265 replies to this topic

[Mr. Pink]

Anybody else stacked it with Pramiracetam? I know it is mood flattening, but for that removes the irritability from noopept.

yes after being on noopept for 2 months or so, i added prami. At that point, the initial irritability (from noopept?) had resolved itself. I started taking 300mg prami capsules in addition to 10 mg of noopept, seperated by 4-6 hours or so. Honestly, I did not feel any subjective effects of the prami. The noopept I had felt from the first dose. But it seemed that my memory was decent, though not sure if it was placebo, so I just kept on taking it till my bottle of prami was done, which was just long enough to get me through finals.

So my subjective conclusion is that noopept is awsome; I am taking a month off and will continue taking it next semester. Prami on the other hand, is too pricey to buy again, considering i didn't really feel *anything* from it (which doesn't necessarily mean it didn't help me, but for that kind of $, I want to feel my brain kicking in hardcore).

So maybe I will try mixing the noopept with piracetam instead, if I can find a cheap source.

[machete234]

I just wanted to ask if it makes sense for me to try noopept because piracetam seems to make me depressed (not so much that I think about killing myself but bad enough), the thing is I didnt get depressed with aniracetam.
So does this depression for some noopept users exist?

[Geoffrey]

Some people have reported irritability on noopept, but not generally depression afaik. If you did not get depressed with ani, there's a good chance you won't with noopept. For me, noopept produced euphoria at first. After a couple of days, the settles into a sense of just being more alert and having better access to long-lost memories. But it builds up quickly in your system, and I found I needed to reduce the dosage quite drastically after a week or so (cutting tablets in half, then in quarters).

[SummerUser]

I've been nonactive here for quite some time, but here it goes:
First of all on Noopept toxicity:
I've used doses from 5mg to circa 6000mg per day without any adverse side effects at all.
I'm still alive and kicking so this stuff is pretty safe.
I'd say that it's much more safe and natural than piracetam. Noopept was the only thing that helped me with
"piracetam withdrawal". I too thought that it was just a hoax, but after stopping piracetam, I never did return to baseline.
Noopept fixed that right away. No more brain fog or strange mood swings.
After many experiments with doses, I've found that 10-20mg once a day is the best for me. It just works. All you need to do is follow your regimen. Yes, you won't get all the nice effects of higher dosing, but slight increase in cognitive abilities and mood is all I need. So less is more applies here. Thanks everyone and good luck.
Edit: It's a bit funny and personal, but I'll share it. I've read a lot here about decrease in libido while on noopept. I've dosed 1g noopept and 2g aniracetam and effect was similar to viagra. Maybe it's just my strange brain chemistry, but my libido usually goes up on noopept and skyrockets if I add some aniracetam. I never dose like this after the accident.
I also used noopept as a remedy after a "heat stroke" or whatever you call it (I've passed out in sauna). I've been quite dizzy after it and tried some noopept (like 30mg I think). Dizziness was gone the next morning, but I had very little noopept left (only for a few days). After discontinuing the "treatment" dizziness came back and it took about a week to recuperate from the "stroke" (it's normal). So noopept was doing something behind the scene, cause I felt totally normal even while healing was an ongoing process.

Edited by SummerUser, 05 February 2013 - 12:37 PM.

[SnowFlake]

First nootropic I've ever taken. I think that I have already started to respond quite well to it. The biggest change for me has been the almost infinite mental energy. In the past when I have had to calculate long physics tasks, if I would've encountered something that I have not quite understood and needed to think it through again a few times, my brain would just freeze up at some point after being on the task for long enough. On noopept my head stays clear and on the task, oiled and running. It's a really weird feeling.

The effects on mood have also been substantial. I have also already started to notice some improvements in speaking foreign language. English is much easier for me to write than speak. Sometimes when I try to speak in English I might end up thinking for the right word for ages. The word flow seems to have improved somewhat.

EDIT: My current dose has been 40mg in the morning.

Edited by SnowFlake, 10 February 2013 - 08:20 PM.

