173 replies to this topic

[lynx]

And now you're threatening legal action against us if we test your products.

What have you got to hide Mike "M" of smartpowders.com?

Ben, this post is idiotic. Chain of custody is a pillar of any forensics or other testing. Please lay off. In another post you claimed that there were "shills" standing up for Mike. I joined Imminst.org in '03, you joined in '08, so I'd say I have a lot more credibility on this than you. Just let it go.

edit: Furthermore, there are dozens of posts and threads here on imminst about testing and COAs, if you guys had bothered to search you would see that this topic has been hammered to death. Instead, you want to stand up on your soapbox as if this were an original thought. Your self-righteousness is nothing new and solves nothing. If you were really concerned, you would just do the damn test and then suffer the consequences.

Edited by lynx, 12 September 2009 - 12:03 AM.

[Galantamine]

Are you making an open personal threat? You're talking about killing people over a package that you haven't paid for an openly posted you weren't going to pay for? I guess I have trouble seeing what damage has been done to you in this case? You might not get some powders you didn't pay for? Am I missing something there?

You could obviously continue to order piracetam from one of many retailers that carry it.

Mike, my advice for you would be to contact a lawyer. "Isochroma" is, at least, guilty of libel if not more. Based on his crude and illogical argument he has presented here, I would not be surprised to find out that he is somehow connected to another nootropic dealer.

Edited by Irish MD, 12 September 2009 - 01:26 AM.

[Mike M]

I have no desire for legal action. I do smartpowders just as a side business. If people want to buy from me, great. They have the choice to shop anywhere they want. There are plenty of good vendors out there. The situation is resolved as far as I'm concerned. Everyone makes mistakes, maybe going to far was Iso's, who knows. Water under the bridge to me.

[Rational Madman]

I have no desire for legal action. I do smartpowders just as a side business. If people want to buy from me, great. They have the choice to shop anywhere they want. There are plenty of good vendors out there. The situation is resolved as far as I'm concerned. Everyone makes mistakes, maybe going to far was Iso's, who knows. Water under the bridge to me.

Indeed, since you emerged from this discussion with a hardly scathed--and perhaps enhanced--reputation, I think there would be little point in seeking legal satisfaction. In the absence of stringent national standards that address consumer concerns about supplement safety, and provide adequate protection against fraudulent activities, I think the hysteria that we witnessed is somewhat understandable. But, that's another discussion. More importantly, and since you conducted yourself admirably in this affair, I think a formal apology is overdue. Once that suggestion is met, I propose that we allow this thread to become buried in the archives.

Edited by Rol82, 12 September 2009 - 02:49 AM.

[Mike M]

Whatever the mods want to do. They can lock it if they wish. He's apologized. I moved on and it looks like everyone else has.

[niner]

In view of everything, I didn't think that the (Googleable) title of this thread was fair to SP. I've changed "shady" to "opinions" in light of that.

[Ben]

Today I spent AN HOUR STANDING AT A PAYPHONE.

It was Mike that gave them something to steal, he gave them the golden opportunity TWICE. That is the last time I get burned. Now I am going to do the burning.

Thanks for taking what could have been a legitimate thread that was pushing for answers and greater transparency from a supplier connected to the forum, and turning it into a circus where your posts ruin any chance there was of achieving either of these goals.

[Ben]

And now you're threatening legal action against us if we test your products.

What have you got to hide Mike "M" of smartpowders.com?

Ben, this post is idiotic. Chain of custody is a pillar of any forensics or other testing. Please lay off. In another post you claimed that there were "shills" standing up for Mike. I joined Imminst.org in '03, you joined in '08, so I'd say I have a lot more credibility on this than you. Just let it go.

edit: Furthermore, there are dozens of posts and threads here on imminst about testing and COAs, if you guys had bothered to search you would see that this topic has been hammered to death. Instead, you want to stand up on your soapbox as if this were an original thought. Your self-righteousness is nothing new and solves nothing. If you were really concerned, you would just do the damn test and then suffer the consequences.

Ok, you're not a shill. I don't understand why you would suggest that I am calling you one, at no point did I make any accusations directed towards you.

Now that I look at your posts though, what you are doing is inexplicably taking Mike's side on this and using counter arguments that do not make sense.



