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[protoject]

Cere definitely has been helping my sleep so far. I've read that cere has high levels of magnesium; and magnesium is known to induce good sleep.. who knows though. Day 5 and i can definitely feel the effects building everyday. I'm experiencing some sort of carelessness from the cere, at times i can almost consider it a form of apathy. I Really don't know if its a good or bad feeling.

On the bright side cere has sharpened my cognition to the point where i feel like i don't even need to study for school. I sit in class listen to the lecture and miraculously remember everything about the lecture the next class. The memory enhancement is a very nice effect.

Surprisingly i have had slight cold symptoms since starting the cere however they're getting better. I wonder if its possible that the foreign organic peptides and amino acids have somehow been presumed as a threat and activated my immune system??

I have felt far less mental/cognitive deficits since I've started the cere and every day it gets better. There is just some sort of clearheadedness that cere gives you, surprisingly it lasts up into 3rd day no injection.(I took a 2 day break after my first 2 injections) With how strong this stuff is i could see myself ending up smarter than i was pre concussion.

I'm experiencing the apathy thing, in terms of the apathy thing. It's like I'm less likely to get moody. Instead I'm just calm and tired, but so ready to rest. I've never heard about magnesium being in cere, and mag didn't help me very well in the long run. So far I haven't experienced any super mind-clearing or sharp mind effect, nor any enhancement of memory. Actually I've found that my cognition is still pretty disorganized I've been doing 10 mL a day. I would say that overall it's making me feel more rested and in a more stable mood. It could be a fluke so I will continue to update.

It's almost like I haven't Gone "into the positive" yet. But frankly there's nothing horribly wrong. I get headaches and it hurts to pin myself. That's about it. Strangely this might be the supplement that saves me from insomnia, and I'm glad I had the guts to take it even though I had a resistance to every trying to self-medicate again because of possible complications. Because it looks like unexpectedly I may sleep better all week. But we will see, Ill keep in touch.

Another interesting fluke is that prior to this my heart was beating fast [avg. 90 bpm] , worsened when laying down, and my blood pressure was low and I was getting chest pains. Since Ive been taking the cere that condition has been moderately better. Could be coincidence.

[c60tester]

Cere definitely has been helping my sleep so far. I've read that cere has high levels of magnesium; and magnesium is known to induce good sleep.. who knows though. Day 5 and i can definitely feel the effects building everyday. I'm experiencing some sort of carelessness from the cere, at times i can almost consider it a form of apathy. I Really don't know if its a good or bad feeling.

On the bright side cere has sharpened my cognition to the point where i feel like i don't even need to study for school. I sit in class listen to the lecture and miraculously remember everything about the lecture the next class. The memory enhancement is a very nice effect.

Surprisingly i have had slight cold symptoms since starting the cere however they're getting better. I wonder if its possible that the foreign organic peptides and amino acids have somehow been presumed as a threat and activated my immune system??

I have felt far less mental/cognitive deficits since I've started the cere and every day it gets better. There is just some sort of clearheadedness that cere gives you, surprisingly it lasts up into 3rd day no injection.(I took a 2 day break after my first 2 injections) With how strong this stuff is i could see myself ending up smarter than i was pre concussion.

Has it affected your libido at all?

[protoject]

c60 tester, for me personally it didn't effect my libido at all.

This is my 4th day on 10mL and I don't find this substance particularly "strong" at all.

I've been mostly tired the entire time i've been on it [but I'm almost always tired and sleep deprived].

good news is that today i didn't get a headache at all.. the first 3 days the headache was pretty bad.

I hope I will feel better in a few weeks. I'm fantasizing and imagining that this is having a subtle long-term healing effect even though I don't feel much right now. All I can say is that I've been both tired and calm while taking this substance. not much mood fluctuation. That is what stands out to me right now.

The other things that stand out, yet are sparse and i'm not sure if they are related to the cere, is that I feel more like I would feel 10 yrs ago [hard to describe], and also I experience faint "jumps" where i can perceive on a different level [for example I can imagine the realm of relativity that say, my superiors at work are in], again might just be coincidence.

Sleep sucked last night, I'm sure it had nothing to do with the cere though as my sleep usually sucks, and it happened to be better than normal on the cere one or 2 days, so it isprobably just the regular course of my bilogical sleep patterns.

Edited by protoject, 11 October 2012 - 04:39 PM.

[chairofgold]

c60 tester, for me personally it didn't effect my libido at all.

This is my 4th day on 10mL and I don't find this substance particularly "strong" at all.

I've been mostly tired the entire time i've been on it [but I'm almost always tired and sleep deprived].

good news is that today i didn't get a headache at all.. the first 3 days the headache was pretty bad.

I hope I will feel better in a few weeks. I'm fantasizing and imagining that this is having a subtle long-term healing effect even though I don't feel much right now. All I can say is that I've been both tired and calm while taking this substance. not much mood fluctuation. That is what stands out to me right now.

The other things that stand out, yet are sparse and i'm not sure if they are related to the cere, is that I feel more like I would feel 10 yrs ago [hard to describe], and also I experience faint "jumps" where i can perceive on a different level [for example I can imagine the realm of relativity that say, my superiors at work are in], again might just be coincidence.

