'm feeling good I definitely notice a potent effect. However it is difficult to be a barometer in the eye of a storm. I'm sure in time I will be able to gauge my improvements with a keener eye, especially once this insomnia lifts. One thing I have noticed which takes prominence in my experience is the newly webbed nature of my thought patterns, and thus greater comprehension of ideas as more angles of attack are utilized. I also notice a greater sociability, visual acuity and verbal fluency, as well as more spontaneous associations of ideas. Hopefully I can sort this insomnia out then the true beast will be unleashed :)

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 07:29 PM

With all this talk about placebo effects, I figured I should point out my experience.

I have experienced NONE of the effects that others here mention relating to feeling high, or getting a rush, or anything like that. I have none of this. This is after completing a month of 5 ml/day, 5x2.

I just started another cycle, this time at 10 ml/day. For these first two days I again have not had any short term positive or negative feelings or reactions.

However, this does not make me feel more skeptical of other people's reports of such things. Just because we cannot explain something does not change or influence the existence of said something.

Of course, I do think that I understand why others are getting a rush and whatnot.


Where are you injecting ? You seem to be one of the first non-responders...

So far yes I feel like it has been worth it. Some days more than others, as intermittent insomnia sometimes masks the effects, but on the days I'm feeling good I definitely notice a potent effect. However it is difficult to be a barometer in the eye of a storm. I'm sure in time I will be able to gauge my improvements with a keener eye, especially once this insomnia lifts. One thing I have noticed which takes prominence in my experience is the newly webbed nature of my thought patterns, and thus greater comprehension of ideas as more angles of attack are utilized. I also notice a greater sociability, visual acuity and verbal fluency, as well as more spontaneous associations of ideas. Hopefully I can sort this insomnia out then the true beast will be unleashed :)


I had sleeping issues on cerebrolysin after 3rd week. Melatonine helped me. Did not try magnesium

So far yes I feel like it has been worth it. Some days more than others, as intermittent insomnia sometimes masks the effects, but on the days I'm feeling good I definitely notice a potent effect. However it is difficult to be a barometer in the eye of a storm. I'm sure in time I will be able to gauge my improvements with a keener eye, especially once this insomnia lifts. One thing I have noticed which takes prominence in my experience is the newly webbed nature of my thought patterns, and thus greater comprehension of ideas as more angles of attack are utilized. I also notice a greater sociability, visual acuity and verbal fluency, as well as more spontaneous associations of ideas. Hopefully I can sort this insomnia out then the true beast will be unleashed :)


I had sleeping issues on cerebrolysin after 3rd week. Melatonine helped me. Did not try magnesium

So far yes I feel like it has been worth it. Some days more than others, as intermittent insomnia sometimes masks the effects, but on the days I'm feeling good I definitely notice a potent effect. However it is difficult to be a barometer in the eye of a storm. I'm sure in time I will be able to gauge my improvements with a keener eye, especially once this insomnia lifts. One thing I have noticed which takes prominence in my experience is the newly webbed nature of my thought patterns, and thus greater comprehension of ideas as more angles of attack are utilized. I also notice a greater sociability, visual acuity and verbal fluency, as well as more spontaneous associations of ideas. Hopefully I can sort this insomnia out then the true beast will be unleashed :)


I had sleeping issues on cerebrolysin after 3rd week. Melatonine helped me. Did not try magnesium

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 07:32 PM

@SunshineFrost

Would you reccomend 10ml and IV if there is not any effects felt after 2 or 3 weeks?
Instead of the more typical 5ml IM routine?

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 08:02 PM

I should point out that my experiences might be atypical or more pronounced than others as I've abused the fuck out of my nervous system for most of my young life.

Wrt to 'highs', perhaps there are different formulations of CBL, some with narcotic properties? Or it could just be placebo. OR as it appears randomly it could be when a vein is hit and it directly enters the bloodstream. I don't bother to aspirate as if it hits a vein all the more cbl for me:)

With all this talk about placebo effects, I figured I should point out my experience.

