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[Sholrak]

I've heard many comment on the ventrogluteal being a good site for injection but as many reaffirmations as I see, I still think I would be scared to try injecting there. This is the best video I've found documenting where to find the site:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZztBrC72TLY

Any comments on this?

After feeling around in that area, it almost feels like gap between two bony parts where the top of the gap forms a 'u' or an 'n' shape where you can kind of stick your finger if you're not stressing the muscle.

That indication is OK. Look at these images



Those are the muscles aiming. You can see the illiac crest and the femur's trochanter, they will work as a reference to know where injecting. Inject in a dart motion after trespassing the skin, and in a 90º angle shot to the muscle.

It's easy, you just need to do it calmly and without fear and everything will be easy.

[Passion]

Sholrak, you seem to have had excellent results. Did you dose 10mgs or 5mgs at a time? I think I'm going to put in the order soon and just buy the rest of the needed equipment at the pharmacy.

[Sholrak]

Yes I've had :D

I have not tested 10 ml in one day, as the recommended max. fluid volume injection in one muscle is 5 ml. For more quantity, I should go IV myself an that's simply something I'm not gonna try.



I am now more that 10 days without it, and there's not much of a dependence with this (just psychological, and it's completely controllable). Effects remain strongly, and now I can get up in the morning with strange easiness, very rested.

Is this related to some REM/Sleep quality improvement? I am having also more delightful dreams, more meaningful and have the impression they 'teach' and guide me more daily (strange to explain again )

I read some time ago, some disorders, (specially ASD's) could be related to an improper REM sleep phase or deepness, apparently essential to some brain structures to mature properly by the years. I always have had a BAD sleep quality and this seems to have improved that a lot, if it's not the most noticeable effect.

[blind12]

I really want to jump in on this but I have a few questions for the community.

1) There seems to be some inconsistency in the results posted along this thread. I'm trying to look for patterns in usage or demographics that can help me understand the differences. First: age. Has anyone under 30 seen this work well for them? Second: injection site. Where have some of the responders/non-responders injected?

3) Has anyone considered the possibility of acquiring a disease from this animal-derived solution? How are we sure there won't be any viruses (prions) or bacteria in the solution?

Why is he so concerned about Lithunian Cere? Should I be concerned about ordering from NootropicEU?

1) IIRC it was ApoE dependent, the "Alzheimer/concussion-fragile variant" ApoE4 didn't benefit much.

I haven't noticed any effect so far, then again I have only used 110ml, 5ml/day, intramuscular, into glutes. And I never feel anything from 99% of stuff. I just assume they do sth good quietly in the background.

Also, I haven't tested my ApoE. Previous concussion damage may suggest I have ApoE4 which leads to greater susceptibility to damage in case of concussion.

3) Pigs appear to be prion-resistant. Perhaps it's related to the fact that they are omnivores so it's normal for them to eat processed remains of each other, other animals, organic waste, and dead humans. Unlike cows and sheep.

If there were bacteria, they would thrive in this perfect growth medium, so the results would be visible by the time you open the package.

Not sure about virii.


b) Nobody in their right mind would fake a product and add a Lithuanian label, so such a label definitely adds a degree of safety.
So does nootropic.eu's customer service.

But the boxes do come without holograms and the like, the batch numbers on boxes have been identical, and there aren't any other identifiers.
Has Ever Neuro Pharma stopped using holograms? A Russian Ever Neuro Pharma box I once received did have holograms. I'd trust Lithuanian boxes more of course.

Edited by blind12, 25 July 2013 - 05:55 PM.

[NootropicEU]

I really want to jump in on this but I have a few questions for the community.

1) There seems to be some inconsistency in the results posted along this thread. I'm trying to look for patterns in usage or demographics that can help me understand the differences. First: age. Has anyone under 30 seen this work well for them? Second: injection site. Where have some of the responders/non-responders injected?

3) Has anyone considered the possibility of acquiring a disease from this animal-derived solution? How are we sure there won't be any viruses (prions) or bacteria in the solution?

Why is he so concerned about Lithunian Cere? Should I be concerned about ordering from NootropicEU?

1) IIRC it was ApoE dependent, the "Alzheimer/concussion-fragile variant" ApoE4 didn't benefit much.

I haven't noticed any effect so far, then again I have only used 110ml, 5ml/day, intramuscular, into glutes. And I never feel anything from 99% of stuff. I just assume they do sth good quietly in the background.

Also, I haven't tested my ApoE. Previous concussion damage may suggest I have ApoE4 which leads to greater susceptibility to damage in case of concussion.

3) Pigs appear to be prion-resistant. Perhaps it's related to the fact that they are omnivores so it's normal for them to eat processed remains of each other, other animals, organic waste, and dead humans. Unlike cows and sheep.

If there were bacteria, they would thrive in this perfect growth medium, so the results would be visible by the time you open the package.