[debu]

I noticed an increase in 3D depth perception, if that makes sense. I could sort of understand the dimensions of objects and how they related to each other better. It's damn hard to explain without sounding like I'm on acid. This was an effect that was totally unlooked for and has remained so I think it's probably legit.

you're not imagining it, I don't notice it on noopept so much, but on aniracetam or lion's mane I know exactly what you are talking about. Really cool effect

lol, good to know! :p

I agree it is really cool. It's not something that really provides me with any benefits, and the effect has lessened somewhat over the last few weeks, but wow... I turned around and suddenly everything just looked different and realer somehow. I remember going outside (I have the luxury of working on a boat ramp in a marina) and checking out all the docks and the water and just thinking, "That is amazing!" It was ostensibly my first noticed effect that didn't make me immediately think, "Placebo!"

Same here. I play 3d Tetris and my scores have gone slightly up. Also, notice myself noticing architecture and the way things are designed more.

[machete234]

I ordered a gram of noopept from vantagecc on ebay, its also very cheap in comparison to other racetams.
(The seller also admitted to importing from china as does anybody else and my guess is it might be probably sun nootropics.
The point is at least hes honest about it and the only 100% safety would be importing the russian original pills for 10x the price)

Since I had this mood issue with piracetam I will start at a very low dose of 5mg or so and I never had any problems" not feeling" a racetam.
With the negatives reportet here like low libido and irritability this seems reasonable.
Also if I got bad mood from piracetam that took 3 days to creep in and 3 days to vanish so a whole week would be lost and if I can be less angry by dosing half I think thats a good idea.

[SnowFlake]

With the negatives reportet here like low libido.

Funny, I have actually experienced the exact opposite... :D

[machete234]

But maybe you are in the minority and I experienced less libido with aniracetam too but its not ED so when it should work it did.

[Daemian_shwartz]

Hello, noopept user here. Russian brand name only. I have done one course so far. I'm 20, 130 lbs, cannabis user, Modafinil user 3 years by perscription, 1/3 through course of bupropion for smoking cessation.

So with my experience with noopept. Is that it works best taken 2-3 times a day at 10mg a dose. I notice a huge improvement in sleep, mood, and focus improvements in 6-7 days. 14-20 days at 20 mgs a day split dose, I notice large improvement in memory recall, short term, consolidation, clear thoughts, improved problem solving/creativity. The effect seem to get stronger after chronic administration. In combination with modafinil of I found it reduced the amount of tachycardia and headaches I occasionally experienced. Noopept helped erase the effects of sleep deprivation from daily modafinil use.

Conclusion, overall improvement in all areas of memory, verbal/visual acuity, flowing thoughts, overall increased perception, reduce negative effects if toxic effects of drugs (glutamate build up from sleep deprivation) amphetamines. Helps counter act memory impairments from cannabis. Mental motivation. The key is chronic administration, sleep, and nutrition this way I believe you will find the best effects. Be patient you'll notice some effects by day 7 and definite effects at day 20 and is suggested to go 35 more days after before a break. Mega dosing is not suggested because 1 you'll get more out of your Stash if you spread it out, 2 you may have complications including headache s, possible neurological impairment and death. Its a powerful compound. Taking a higher dosage won't produce clinical effectiveness chronic administration does.

[stablemind]

Anyone notice that the inclusion of Choline is necessary for Noopept to have significant effects? I find that after a few hours of dosing Noopept, my mind becomes sluggish. Today after I added CDP Choline, my mind became clear again and I noticed a remarkable improvement in memory.

[BioFreak]

The main problem I have with noopept is that it feels temporary to me. Like minutes after taking 20mg noopept my concentration goes up, visual perception is increased. But this lasts for a few hours at best, and I am far away from endless mental stamina like someone mentioned here... :(

I've been taking it 2weeks+.

My current dosage is 40mg noopept a day, plus 500mg centrophenoxine a day. In addition I take a bit tyrosine, and mucuna (whole bean powder), b complex, o3 with high epa, alcar, low dose lithium.

I've found that increasing dopamine helps alot with the sluggish feeling, in fact I was going as high as 80mg/day without any side effects. Just did not seem like the benefits would increase as well.

"Arrogance" definitely increased. I can't stand stupidity or illogicality.