I have experienced NONE of the effects that others here mention relating to feeling high, or getting a rush, or anything like that. I have none of this. This is after completing a month of 5 ml/day, 5x2.

I just started another cycle, this time at 10 ml/day. For these first two days I again have not had any short term positive or negative feelings or reactions.

However, this does not make me feel more skeptical of other people's reports of such things. Just because we cannot explain something does not change or influence the existence of said something.

Of course, I do think that I understand why others are getting a rush and whatnot.


Where are you injecting ? You seem to be one of the first non-responders...

So far yes I feel like it has been worth it. Some days more than others, as intermittent insomnia sometimes masks the effects, but on the days I'm feeling good I definitely notice a potent effect. However it is difficult to be a barometer in the eye of a storm. I'm sure in time I will be able to gauge my improvements with a keener eye, especially once this insomnia lifts. One thing I have noticed which takes prominence in my experience is the newly webbed nature of my thought patterns, and thus greater comprehension of ideas as more angles of attack are utilized. I also notice a greater sociability, visual acuity and verbal fluency, as well as more spontaneous associations of ideas. Hopefully I can sort this insomnia out then the true beast will be unleashed :)


I had sleeping issues on cerebrolysin after 3rd week. Melatonine helped me. Did not try magnesium

So far yes I feel like it has been worth it. Some days more than others, as intermittent insomnia sometimes masks the effects, but on the days I'm feeling good I definitely notice a potent effect. However it is difficult to be a barometer in the eye of a storm. I'm sure in time I will be able to gauge my improvements with a keener eye, especially once this insomnia lifts. One thing I have noticed which takes prominence in my experience is the newly webbed nature of my thought patterns, and thus greater comprehension of ideas as more angles of attack are utilized. I also notice a greater sociability, visual acuity and verbal fluency, as well as more spontaneous associations of ideas. Hopefully I can sort this insomnia out then the true beast will be unleashed :)


I had sleeping issues on cerebrolysin after 3rd week. Melatonine helped me. Did not try magnesium

So far yes I feel like it has been worth it. Some days more than others, as intermittent insomnia sometimes masks the effects, but on the days I'm feeling good I definitely notice a potent effect. However it is difficult to be a barometer in the eye of a storm. I'm sure in time I will be able to gauge my improvements with a keener eye, especially once this insomnia lifts. One thing I have noticed which takes prominence in my experience is the newly webbed nature of my thought patterns, and thus greater comprehension of ideas as more angles of attack are utilized. I also notice a greater sociability, visual acuity and verbal fluency, as well as more spontaneous associations of ideas. Hopefully I can sort this insomnia out then the true beast will be unleashed :)


I had sleeping issues on cerebrolysin after 3rd week. Melatonine helped me. Did not try magnesium


Did the insomnia disappear after your cycle?

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:37 PM

@SunshineFrost

Would you reccomend 10ml and IV if there is not any effects felt after 2 or 3 weeks?
Instead of the more typical 5ml IM routine?


Cere definitly seems to be dose dependant. I've never tried 10 ml because 5 was always sufficient, and never tried iv..... I'm guessing 5 ml is enough but 10 ml may cut your loading phase down. How many doses did you take exactly ?

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:45 PM

I should point out that my experiences might be atypical or more pronounced than others as I've abused the fuck out of my nervous system for most of my young life.

Wrt to 'highs', perhaps there are different formulations of CBL, some with narcotic properties? Or it could just be placebo. OR as it appears randomly it could be when a vein is hit and it directly enters the bloodstream. I don't bother to aspirate as if it hits a vein all the more cbl for me:)

With all this talk about placebo effects, I figured I should point out my experience.

I have experienced NONE of the effects that others here mention relating to feeling high, or getting a rush, or anything like that. I have none of this. This is after completing a month of 5 ml/day, 5x2.

I just started another cycle, this time at 10 ml/day. For these first two days I again have not had any short term positive or negative feelings or reactions.

However, this does not make me feel more skeptical of other people's reports of such things. Just because we cannot explain something does not change or influence the existence of said something.

