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[hooter]

Melatonin is very helpful in remedying Cerebrolysin insomnia. I personally prefer dosing 10ml over 5ml and just taking melatonin and smoking a joint before sleep. I find this to be a much better solution. Not only does melatonin help with sleep, but it also increases NGF if I am not mistaken. Double power!

[Arousal]

I'm absolutely impressed with all the Cbl reviews and experiences here about this nootropic.

I really have no idea how I want to use it, but it has to do with potentiating another nootropics, and MAINLY, give my whole mind a kind of RESET button.

I am such in a deep... hole, in this moment of my life. I need to get my head, my mind, memories and emotions, ambitions back. I have been drinking since 14 y/o (I'm 25) and smoking pot since 19.

As money is a big issue, Maybe I wanna first try the 1ml ampoules from supergear human. Was thinking on doing a 30 days cycle of so, without stopping. It would cost 90 dollars plus shipping plus materials.

Could it be worth in order to see the effects it gots on me before wasting more money? Thank you!

I would highly suggest just saving up your money, (ya know, like $15 a week or something put away) until you can AT LEAST afford 5ml/day for a month. If you want to see any drastic effects, this may be the only way to do so. 1ml a day would, I would expect, give you next to nothing, and be essentially a waste of money. With something like this, I feel like it's go big or go home.

Yeahh, probably you're completely right! It's just it's sooo damn expensive when you buy it online. And don't think my MD knows even about Cerebrolysin to write me a prescription.

I said that as an idea of how mix different nootropics with 1-3 ml of Cbl, but now I see I must get a month cycle done to get all the benefits.

I've been googling the Cerebrolysin status in Europe countries, found out it's approved in a lot of countries (maybe the more the East, thew more countries use it), and that you can getit even without prescription in some East countries. Also, i read some comments in this thread saying buying it in Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary... was waay cheaper and without prescr.
Could it be possible go to some country and get presentially a pack of Cbl cheap and without problems in EU?

Hi!! nice to see some new anecdotal experiences. I've used Cere for approx 5 months (5 different cycles) and found that 5 ml is perfect... 10 ml is a lot and You will start to experience sleeping issues if you do not take days off. the days off are probably to give your brain a break from all this extra brain power. I recognize that i prefer not taking any breaks, because life flows much easier on cerebrolysin, but i suspect you need days off.

One thing a never experienced though is the brain fog... it was 100% lifted.

also, i think i read about people using gauge 23 ?? you should definitly use gauge 25 with 1 inch... 23 is way too big in my opinion

Sunshinefrost, could you please tell us how spaced in time those five Cbl cycles were? Did you found out the effects stay with you after cessation, and if they are still there when you re-start Cerebrolysin? You think Cbl can maintain a substantially noticable benefits just cycling it?

Edited by Arousal, 13 November 2012 - 01:24 PM.

[spookytooth]

I currently live in Romania and Cerebrolysin can be bought in pharmacies without a prescription. The price is 125Lei per box (10mlx5).

[spookytooth]

I bought my first box from superhumangear for 90$ before I moved to Romania and it even still had the 125Lei price tag on it. They're just buying the stuff in some Romanian pharmacy and sell it for triple the price online. What a ripoff.

[FDA Approved]

I currently live in Romania and Cerebrolysin can be bought in pharmacies without a prescription. The price is 125Lei per box (10mlx5).

Can you do this in any pharmacy? I can cheaply go to Romania if this is the case. Can you give me more info or anything that I might need to know to find Cere in a pharmacy, as I do not know any romanian to find info on the topic.

[spookytooth]

I bought Cerebrolysin in a few pharmacies and was only once asked for a prescription. Since there are a couple of pharmacies in every street basically that is not a problem. Most drugs seem to require a prescription but are sold otc nonetheless. It is called Cerebrolysin over here too. Sometimes they only sell either the 5ml or the 10ml vials. In case they don't have the ones you want or want to see a prescription you just go to the pharmacy 20m next to it ^^ A few other nootropics like hydergine are sold otc as well. Same thing there. When they tell you they don't sell it just go to the next pharmacy. Chances are high they will.

Edited by spookytooth, 13 November 2012 - 03:39 PM.

