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[Danila Medvedev]

maybe you should call it something besides a "five year plan" which is associated with the deaths of tens of millions.

It's a little like the aversion to a hitler mustache.

People who are poorly informed about the economic system of socialist countries are often poorly informed about management. So I guess their input is probably not going to be very valuable.

[Delorean]

i endorse this idea BP.

This is just a general idea really but what about some sort of noteboard put up somewhere on the site or the forum with a list of various tasks that need volunteers. If you made it editable by anyone, they could put their name down next to the task to show they are working on it.

[brokenportal]

i endorse this idea BP.

This is just a general idea really but what about some sort of noteboard put up somewhere on the site or the forum with a list of various tasks that need volunteers. If you made it editable by anyone, they could put their name down next to the task to show they are working on it.

You appear to be on the same page with this. We have a listing posted in the recommended tab listing here. You can also find all the teams in the action forums here.

Theres some good news that has sprung up recently with this as well. The teams are doing great in their sections, and on top of that, Caliban has figured out how to implement, and recently installed a teams system module which the teams are all now in the process of transitioning too. This allows people to use functions to apply for teams, send out auto cc's displays an auto list of team members, has a team news section and announcements page, allows the team leaders to have more control of the sections, has ranking system for levels of access for team members, etc...

On top of all of this, some of us have had the planning of a teams content page in our drupal system in the works too, like imminst.org/tv, imminst.org/store, imminst.org/meetings, and all of those pages. We've been working on it. It will give a run down on where people can get involved, provide a few new ways to help enable initiative, and link to all the tools and things that people can use to help the cause.

As for 5 year plan, thats right, it is just a general name that various business models and causes use for plans. Speaking of that though, the plan is looking for a new name. If anybody has any more suggestions please do post them here.

As for FYI as a name, I think thats in the right ball park, we can add that to the list of potentials, but if you have any other ideas please continue to bring them out here for discussion.

[brokenportal]

This is a working draft. The last contents of the topic have been updated. They were as follows:

The main parts of the basic idea are:
• fund raising: get a good indepth attractive fundraising section running so we can fund all these other parts of this plan.
• take action system: set up an appealing take action system that provides a way to keep people involved, and keep the participation levels up, and keep the stickiness factor of this place up, in a fun, fulfilling, easy, productive, remarkable sort of way that is easy to spread.
• science section: set up a science section that attracts and incentivizes researchers and students to collect and help us generate more strategies so we can do more work with, and cover the board on ways to combat aging and the blight of involuntary death.
• team projects: set up a teams/projects system that works by yearly goals, and aims to try to inform the whole world, or roughly 200 million of them, (numbers can still be discussed) which ever comes first, with in 5 years.

Thank you all for your continued help in the discussion of this. At the least it is raising awareness for this concept. At the most it is forming a plan that is going to help us inform 200 million people about this cause, and help catalyze all of the science strategies. If anybody disagrees with this plan, please, by all means, come up with a better one and I will support it and help you gain support for it. If you agree with the direction this plan is developing in, and or want to help the continued development of this plan then as the topic requests, let us know here and Ill edit your name into a list of supporters, and we'll bring you in on the parts that are being developed, or constructed.

If you are not sure where you stand with plans yet but would like to see the discussion continue to proliferate and extrapolate on out then please bump this topic.

[ksbalaji]

This is Great! Let me join in. A lot of people are out there to be covered. Now, you all have rightly pointed out: We need the main theme lucidly defined in a single simple line. We need a few commandments to follow. We need a theme picture for people to visualize. We need a mascot or the like. We need a theme song maybe also? Now, how do we organize to propagate and to get funds? May we ask people and organizations to sponsor meets? -to start with?

[brokenportal]

This is Great! Let me join in. A lot of people are out there to be covered. Now, you all have rightly pointed out: We need the main theme lucidly defined in a single simple line. We need a few commandments to follow. We need a theme picture for people to visualize. We need a mascot or the like. We need a theme song maybe also? Now, how do we organize to propagate and to get funds? May we ask people and organizations to sponsor meets? -to start with?

Add me in skype, my id there is brokenportal. We need more people working on the core of the plan. There are also many branches we can get you in on. This plan picks up those elements that it needs as it grows. Where it needs panels of researchers it seeks that out and facilitates for it. Where it needs a television ad made it commissions it, etc...