Of course, I do think that I understand why others are getting a rush and whatnot.


Where are you injecting ? You seem to be one of the first non-responders...

So far yes I feel like it has been worth it. Some days more than others, as intermittent insomnia sometimes masks the effects, but on the days I'm feeling good I definitely notice a potent effect. However it is difficult to be a barometer in the eye of a storm. I'm sure in time I will be able to gauge my improvements with a keener eye, especially once this insomnia lifts. One thing I have noticed which takes prominence in my experience is the newly webbed nature of my thought patterns, and thus greater comprehension of ideas as more angles of attack are utilized. I also notice a greater sociability, visual acuity and verbal fluency, as well as more spontaneous associations of ideas. Hopefully I can sort this insomnia out then the true beast will be unleashed :)


I had sleeping issues on cerebrolysin after 3rd week. Melatonine helped me. Did not try magnesium

So far yes I feel like it has been worth it. Some days more than others, as intermittent insomnia sometimes masks the effects, but on the days I'm feeling good I definitely notice a potent effect. However it is difficult to be a barometer in the eye of a storm. I'm sure in time I will be able to gauge my improvements with a keener eye, especially once this insomnia lifts. One thing I have noticed which takes prominence in my experience is the newly webbed nature of my thought patterns, and thus greater comprehension of ideas as more angles of attack are utilized. I also notice a greater sociability, visual acuity and verbal fluency, as well as more spontaneous associations of ideas. Hopefully I can sort this insomnia out then the true beast will be unleashed :)


I had sleeping issues on cerebrolysin after 3rd week. Melatonine helped me. Did not try magnesium

So far yes I feel like it has been worth it. Some days more than others, as intermittent insomnia sometimes masks the effects, but on the days I'm feeling good I definitely notice a potent effect. However it is difficult to be a barometer in the eye of a storm. I'm sure in time I will be able to gauge my improvements with a keener eye, especially once this insomnia lifts. One thing I have noticed which takes prominence in my experience is the newly webbed nature of my thought patterns, and thus greater comprehension of ideas as more angles of attack are utilized. I also notice a greater sociability, visual acuity and verbal fluency, as well as more spontaneous associations of ideas. Hopefully I can sort this insomnia out then the true beast will be unleashed :)


I had sleeping issues on cerebrolysin after 3rd week. Melatonine helped me. Did not try magnesium


Did the insomnia disappear after your cycle?


Though not that big of a deal, I've always had sleep issues. Cerebrolysin agravates it sometimes. If i take it late in the day then i'm screwed and i need malatonine. but it does return to normal when the cycle is completed. Even if my average sleep hours decrease slighty with cere, i still wake up fresh and rested most of the time

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 08:44 AM

Day 2
Initial incredible effects subsided. As mentioned, it probably was placebo. Today I added piracetam, ALCAR, astaxanthin and citicholine back to my stack. No side effects. I noticed I was able to concentrate on stuff more easily than usual. I recently was having hard time paying attention to anything, even on CNS stimulants such as methylphenidate and amphetamines. This was especially apparent when it came to reading. I just wasn't able to get myself to read anything. This seems to have changed.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 01:50 PM

Can I get a general consensus on this one - is it better to take CB on an empty or full stomach?

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 02:55 PM

I substracted Piracetam from the equation today.. 2400mg
If anything, I'm more "wired".

@SunshineFrost
Im still cycling.
Im on my 10'th vial of 5ML



I was thinking to try 10ml, and go IV.
Anyone have any experience of the complications concerning IV? Do you use Saline? If not, how long do you take to inject? and how often do you use the same arterie? And all other relavant info. Please chime in :)

Edited by troubleis, 14 February 2013 - 02:57 PM.


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Posted 14 February 2013 - 03:02 PM

Have anyone of you picked up a new music appreceation while on Cere?
I find myself listening to Chopin and Beethoven many hours a day while at work(thanks, Youtube:) I dont really notice the music because it is ambient, but it is soothing to have playing in the background.