I'd like to add that my request for a COA (product testing) has so far been met with hostility from the supplier. I'm abandoning this thread as it has become polluted, and my purpose blunted, through noise posts.

Before I do though, I urge potential buyers to be cautious. These sort of products are sourced from Chinese suppliers in chemical factories that I strongly believe do not have GMP certification.

One only has to look to the news to know that consumer products coming out of China need to be looked at with a skeptical sense of self-preservation. Take this story for example. Think firstly of your health.

Edited by Ben - Aus, 12 September 2009 - 11:21 AM.

[meursault]

Did any of you think about contacting the lab where it was tested?

duh

[lynx]

I'd like to add that my request for a COA (product testing) has so far been met with hostility from the supplier. I'm abandoning this thread as it has become polluted, and my purpose blunted, through noise posts.

What? THe COAs are on the website.

[Rational Madman]

I'd like to add that my request for a COA (product testing) has so far been met with hostility from the supplier. I'm abandoning this thread as it has become polluted, and my purpose blunted, through noise posts.

What? THe COAs are on the website.

Yes, but the COAs only vaguely certify that the level of heavy metal contamination is within safe ranges. Does RTP Labs mean that the level of contamination is within acceptable ranges for each serving? I wish they would be more explicit. For consumers contemplating supplementing at higher doses, it would be comforting to know the actual results for each category. Without this disclosure, I have no intention of using the products distributed by Smart Powders. That said, could we let this topic die already? I think we can all agree that the limitations of Smart Powders are not serious enough to warrant an ongoing discussion.

Edited by Rol82, 19 September 2009 - 05:02 AM.

[mindsg]

shucks, I was thinking of getting my bulk piracetam from there to escape bb.com ripoff shipping charges.

[meursault]

Yes, but the COAs only vaguely certify that the level of heavy metal contamination is within safe ranges. Does RTP Labs mean that the level of contamination is within acceptable ranges for each serving? I wish they would be more explicit. For consumers contemplating supplementing at higher doses, it would be comforting to know the actual results for each category. Without this disclosure, I have no intention of using the products distributed by Smart Powders. That said, could we let this topic die already? I think we can all agree that the limitations of Smart Powders are not serious enough to warrant an ongoing discussion.

It might be dangerous to revive this thread, but...
I was looking at the COA's on smartpowders. The detection limit is 0.2 micrograms per g. This is equivalent to 0.2 ppm, which is the highest amount of lead that could possibly be in any of the racetam powders.
Looking at the EPA limit for lead in drinking water, I found the concentration to be 0.015 ppm, or 0.015 micrograms per g. If you drink 2 liters (2kg) of water per day at that limit, you would ingest 30 micrograms of lead. The equivalent amount of a substance with 0.2 micrograms per g would require 150 grams. If you drink 2 liters of water at half that limit, you would ingest 15 micrograms of lead, requirement an equivalent 75 grams. Not even isochroma eats that much piracetam per day.

Edited by czukles, 18 October 2009 - 11:49 PM.

[Mike M]

There is metal testing posted on the site as well.

[425runner]

Smart Powders is the best!! I wish they'd start carrying Alpha GPC in bulk

There is metal testing posted on the site as well.

[pycnogenol]

Smart Powders is the best!! I wish they'd start carrying Alpha GPC in bulk.

Hi 425runner,

What in your opinion makes smart powders "the best." I'd like to know. Thanks.

[hellothere]

but one can even photoshop it , can one not? ( COA )

Edited by hellothere, 06 November 2009 - 10:39 AM.

[Pike]

best piracetam i've ever bought so far. can't wait to see what choline they'll carry, but i'm really hoping for centrophenoxine!

[425runner]

Hi Pycnogenol -

They have very good prices on high quality products. I've been buying supplements online for quite a while and know which brand works or not. The quality, COA, metal testing, speed of delivery, price, and prompt response to my emails all make them "the best" Hope this helps

Smart Powders is the best!! I wish they'd start carrying Alpha GPC in bulk.

Hi 425runner,

What in your opinion makes smart powders "the best." I'd like to know. Thanks.

[Pike]

thought i'd go ahead and echo what 425runner said and give smartpowders the "speedy email responses" praise.

i sent in an email expecting to hear back a week or so later from some customer service rep. instead, lo-and-behold, the owner of the company is answering my emails. must say, that was a rather nice +1 for my day.