Fundraiser system is one of the 6 points. Its being constructed at http://imminst.org/fundraisers and is currently looking for a few more hands on deck with finishing it up. We are working on sponsoring meets through the teams point of the plan. One of those is a chapters project. That is being constructed at http://imminst.org/chapters and continues as the team thats working on it gets time.

The theme is inform 200 million people with in 5 years of official activation of this plan. The "comandments" are the 6 points in the plan.

[The Immortalist]

i endorse this idea BP.

This is just a general idea really but what about some sort of noteboard put up somewhere on the site or the forum with a list of various tasks that need volunteers. If you made it editable by anyone, they could put their name down next to the task to show they are working on it.

You appear to be on the same page with this. We have a listing posted in the recommended tab listing here. You can also find all the teams in the action forums here.

Theres some good news that has sprung up recently with this as well. The teams are doing great in their sections, and on top of that, Caliban has figured out how to implement, and recently installed a teams system module which the teams are all now in the process of transitioning too. This allows people to use functions to apply for teams, send out auto cc's displays an auto list of team members, has a team news section and announcements page, allows the team leaders to have more control of the sections, has ranking system for levels of access for team members, etc...

On top of all of this, some of us have had the planning of a teams content page in our drupal system in the works too, like imminst.org/tv, imminst.org/store, imminst.org/meetings, and all of those pages. We've been working on it. It will give a run down on where people can get involved, provide a few new ways to help enable initiative, and link to all the tools and things that people can use to help the cause.

As for 5 year plan, thats right, it is just a general name that various business models and causes use for plans. Speaking of that though, the plan is looking for a new name. If anybody has any more suggestions please do post them here.

As for FYI as a name, I think thats in the right ball park, we can add that to the list of potentials, but if you have any other ideas please continue to bring them out here for discussion.

In reply to name suggestions, why don't we use the name "The FYI MILE" (Five Year Initiative to the Movement for Indefinite Life Extension) or/ "Five Year MILE" (Movement for Indefinite Life Extension) ?

[brokenportal]

In reply to name suggestions, why don't we use the name "The FYI MILE" (Five Year Initiative to the Movement for Indefinite Life Extension) or/ "Five Year MILE" (Movement for Indefinite Life Extension) ?

Hmm, that sounds like its in the ball park. Any other suggestions?

[vog]

Please help us discuss this.

http://imminst.org/w...hp/LEEEP_Vision

This is the construction of a plan to inform 200 million people with in 5 years of the day that the teams section is ready and fully enacted.

Its 6 points are:

1.) Philosophy
2.) Internal Strengthening
3.) Fundraising
4.) Take Action System
5.) Team Projects
6.) Science Section
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"I endorse this 5 year plan." signed: John Joseph Kansevich (vogbank@gmail.com)

1.) It all starts with the philosophy. The starting point is that indefinite life extension is desirable. The rest of the philosophy is scattered around the internet, mainly in forums, books, videos, some films, and web sites. Eventually it all needs to be brought together. The world needs to know why they should do this, and the philosophy helps do just that.

Links to some of those scattered peices of the philosophy include: imminst.org imminst.org/store imminst.org/tv longevitymeme.org sensf.org and more

2.) We need internal strength to help facilitate and hold this all together. We need bug free, non complicated, informative, updated web sites. We need treasurers, secretaries, structure etc… To do this we maintain web sites, forums, accounts, constitutions, organizations, schedules, etc...

3.) A more dynamic fundraising system will allow people to contribute to projects that they like and or think are the most promising. We need this to bring the donation option for people to life and give them more motivation to contribute in that way. The new system shows more projects which shows more action and instills more confidence in investors, it also allows teams to do drives to raise money for their particular projects which gives them more control over when and how fast they get funding. This also makes it easier for us to divide the money up, because the donators do, its not our money, its not our cause, it's the worlds cause, you divide your money up if you want to, or if you want us to then donate to our general fund.

4.) There is a hump of participation we need to get over that a take action system gets us over. People don't like to contribute unless they think their contributions will add up and not dissolve a way and be in vain. They like to contribute when they feel like they are part of something, they like to contribute when they can visualize what all the contributions can add up to. They like to participate when its fun and fits flexibly into their schedules with low commitment small projects. Imagine if you could help build a metropolis by nailing one nail in here, taking one board up to a roof there, bringing one coffee to a crane operator there, that is what this take action system is all about. We create a big list of fun easy simple tasks that are high impact help for the movement that anybody can do at any time and check off as they go.