Jazz and Classical music traditionally has been the only main genres i dont like. For classical music this has changed dramatically during the last 2 weeks. Maybe it's like coffee or wine, an acquired taste.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 07:34 PM

2 1/2 weeks into my cycle, I seem to have redeveloped sleep maintenance insomnia whereini wake up at around 5:30 with my mind racing. I would like to know if anyone else has experienced insomnia on this, and whether or not it abated after discontinuing cere. I'm cautious to continue my cycle as the effects were shown to last for months afterwards in some models, and if insomnia also persists I'll be an absolute vegetable, which is the opposite of what I'm aiming at. #Firstworldproblems


I had that problem, taking magnesium l-threonate (a superior form of magnesium) completely fixed it. It is also a nootropic.


LOL! This is exactly what happens to me every time I take cerebrolysin nowadays (waking up at around 5 am that is).. Neither melatonin or antihistamines have been able to resolve this problem, only GABAergics. So I'm very interested to see if magnesium may help. What dosage are you taking if I may ask? And any idea on how much magnesium citrate one would have to take? Yeah I know l-threonate is more bio-available but the citrate form would probably do just fine if you find the correct dosage..

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 10:32 PM

@ sunshinefrost :

Where are you injecting ? You seem to be one of the first non-responders...


I'm NOT a non-responder. I just have never experienced any of the other short term effects that others report. And I inject IM into the thigh.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 12:58 PM

Probably going for 20x 10ml IM or IV combined with daily melatonin + thc/cbd, maybe microdoses of piracetam (600mg). I'll let you guys know my progress.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 05:07 PM

Hugely interested in this. I have tried Pira, Alcar, melatonin and a bit of noots more, was thinking in MB, B12, Rhodiola, Aswhagandha, Bacopa, Licorice root and some more... but now giving a big step directly onto CRB, need a mind and even an emotional/motivational boost, have no time now to be experimenting with various minor nootropics, at least for now. I need to be able RIGHT NOW to put some order in my life, hope this helps.

Yet not sure on my schedule dosage, maybe the classic four weeks 5 days on / 2 days off, maybe the every other day until 20 injections are done. Was thinking too, trying 25 5 ml injections instead the 20, as I have a really bad overall situation, to get the maximum benefits. This would be five weeks five days a week, or 50 days, every other day. Wich option is better in your opinion?

I have seen in gerovital shop, 5x5 ml costs 35 euros, while 5x10 ml costs 55 euros. That is the question. Is there a way of getting the 10 ml vials instead the 5 ml and dividing each vial in two 5 ml doses? How could I store the other dose? Multidose vials?
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 07:41 PM

Anyone noticed that sugar hurts performance?

Perhaps even coffee seems to disrupt my drive and motivation it seems.

Hugely interested in this. I have tried Pira, Alcar, melatonin and a bit of noots more, was thinking in MB, B12, Rhodiola, Aswhagandha, Bacopa, Licorice root and some more... but now giving a big step directly onto CRB, need a mind and even an emotional/motivational boost, have no time now to be experimenting with various minor nootropics, at least for now. I need to be able RIGHT NOW to put some order in my life, hope this helps.

Yet not sure on my schedule dosage, maybe the classic four weeks 5 days on / 2 days off, maybe the every other day until 20 injections are done. Was thinking too, trying 25 5 ml injections instead the 20, as I have a really bad overall situation, to get the maximum benefits. This would be five weeks five days a week, or 50 days, every other day. Wich option is better in your opinion?

I have seen in gerovital shop, 5x5 ml costs 35 euros, while 5x10 ml costs 55 euros. That is the question. Is there a way of getting the 10 ml vials instead the 5 ml and dividing each vial in two 5 ml doses? How could I store the other dose? Multidose vials?


I would not recommend it, but the easiest thing to do was to load 2 5ml pumps each time you cracked a vial.
Other option would be to buy empty sterile containers to hold the last 5ml. Not sure if the process would be more sterile than just loading 2 syringes at a time.
Third option would be to inject 10ml by IV




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