Sleep sucked last night, I'm sure it had nothing to do with the cere though as my sleep usually sucks, and it happened to be better than normal on the cere one or 2 days, so it isprobably just the regular course of my bilogical sleep patterns.

Your having a more noticeable effect in comparison to what I had experianced. For me though it was about the 7th to 8th day that I noticed a big turnaround in from my depression, which told me that the growth factors and the forced growth and stronger connections of dendrites to the axon terminals were occurring. Yes your mood will be the determining factor in determining if this med is actually working.

Good mood = better neural connections via more and closer connections at the synaptic sites

Recent and past studies have shown that depression occurs from a lack of growth producing factors in the brain which causes a lack of strong connections thereby causing signals from one cell to the next to stop at some point. That is why antidepressants work on blocking the reuptake of certain neurotransmitters such as Serotonin, Norepinephrine and Dopamine except for Acetylcholine which is a very important chemical that plays a big part in learning. If you can strengthen all the neurotransmitter sites by causing more connections and closer connections you will of have increased your brain's ability to function better with the goal of optimum functioning, which in turn is the opposite of depression, which in turn means a strong brain, which of course takes time.

Great observations BTW.

Edited by chairofgold, 11 October 2012 - 10:26 PM.

[protoject]

c60 tester, for me personally it didn't effect my libido at all.

This is my 4th day on 10mL and I don't find this substance particularly "strong" at all.

I've been mostly tired the entire time i've been on it [but I'm almost always tired and sleep deprived].

good news is that today i didn't get a headache at all.. the first 3 days the headache was pretty bad.

I hope I will feel better in a few weeks. I'm fantasizing and imagining that this is having a subtle long-term healing effect even though I don't feel much right now. All I can say is that I've been both tired and calm while taking this substance. not much mood fluctuation. That is what stands out to me right now.

The other things that stand out, yet are sparse and i'm not sure if they are related to the cere, is that I feel more like I would feel 10 yrs ago [hard to describe], and also I experience faint "jumps" where i can perceive on a different level [for example I can imagine the realm of relativity that say, my superiors at work are in], again might just be coincidence.

Sleep sucked last night, I'm sure it had nothing to do with the cere though as my sleep usually sucks, and it happened to be better than normal on the cere one or 2 days, so it isprobably just the regular course of my bilogical sleep patterns.

Your having a more noticeable effect in comparison to what I had experianced. For me though it was about the 7th to 8th day that I noticed a big turnaround in from my depression, which told me that the growth factors and the forced growth and stronger connections of dendrites to the axon terminals were occurring. Yes your mood will be the determining factor in determining if this med is actually working.

Good mood = better neural connections via more and closer connections at the synaptic sites

Recent and past studies have shown that depression occurs from a lack of growth producing factors in the brain which causes a lack of strong connections thereby causing signals from one cell to the next to stop at some point. That is why antidepressants work on blocking the reuptake of certain neurotransmitters such as Serotonin, Norepinephrine and Dopamine except for Acetylcholine which is a very important chemical that plays a big part in learning. If you can strengthen all the neurotransmitter sites by causing more connections and closer connections you will of have increased your brain's ability to function better with the goal of optimum functioning, which in turn is the opposite of depression, which in turn means a strong brain, which of course takes time.

Great observations BTW.

Thanks for the support, I think you may be right about it taking time which is why I am continuing.

Day 5: I had a good amount of sleep, though it was broken up. The day went by pretty smoothly , I was tired but able to handle my obligations. Yet again, mood wise I was pretty stable and calm. There was no cognitive sharpening though

Day 6 [saturday- no cerebrolysin taken]: Last night was the first night in years that I slept for 6 hours straight without waking up. Therefore I believe cerebrolysin may be playing a part in repairing the physical part of my nervous system that does not allow me to sleep properly.

[Rior]

Just wanted to note that I have just received a 30 day supply (taking weekends off) of 10ml Cerebrolysin. I'm waiting on syringes, however once I have everything and start the process I'll be updating this thread as well.
General background:

21 years old, I've had 5 concussions and have had lasting post-concussive syndrome since the last one. This has left me with generalized anxiety, a lesser reasoning ability, I lost my sense of smell almost completely, and I'm worse at putting words together. My biggest hope with this, particularly, is to increase my verbal fluency. I used to have fantastic rhetorical ability, but that has since fallen substantially. This last concussion happened almost exactly two years ago.

Thus far I've been taking Lion's mane every other day (intent that I don't cause a down-regulation of the TrkBr) as well as Bacopa, and 50mg Zoloft. For the Cerebrolysin I'm considering turning my regimen to the Zoloft, Bacopa and Zinc daily, stop taking Lion's Mane, and take 500mg-1000mg of ALCAR on my days off of Cerebrolysin. Anyone see any particular problem with these combinations?

Also, what size syringes are people using, and where did you purchase them?

Last but not least, I was considering asking a doctor to help me fully understand the process of IM injection. Aka, how to find the ventrogluteal site, etc. Under most conditions I would assume that doctors would be leery of teaching their patient to do IM injections (assumption on my part). I figured if I make it clear that I'm going to do it whether or not he helps me in the process, he would perhaps be more likely to teach me--so as to reduce my risk of hurting myself in any way. Anyone think this would be a bad idea?