Not sure about virii.


b) Nobody in their right mind would fake a product and add a Lithuanian label, so such a label definitely adds a degree of safety.
So does nootropic.eu's customer service.

But the boxes do come without holograms and the like, the batch numbers on boxes have been identical, and there aren't any other identifiers.
Has Ever Neuro Pharma stopped using holograms? A Russian Ever Neuro Pharma box I once received did have holograms. I'd trust Lithuanian boxes more of course.

I have checked images of new Cerebrolysin packages made for various EU countries. It seems that they no longer use holograms.

[AwesomeName]

Has anyone in Canada had problems getting cerebrolysin sent to them?

I'm about to order some and I don't want to have any issues.

I just tried to get a bunch of dmps sent here(4 month supply) and it was refused by customs.

Here are the laws for importing prescription and herbal medications.
http://www.cbsa-asfc...19-9-1-eng.html

Is cerebrolysin and chemicals like it technically allowed to be imported?

Thanks.

[stillwater]

I've been meaning to make a post so this is probably a good time. I reside in Canada and placed an order through nootropic.eu , they were very quick and shipped my order within 48 hours, good service all round, but it did wind up getting held in customs. Canada customs held my cerebro for 6 weeks before releasing it. For awhile there I was starting to think they weren't going to. So don't be overly surprised if you see a delay.

I am now a little past half way through what I plan to be a 4 week cycle. I take 5mg a day, injected in the morning, 25gauge - 1.5". It wasn't until around the 7-8th injection that I began to feel anything. Mostly a more positive mood or antidepressant effect that others have frequently noted. maybe a 3 out of 5, but nothing too much cognitively, definitely no improvement in memory or execution. It has affected my sleep, much lighter, but I'm used to that off and on over the years, so it doesn't bother me. No change in appetite or libido.

Tomorrow will be my 13th injection, I am hoping to get better results in the coming injections, but we'll see. Maybe of slight interest to some but I am also taking carbon C60 but haven't noticed any interaction between the two so far.

I am in my 40's, 6'2" and 200lbs mostly muscle, no excess fat. As I noted earlier in this thread I do have a history of anxiety and panic disorder but in now way so far has cerebro negatively affected either disorder. It hasn't reduced my anxiety as it seems to for many others, but I'm just happy it hasn't worsened it.

[NootropicEU]

I've been meaning to make a post so this is probably a good time. I reside in Canada and placed an order through nootropic.eu , they were very quick and shipped my order within 48 hours, good service all round, but it did wind up getting held in customs. Canada customs held my cerebro for 6 weeks before releasing it. For awhile there I was starting to think they weren't going to. So don't be overly surprised if you see a delay.

I am now a little past half way through what I plan to be a 4 week cycle. I take 5mg a day, injected in the morning, 25gauge - 1.5". It wasn't until around the 7-8th injection that I began to feel anything. Mostly a more positive mood or antidepressant effect that others have frequently noted. maybe a 3 out of 5, but nothing too much cognitively, definitely no improvement in memory or execution. It has affected my sleep, much lighter, but I'm used to that off and on over the years, so it doesn't bother me. No change in appetite or libido.

Tomorrow will be my 13th injection, I am hoping to get better results in the coming injections, but we'll see. Maybe of slight interest to some but I am also taking carbon C60 but haven't noticed any interaction between the two so far.

I am in my 40's, 6'2" and 200lbs mostly muscle, no excess fat. As I noted earlier in this thread I do have a history of anxiety and panic disorder but in now way so far has cerebro negatively affected either disorder. It hasn't reduced my anxiety as it seems to for many others, but I'm just happy it hasn't worsened it.

Sorry to hear that. We shipped a lot of Cerebrolysin to Canada. It usually clears customs straight away or stays there for a day or two. It's probably a good a idea to speak to them because they don't really have any reason to hold it there so long.

[AwesomeName]

Stillwater: Well that's a relief.

I'm sick of the customs system we have in place here.

I think my dmps got refused because I ordered more than a 3 month supply which is their limit I guess.

NootropicsEU: What is cerebrolysin tecnically classified under? Why do you think they have no reason to hold it there?

[NootropicEU]

Stillwater: Well that's a relief.

I'm sick of the customs system we have in place here.

I think my dmps got refused because I ordered more than a 3 month supply which is their limit I guess.

NootropicsEU: What is cerebrolysin tecnically classified under? Why do you think they have no reason to hold it there?

Every country has different classification for it. In some countries they sell it OTC like a supplement, others need a prescription just like with piracetam. It is non toxic, non controlled medication which has no abuse potential. Even Australian customs let it go trough (they are very strict).

I will phone Canadian customs on Monday and ask about it.

