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[cryofan]

malciah wrote: "Leave all options open. The best thing is to create a documentary worth airing if at all possible. This needs to reach as many people as possible, whether through web distribution, or airing it on whatever station picks it up."


Well, I cannot argue with that. However there may be another issue to consider: fair use and the substantial rights to it that come along with making an educational, noncommercial documentary. A documentary that is copylefted, and licensed as noncommercial, and is labeled as an educational project, that seems to have a lot more leeway as far as fair use in concerned.

What I am saying, I guess, is that if Bruce has enough private footage that he can access or create or buy, I can see where leaving the commercial option open is certainly important.

But if he wants or needs private footage owned by someone else and that he cannot afford, then licensing it as a noncommercial, educational venture might be worthwhile. He might just be able to use that under fair use. I have

I myself am editing a documentary right now. So I am grappling with these same issues.
for example, see these guidelines for fair use for video when making an educational video:

http://www.libraries...guidelines.html
"4.2.1 Motion Media
Up to 10% or 3 minutes, whichever is less, in the aggregate of a copyrighted motion media work may be
reproduced or otherwise incorporated as part of a multimedia project created under Section 2 of these
guidelines."

Whether Bruce's documentary would qualify, I have no idea. I am not a lawyer, etc....

[Bruce Klein]

Thanks, Cryofan. I appreciate the link and suggestions.

I've found the following to-the-point resources useful:

"FAIR USE OF COPYRIGHTED MATERIALS"
http://www.utsystem....ty/copypol2.htm

[JMorgan]

Well, securing releases for all interviews and any extra material is certainly a priority. The more options you have the better. If I was making a documentary, even for educational purposes, I'd rather restrict my usage of copyrighted material so that I can produce a film that is capable of being aired in a commercial market.

The key is reaching people. So the question is... How can we reach the most people? As educational as it may be, a film should be used as a means for greater research. Would more people see the film if it was free on the internet, or aired on Discovery? That's a question I don't have the answer to. But what I do know is that any funds I would get from making a film would go a long way to making a second, or to freeing myself from worldly financial obligations (read "job") so that I can pursue this field and reach people on a full-time basis.

Now I don't pretend to know what Bruce has in store for this documentary and I'm sure he has thought of all the various options. But personally, I'd like to see Bruce compensated for the tremendous amount of time and thousands of miles he's put into this project.

[Bruce Klein]

Thanks, Malchiah.

We've secured releases for the interviews and have purchased rights to the b-footage video and cover graphic.

However, for this first project, rather than mainly a financial vehicle, I see the film most valuable as a tool to gain more interest in ImmInst, the Conference, & future films.

After 6 trips and more than 90 interviews, I've traveled about 20,000 miles.

Great fun!

[justinb]

When is the film going to be released?

[Bruce Klein]

Hi Justin... look to have first film screening at the ImmInst Conference Nov 5

http://www.imminst.org/conference

[Infernity]

Oh darn, I won't see the premiere :\

Bruce, it didn't receive ME yet, although I think he simply didn't forward it hehe.

Yours truthfully
~Infernity

[Bruce Klein]

The Life Extension Foundation (Bill Faloon and Saul Kent) have allowed ImmInst the rights to the following image. I've incorporated it as the newest Film Cover:

http://www.imminst.org/film

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[Bruce Klein]

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[Cyto]

(claps)

I like this one.

[123456]

The current image holds true, reflects, to what the documentary is all about.

[lightowl]

Awesome picture!

Cant wait for the release.

[alex83]

Superb! A picture's worth a thousand words

[randolfe]

These are the kind of images we need to promote immortalism!

[Infernity]

I love this cover!

-Infernity

[Matt]

Thats much better bruce, Good Choice!

[Lazarus Long]

I have always liked the magic mirror image. This is definitely better and reminds me a lot of the short they use on the Sci Fi channel where an old woman baths with an old bucket of water and washes away her age.

The true irony of the image is that the reverse is probably true if we succeed; outside will be a young visage but as we gaze into the mirror we will perhaps reflect upon our ancient selves inside.

[justinb]

I can't wait to see it in its entirity!

[Bruce Klein]

Heh... thanks guys!

[Infernity]

I saw the movie. It was really great! My desire to broaden on the interviewee's answers burnt inside me. The sentence in the beginning though relaxed me, the one that says we cannot answer all questions in one documentary.
Was really nice

-Infernity

P.S. bro, my mom noticed in the end, that it says "Burman" instead of "Berman" and wanted me to tell ye... oh well, no biggie. ^^

[Bruce Klein]

Ah, very sorry, sis! I'll make sure this (and a few other problems) are corrected in any future revisions.