[machete234]

I think noopept is in many respects similar to a racetam but its also with less side effects or they dont bother me as much as with Piracetam and Aniracetam. What it has in common with ani is for example that it DOES NOT help with motivation and reenforces avoidant behavior in me and in public I am maybe more self concious than in my normal state at the same time theres a paradox anxiolithic effect where I can interact well with people. The main problem is that it doesnt turn me exactly into a work horse so for my next academic project I guess I will determine what I will have to do and what sources I will have to read etc and while reading a lot the Noopept might come in handy. There is just this dizzyness not giving a damn feeling that doesnt get things started. I used no choline since I dont like that stuff instinctively and I dont want to put significant amounts of that fish powder in my body but I use a pill of fish oil when I feel pressure in the head which is mild since I dose low definately below 10mg a dose. Dammit I clicked remove format, sorry for this wall of text

Edited by machete234, 27 February 2013 - 09:51 PM.

[Azzidic]

The main problem I have with noopept is that it feels temporary to me. Like minutes after taking 20mg noopept my concentration goes up, visual perception is increased. But this lasts for a few hours at best, and I am far away from endless mental stamina like someone mentioned here... :(

I've been taking it 2weeks+.

My current dosage is 40mg noopept a day, plus 500mg centrophenoxine a day. In addition I take a bit tyrosine, and mucuna (whole bean powder), b complex, o3 with high epa, alcar, low dose lithium.

I've found that increasing dopamine helps alot with the sluggish feeling, in fact I was going as high as 80mg/day without any side effects. Just did not seem like the benefits would increase as well.

"Arrogance" definitely increased. I can't stand stupidity or illogicality.

I feel you on this completely.

[Curtis Dunn]

Noopept is the first and only nootropic I have tried. I have noticed a lot of focus and energy. Also something I don't see discussed very often is for workouts. For me it helped my energy and I lasted longer and did more. Has anyone else had this effect?

[BioFreak]

Also I was getting tired on noopept (at least I think it is noopept thats causing this). Recently I have added 500-1000mg cdp-choline to the mix and everything was finde. Maybe it really needs to be stacked with enough choline sources

[Curtis Dunn]

Also I was getting tired on noopept (at least I think it is noopept thats causing this). Recently I have added 500-1000mg cdp-choline to the mix and everything was finde. Maybe it really needs to be stacked with enough choline sources

Thanks for sharing! I haven't been able to get all the way awake today. I'll try an egg or two.

[Ben]

Almost exactly what I felt when taking it. It's uncanny.

The main problem I have with noopept is that it feels temporary to me. Like minutes after taking 20mg noopept my concentration goes up, visual perception is increased. But this lasts for a few hours at best, and I am far away from endless mental stamina like someone mentioned here... :(

I've been taking it 2weeks+.

My current dosage is 40mg noopept a day, plus 500mg centrophenoxine a day. In addition I take a bit tyrosine, and mucuna (whole bean powder), b complex, o3 with high epa, alcar, low dose lithium.

I've found that increasing dopamine helps alot with the sluggish feeling, in fact I was going as high as 80mg/day without any side effects. Just did not seem like the benefits would increase as well.

"Arrogance" definitely increased. I can't stand stupidity or illogicality.

[NootNewb]

Just got my order of noopept in today. Took 10mg (or however much the small spoon thing that came with the noopept measures out)on an empty stomach and....don't know if I felt anything. I guess in the first five minutes I did feel a sort of "swimmingness" in my head. After about 15 minutes, I took another 10mg to see how it panned out. Again, felt a weird sort of "high" within minutes, but it faded away.

For the rest of the day, I felt rather normal. I guess I was more open minded and talkative than usual, but I don't want to immediately chalk it up to the noopept.

So how's noopept with sleep?

[norepinephrine]

Reflecting on the aggregate of my racetam trials so far, I think Noopept has turned out to be my favorite.

For one, the price/dosage ratio is unbeatable, even versus piracetam. I paid sub-$10 for a gram shipped last Fall, and am still going through the batch.

The FDA apparently isn't interested in making Noopept's trade more cumbersome, which is also a bonus compared to piracetam.