[protoject]

Just wanted to note that I have just received a 30 day supply (taking weekends off) of 10ml Cerebrolysin. I'm waiting on syringes, however once I have everything and start the process I'll be updating this thread as well.
General background:

21 years old, I've had 5 concussions and have had lasting post-concussive syndrome since the last one. This has left me with generalized anxiety, a lesser reasoning ability, I lost my sense of smell almost completely, and I'm worse at putting words together. My biggest hope with this, particularly, is to increase my verbal fluency. I used to have fantastic rhetorical ability, but that has since fallen substantially. This last concussion happened almost exactly two years ago.

Thus far I've been taking Lion's mane every other day (intent that I don't cause a down-regulation of the TrkBr) as well as Bacopa, and 50mg Zoloft. For the Cerebrolysin I'm considering turning my regimen to the Zoloft, Bacopa and Zinc daily, stop taking Lion's Mane, and take 500mg-1000mg of ALCAR on my days off of Cerebrolysin. Anyone see any particular problem with these combinations?

Also, what size syringes are people using, and where did you purchase them?

Last but not least, I was considering asking a doctor to help me fully understand the process of IM injection. Aka, how to find the ventrogluteal site, etc. Under most conditions I would assume that doctors would be leery of teaching their patient to do IM injections (assumption on my part). I figured if I make it clear that I'm going to do it whether or not he helps me in the process, he would perhaps be more likely to teach me--so as to reduce my risk of hurting myself in any way. Anyone think this would be a bad idea?

It may actually be a good idea to go to the doc. In fact, because you've had concussions he might actually be able to perscribe you the medication. Just go to him saying that you heard it could be helpful, maybe print off a few pages. In the end you can always inject yourself without his help, but if you can get his help you might as well try. I would say I did the injection either half right or totally wrong the first few times of doing it. The best thing I could say is make sure that you aren't BELOW your anterior iliac spine, and make sure you are not TOO CLOSE to the bone protruding out , and make sure you are far back enough with the needle.. what I mean is, in my experience I think the injection site is closer to your back than to your front [it's on the back side of the hip].. not so far that it's on your ass or doing a dorsogluteal injection, but just make sure that it's in that exact area that all the ventrogluteal injection diagrams show... kinda between the superior anterior iliac spine and the iliac crest. for me im skinny and i need to be looking in a mirror at myself from the sideways direction to see that the injeciton site is in the MIDDLE area of the side view of my body, almost smack dab between my ass and belly [horizontally] , but a little further forward from the butt. Also it is in the vertical MIDDLE between my greater trochanter and the iliac spine... actually, for me personally its a little bit higher than that, and personally i think you are safer injecting higher up, just as long as youre not at the part where there's barely any muscle because injecting in that thin spot really sucks the donkey.

Anyway I'm not a professional so please educate yourself some more from other sources if I am not making any sense.

In terms of switching from the combo with zoloft to the combo with bacopa, be careful. If I am not mistaken Bacopa actually has an agonist-like effect on the serotonin receptors, so you want to make sure you have a good washout period from the zoloft. Not sure if there is an interaction there but I would play it safe.

Edit: oh, another opinion I have on the injection site. A lot of people on forums describe that it's a muscle that just "pops out" when they sit or move in a certain position. I do not believe this is the correct muscle, that is actually the tensor fascia. I believe these people are full of shit saying that the muscle pops out. I could be wrong though, Again I'm no doc, this is just from my own common sense and limited experience.

Edited by protoject, 13 October 2012 - 10:00 PM.

[stablemind]

Just wanted to note that I have just received a 30 day supply (taking weekends off) of 10ml Cerebrolysin. I'm waiting on syringes, however once I have everything and start the process I'll be updating this thread as well.
General background:

21 years old, I've had 5 concussions and have had lasting post-concussive syndrome since the last one. This has left me with generalized anxiety, a lesser reasoning ability, I lost my sense of smell almost completely, and I'm worse at putting words together. My biggest hope with this, particularly, is to increase my verbal fluency. I used to have fantastic rhetorical ability, but that has since fallen substantially. This last concussion happened almost exactly two years ago.

Thus far I've been taking Lion's mane every other day (intent that I don't cause a down-regulation of the TrkBr) as well as Bacopa, and 50mg Zoloft. For the Cerebrolysin I'm considering turning my regimen to the Zoloft, Bacopa and Zinc daily, stop taking Lion's Mane, and take 500mg-1000mg of ALCAR on my days off of Cerebrolysin. Anyone see any particular problem with these combinations?

Also, what size syringes are people using, and where did you purchase them?

Last but not least, I was considering asking a doctor to help me fully understand the process of IM injection. Aka, how to find the ventrogluteal site, etc. Under most conditions I would assume that doctors would be leery of teaching their patient to do IM injections (assumption on my part). I figured if I make it clear that I'm going to do it whether or not he helps me in the process, he would perhaps be more likely to teach me--so as to reduce my risk of hurting myself in any way. Anyone think this would be a bad idea?

In terms of switching from the combo with zoloft to the combo with bacopa, be careful. If I am not mistaken Bacopa actually has an agonist-like effect on the serotonin receptors, so you want to make sure you have a good washout period from the zoloft. Not sure if there is an interaction there but I would play it safe.