[kennita]

The film is wonderful, but too long for many purposes. It doesn't fit into most conferences' program slots (as well as many people's attention spans). I would really like to have a 1-hour version (filling an entire slot) and a 40-minute version (allowing time for discussion/Q&A).

If anyone can help me out with this, I'd really appreciate it. I have a PowerBook G4 laptop, but no video editing software or knowledge. Please write me as kennita at cryonicsadvocacy.org.

Thanks much!

Live long and prosper,
Kennita
--
Kennita Watson
Cryonics Advocacy Group
http://www.cryonicsadvocacy.org

[cemiess]

I'm absolutely amazed. After watching the AWFUL documentary on TV called "Do you want to live forever" I was inspired to work on a documentary myself. I found this video on YouTube, looking for inspiration for it....now I don't think I'll bother. This covers all the aspect I was going to and more.

Even more amazingly is what I saw when going to the front page of this topic. This was created from ONE person making a small suggestion. Less than 3 years ago. You guys really know how to come together and get things done! It's incredible what can be achieved by the internet, and I'm relieved to see that the immortality advocating community has grown to such a number that something like this can be put together so quickly and so well, and probably even quicker than it would by any other special interest group.

At last, I have found a community focussed on the most important project our generation is facing. Let's keep this snowball rolling.

[Bruce Klein]

Thanks, Cemiess... and welcome!

[Heliotrope]

yeah the film introduced me to imminst (saw the org's name/site in beginning) and made me want to join.

I saw them on youtube. it was getting a bit too long tho , a non-interested soul may have left early. me? i must confess that i fell asleep half way thru the 1st time i watched it, was tired, thought about sleep, death, immortality! Then this loud, eerie song at the end woke me up. still haunts me to this freaking day! *Shudders* lol j/k ,

who did the vocal singing? infernity (adi berman) , i presume as mentioned 4 or 5 posts back? i wonder what kind of music that was or if there was any lyric to it. i dont understand the song's words !! something about live forever etenity lol, tone was just so haunting, made me think about the far future and death, this entire vid did

Edited by HYP86, 11 May 2008 - 02:31 AM.

[Heliotrope]

loved all the interviews, watched film many times since. read the imminst book SCOD too

Need a 2nd film or do the Youtube viral video!

I can't believe the youtube's most viewed/popular vid is the evolution of dance through the decades. Need some educational /good film about immortality on there getting millions of views, then you can do evolution of dance or dance comedy for a hundred thousand years


I am shocked by the tiny number of views this series has recieved.
666norton420 : i know!
;d

Namolis (9 months ago) Much too radical, I think....

Edited by HYP86, 11 May 2008 - 02:20 AM.

[Live Forever]

I didn't even realize that it was on YouTube. Last time I checked, the version on Google Vids had gone over 100,000 views I believe. (the reporting feature isn't working for me right now though, so I can't check for sure at the moment)

I notice that the http://imminst.org/film.php page no longer has the video on it or is linked from the front page. Would that be something we should fix or no?

[Shannon Vyff]

I think that should be fixed.

[Heliotrope]

I think that should be fixed.

i think more vids should be created too. live forever didnt realize it's on youtube cause it's a million places below the most popular video Dance Dance evolution or the evolution of dance whatever that has like ...100 million views

[bacopa]

I just saw the documentary again and I have noticed a few problems or flaws in the production. I don't think anyone has commented on them yet, so I will. The problem is the production has been made, so there is nothing we can do about it. But I'll comment anyway.

1) in one scene you can see the boom mic at the top far right of the screen.

2)the sound is hard to hear at times, and other times just about right. Also there was too much bass in some of the interviews.

3)the dubbing was off in a few scenes.

4)in one scene with Aubrey, the video was slowed down; slow motion style and it was something I noticed

Other than that the video was superb! And I really liked all of the good arguments made supporting life extension and crushing deathist mentalities. Again when I first saw the video I was in a bad state of mind, so I didn't notice these things.

Perhaps in future documentaries these problems can be solved. Something as simple as a boom in a scene really should not be tolerated in such an important production. I was passed over for helping on this project but perhaps, when I get more experience with film making, I could help with future productions.

Edited by dfowler, 11 June 2009 - 08:35 PM.