Mostly, though, besides an occasional bout of irritability, I really haven't noticed much in the way of side effects versus the other racetams. Piracetam generally works well for up to a week after I've had some time away from it, but the effects seem too unpredictable to really be able to rely steadily on it. Although my worst racetam-induced depressive episodes were with aniracetam, something about withdrawing from piractam seems to produce the same if I cut it out cold turkey after a week or more of dosing. In addition, the alcohol tolerance-lowering effect of piracetam doesn't seem to be as prominent as with Noopept, nor do I have to worry as often about balancing choline levels. Finally, I've noticed nearly all racetams (with the possible exception of pram- and oxi-) temporarily depress my libido, but Noopept may be the most minor of the bunch in that regard.

As far as effects are concerned, whenever I've taken Noopept orally it has always been more akin to piracetam, but sublingual is always more pronounced and slightly different than the regular racetams - mostly in the stimulative sense. The trouble, though, lies in having to redose 4-5 hours later and having to carry a tiny scoop/Noopept bag on you vs. just having a few pills to swallow, given sublingual peaks earlier and has a briefer duration.

In the end, I think Noopept is worth about what it costs, with prami-, ani- and oxi- being likely priced at rates above their intrinsic benefits. In my experience, racetams - nor racetam-derived peptides are not the miracle drug they occasionally get made out to be, but they do provide a minor gain in the context of an already healthy lifestyle.

[march83]

Anyone notice that the inclusion of Choline is necessary for Noopept to have significant effects? I find that after a few hours of dosing Noopept, my mind becomes sluggish. Today after I added CDP Choline, my mind became clear again and I noticed a remarkable improvement in memory.

I've been digging around and i haven't found any definitive research stating either way, but i've found more than a few bold statements saying that it isn't necessary while others have noted that using a choline source makes a difference (clearing choline headaches, that sort of thing). pretty hard to piece it all together when anecdotal evidence lacks the rest of the person's stack (are they combining it with racetams) or diet (do they live on eggs)...

personally, i started with noopept about 10 days ago with 1x20mg and within about 3 days i was getting slight headaches. I added 500mg of choline bitartrate to the mix to try and deal with the slight headaches and upped my noopept to 2x30mg to try and double up on the stimulant-type effects on the 4th day. on day 7 i had horrible brain fog (not as bad as keto-flu, but similar - very poor short term memory) and i was extremely irritable. I cut the choline down to 100mg and cut my dose back to 1x30mg and i'm not getting brain fog or headaches.

my guess is that the headaches were a result of low choline and the brainfog was a result of too much choline so it seems for me at least it's a fine line. i will try 100mg every other day once my diet settles down a little and i get back to eating lots of eggs like usual.

Throughout all of this I've experienced a notable increase in mental endurance and work rate. I was getting motivational surges with the multiple, larger doses too but this is less apparent on a single smaller dose. I've had a few bouts of mild euphoria and connection with long forgotten memories and music but nothing overly intense.

Lastly, I eat low carb so I intend to do some experimentation over the coming weeks (once i've settled into a comfortable dosing routine) of combining my noopept dose with carb intake to try to maximise the short term stimulant-type effects.

Edited by march83, 05 March 2013 - 06:12 AM.

[Major Legend]

Anyone taken noopept for a period of few months continuously with success? I find that the effects come and go, the effects greatly diminishes after the first few days, even with a 3 week break I have been unable to replicate the first effect I had where everything was enhanced, increased motivation plus sleep normalization. (I have written about this in the long term thread in greater detail)

Plus as a film editor/compositor, I realize my energy is better on Noopept (the first few days anyways, i'm still running extensive trials with breaks, testing different combinations), however my creativity/sensitivity is also greatly impaired, as I simply don't care as much (which is a good thing for non-creatives), whilst I have more energy, I just don't "feel" the highs and lows of observing my own work or other peoples work on it. Like watching a film, you ware watching with focus but missing all the little touches, messages and the beauty of the flow.

I also feel that some effects of Noopept doesn't subside upon cessation some aspects of myself are better, yet I have a subjective feeling of down regulation caused by Noopept, my sensitivity to everything seems generally less, my brain just doesn't seem to be the same in little ways. I don't know what long term changes Noopept causes to the brain, it may be different for other people, but I have a strong feeling that Noopept causes everlasting changes to the brain - whether this is good or bad remains to be seen.

e.g. my verbal fluency seems to be altered, whilst I seem to have ease in writing but my spelling is not as good as it used to be, my memory is similar but access seems to be slower and with less intensity and emotions, however at the same time my memory seem to be more "together" like its a smaller place. I take notice in things less, but have a more general sense of clarity - it feels as if my IQ is lower but I can't point my finger as to what, at the same time my up and downs mood and focus wise is much less severe than before.