[FDA Approved]

I bought Cerebrolysin in a few pharmacies and was only once asked for a prescription. Since there are a couple of pharmacies in every street basically that is not a problem. Most drugs seem to require a prescription but are sold otc nonetheless. It is called Cerebrolysin over here too. Sometimes they only sell either the 5ml or the 10ml vials. In case they don't have the ones you want or want to see a prescription you just go to the pharmacy 20m next to it ^^ A few other nootropics like hydergine are sold otc as well. Same thing there. When they tell you they don't sell it just go to the next pharmacy. Chances are high they will.

Thanks, I will go in a month to check it out and hopefully I can start reaping the benefits from Cerebrolysin by Christmas!

[chairofgold]

I bought my first box from superhumangear for 90$ before I moved to Romania and it even still had the 125Lei price tag on it. They're just buying the stuff in some Romanian pharmacy and sell it for triple the price online. What a ripoff.

That's unfortunate for us that have to pay the $90. I wish there was a pharmacy in Romania that can deal with USA at a cheaper price than what is selling online. Can you ask them if they could set up an online site, or if they have one, can a person from USA buy Cbl from them?

[spookytooth]

There is not one central person or pharmacy to talk to. They are dozens of rivalling companies. Also they don't seem to be very flexible as in my experience when they don't carry a certain product they will tell you either that it doesn't exist or that it can not be ordered. So I highly doubt that there is a pharmacy that will ship anything to the US. What I advice you to do is to order Cerebrolysin from an international pharmacy in Austria. They are also cheaper than what you are paying right now. This is what I used to do. The only problem is that you need to email them a prescription which if you really want Cere should be feasible.
kaiserkrone.at is the one I used to order from. They even carry the 30ml and 50ml vials.

[spookytooth]

I used google.ro to search for international shipping farmacies and these came up: http://www.farmaciastejara.ro/ http://www.farmacie-ieftina.ro/ http://www.pcfarm.ro/ http://www.efarma.ro/ http://evofarm.ro/
Maybe they'll ship to the US, please post your findings!

Edited by spookytooth, 15 November 2012 - 04:43 PM.

[protoject]

thanks man I hope that will be useful because I do think considering the effect of cerebrolysin, Im not sure its worth nearly 400 dollars, its really far too expensive.

[chairofgold]

I used google.ro to search for international shipping farmacies and these came up: http://www.farmaciastejara.ro/ http://www.farmacie-ieftina.ro/ http://www.pcfarm.ro/ http://www.efarma.ro/ http://evofarm.ro/
Maybe they'll ship to the US, please post your findings!

Yes, thanks also for those links. I will be starting another regime tomorrow of 5 x 10ml treatment. I have so far noticed a strong built up effect. For example, I can only tolerate 1/2 cup of coffee in the am, this keeps me awake all day. Second, Cbl with Lions mane has caused me extreme potency, to the point that I have an erection when I wake up. I only had this problem as a teenager, but now in my mid 30's. As a result, I will have to cut down on the lion's mane by half and document the results here as well for educational purposes.

Last, I may have to hire someone to email these online pharmacies in order to find out if they take USA credit cards, and if they can ship items here as well. I will have to start with a small batch and then order more once I gain their trust and as an establishment is made as a regular customer. Once I initiate a connection as a regular customer, I will post the information here. I'm sure this will help all of us who are economical with spending. I have a 6 month supply of Cbl though, so this process probably wont happen for a while because I am not in need of Cbl vials at this time, unless otherwise repeatedly prompted for my and your benefit but please be prudent and considerate if you are thinking about that though, LOL!

Last, this may be a journey and a pivotal point as well in ways to obtain Cbl at a lower price. But if not done soon, than someone else will have to step up to the plate. I guess this will all depend on how badly you want Cbl at a more reasonable price though.

Edited by chairofgold, 16 November 2012 - 01:54 AM.

[spookytooth]

which brand of Lion's mane would you recommend: fungihealth.com, mushroomharvest.com or something completely different? on fungihealth.com it says it is an extract but not how strong it is. does anyone know that?

Edited by spookytooth, 16 November 2012 - 08:24 AM.

[sunshinefrost]

New study from nov 14...

