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[sunshinefrost]

I.M. injections are riduculously easy once you do them a few times. They're even easy the first few times, once the nerves are settled! Actually it's a little unnerving how quickly one comes to find it an utterly ordinary, even mildly enjoyable ritual. The results are absolutely worth it man. There's nothing like Cerebrolysin out at the moment. It's been the backbone of my cognitive enhancement. Other noots are essentially peripheral.

Its what i've been saying all along
Have you noticed any improvements related to working memory or reflexes ?

[Sholrak]

Impatience quickly growing!

I've decided not using filter needles, maybe only for this time. Next course I will make sure to count on some of them. This sounds absolutely crazy to me, what I'm about to do...

So, if don't filter, do I need a 18 gauge needle to aspirate from ampoule or I could do it with the 25G? There could be a difference by the light of needle on how many potentially dangerous micro shard pieces come into the syringe?

[OpaqueMind]

I think my working memories improved a bit, but I haven't noticed much in the way of reflexes. Although I haven't been playing sports as much as usual. I did notice a massive increase in my ability to remember things in general, and also better associational abilities, pretty much the cornerstones of effective mental abilities! Hopefully I'll notice more improvements in my working memory once I've sorted my sleeping out. Today's my last day of my first proper full cycle of cere, and my sleep's been a bit impacted although my ability to deal with less than optimal sleep has also increased. Back to the CBT-I to fix my sleep, then I'll be superhuman again! Oh frabjous day, what an endeavour we've gotten ourselves into NOOOOOOTS<3

[OpaqueMind]

Impatience quickly growing!

I've decided not using filter needles, maybe only for this time. Next course I will make sure to count on some of them. This sounds absolutely crazy to me, what I'm about to do...

So, if don't filter, do I need a 18 gauge needle to aspirate from ampoule or I could do it with the 25G? There could be a difference by the light of needle on how many potentially dangerous micro shard pieces come into the syringe?

I'm pretty sure you don't need to use filter needles if you use a thin enough gauge. The official Cerebrolysin ampoules from everpharma don't even leave any shards in the material, it's been a clean break on every amp i've used (~30 so far). I both extract the Cere from the amp and inject it with the same needle, which is a 25G. You want to aspirate with the thinnest needle you have, which'll be a 25G. You shouldn't need the 18G (unless you're some kind of masochist).

Mr Matisthingy earlier in the thread posted a good guide to injections, check it out. I particularly found the advice to hold the ampoue at 20 degrees inverted helped to extract all the material. You won't spill any the surface tension holds it in. Other than that, also aspirate slowly from the amp, otherwise you'll form a lot of bubbles which will take ages to flick out.

Good luck!

[Rior]

Jesus fuck 18G needle would be terrifying. I use an 18G to draw cere out of the ampule, I cannot begin to fathom putting that into my body. I use a 23G for the injection.

Now that I'm commenting on this thread again, I figured I'd bring up what I'm currently doing in regards to Cerebroslyin. I haven't used it for about 3 months now, but I have about 12 5mL doses left. I noticed extreme improvements when I was using cere, largely in the context of increased critical thinking and anxiolysis. Did not notice a ton regarding memory. Now, here's what I'm currently doing to get myself ready to finish off my cere: I'm taking Tenoten, an antibody to the s100B protein. I've had a lot of concussions, and this protein seems to be elevated in people who have had any kind of neurological damage or stress. What I've noticed thus far: Tenoten calms my mind tremendously, and makes me feel NORMAL. Surprisingly, it has done this better than I think any other supplement I have ever taken. I can speak in calm sentences, I can think clearly, I am not anxious, and I feel like a normal human being again.

But the purpose behind this: I see elevated levels of the s100B protein as "walls" keeping your neurons from growing. In regular amounts, s100B acts as a very minor neurotrophic molecule. In large quantities, it seems to induce neural APOPTOSIS. If you have elevated levels of s100B, I would believe that the cere effects would not be as effective. I'm thinking I'll notice the permanent cerebrolysin effects best, after I go through a month to 2 month regimen of Tenoten. I'll update this as I go.

[Izan]

opaquemind, how much are you using?

[Flex]

@ OpaqueMind and prior Users.