5.) The first four can only take us so far. They help people think about why they need to support this, they build the structure to help facilitate our goals, they raise money, and they sustain participation and hold peoples attention while getting things done, but they don't actively drive us toward the goal of informing 200 million people within 5 years, the teams do. The first 4 things support the teams. Teams use what they build to motivate, facilitate, recruit and fund teams. When those first 4 things are in place, the teams system will enact the 5 year time line and move toward informing 200 million people by setting yearly goals that move in that direction for each team.

6.) The science section is what we are informing the people about. It is what we are working to get the people to support. We need a place where can more centrally direct our research work, where we can help coordinate and connect with the research of other organizations, and help bring it all together more. Scientists need a place where serious specialists and aspiring specialists can go over the science of this cause in one main central place. They need to keep more, not all, discussion in the open to show people that this is happening so it can collect with all the rest of the momentum. By being in the same spot we can more easily help them get resources, gear, funds, lab space, connections etc… We need a place for all prospective students to have access to more researchers and resources. We need a program that helps facilitate the growth of more research strategies for helping to bring about indefinite life extension as well.


In addition to discussion, if you endorse the continued development of this outline then please say "I endorse this 5 year plan." here and Ill add edit your name into a listing of supporters.

[bacopa]

I think informing the world is what we have to do and a science section is sorely needed. Yes we will attract fringe people/groups first, then if we get some famous VIP to endorse our cause people will start taking notice. Reference the study where a significant minority, and in one case about half wanted to live much longer, even forever.

[brokenportal]

Heres an explanation about part of this in another topic.

They seem though to mainly be working to get funding for a set of projects that are already in place including things in the nanotech field, SENS, Organovo, (maybe AFAR?) and others. This doesn’t seem to leave enough room to help foster the growth of more peer reviewed and workable strategies to help create indefinite life extension and fight aging.

The following plan though encompasses those two things from our angle. This budding plan to inform the world is working to see if it can help us transition up through levels, one level at a time. Right now the fundraisers section and the take action system in the plan are aiming to facilitate larger incoming of donations, and to facilitate larger crowds of registered users, members, groups, projects, teams and just more people in general. We have places like Max Life in this equation, this fundraiser system has them as an option. There are a lot of pieces to this plan, like 24 hour info center for one, that help strengthen everything. At this time everything is looking pretty good to have these two pieces set up in the coming year or two. When that is done this plan proposes to prime the system with a healthy expenditure on advertising for Imminst with things like google ads, maybe a publicist, billboards, and whatever else we meet and work out and agree on at that stage.

That in turn should be able to help get us some more media appearances, and a much larger inflow of registered users and members, and consequently a larger inflow of donations, volunteer hours, and people to crowdsource with. The money will allow us to continue to hire more people in a variety of areas at that level. Right now we have around 50k, but at that level we would have more, maybe 200k, with which our options would expand and we can do a lot more. For example better and better publicists, engineer, and marketing companies in a variety of areas like this: http://mgive.com/Pricing.aspx

In addition to helping support major philanthropy and investment drives in the research like Max Life does, this plan aims to help facilitate the development of more strategies for places like Max Life to help attract investors for.

[brokenportal]

I need discussion for this. Important topics require discussion for us to move ahead. Heres a good primer question, 200 million, good number? Bad number? We are using the 20 80 rule, the tipping point concept, the industrialized world in the US and Europe regions have roughly 1 billion people.

[thughes]

When that is done this plan proposes to prime the system with a healthy expenditure on advertising for Imminst with things like google ads, maybe a publicist, billboards

I'm excited to see this. Can't wait to see the actual adverts. Consider a dedicated fund for advertising that people can donate to, as well.

Heres a good primer question, 200 million, good number? Bad number?

How do you intend to track your success rate?

Btw someone did say somewhere here that it would be nice to track active members on the site, so people could immediately see growth. I second this.

- Tracy

[brokenportal]

MILE 6 point plan

1.) Philosophy
2.) Internal Strengthening
3.) Fundraising
4.) Take Action System
5.) Team Projects
6.) Science Section

1, 2 and 3 have their frame work ready and underway already.

#4 is up next, this one is going to be long, hard and complex, we are always taking volunteers for this. Never be afraid to step up, or as Charles Dubois once said, "The important thing is this, to be ready at any moment to sacrifice what you are for what you could become." As Theodore Roosevelt once said, "Far and away the best prize that life has to offer is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." This has been conceptualized, researched and prepared for for over 12 years now, getting ready, waiting for the right set of circumstances, the right timing and the right amount of support. We could use 1,000 volunteers right now, but the time is right, the plan drives now.