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/23152192

Cerebrolysin modulates pronerve growth factor/nerve growth factor ratio and ameliorates the cholinergic deficit in a transgenic model of Alzheimer's disease.

AuthorsUbhi K, et al. Show all Journal
J Neurosci Res. 2012 Nov 14. doi: 10.1002/jnr.23142. [Epub ahead of print]

Affiliation
Department of Neurosciences, University of California San Diego, La Jolla, California.

Abstract
Alzheimer's disease (AD) is characterized by degeneration of neocortex, limbic system, and basal forebrain, accompanied by accumulation of amyloid-β and tangle formation. Cerebrolysin (CBL), a peptide mixture with neurotrophic-like effects, is reported to improve cognition and activities of daily living in patients with AD. Likewise, CBL reduces synaptic and behavioral deficits in transgenic (tg) mice overexpressing the human amyloid precursor protein (hAPP). The neuroprotective effects of CBL may involve multiple mechanisms, including signaling regulation, control of APP metabolism, and expression of neurotrophic factors. We investigate the effects of CBL in the hAPP tg model of AD on levels of neurotrophic factors, including pro-nerve growth factor (NGF), NGF, brain-derived neurotrophic factor (BDNF), neurotropin (NT)-3, NT4, and ciliary neurotrophic factor (CNTF). Immunoblot analysis demonstrated that levels of pro-NGF were increased in saline-treated hAPP tg mice. In contrast, CBL-treated hAPP tg mice showed levels of pro-NGF comparable to control and increased levels of mature NGF. Consistently with these results, immunohistochemical analysis demonstrated increased NGF immunoreactivity in the hippocampus of CBL-treated hAPP tg mice. Protein levels of other neurotrophic factors, including BDNF, NT3, NT4, and CNTF, were unchanged. mRNA levels of NGF and other neurotrophins were also unchanged. Analysis of neurotrophin receptors showed preservation of the levels of TrKA and p75(NTR) immunoreactivity per cell in the nucleus basalis. Cholinergic cells in the nucleus basalis were reduced in the saline-treated hAPP tg mice, and treatment with CBL reduced these cholinergic deficits. These results suggest that the neurotrophic effects of CBL might involve modulation of the pro-NGF/NGF balance and a concomitant protection of cholinergic neurons. © 2012 Wiley Periodicals, Inc.

Copyright © 2012 Wiley Periodicals, Inc.
PMID 23152192

[chairofgold]

which brand of Lion's mane would you recommend: fungihealth.com, mushroomharvest.com or something completely different? on fungihealth.com it says it is an extract but not how strong it is. does anyone know that?

Spookytooth, I use fungihealth Lion's Mane. Please read post number 888 and 892 as a point of reference.

[spookytooth]

Thank you, I must have overread that

[Mr Matsubayashi]

Package arrived after dancing tango with Australian customs.

Drug test performed, came back negative for
Amphetamines
Barbiturates
Buprenorphine
Benzodiazepines
Cocaine
Methamphetamines
Methylenedioxymethamphetamine
Morphine
Methadone
Opiates
Cannabis
Ketamine

But we already knew this right?

I'll perform another drug test one week after use.

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Edited by Mr Matsubayashi, 20 November 2012 - 09:23 AM.

[Mr Matsubayashi]

Smells like Soy Sauce
Tastes Like Soy Sauce without the salt, gross

[Mr Matsubayashi]

Box was boring, no holographic. No brain symbol on the ampules. I have sent the serials and EXP dates to EVER Neuro for validation.

It is possible that the holographic was removed when inspected by customs.

There was braille like markings on the front of the box.

Package was sent from Hungary

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Edited by Mr Matsubayashi, 20 November 2012 - 10:24 AM.

[hooter]

why would customs possibly remove the holographic?

[Mr Matsubayashi]

It may have sealed the packages, but even so there is no reason for them to meticulously remove the entire holographic after opening them. It might be safe to say it never had one.

[Mr Matsubayashi]

I removed the sticker from one of the ampoules, underneath in red writing I found the text: Cerebrolysin ®

[sunshinefrost]

I've ordered often from different places and with the info you gave it looks real; the smell, the graph underneath, the boxes. They dont sand blast the bottles anymore from what i received previously. The customs in canada do cut the hollogram but rarely remove it. Is there a serial number on each vial ? Did you receive the light sheet of instructions in foreign language in there ?

