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[2012pharmD]

I've had the Photosonix Muse for a few years & it's okay. With the light goggles it can put you in a nice trance-sleep-wakeup cycle called P26 - Daily Escape.

I've also used P02 while creative writing, along with P03 and P04 - these are all heavy on the left/right crosstalk.

Mostly used P09 - Focused Learning with just the [very nice, included] headphones for study.

Having said that, the iMusic stuff is quite a bit more pleasant and really focuses my intention and attention for school work. Like 28 hours prep over 2 days for one exam, that kind of attention.

I found a few of the complete cd-length titles using ShareDigger dot com. BrainAmpG1 works the best for me, it complements the modafinil hand-in-glove.

Other titles are LiveWireG1 [G2 is too fast & crazy for me], ThinkFastG2, and IvyFocusG4. Didn't care for the singing on ThriveFlowG1, deleted it.

I will probably buy some titles in the near future, as the wife seems to really like the iMusic while doing her thing - writing a novel.

YMMV.

[nito]

anyone got any updates here? Any improvements in cognition as a result of using imusic?

[Dorho]

To iMusic users: Do you need a special software to be able to get effects from the iMusic or is it just as good when converted to mp3 and listened with iPod?

[mentatpsi]

To iMusic users: Do you need a special software to be able to get effects from the iMusic or is it just as good when converted to mp3 and listened with iPod?

iMusic is usually available through mp3 format by the sellers. Either this or on cd, no additional purchases are required to listen to it as the mp3 is like any other. As far as the mp3 conversion, though I've heard arguments towards the opposite, it would be best to either refrain from the conversion or if converting give it the highest possible quality format. Though the mp3 that iMusic sent me after purchasing brainamp was only 128 kbps. So that's an isolated argument on its own lol.

I've actually also put the mp3 on my phone before, so I can attest to the fact that it should register within any mp3 device.

Edited by mentatpsi, 04 January 2010 - 09:08 PM.

[Dorho]

iMusic is usually available through mp3 format by the sellers. Either this or on cd, no additional purchases are required to listen to it as the mp3 is like any other. As far as the mp3 conversion, though I've heard arguments towards the opposite, it would be best to either refrain from the conversion or if converting give it the highest possible quality format. Though the mp3 that iMusic sent me after purchasing brainamp was only 128 kbps. So that's an isolated argument on its own lol.

I've actually also put the mp3 on my phone before, so I can attest to the fact that it should register within any mp3 device.

Thanks for the info, much appreciated. I would not have guessed that they sell 128 kbps mp3s.

[mentatpsi]

iMusic is usually available through mp3 format by the sellers. Either this or on cd, no additional purchases are required to listen to it as the mp3 is like any other. As far as the mp3 conversion, though I've heard arguments towards the opposite, it would be best to either refrain from the conversion or if converting give it the highest possible quality format. Though the mp3 that iMusic sent me after purchasing brainamp was only 128 kbps. So that's an isolated argument on its own lol.

I've actually also put the mp3 on my phone before, so I can attest to the fact that it should register within any mp3 device.

Thanks for the info, much appreciated. I would not have guessed that they sell 128 kbps mp3s.

No problem. I had bought the CD on promotion (though later charged the full amount). In the mean time they sent along with the cd an mp3 file which is the one i spoke of. So it is possible that if purchasing the mp3s only you get higher quality. The mp3 also was only 30 minutes in comparison to the CD being 45 minutes.

[mentatpsi]

anyone got any updates here? Any improvements in cognition as a result of using imusic?

Nothing too substantial, I go on and off using this product. I also alternate between ivyFocus and BrainAmp.

I'd like to make another point if I may.

I was curious as to whether this product is flimsy and decided to do a comparision in the EEG mapping as produced when using both these protocols. On the condition that the products are BS, as well as the research, then the particular pictures signifying EEG effects would be the same. In other words, what are the differences in EEGs in comparision to BrainAmp & ivyFocus?

Let's take a look:
On the left is brainamp, on the right is ivyFocus






What do these results show? For starters, there is a difference in the effects of the products. So at least in this manner, if the images are authentic, we can be certain they are not selling the same product under a different name. But what else does it tell?

Edited by mentatpsi, 25 January 2010 - 01:28 AM.

[Declmem]

anyone got any updates here? Any improvements in cognition as a result of using imusic?

Nothing too substantial, I go on and off using this product. I also alternate between ivyFocus and BrainAmp.

I'd like to make another point if I may.

I was curious as to whether this product is flimsy and decided to do a comparision in the EEG mapping as produced when using both these protocols. On the condition that the products are BS, as well as the research, then the particular pictures signifying EEG effects would be the same. In other words, what are the differences in EEGs in comparision to BrainAmp & ivyFocus?

Let's take a look:
On the left is brainamp, on the right is ivyFocus


What do these results show? For starters, there is a difference in the effects of the products. So at least in this manner, if the images are authentic, we can be certain they are not selling the same product under a different name. But what else does it tell?

As you know I deal in EEG reading myself. I'm not a neuroscientist, just a programmer that does stuff for EEGs and other medical devices.

Bottom line: You can't tell anything from a few screenshots

Why? Because that's just a snapshot. The best way to tell if something has changed is to graph out band amplitude (or some other variable) over time and compare it that way, or to use some algorithm to analyze things, but that doesn't look as good from a marketing perspective. Those 3D shots look better.

You should see how primitive and un-marketable regular neurofeedback or EEG screens look. For neurofeedback most of the time its just some bar graphs and perhaps big button that flashes red or green if the user is generating the right waves

Now that is not to say that entrainment doesn't affect EEG. Oh it most certainly does. But say it raises a band amplitude by 5 or 10%. Or even 2%. That IS significant, but does it look good in a marketing screenshot? No. Would you even be able to eyeball a rise like that? Probably not.