I´ve read your comments about the no need of the ampoule filtration,
and this made me worry.

Therefore I wanted to share some Informations.

So i´ve searched the Web for Medical opinions about the Filteration and found a German Company
who actually sells those filters.

http://www.bbraun.co...id=PRID00003096
http://www.bbraun.de...id=PRID00003071








( I know that these Informations may not be so Objective. But its the only "Legit" Information that i´ve found.

a nother Option would be to ask a Doctor, which, in my view, would be the propest and rational way)

I copyed some images from the PDF file of the company above, wich are unfortunaetly in german language.

wich shows glas particles in mu size and the Costs and possible Health consequences, including the costs of treatment in Euro and Symptoms !

Furthermore the third image shows how to open safely a ampoule.

The Company says that the ISO Norm 8536-4 recommends a partikle-filter with a minimal pore size of 15 μm (mu) to protect the Patient.

I´ve ordered recently Cerebrolysine form Superhumangear.com and ordered the whole equipment too, so as i´ve researched for my own it seemed to me important to share this information.

By the way could anybody tell me, if Superhumangear is Legit ??

Hope that you excuse my English :-)

[Rior]

Yeah AFAIC, even if people say there's a negligible risk of glass particulates, why even take the risk? The monetary cost isn't tremendously more to simply protect yourself with one extra step!

[Flex]

Oh I´ve forgott something:

The filters that i´ve bought is called:



Sterifix® Injektionsfilter 0,2 µm Injektion


BTW: a greater pore size would be needed, if cerebrolysin would contain fat,
but i´ve forgot the size i think it should be about 1.5 mu meters but im not shure.
therefore would, as far as i know the poresize of 0,2 mu meters fit.

And this for the Lawyers:

I want to clarify that i dont make any advertising for this company above nor that I convince to consume/use Crerebrolysin... or something else !

i couldnt find any other sources and products, therefore i choose this from the company above.

It was in my view an Important Hint to help to prevent any possible harm.

In my view its clearly recommendable to do this by a Doctor.
Because e.g. mistakes wich leads to injecting air in the cardiovascular system, could be deadly!



yeah right, one filter costs only about 2 Euro.
this isnt expensive at all.

Yeah AFAIC, even if people say there's a negligible risk of glass particulates, why even take the risk? The monetary cost isn't tremendously more to simply protect yourself with one extra step!

yeah right, one filter costs only about 2 Euro.
this isnt expensive at all.

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By the way could anybody tell me, if Superhumangear is Legit ??

[daouda]

Superhumangear legit but way too expensive

[Flex]

Thanks for the fast response.

Could you or somebody else pelase tell me some Vendors/Sellers who is cheaper ?

[Sholrak]

Impatience quickly growing!

I've decided not using filter needles, maybe only for this time. Next course I will make sure to count on some of them. This sounds absolutely crazy to me, what I'm about to do...

So, if don't filter, do I need a 18 gauge needle to aspirate from ampoule or I could do it with the 25G? There could be a difference by the light of needle on how many potentially dangerous micro shard pieces come into the syringe?

I'm pretty sure you don't need to use filter needles if you use a thin enough gauge. The official Cerebrolysin ampoules from everpharma don't even leave any shards in the material, it's been a clean break on every amp i've used (~30 so far). I both extract the Cere from the amp and inject it with the same needle, which is a 25G. You want to aspirate with the thinnest needle you have, which'll be a 25G. You shouldn't need the 18G (unless you're some kind of masochist).

Mr Matisthingy earlier in the thread posted a good guide to injections, check it out. I particularly found the advice to hold the ampoue at 20 degrees inverted helped to extract all the material. You won't spill any the surface tension holds it in. Other than that, also aspirate slowly from the amp, otherwise you'll form a lot of bubbles which will take ages to flick out.

Good luck!

Wasn't going to there be masochism in extracting the Cere with a 18 g and them switching at a 25 g xD I wanted to know if aspirating the medicine from the break ampule with a 18 g would exert some kind of 'filter' more than the 25 G. I would mind to pin with such a huge gauge.

Anyway, won't folter, so what difference there is? Ordered only 25g, Waiting to the arrival.