[cere_user5678910]

Onto my third day of 10ml injections again. Oh how I have missed the beauty of this peptide. I am combining with Mondafinil early in the morning (which lets face it, is probably clouding my judgement on Cere alone), plenty of exercise and healthy eating. Feeling great, writing patents (lol!), and generally enjoying it. Socialising is going well but I think the Mondafinil is making me just a little bit 'too' social with its amphetmine like effects, nothing over the top, no akward moments or anything, but I might throttle back to 100mg and see how that goes. Even though it's early days I feel it's key to cycle both of these, maybe 2 weeks on, 3 weeks off is what I will aim for, they both seem to be complimenting each other nicely so far though. Maybe in this cycle, but if not definitely in the next one I will try to stack with one of the memory compounds such as Colouracetam, PRL8 etc. I'm not taking any other supplments at all.

Edited by cere_user5678910, 28 July 2013 - 02:28 AM.

[AwesomeName]

Stillwater: Well that's a relief.

I'm sick of the customs system we have in place here.

I think my dmps got refused because I ordered more than a 3 month supply which is their limit I guess.

NootropicsEU: What is cerebrolysin tecnically classified under? Why do you think they have no reason to hold it there?

Every country has different classification for it. In some countries they sell it OTC like a supplement, others need a prescription just like with piracetam. It is non toxic, non controlled medication which has no abuse potential. Even Australian customs let it go trough (they are very strict).

I will phone Canadian customs on Monday and ask about it.

Oh really?

Thank you.

I think there's something in the law stating you can buy a 3 month supply of something only.

[cyberger]

Since cerebrolysin is a peptite, I'm concerned high summer temperatures could damage the protein during shipment. Ever NueroPharma's product PDF lists storage conditions: "Cerebrolysin must be stored at room temperatures (not exceeding 25 degrees C) [...] Do not freeze."

What are people's thoughts/experiences about travel temperatures effecting CRB potency? Is there anyone who has bought the product multiple times throughout the year from a country that involves long shipping times and has had good results during the summer and winter? It's an expensive product, I don't want to waste a trial. Thanks in advance.

[sunshinefrost]

Since cerebrolysin is a peptite, I'm concerned high summer temperatures could damage the protein during shipment. Ever NueroPharma's product PDF lists storage conditions: "Cerebrolysin must be stored at room temperatures (not exceeding 25 degrees C) [...] Do not freeze."

What are people's thoughts/experiences about travel temperatures effecting CRB potency? Is there anyone who has bought the product multiple times throughout the year from a country that involves long shipping times and has had good results during the summer and winter? It's an expensive product, I don't want to waste a trial. Thanks in advance.

I bought it when it was 30 degrees outside throughout the week and the product was fine

[Sholrak]

It's hard to know, as is hard for a package inner product to raise temperature to be as hot as outside. I would say, if there are not more than 30-35 degrees, the Cere placed inside won't reach those 25 ºC.

Edited by Sholrak, 31 July 2013 - 04:53 PM.

[Sholrak]

Well, looks like the benefits Cerebrolysin produced still remain somehow, being rather different from the acute ones.

I'm now in an overall well being state, contemplative, more logic and consequent, more creative, more quick and smart in every situation, more empathetic and more motivated. I can feel now like an adult, a teen an a child simultaneosly. First, came an antidepressant effect, then, I started to remember how I felt when I was in the best moment of my life with a lot of big friends and that, and finally, I feel like a kid, kind of a reborn one.

Cere comes without bad effects, and kind of a refined and self-improve of yourself is being achieved.

[sunshinefrost]

Thanks for sharing your experiment sholrak, very interesting to read

[Passion]

I'd like to hear from other long-term users!

Has anyone else been using this for a very long time that continues to see results? I know somewhere in this thread, RussianBear commented that he's afraid of changing his mindset to expect the kind of performance CERE gives, only to be let down by tolerance to it.

It sure would be nice if it didn't develop any tolerance (resistance).

Edited by Passion, 01 August 2013 - 04:05 PM.

[motorcitykid]

Has anyone on this forum had their hormone levels checked before and after dosing with Cerebrolysin? Some of the Cerebro users on this forum have reported experiencing stronger libido. Isn't anyone concerned that the drug might somehow be messing with the endocrine system?

Edited by motorcitykid, 01 August 2013 - 04:33 PM.

[NootropicEU]

I had hormone tests done(for some other reasons) when I was on and off Cerebrolysin. No significant changes.

Edited by NootropicEU, 01 August 2013 - 10:17 PM.

[motorcitykid]

I had hormone tests done(for some other reasons) when I was on and off Cerebrolysin. No significant changes.

Were there any notable changes in your blood panel?

[NootropicEU]

I had hormone tests done(for some other reasons) when I was on and off Cerebrolysin. No significant changes.

Were there any notable changes in your blood panel?

Doctor said "Everything is perfect" both times. I did not look into it myself.