[Mr Matsubayashi]

There are serial numbers on each ampoule, they are the same as the number on the box and all 10ml boxes have the same number (4).
The serial number on the 1ml ampoules and box is different to the 10ml.
The boxes have evidence of a white price tag since removed.
The serial number and EXP date text on the boxes is indented as if printed by mechanical means.
On close inspection there is no evidence of any sticker having previously acted as a security seal.
There is only one score line on the underside of the 10ml ampoules.
The cerebrolysin logo underneath the ampoule label is sufficient evidence for me to believe they're genuine.
I'll let you know if EVER Neuro reply to my email for serial validation.

I was considering an alternative method of opening ampoules, punch a hole with a propane jet lighter or equivalent on the upper side of the ampoule. Suspend the ampoule in a body of water to dissipate excess heat.

The glass used for ampoules is thin and is originally sealed using methods such as a propane torch.

I don't like the idea of changing needles or harboring excess injection equipment.

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Edited by Mr Matsubayashi, 21 November 2012 - 08:43 AM.

[Mr Matsubayashi]

Haha fail.

I wasn't sure if propane without oxygen would be hot enough. The glass went bright yellow and deformed, not the hole punch effect I had hoped for. I guess I'll need to decide on whether to go filtered or not. A tungsten soldering iron that could reach 3000 degrees could work.....

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Edited by Mr Matsubayashi, 21 November 2012 - 11:04 AM.

[Rior]

Quick update: I am thirteen days in at this point. The effects are compounding, however the initial effects post-injection are not quite as great as the lasting effects I feel without any injection. With the injection, I still feel a great feeling of calm, but certainly some brain fog. This is even after having switched to 5mL a day. Could be somehow semi-related to the fact that I'm 20 years old, but I'm not entirely sure. That said, my general cognition is in an entirely new state. Today is my first off day in about 5-6 days, and today's the day I've noticed the benefits the most. Perhaps the best way to describe the new fluidity of thinking would be to compare linear, vs. multi-directional thought. Although this may be a bit of an abstract way to describe it, it's the best way I can think of right now. Let's say that, before the induction of Cerebrolysin into my supplement regimen, I was thinking linearly. My thoughts were comparable to a person on this earth, walking down a sidewalk. That person could walk forwards, or backwards, and move left to right slightly, but the OVERALL capacity for changing direction wasn't very large. In terms of my thoughts, it now feels as if I were more likened to a fish in water. My brain has been "woken up" so-to-speak. Not entirely, as it feels as if there's more to come. Granted, this is using a spatial example to try and represent a relatively abstract concept--that which cannot be so described through spatial means. But I would hope that it makes some bit of sense.

To try and explain it in different terms, it's as if the river that is my thoughts now branches into multiple other rivers/streams, if you will. When I'm riding my canoe down my thoughts, I now have multiple path options. It's almost as if I can literally feel the new neuronal connections that were created, solely on the basis that my mind is giving me new directions to think in.

This may be nonsensical, but I see it as the best way to describe how I'm feeling at this point. Fortunately, I've also got another 25-30 days to go!

[stablemind]

Quick update: I am thirteen days in at this point. The effects are compounding, however the initial effects post-injection are not quite as great as the lasting effects I feel without any injection. With the injection, I still feel a great feeling of calm, but certainly some brain fog. This is even after having switched to 5mL a day. Could be somehow semi-related to the fact that I'm 20 years old, but I'm not entirely sure. That said, my general cognition is in an entirely new state. Today is my first off day in about 5-6 days, and today's the day I've noticed the benefits the most. Perhaps the best way to describe the new fluidity of thinking would be to compare linear, vs. multi-directional thought. Although this may be a bit of an abstract way to describe it, it's the best way I can think of right now. Let's say that, before the induction of Cerebrolysin into my supplement regimen, I was thinking linearly. My thoughts were comparable to a person on this earth, walking down a sidewalk. That person could walk forwards, or backwards, and move left to right slightly, but the OVERALL capacity for changing direction wasn't very large. In terms of my thoughts, it now feels as if I were more likened to a fish in water. My brain has been "woken up" so-to-speak. Not entirely, as it feels as if there's more to come. Granted, this is using a spatial example to try and represent a relatively abstract concept--that which cannot be so described through spatial means. But I would hope that it makes some bit of sense.