[daouda]

I'll say it again : you absolutely do not need a filter with cere. I've done more than 45 injections of this thing using a 18G needle for extraction and a 25G for injection at various sites (deltoids, quadriceps, glutes) without ever a single problem. The professionals that use it in austria do not filter it either. Don't know why some of you you guys insist on that filter thing being a good idea with cere. It's not, only a totally useless waste of time and money (yeah do the math it does add up).
Also, you can aspire FAST from the amp with the 18G, you will get some bubbles which will be easily flicked away, leaving only "micro-bubbles" that DO NOT MATTER AT ALL. Please hire a licensed nurse for one injection and see if she bothers with all these paranoid and time wasting "precautions".

Again, IM injections of CERE are NOT A BIG DEAL, just snap ampoule, draw cere with 18G fast, flick serynge, switch to 25G needle, make sure you have a "big nerve"-free site, sanitize your skin, pin swiftly (no need to take ages to dig the needle in), aspire to check if hit a vein, inject at moderate speed and that's it, it should not take you more than 5-8 minutes total!!!

Edited by daouda, 29 April 2013 - 09:00 PM.

[lourdaud]

Hm, how do you think ketosis would affect he effects of cerebrolysin, considering how cerebrolysin enhances glucose uptake?

[OpaqueMind]

I was eating low carb, probably on the verge of ketosis when I started Cere, and had sugar cravings, which I never usually have. This indicates that enhanced glucose uptake occurs whether or not you have surplus glucose levels, and therefore being in ketosis probably won't hinder the effects. I'd refrain from any anaerobic exercise and get your carb level up to just below ketosis exit (which I think is around 50grams). Sweet potatoes are a tasty and relatively clean source.

Edited by OpaqueMind, 02 May 2013 - 09:34 PM.

[csrpj]

Does anybody have idea on how to hired a nurse to do a one-time IM administration/supervision (such that one can continue solo on future days)? I'm assuming (in the US, anyway) that most doctors one would normally go to wouldn't be willing to do this. Anybody tried this or use an alternative service to get someone experienced to show them once?

[therein]

It is much easier than you think it is and it gets ridiculously simple after a couple of times. You might get a little light headed the first time because there is this mental block of injecting something but that mental block is entirely gone after a couple of times. Just buy the equipment and give it a try. I'm not even exaggerating how simple it is.

This video is all you need:

Edited by therein, 02 May 2013 - 10:48 PM.

[Sholrak]

I got my Cere. Ordered 24 april. Very fast deliver, can't complain. The boxes are in greek or lithuanian, I'm not sure.

Now waiting for the rest of stuff, I hope it doesn't take an etternity

[therein]

It must be Lithuanian if you ordered from NootropicEU.

I have 5x5mL and 2x10mL Cerebrolysin that I bought from them and it looks like I won't be using it. I live in the US and am willing to ship it to whoever is interested. You can pay with PayPal or Bitcoins. I would accept personal checks and money orders too but I will be moving soon and I want to streamline the process as much as possible.

I can sell the entire thing (2x10mL + 5x5mL) for 80$ + shipping. Let me know if you are interested. I also have the syringes and needles I bought for this and haven't used. I'll give them away too.

[ayaboga]

sorry if this has been already covered, by any general consensus on the efficacy of 5 ml vs 10 ml?

[medievil]

How is this stuff metabolised? thinking black pepper with the baby aspirin version of 1ml

[Ben]

I'll say it again : you absolutely do not need a filter with cere. I've done more than 45 injections of this thing using a 18G needle for extraction and a 25G for injection at various sites (deltoids, quadriceps, glutes) without ever a single problem. The professionals that use it in austria do not filter it either. Don't know why some of you you guys insist on that filter thing being a good idea with cere. It's not, only a totally useless waste of time and money (yeah do the math it does add up).
Also, you can aspire FAST from the amp with the 18G, you will get some bubbles which will be easily flicked away, leaving only "micro-bubbles" that DO NOT MATTER AT ALL. Please hire a licensed nurse for one injection and see if she bothers with all these paranoid and time wasting "precautions".