I dont think he's planning to remove zoloft but rather keep taking it with Cereb.

Thus far I've been taking Lion's mane every other day (intent that I don't cause a down-regulation of the TrkBr) as well as Bacopa, and 50mg Zoloft. For the Cerebrolysin I'm considering turning my regimen to the Zoloft, Bacopa and Zinc daily, stop taking Lion's Mane, and take 500mg-1000mg of ALCAR on my days off of Cerebrolysin. Anyone see any particular problem with these combinations?

You might wanna make sure there's no interactions as he said. http://www.livestron...acopa-monnieri/ Seems like there are? Maybe just avoid it just incase since Cereb may improve your depression and u may be able to taper off zoloft.

Edited by stablemind, 14 October 2012 - 07:53 AM.

[Rior]

To be clear, I've been taking Zoloft WITH Bacopa for over three months now. My reason for doing so was that I'm taking a low dose of Zoloft (50mg is the lowest considered "therapeutic dose" prescribed) as well as a low dose of Bacopa. Just 500mg of Bacopa once daily, from the Himalaya brand. I've thus far noted no particular instances of any symptoms of serotonin syndrome. I'm thinking for the cere though I might drop the Bacopa.

[protoject]

To be clear, I've been taking Zoloft WITH Bacopa for over three months now. My reason for doing so was that I'm taking a low dose of Zoloft (50mg is the lowest considered "therapeutic dose" prescribed) as well as a low dose of Bacopa. Just 500mg of Bacopa once daily, from the Himalaya brand. I've thus far noted no particular instances of any symptoms of serotonin syndrome. I'm thinking for the cere though I might drop the Bacopa.

Hmm interesting thanks for sharing. Any particular reason you will drop Bacopa once on cere?

[iwantiwant]

I'm new on this forum, read up on cerebrolysin and now I'm ready to start. My question is, there seems to be several sites offering cere, which is great, but where do you guys get the needles and syringes? Is there any site you would recommend? If it matters I'm in EU. Sorry this is a bit off topic.
Thanks.

[protoject]

Day 7- Sunday- No cerebrolysin taken [doing the weekend cycling]- Slept really good the night before, from about 11pm until 6am , woke up once for maybe half an hour. Then had a groggy sleep for the next few hours, then was depressed and anxious all day. [the depressed/anxious part = normal for me]...

Day 8- Monday- Will be taking cerebrolysin shortly, but wanted to comment on last night's sleep. It was horrible and all broken up. A lot of those moments where you're sleeping but awake at the same time. It's when your mind is racing with all these dream-thoughts or things that dont make any sense what soever. its like being awake during certain sleep processes . So last night I just slept horribly. Keep in mind it seems that I slept really much better on the days I was taking the cerebro and the one day after. Perhaps it was helping with sleep.

Good thing: My heart's been going really wonky on me with arhymthmias, chest pain and racing heart, but ever since I got some sleep on the cerebrolysin it has improved, therefore I think i might have had developing heart problems or mounting anxiety that sleep helped to resolve.

Just hope I can get back on the sleep wagon, also I really hope cerebrolysin can help with the depression part because I really literally felt like doing nothing at all on Sunday, could barely even cook for myself or do anything useful and was thinking a lot of negative hopeless thoughts.

I am wondering if I had got up exactly at 6am on Sunday if I would have felt better, I am thinking maybe I stayed in bed too long. [but still, I dont think a person's mood should be so frikkin sensitive to things like that.. oh you stay in bed a couple more hours and it ruins your entire day and leaks into the next one?? pssh please..]

[Rior]

http://www.ebay.com/...c2<br /><br />Is this a decent selection for syringes? I really have little to no experience regarding this, and obviously want to do the best I can in this regard.

[NG_F]

Rior where are you from ? and IwantIwant do A GOOGLE search for 18gauge 1.5 inch filtered needles. You also need some compatible 5cc syringe barrels and an appropriate size of needle/syringe-needle combo for injection. I also use sterile multi-dose vials (20cc's) to use for storing my cere for ease of injection.
Dont forget to swab the necks with alcohol and I use this great tool for scribing and easy break off of the tops of the amps.............http://www.micglobal...ener-i3022.html

I got my syringes and filtered needles from here, as I live in Canada.........http://www.medimart.com/

I'm sure both of these places will ship to your destinations, but shoot them an email to verify.
Where did you 2 get your Cerebrolysin? Let me know if you need any more help. Best of luck and happy cerebral enhancing

[protoject]

Rior where are you from ? and IwantIwant do A GOOGLE search for 18gauge 1.5 inch filtered needles. You also need some compatible 5cc syringe barrels and an appropriate size of needle/syringe-needle combo for injection. I also use sterile multi-dose vials (20cc's) to use for storing my cere for ease of injection.
Dont forget to swab the necks with alcohol and I use this great tool for scribing and easy break off of the tops of the amps.............http://www.micglobal...ener-i3022.html

I got my syringes and filtered needles from here, as I live in Canada.........http://www.medimart.com/

I'm sure both of these places will ship to your destinations, but shoot them an email to verify.
Where did you 2 get your Cerebrolysin? Let me know if you need any more help. Best of luck and happy cerebral enhancing

18 guage? Why such a fat needle? some people have a hard time with 22 guage even.
I just bought 35 23guage needles [w/o syringes because I already have them] at the pharmacy for like 9 bucks, no shipping cost.