Edited by Major Legend, 05 March 2013 - 08:12 AM.

[machete234]

I took irregularly without trying to do anything to my choline be it diet or supplementing and had no choline troubles.
The dose was as I wrote before under 10mg, I dont kid myself and think I can measure that accurately with my scale and I did not go over 10mg a dose until now Id rather dose 2times a day to keep the effect. (Making it a total of 15-20mg)

Dosing it higher an trying to get something out of it that it cannot provide could be the reason some people have problems with it.

The irregular dosing is to keep the effects it has for as long as possible that means the slightly stimulant effects and the mood boost also I feel that I should use it as an enhancing drug for some experiences and for specific information intake.

Edited by machete234, 05 March 2013 - 10:48 AM.

[prunk]

Anyone taken noopept for a period of few months continuously with success? I find that the effects come and go, the effects greatly diminishes after the first few days, even with a 3 week break I have been unable to replicate the first effect I had where everything was enhanced, increased motivation plus sleep normalization. (I have written about this in the long term thread in greater detail)

Plus as a film editor/compositor, I realize my energy is better on Noopept (the first few days anyways, i'm still running extensive trials with breaks, testing different combinations), however my creativity/sensitivity is also greatly impaired, as I simply don't care as much (which is a good thing for non-creatives), whilst I have more energy, I just don't "feel" the highs and lows of observing my own work or other peoples work on it. Like watching a film, you ware watching with focus but missing all the little touches, messages and the beauty of the flow.

I also feel that some effects of Noopept doesn't subside upon cessation some aspects of myself are better, yet I have a subjective feeling of down regulation caused by Noopept, my sensitivity to everything seems generally less, my brain just doesn't seem to be the same in little ways. I don't know what long term changes Noopept causes to the brain, it may be different for other people, but I have a strong feeling that Noopept causes everlasting changes to the brain - whether this is good or bad remains to be seen.

e.g. my verbal fluency seems to be altered, whilst I seem to have ease in writing but my spelling is not as good as it used to be, my memory is similar but access seems to be slower and with less intensity and emotions, however at the same time my memory seem to be more "together" like its a smaller place. I take notice in things less, but have a more general sense of clarity - it feels as if my IQ is lower but I can't point my finger as to what, at the same time my up and downs mood and focus wise is much less severe than before.

Would you think your overall cognition is now better than before Noopept or is it the opposite?

[Major Legend]

Would you think your overall cognition is now better than before Noopept or is it the opposite?

I cant give a conclusive answer right now - i would say my intelligence and recall is worse in general, however noopept has removed my brain fog substantially, i just dont seem to be able to get my brain functioning vividly with or after noopept usage, what noopept does do is make me feel stimulated at times.

[BioFreak]

I've done some tests with choline. Seems like when I take cdp choline (1000mg) and/or lecithin (7g+) a day, noopept no longer causes me to get sleepy (although I am not sure it was the noopept) and there is no problem with brain fog etc. However, I've also upped my mucuna seed powder intake.

Dopamine and acetylcholine seem to be somewhat interconnected in their effects and I think this might affect how noopept works.
My theory is that noopept not only lowers acetylcholine but dopamine as well. It could lower acetylcholine through using choline in another way (hence brainfog, tiredness for some without additional choline). At the same time a higher functioning of the brain may require more catecholamines... Kind of like the effect stress has, lowering catecholamines.

Forgot to say: the arrogance feeling and almost agressive thinking when "stupidity enters the room" (lol) is greatly diminished with 1000mg cdp choline (I'm taking alcar too). Acetylcholine is also responsible for empathy etc so... seems to make sense.
When I think about it, some of the side effects can be attributed to low acetylcholine levels. Brain fog, tiredness, arrogance(category empathy)...

Edited by BioFreak, 05 March 2013 - 08:34 PM.