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Against the argument that we live in a simulation


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#31 hathor

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Posted 25 June 2014 - 06:25 PM


Basically, if this is a simulation, then consciousness would ultimately be interacting with our bodies, but fundamentally separate from them. Thus, death of the simulated body would not translate into the cessation of consciousness.

 

 

I'm of the opinion that our bodies are basically avatars for the simulation.  Not sure what lies beyond but I've had enough near-death experiences to feel confident that this reality is just a temporary thing and that our consciousness exists outside this realm when we die.  So I agree with your point.



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Posted 28 June 2014 - 10:45 PM

We are souls trapped in bodies, undoubtedly. Anyone who has had near death or taken recreational drugs can see this. What's interesting is the mechanics of how it works, I think it could be planes of existence, where the speed light is different on the different planes, with multiple realities/planes super-imposed on this one. Tying this in with the thread the simulators live on different planes, and they need to make changes with a few bugs which accounts for the alien kidnapping claims. So we will never find aliens/simulators in this galaxy, as its not a physical location but more of a frequency.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



#33 Soma

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Posted 29 June 2014 - 03:23 PM

Anyone who has had near death or taken recreational drugs can see this.


There are innumerable people that have taken recreational drugs (I assume you are referring specifically to psychedelics) and have not come away with the conviction that we are a "soul trapped in a body".

There are also many that have had "near death experiences" and "out of body experiences" that have not come to this conclusion either. An example that comes to mind is consciousness researcher Susan Blackmore.

She had an out of body experience that propelled her into consciousness research. She has also been participating in zen meditation for decades and has admittedly had countless experiences that would go by the term "spiritual" in other circles. Yet, through her research, she has come to reject anything beyond reductive materialism. She is a firm and hardcore positivist, even agreeing with Daniel Dennett in his position that consciousness doesn't actually exist.
 
 

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#34 oneshot2shots

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Posted 29 June 2014 - 10:24 PM

 

Anyone who has had near death or taken recreational drugs can see this.

There are innumerable people that have taken recreational drugs (I assume you are referring specifically to psychedelics) and have not come away with the conviction that we are a "soul trapped in a body".

There are also many that have had "near death experiences" and "out of body experiences" that have not come to this conclusion either. An example that comes to mind is consciousness researcher Susan Blackmore.

She had an out of body experience that propelled her into consciousness research. She has also been participating in zen meditation for decades and has admittedly had countless experiences that would go by the term "spiritual" in other circles. Yet, through her research, she has come to reject anything beyond reductive materialism. She is a firm and hardcore positivist, even agreeing with Daniel Dennett in his position that consciousness doesn't actually exist.
 
 

 

I also consider myself a reductive materialist. There is tangible, scientific explanation for these spiritual occurences. It's just that science can't explain it at present. Not really prepared to purchase a book can you explain how someone can have an out of body experience and still imply that you are only your body?

 

Not sure how old this is but  http://www.near-deat.../experts09.html

 

 

"Susan Blackmore has recently confessed that her prior conclusions about the probability of psi and metaphysical consciousness existing being close to none, were not as conclusive as she thought and that she was NOT justified in ruling out psi after all. Therefore, she has taken an honest "don't know" stance and left the issue at that. 

 

 

"We are ignorant of the beyond because this ignorance is the condition of our own life. Just as ice cannot know fire except by melting and vanishing." - Jules Renard

 

No-one knows for sure, it can't be "scientifically" verified. (yet).


Edited by oneshot2shots, 29 June 2014 - 10:26 PM.


#35 ADVANCESSSS

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Posted 06 July 2014 - 08:44 AM

Naa lol thread starter is right, lol I seen one person's comment going at each 1 2 3 4 5 ect lol. There right I'm pretty sure, although I could think if could find a reason to each to put them back to question acttualy maybe I'll try wtever ok wait.......ok I'd say we don't know, we don't definitely know...maybe god has us in one! if a god, which iss um actually just other most advanced beans then that are a consciousness of course weather our particles or consciousness particle or a different one, ....although could be no sim and a god that is spirit things and we are spirits too maybe...

 

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Posted 30 September 2014 - 03:21 AM

Why not believe that all other persons are also simulated and you're the only conscious being within the simulation (solipsism/simulation)



#37 A941

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Posted 18 July 2015 - 01:17 AM

Anything new in this field?






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