[motorcitykid]

I had hormone tests done(for some other reasons) when I was on and off Cerebrolysin. No significant changes.

Were there any notable changes in your blood panel?

Doctor said "Everything is perfect" both times. I did not look into it myself.

Thanks for the info NootropicEu. Are there any speculations as to why some people experience stronger libido on Cerebro?
Hopefully it does not directly push on the endocrine system in any way because that could be a problem with longterm usage.
Maybe the drug exerts some effect in those regions of the brain where sexual desire lives, and that's what some people are experiencing. Any other Cerebro users take a hormone/blood panel before and after dosing with cerbro?

[xsiv1]

I had hormone tests done(for some other reasons) when I was on and off Cerebrolysin. No significant changes.

Were there any notable changes in your blood panel?

Doctor said "Everything is perfect" both times. I did not look into it myself.

Thanks for the info NootropicEu. Are there any speculations as to why some people experience stronger libido on Cerebro?
Hopefully it does not directly push on the endocrine system in any way because that could be a problem with longterm usage.
Maybe the drug exerts some effect in those regions of the brain where sexual desire lives, and that's what some people are experiencing. Any other Cerebro users take a hormone/blood panel before and after dosing with cerbro?

That's a good question. I'm following this thread closely.

[motorcitykid]

I had hormone tests done(for some other reasons) when I was on and off Cerebrolysin. No significant changes.

Were there any notable changes in your blood panel?

Doctor said "Everything is perfect" both times. I did not look into it myself.

Thanks for the info NootropicEu. Are there any speculations as to why some people experience stronger libido on Cerebro?
Hopefully it does not directly push on the endocrine system in any way because that could be a problem with longterm usage.
Maybe the drug exerts some effect in those regions of the brain where sexual desire lives, and that's what some people are experiencing. Any other Cerebro users take a hormone/blood panel before and after dosing with cerbro?

That's a good question. I'm following this thread closely.

I couldn't find any literature on the subject. I'm curious to see what comes out of the Phase 3 trials in Europe.

[NootropicEU]

Stillwater: Well that's a relief.

I'm sick of the customs system we have in place here.

I think my dmps got refused because I ordered more than a 3 month supply which is their limit I guess.

NootropicsEU: What is cerebrolysin tecnically classified under? Why do you think they have no reason to hold it there?

Every country has different classification for it. In some countries they sell it OTC like a supplement, others need a prescription just like with piracetam. It is non toxic, non controlled medication which has no abuse potential. Even Australian customs let it go trough (they are very strict).

I will phone Canadian customs on Monday and ask about it.

Oh really?

Thank you.

I think there's something in the law stating you can buy a 3 month supply of something only.

I have contacted Canadian customs about Cerebrolysin importation. Did not get any reply. Spoke to Health Canada and they told me that they will get back to me. Anyway it seems it's okay to import Cerebrolysin for personal use. Doses up up to 30ml/day can be used. So personal supply can be large.

PubMed does not mention anything about Cerebrolysin affecting endocrine system. It's has been in the market for a long time. If it had any effect on endocrine system it would be mentioned I guess.

Some good news: We have managed to get a reasonable discount from our Cerebrolysin Suppliers and we are passing this Discount to Longecity members. For every 4 boxes of Cerebrolysin you get 1 box for free! It' applies to both 5ml and 10ml packs! If you buy 16 boxes of Cerebrolysin you will get 4 boxes for free! We are also offering 10% discount on all other nootropics. To use the offer please send us an email with your order details and quote 7DAYSALE. We will process your order manually. Valid for 7 days only. Offer not to be used in conjunction with other voucher codes/promotions.

Edited by NootropicEU, 05 August 2013 - 02:15 PM.

[cyberger]

Just a note that there is a small, placebo-controlled experiment in humans showing INTRANASAL administration of cerebrolysin is safe and effective: http://www.longecity...ay/#entry604027

Summary of Study: In a placebo-controlled experiment with ischemic stroke patients, 15 patients were given 1ml cerebrolysin administered INTRANASALLY for 7 days with clinically significant improvements and no adverse events.

Good news for those who would prefer not to inject.

Edited by cyberger, 08 August 2013 - 06:42 PM.

[uppercut1991]

I'm going to start taking Cere. I can buy syringe filter relatively cheap. It is 0,45 um pore size. Will it be proper for filtring cere, or can it bind some cere particles? I read the thread and found info only about 5 um filter.

[uppercut1991]

Ok, so today i took the first dose of cere ( 5 ml). I injected in thigh, i used 23 g needle and it was almost painless. I'm going to do standard cycle ( 5 ml, for 4 weeks).
Hope to see some results soon and obviously i have many things i would like to get better so i will be posting my experiences.

[Sholrak]

Not sure about the microns in a filter. AFAIK everyone used 5 um, not sure if 0.45 would filter peptides too.

We wait to see your experiences.