[NG_F]

The 18G is for drawing up the contents of the Cere.As the theory is the bigger the needle the less suction, and potentially less particulate going through the filtered needle.
I then of course switch to a 22g or 23 gauge for injection.

[protoject]

I just tried 23 guage for the first time. i was using 22 before. 23 was so much easier to dart in lol. and it wasnt like chaffing against my skin if you know what i mean.

Day 9: [morning] last night, I got a better sleep than on the non-cerebrolysin night, but it was still disturbed. My expectation is that going on with the cere every day it will improve drastically like it did last week when I had full uninterrupted 6 hr sleeps.

Just took the cere, 23 guage is better than 22 guage for needles. I think I finally have the spot down, though i often fiddle around trying to find it and it really messes up your back twisting around to do it. I have no mirror in this room either, but I prefer doing it laying down because one time I injected myself standing and my leg muscle twitched. no fun!

this is a 1inch needle which I find is easier to use and it's good enough for me since im a skinny boy.

so far since taking the cere today there's a feeling of warmth. It's an emotional kind of warmth. This is the thing I like most about the cere. It seems to quell anxiety and make me calmer.

When I read hooter's comment about it being like "an opiate", and saw a bunch of negative votes he got, I thought it was kind of funny. I wouldn't say it's like an opiate, but I could understand why he said that it was, it's because this feeling of calmness kind of washes over you in a similar way [except you aren;t high, incapacitated, losing consciousness nor is judgement impaired]. So now I understand exactly what he means.

That's the number one thing I like about cere.

But still, I haven't found it super mind-sharpening or mind-clearing...

one thing I did notice though is certain things "flow" easier. Like for example if I talk to people in real life or on the internet, I feel more like I am actually making sense or like what I say has value. A confidence boost perhaps? And I'm more face to face with the sensory input, meaning, I feel less like my sensory system is "curtailing" or "avoiding" my environment. I'm not particularly more outgoing or energetic, but I feel like I am integrating my senses better and am more receptive. I am not sure this is on a cognitive level, maybe more of an emotional level.

Anyway it's very hard to describe what I'm talking about, but I want to mention that the effect right now is not drastic, but rather between minimally and moderately significant. Also I feel that the effect builds up as you take it. I almost regret "cycling" like what is recommended because I feel that the effect builds up and that if you stop taking it you have to start up again on the monday. But again, I know this thing does build up over long term supposedly, and over the number of weeks there is supposed to be lasting benefit,... so I dont know, maybe I will still keep cycling?? I might not if its helping my sleep. Cant sacrafice a day or 2 a week , ya know?

From how I am feeling right now it seems that I am going to notice more improvements.

I'd like to mention as well that the cere seems to work a lot better if you inject it as deep as you can into the muscle. The 1 inch seems enough for me. But sometimes I've not gone the full length due to not being used to injecting and I found the effect weaker on these days. Then again it may all just be in my imagination. . . . . . . . . .

The 18G is for drawing up the contents of the Cere.As the theory is the bigger the needle the less suction, and potentially less particulate going through the filtered needle.
I then of course switch to a 22g or 23 gauge for injection.

Oooh true!!! maybe I should think about doing that.... I thought 22 was big enough but maybe I wasn't paying attention well enough to the other conversation about that matter

Edited by protoject, 16 October 2012 - 01:19 PM.

[chairofgold]

So how many doses have you given yourself? For example, you said that you take 10ml, and I would assume that this is each time you receive a dose. Could you tell us how many doses have you taken overall, and if you have noticed a decent size turnaround. Last, how your mood has been lately and has your mood improved with more doses?

For me it took about 8 doses of 10ml before I felt the effect. So far up to this day, I feel great!! Memory, creativity and mood are at it's best, for what the best can be, till further upgrading and repair.

I will be starting another regime of 10ml x 5 days tomorrow. So far I have completed 250ml or 5 weeks of 5 days of 10ml's.

Also, I truly believe that Lions Mane (LM) has potentiated the overall effects. It's a great combo. I recently bought a pill capper and have been capping LM. Each cap is size 00, so I figured each cap contains about 1G of LM. I take 1 cap in the AM and another at HS.

I know you aren't too thrilled about Acetyl L-Carnatine Arginate, but I feel this has helped as well. I take the substance when I need an extra boost in substitution to caffein containing substances.

Edited by chairofgold, 19 October 2012 - 10:52 PM.

[protoject]

So how many doses have you given yourself? For example, you said that you take 10ml, and I would assume that this is each time you receive a dose. Could you tell us how many doses have you taken overall, and if you have noticed a decent size turnaround. Last, how your mood has been lately and has your mood improved with more doses?

For me it took about 8 doses of 10ml before I felt the effect. So far up to this day, I feel great!! Memory, creativity and mood are at it's best, for what the best can be, till further upgrading and repair.

I will be starting another regime of 10ml x 5 days tomorrow. So far I have completed 250ml or 5 weeks of 5 days of 10ml's.