Again, IM injections of CERE are NOT A BIG DEAL, just snap ampoule, draw cere with 18G fast, flick serynge, switch to 25G needle, make sure you have a "big nerve"-free site, sanitize your skin, pin swiftly (no need to take ages to dig the needle in), aspire to check if hit a vein, inject at moderate speed and that's it, it should not take you more than 5-8 minutes total!!!

And microscopic glass shards?

[daouda]

Well, again, they do not seem to be a problem with CERE ampoules (they break clean anyway). That's real-world experience (not only mine) that says this, but if you want to be extra careful and waste extra time and money for a hypothetical concern, then by all means do as you like, peace of mind has no price.

[CatChelator]

There are plenty of studies showing that glass particulars are present in the solution after the ampoule is opened. I read a study where rabbits lungs were damaged due to glass shards from injections. On the other hand, I asked a nurse at my GPs if they ever use filter needles with glass ampoules and she thought I was crazy. They never do in Australia, she said filters are only used when working with blood. I haven't been using filter needles, but might next time I cycle. No reason to take any more risks than are necessary.

[daouda]

On the other hand, I asked a nurse at my GPs if they ever use filter needles with glass ampoules and she thought I was crazy. They never do in Australia, she said filters are only used when working with blood

Same thing in France, and in Austria (where CERE is from and mostly used etc). I also bet you that NONE of the human studies with CERE involved filter needles.

No reason to take any more risks than are necessary.

Do you really think the docs, nurses etc administering the stuff to patients and subjects in clinical research in a hospital environment are taking any more risk than necessary?? Don't you think there rather is no reason to be more zealous than the health professionals that actually usually rather take more precautions than really necessary??

[Sholrak]

There are plenty of studies showing that glass particulars are present in the solution after the ampoule is opened. I read a study where rabbits lungs were damaged due to glass shards from injections. On the other hand, I asked a nurse at my GPs if they ever use filter needles with glass ampoules and she thought I was crazy. They never do in Australia, she said filters are only used when working with blood. I haven't been using filter needles, but might next time I cycle. No reason to take any more risks than are necessary.

That's what I was thinking. The damaged lungs, liver... occur after the shard going into bloodstream, but what happens to them injected in muscle? The abscess theory is logical but I will play hard this course, between this and the next I will try to find some truth about that.

Starting...

[Mr Matsubayashi]

http://www.theaustra...y-1226618605790

"Dank said he discussed "at length" the use of Hexarelin with Hird, and said players were given Alzheimer's drug Cerebrolysin, which extracted from pigs' brains and increases alertness."

Hello 2014 poisons standard....

[Sholrak]

First shot today!

Was easy, and I hope to have performed a Im injection. Don't know if hit gluteus medius or gluteus minus, although I required 3 or 4 pines (only the definitive was deep, the rest was a "test"). Once in (ventrogluteal site), injected slowly, no dizziness, nausea, just more sweat. No pain, just some discomfort in the muscle now (which means I have done it well, I guess).

Had felt a lightheaded effect for one or two hours. And for effect, I have noticed something, at least curious for a time. I was eating and watching TV, and for moments, it looked like I started remembering how I felt when I was in highschool, and when I came home to lunch. Well, I have had 'flashes', was me eating in 2013 but I could feel like if I was younger, maybe at ?-18 age. Strange but cool feeling. I have been able to recognize that, the only thing perhaps.

But, however, it could be placebo. I'll wait to feel the effect definitely to assure that.

[sunshinefrost]

Definitly a strong placebo keep updating !

Here is a new study that came out may 8th. If you had a head injury and you have cerebrolysin, you may be less impacted thank you would be supposed to. I should keep a reserve handy.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....ubmed/23656173/

Edited by sunshinefrost, 10 May 2013 - 04:42 PM.

[CatChelator]

http://www.theaustra...y-1226618605790

"Dank said he discussed "at length" the use of Hexarelin with Hird, and said players were given Alzheimer's drug Cerebrolysin, which extracted from pigs' brains and increases alertness."

Hello 2014 poisons standard....

Yeah, I saw Cerebrolysin on the front page of our daily (linked to sports doping scandal) one week after I started my cycle. Not ideal having it in the public eye like that.