To try and explain it in different terms, it's as if the river that is my thoughts now branches into multiple other rivers/streams, if you will. When I'm riding my canoe down my thoughts, I now have multiple path options. It's almost as if I can literally feel the new neuronal connections that were created, solely on the basis that my mind is giving me new directions to think in.

This may be nonsensical, but I see it as the best way to describe how I'm feeling at this point. Fortunately, I've also got another 25-30 days to go!

What are you trying to fix? How's its impact on your memory?

[Rior]

Quick update: I am thirteen days in at this point. The effects are compounding, however the initial effects post-injection are not quite as great as the lasting effects I feel without any injection. With the injection, I still feel a great feeling of calm, but certainly some brain fog. This is even after having switched to 5mL a day. Could be somehow semi-related to the fact that I'm 20 years old, but I'm not entirely sure. That said, my general cognition is in an entirely new state. Today is my first off day in about 5-6 days, and today's the day I've noticed the benefits the most. Perhaps the best way to describe the new fluidity of thinking would be to compare linear, vs. multi-directional thought. Although this may be a bit of an abstract way to describe it, it's the best way I can think of right now. Let's say that, before the induction of Cerebrolysin into my supplement regimen, I was thinking linearly. My thoughts were comparable to a person on this earth, walking down a sidewalk. That person could walk forwards, or backwards, and move left to right slightly, but the OVERALL capacity for changing direction wasn't very large. In terms of my thoughts, it now feels as if I were more likened to a fish in water. My brain has been "woken up" so-to-speak. Not entirely, as it feels as if there's more to come. Granted, this is using a spatial example to try and represent a relatively abstract concept--that which cannot be so described through spatial means. But I would hope that it makes some bit of sense.

To try and explain it in different terms, it's as if the river that is my thoughts now branches into multiple other rivers/streams, if you will. When I'm riding my canoe down my thoughts, I now have multiple path options. It's almost as if I can literally feel the new neuronal connections that were created, solely on the basis that my mind is giving me new directions to think in.

This may be nonsensical, but I see it as the best way to describe how I'm feeling at this point. Fortunately, I've also got another 25-30 days to go!

What are you trying to fix? How's its impact on your memory?

Honestly, I've seen little in terms of memory improvement. What I've noticed the most of is an increase in critical thinking ability, and generally enhanced capacity for abstract thought. My thoughts feel a lot more fluid, a lot clearer. It's a continual improvement though. I've slacked off more than I would have liked to in terms of working out every day, meditating every day, etc. I leave my family to go back to my normal life in a few days and plan to go at it with full force with everything I initially planned. The best effects are certainly most noticeable *after* the doses have been completed. I believe that after working on dual-n-back daily for the next couple weeks, working memory should be vastly improved. I'm also considering taking Magnesium L-threonate alongside for the purposes of long-term memory enhancement.

I'm trying to fix what were the results of five concussions over my lifetime. The last one I received happened a little over three years ago, however I've felt the impacts since then. It's just a real shame I didn't know about cerebrolysin around the time or shortly after my last concussion. It's sad to me that it isn't more well-known :( So many people receive life-changing concussions that could be very well ameliorated quickly and easily with a cbl regimen shortly after receiving the concussions.

[sunshinefrost]

Well said Rior.... I sincerely think you made the best choice to heal and reverse your concussions. So, Good for you ! you made your researches and found the best available nootropic in my opinion. We live in a great era because ordinary people can have access to cutting edge
Products like cerebrolysin and really counter the effects of concussions. It really is a shame that doctors have no clue about cerebrolysin.

My suggestion would be to continue for a whole year on it ( 3 cycles). I did 5 cycles and each time i really am amazed of the benefits i get from it.

[sunshinefrost]

I have no proofs that cerebrolysin counters any effects, that's just my opinion after trying it. Thought i should clarify.