Also, I truly believe that Lions Mane (LM) has potentiated the overall effects. It's a great combo. I recently bought a pill capper and have been capping LM. Each cap is size 00, so I figured each cap contains about 1G of LM. I take 1 cap in the AM and another at HS.

I know you aren't too thrilled about Acetyl L-Carnatine Arginate, but I feel this has helped as well. I take the substance when I need an extra boost in substitution to caffein containing substances.

so far i have taken 10 doses of 10 mL. The sleep benefit did not persist so I believe this may have been plain coincidence. I don't feel the effect of cerebrolysin is strong enough to help me in my life path. But I will persist with the dosing as I do notice subtle improvements in function or mood. It's just that they arent drastic enough to be therepeutic right now. But I still have pretty bad sleeping issues [not due to the cerebro, it's a seperate problem]. Overall it seems to just make me calmer. My day passes a bit easier. But most days that I'm alive are really difficult for me so this will have to be much more overpowering if I am going to consider it therepeutic.

Hmm. Ok. The other thing I noticed. Is that there is some inconsistent improvement. I forgot about this but just started thinking about it. On random days I just feel better. Like last night my depression level was pretty low. I didn't feel particularly outgoing or anything. I'm still pretty introverted. But it allowed me to initiate certain things that I needed to get done. and I was more on top of those things, doing them in a responsible way. It's a strange thing because I didn't feel like that all day but the fact that I had the chance to feel like that for the night seems good.

I've been avoiding updating because I want to live this out and see what happens, but maybe it is a good idea to kind of journal it in here.


But right now I am tired, maybe ill come back later

[protoject]

felt happier than normal today, more calm as well. still didnt sleep very great. was quite functional at work, .. one thing i notice on cerebrolysin is that sometimes it makes time go by very slowly, which can be a good or a bad thing depending on the state I am in at that time. generally speaking I enjoy "time dilation" or whatever you want to call it because I hate when time slips through my hands or slides away from me fast, that feels like I am not in time but that time goes on without me in it.

I decided I'm not going to cycle but I'll just continue taking it until the full 20 days is done. I'm on day 11 today and this is the first week that I've taken 10mL a day for more than 5 days.

Again I am surely noticing an antidepressant effect with this substance , but it is inconsistent in the sense that I have no control of when it is working and when it is not, and it only works sometimes. The way that it works is that I become more optimistic and bright eyed and kind of motivated. But it doesnt always last.

I would love to give an update of much value a few weeks down the line. i notice good effects waning in slightly and I"m hoping that they mount up to something better, instead of just being random flickers.

[chairofgold]

felt happier than normal today, more calm as well. still didnt sleep very great. was quite functional at work, .. one thing i notice on cerebrolysin is that sometimes it makes time go by very slowly, which can be a good or a bad thing depending on the state I am in at that time. generally speaking I enjoy "time dilation" or whatever you want to call it because I hate when time slips through my hands or slides away from me fast, that feels like I am not in time but that time goes on without me in it.

I decided I'm not going to cycle but I'll just continue taking it until the full 20 days is done. I'm on day 11 today and this is the first week that I've taken 10mL a day for more than 5 days.

Again I am surely noticing an antidepressant effect with this substance , but it is inconsistent in the sense that I have no control of when it is working and when it is not, and it only works sometimes. The way that it works is that I become more optimistic and bright eyed and kind of motivated. But it doesnt always last.

I would love to give an update of much value a few weeks down the line. i notice good effects waning in slightly and I"m hoping that they mount up to something better, instead of just being random flickers.

After receiving a 10ml IV dose, I noticed a focused factor immediately after dosing, sort of like "being in the zone" type of feeling. About an hour after dosing I obtained a frontal-parietal headache. This is an interesting occurrence because I have not had a headache since I first started dosing on Cbl.

Last, I really, really think you ought to add Lion's Mane to your regime.

http://fungihealth.c...act-powder-1-lb

[chairofgold]

felt happier than normal today, more calm as well. still didnt sleep very great. was quite functional at work, .. one thing i notice on cerebrolysin is that sometimes it makes time go by very slowly, which can be a good or a bad thing depending on the state I am in at that time. generally speaking I enjoy "time dilation" or whatever you want to call it because I hate when time slips through my hands or slides away from me fast, that feels like I am not in time but that time goes on without me in it.

I decided I'm not going to cycle but I'll just continue taking it until the full 20 days is done. I'm on day 11 today and this is the first week that I've taken 10mL a day for more than 5 days.

Again I am surely noticing an antidepressant effect with this substance , but it is inconsistent in the sense that I have no control of when it is working and when it is not, and it only works sometimes. The way that it works is that I become more optimistic and bright eyed and kind of motivated. But it doesnt always last.

I would love to give an update of much value a few weeks down the line. i notice good effects waning in slightly and I"m hoping that they mount up to something better, instead of just being random flickers.

After receiving a 10ml IV dose, I noticed a focused factor immediately after dosing, sort of like "being in the zone" type of feeling. About an hour after dosing I obtained a frontal-parietal headache. This is an interesting occurrence because I have not had a headache since I first started dosing on Cbl.