The same goes for those "overhead" or 3D brainmap images you see all the time in the media. Oh look! When this viewer saw the pepsi logo their visual cortex went red! That's so telling! No wait, its not telling anything at all. It's just a gimmick because people like pretty pictures

My 2 cents

Edited by Declmem, 25 January 2010 - 05:32 AM.

[mentatpsi]

anyone got any updates here? Any improvements in cognition as a result of using imusic?

Nothing too substantial, I go on and off using this product. I also alternate between ivyFocus and BrainAmp.

I'd like to make another point if I may.

I was curious as to whether this product is flimsy and decided to do a comparision in the EEG mapping as produced when using both these protocols. On the condition that the products are BS, as well as the research, then the particular pictures signifying EEG effects would be the same. In other words, what are the differences in EEGs in comparision to BrainAmp & ivyFocus?

Let's take a look:
On the left is brainamp, on the right is ivyFocus


What do these results show? For starters, there is a difference in the effects of the products. So at least in this manner, if the images are authentic, we can be certain they are not selling the same product under a different name. But what else does it tell?

As you know I deal in EEG reading myself. I'm not a neuroscientist, just a programmer that does stuff for EEGs and other medical devices.

Bottom line: You can't tell anything from a few screenshots

Why? Because that's just a snapshot. The best way to tell if something has changed is to graph out band amplitude (or some other variable) over time and compare it that way, or to use some algorithm to analyze things, but that doesn't look as good from a marketing perspective. Those 3D shots look better.

You should see how primitive and un-marketable regular neurofeedback or EEG screens look. For neurofeedback most of the time its just some bar graphs and perhaps big button that flashes red or green if the user is generating the right waves

Now that is not to say that entrainment doesn't affect EEG. Oh it most certainly does. But say it raises a band amplitude by 5 or 10%. Or even 2%. That IS significant, but does it look good in a marketing screenshot? No. Would you even be able to eyeball a rise like that? Probably not.

The same goes for those "overhead" or 3D brainmap images you see all the time in the media. Oh look! When this viewer saw the pepsi logo their visual cortex went red! That's so telling! No wait, its not telling anything at all. It's just a gimmick because people like pretty pictures

My 2 cents

I thought the Z-axis of that graph was time. The X the particular bands, and Y the amplitudes. In this regard, to me at least, it was revealing. In addition, there was also the graphs in the beginning showing before exposure. The differentials (both the before vs after, and the brainAmp vs ivyFocus) in this regard are also revealing.

But i know what you mean, the main intent is marketing.

[mentatpsi]

Also, I find 3D mapping a rather popular method. For instance, BioExplorer uses different forms of 3D mapping as well as the 2 dimensional graphs you speak of.

[mentatpsi]

Also, I find 3D mapping a rather popular method. For instance, BioExplorer uses different forms of 3D mapping as well as the 2 dimensional graphs you speak of.

^- Fixed link

Edited by mentatpsi, 26 January 2010 - 10:45 PM.

[SE102]

I just sampled iMusic BrainAmp G1.

I was severely disappointed. Progressive house likely is as stimulating for the mind and sounds alot better too.

[viltro]

I'm liking the demo. American Beauty soundtrack. Thematic Transformers music and some other movie themes I'm not sure on.

[mulvena312]

I've been listening to iMusic for two months. My girlfriend and parents also love it. It has been a factor in why I was able to quit drinking.

[RockandSoul]

Is this a product one can listen to while studying?

I find if I study to stuff with words in it, it distracts me (this might be because i've read research that stated that as well).

[mentatpsi]

Is this a product one can listen to while studying?

I find if I study to stuff with words in it, it distracts me (this might be because i've read research that stated that as well).

They've a product called IvyFocus. These days I'm finding just instrumental and classical music are amplifying my homework abilities, and this is sufficient to my aims.

[aLurker]

I can't find anything in any databases about the purported research done specifically on iMusic BrainAmp. Either it isn't published, which makes me question the validity, or I just can't find it. So far I'm a sceptic. Any more information about actual scientific research done on this?

[OpaqueMind]

God it sucks you can't delete posts.

Edited by OpaqueMind, 04 December 2010 - 01:24 PM.

[Guacamolium]

If anybody has the mp3 file, I would be interested in checking it out.

[solracselbor]

Seeing as these claims purport that the effects are a result of neuoplasticity, I would not be surprised if particular supplements (i.e. the racetams) help speed up the process (seeing as research shows such supplements are able to increase neuroplasticity).

[X_Danny_X]

So I have been using iMusic BrainAmp for a bit less than a week, and thought I should write a bit about it.

It revolves around the idea of brainwave entrainment, except instead of the common usage of EEG Neurofeedback, it bases its effects on Auditory stimulation:

The Technology
...
iMusic works because of a scientifically documented, physiological process called brainwave entrainment. Your ear drums are the super highways to your brain, and it's this channel that the sub-audible digital beats and pulses in iMusic travel through-sending slight vibrations echoing through to your sensory cortex. This creates a precise cortical evoked response that activates and optimizes the frequency and amplitude of your brainwaves, eliciting an immediate and very powerful change in your mental state. Within minutes your mind is guided, or "entrained" into the perfect state. What comes next is peak performance.

There is documented evidence for this particular type of augmentation.

Focus & iMusic research
IQ & iMusic research

For those inclined to read more:
IMAGINCE | The Technology Behind iMusic

For those who wish to give it a try:
Test Run

What do you guys think?

in the TestRun sample, what are the names of the songs used???