Last, based on your posts, I really, really think you ought to add Lion's Mane to your regime, because they potentiate each other , thereby causing faster dendrite branching, but it's ultimately your call.

http://fungihealth.c...act-powder-1-lb

http://www.mushroomh...products_id=102

http://www.amazon.co...e&condition=new

Edited by chairofgold, 20 October 2012 - 11:08 PM.

[protoject]

yeah i kinda wanna try it, i just burn so much money on meds and supplements haha, i am betting one of my local shop has them but i will check the links as well, do you think lions mane will cause sleep issues though? I heard some other fella saying that, it's hard to say... people said that about cere too and yet cere doesnt do anything bad to my sleep... noopept was really bad though

oh yeah chairofgold i forgot to ask do you have a comparison between IV and IM? did you just start IV now and were doing IM before?

[chairofgold]

yeah i kinda wanna try it, i just burn so much money on meds and supplements haha, i am betting one of my local shop has them but i will check the links as well, do you think lions mane will cause sleep issues though? I heard some other fella saying that, it's hard to say... people said that about cere too and yet cere doesnt do anything bad to my sleep... noopept was really bad though

oh yeah chairofgold i forgot to ask do you have a comparison between IV and IM? did you just start IV now and were doing IM before?

Lion's mane makes me sleepy after an hour. I counteract the sleepiness during the day with either Acetyl l-Carnatine Arginate or with a caffeine containing substance. At night, however, I primarily use LM, and since LM induces drowsiness it helps me fall asleep faster while inducing more vivid and lucid dreams.

As with Cbl, I have only taken it via IV route and for that reason, I am contemplating injecting IM for a week in order to differentiate the effects between the two routes. This will give me tangible evidence as well as a personal perspective between the two routes rather than relying on IM vs IV studies.

Edited by chairofgold, 21 October 2012 - 03:32 AM.

[protoject]

yeah i kinda wanna try it, i just burn so much money on meds and supplements haha, i am betting one of my local shop has them but i will check the links as well, do you think lions mane will cause sleep issues though? I heard some other fella saying that, it's hard to say... people said that about cere too and yet cere doesnt do anything bad to my sleep... noopept was really bad though

oh yeah chairofgold i forgot to ask do you have a comparison between IV and IM? did you just start IV now and were doing IM before?

Lion's mane makes me sleepy after an hour. I counteract the sleepiness during the day with either Acetyl l-Carnatine Arginate or with a caffeine containing substance. At night, however, I primarily use LM, and since LM induces drowsiness it helps me fall asleep faster while inducing more vivid and lucid dreams.

As with Cbl, I have only taken it via IV route and for that reason, I am contemplating injecting IM for a week in order to differentiate the effects between the two routes. This will give me tangible evidence as well as a personal perspective between the two routes rather than relying on IM vs IV studies.

Nice to hear man! Maybe I'll give it a shot if it helps sleep. Can't wait to hear your difference between cerebrolysin IV and IM. OH yeah, I wanted to mention to everyone here, and you might be surprised by this , but I found noopept to have a much stronger effect than cerebrolysin in terms of being nootropic or antidepressive. But who knows, maybe the cerebrolysin will be effecting me better eventually. This is day 12 and I can't say there's much of an effect yet but I have noticed a thing here and there. I'm pretty fukkin cranky today [normal for me], so not sure about antidepressant effect. But this morning I felt pretty good. So again who knows maybe it's just inconsistent at this time. My mind has been opened up to a new "learning" level if you will. Like, you know when youre young and you take an intense interest in certain things, I feel that coming back in regards to music production/composition. But again it could just be coincidence.

[protoject]

Hey I am wondering if anyone would recommend 10 mL over 5 mL / d. I'm asking because originally, I figured I should take 5mL, but then after some consideration thought if 10mL gives a stronger effect and quicker, then I would rather use that. I was also paranoid that perhaps 5mL wouldn't give me any effect whereas 10mL would more surely give me an effect so that I couldn't doubt it if it were there. However on second though I've been thinking maybe I should play it moderate, not jump into things too quickly, just try the regular 5mL for a month instead, save some money, and maybe get a good effect without needing more, what do you peeps think?

When I ordered cerebrolysin I got 2 boxes of 5 x 10ml. I started with 5ml every morning and then after 2-4 days (can't remember clearly and am too lazy at the moment to look back in the thread) I was getting no effects so bumped it up to 10ml every morning (two 5ml IM injections). And the effects still didn't really start to appear until my last two days of treatment. So I ran out right before I felt any serious effects.

If I could go back in time I would have stuck with 5ml for the first 10 days and then if I wasn't getting any effects I'd bump it up to 10ml. I'd hate to see you spend a bunch of money and then start at 10ml hoping to get a stronger effect and then run out before it had a chance to start working. I feel that's what happened with me. I'll be reordering soon though since I've now finished my run of the various peptides I was injecting.

Did you see any further benefit after stopping, or did you ever start another cycle?

[5IMON]

Guy can someone post link once and for all of the best place to buy;
Filters (please specify)
Syringes
Needles (including the best gauges)
and Cerebrolysin
If you are living in europe

[protoject]

so after taking cerebrolysin for another 7 days straight [have taken cere for 12 days so far, 8 left to go] , my sleep continued to be pretty bad - short sleeps anywhere between 40min-2 hrs at a time, mostly intense dream sleep, but not quite the same intensity as noopept dreams. Still it was cuttin close. Monday was the first off day of the cycle. Sunday night i had some kind of anxiety attack at night, then during monday I felt quite confused [bordering clinical confusion] , depressed and anxious, wondered if I had to be put into the loony bin in my condition. I am not sure this has anything to do with the cere as it has been mounting up since long before the cere. Also I think it may be related to either a pre-existing heart condition or just simply a neurological condition which further compounds itself with loss of sleep. I think it's important to note that I have had pre existing mental conditions to begin with, and even experienced a stretch of schizophrenia about 5 yrs ago. Someone did mention a concern about the raised BDNF or NGF being a factor in psychosis [schiz.], and I think this is a somewhat legitimate concern, though it is still speculation since cerebrolysin has also been used as an adjunct to antipsychotic medication in clinical trials, and I don't remember it causing any specific worsening of these conditions.

So anyway , my confounding factor is not only possible pre-existing neurlogical conditions, but also , there may be something wrong with my heart as my heart rate has slowly risen over the past 5 months [far before cere], and now is usually between 90-100 BPM resting rate.

Okay, now for the good stuff. Even though I've been going through these problems, it seems I have a much more logical approach to handling them. Not sure if this is just me maturing or what. But also, it seems I am able to communicate with people a lot more effectively [my boss, co workers, girlfriend, doctor, people online]. And it's easier to be optimistic when I'm in my 'uptime'. Even though I'm pretty hopeless a lot of the time, I just realize that even though maybe I'm not exactly where I want to be in life, that I am making rational decisions, even if those happen to be the wrong ones. Being more decisive. Anxiety is still there but I am being a lot more mature about it when I can.

Another interesting effect I wanted to note was that I keep having these random childhood memories, like remembering details that were completely buried away inside my mind and probably never to be found again.

My injections are much easier now. I found out exactly where the needle goes and realized that you have to shoot it in quickly [if you have the right spot] and things will go much more smoothly.

I will continue the cerebrolysin and hopefully have good news later or even months down the line. Hopefully I can sort out whatever's going on with my heart/ anxiety in the mean time.

Anyway guys sorry for flooding the main thread I probably should have just made a blog lol.

[protoject]

Day 14-
What I noticed is that now my body seems much more sensitive to cerebrolysin. Not in terms of specific side effects such as headache which were present in the first 3 days, but in terms of an actual psychiatric effect. I am now finding that the substance is more activating. However I noticed that I am also restless at night time. At this point I believe it might even be rational to knock my dose down to 5mL rather than 10mL as I feel that an effect would be sustained.. . cerebrolysin does have a certain effect that's similar to noopept's, but more subtle and built up over time, as well as a more subduing feeling even though its still activating. Like I'm feeling a specific sort of deepening of the senses, lifting the mood from depression and easing a certain part of my anxiety. Anyway, this night of day 14 was one of those nights where you lay there, and you're relaxed, but you feel a kind of Akathisia, one that you try to decide not to move about, but you just cant help that your limbs feel uncomfortable and you're not dozing off. It is possible to dose off it's just that every time youre awake there's a kind of uncomfortable restlessness in your body. It's like any position you go into doesn't seem like a "sleeping position" so you have to keep changing positions and hoping you find the right one, or, just stop moving and hope that you will lose awareness of your body.

day 15- pretty much the same, I'm not at the night time part yet though.

There's a certain sense of being more "back to the world of senses", or even back to the original briskness that you felt when you were a kid. Like, back to the "outside world" where stuff is going on.

I don't necessarily feel a strong involvement in the world but I at least feel like I am back to it.

[manic_racetam]

Day 14-
What I noticed is that now my body seems much more sensitive to cerebrolysin. Not in terms of specific side effects such as headache which were present in the first 3 days, but in terms of an actual psychiatric effect. I am now finding that the substance is more activating. However I noticed that I am also restless at night time. At this point I believe it might even be rational to knock my dose down to 5mL rather than 10mL as I feel that an effect would be sustained.. . cerebrolysin does have a certain effect that's similar to noopept's, but more subtle and built up over time, as well as a more subduing feeling even though its still activating. Like I'm feeling a specific sort of deepening of the senses, lifting the mood from depression and easing a certain part of my anxiety. Anyway, this night of day 14 was one of those nights where you lay there, and you're relaxed, but you feel a kind of Akathisia, one that you try to decide not to move about, but you just cant help that your limbs feel uncomfortable and you're not dozing off. It is possible to dose off it's just that every time youre awake there's a kind of uncomfortable restlessness in your body. It's like any position you go into doesn't seem like a "sleeping position" so you have to keep changing positions and hoping you find the right one, or, just stop moving and hope that you will lose awareness of your body.

day 15- pretty much the same, I'm not at the night time part yet though.

There's a certain sense of being more "back to the world of senses", or even back to the original briskness that you felt when you were a kid. Like, back to the "outside world" where stuff is going on.

I don't necessarily feel a strong involvement in the world but I at least feel like I am back to it.

Sounds very promising. Really wish I had bought more my first time around. Looks like I ran out right before my body sensitized to it. Any effect on libido?