Our structural conduciveness continues to grow. More and more people are thinking about this as the word continues to go out, and they are finding places to get involved as those places continue to grow, like Imminst.The potentials, the awakenings to unrest is becoming ripe, people dont want to die, the baby boomers are adding additional strain to the unwelcomeness of the current short life state of affairs. The slow fading of outdated tradition, superstitioun and things, and the continued accelleration of the opening of doors via science and technology, is melting the ice bergs of indifference and pro aging trancism and sparking new hopes in people across the industrialized world. The generalized belief in this cause is not here yet but it is on its way. We have already begun moving toward it and have made good ground, in many cases being ahead of schedule. We can not be sure what those precipitating factors may be that help to forge this movement in the wills of the mainstream but we will focus on that more when we get to that stage. The movement will then have the shot at the mobilization to action that it requires. We've got 1 MILE to go and time is running out, keep up the great work.

Basic stages of a social movement:

a.)genesis
b.)social unrest
c.)enthusiastic mobilization
d.)maintenance
e.)conclusion

We are currently moving through b. and preparing for c. Movements in these stages fair well when they follow through. The first 4 points of the plan prep the way, they build the structure, they facilitate the enthusiastic mobilization stage and the push to the goals. Once we get 4 done we will be well prepared for and probably already well in to the enthusiastic mobilization stage of a movement. At that time we move heavily into the ads department, this preps and primes the take action system to begin self perpetuating itself during this enthusiastic mobilization stage. In addition to preparation we will require a bit of luck, some clout, some media, some big names to continue their visible support of this etc... Then we shift full time in to the full management and maintenance of #5, which is the teams section. We have some teams building now, but at that stage we will have more volunteers, more power to pay, more clout, more resources. We will begin managing the full array of teams that we have in pre-preparation.

The science section can begin construction at any time. Its construction launch timing is set to go when the teams start up, but the sooner the better. As these teams get through to the world then this science section gets attention. "What are we doing?" the media asks, "building this science section." "What is all this movement, this information dissemination work for?" people ask, "its for the success of the science section." We do all this to gain attention, researchers, money, managers and the best and brightest minds for crowdsourcing in the science section. The section coordinates the flow of money, grants, resources, talent, ideas, etc... Does it succeed? Well as Wayne Gretzky once said, "100% of the shots you dont take dont go in." You bet your life it succeeds.

[brokenportal]

I'm excited to see this. Can't wait to see the actual adverts. Consider a dedicated fund for advertising that people can donate to, as well.

I cant wait either. We have some primer ads heating up here. Theres a billboard waiting on the billboard company to get back to me right now, and a few more solid, long range things in the works too, google ads, marketing package, etc... (see outreach sub forum)

Dedicated fund for advertising, why thats a great idea. Let me wave my wand, ... ah, there: http://imminst.org/f...icatedmarketing

Heres a good primer question, 200 million, good number? Bad number?

How do you intend to track your success rate?

Btw someone did say somewhere here that it would be nice to track active members on the site, so people could immediately see growth. I second this.

- Tracy

The tracking is set to be reported team by team, in ways that are developed, or develop for each one. They will be rough numbers of people we have informed, but as accurate as we can get them. In the future for example, when the Internet outreach team picks up a healthy number of members it they are going to coordinate so that they aim for certain goals of numbers that fit into this plan on a yearly, monthly and weekly break down. Each person will work to get x amount of people to respond to their topics per x amount of time. With vip's its how many we contact, with billboards its the projected gross rating point for that particular sign, with google ads it will be the number of unique hits on and from key places, etc...

Which level of tracking active members do you mean specifically? I like the concepts surrounding it too.

We have google analytics which shows us 'absolute unique visitors' (now at about 1 million per year), we have stats on registrations and visitors in the control panels, theres traffic counters, theres the members list that can be filtered for, then there is the volunteer points system that keeps track of active volunteers for each month. Beyond that though, and what you might be getting at, is I would like to have a list of people that might not necessarily be on the volunteer list, but will take action, volunteer, give money, etc... when they have the time, on a temporary project basis, etc... Two ways, neither or which seem perfect to me, would be to have a dedicated member classification. These members might attain this by filling out a questionnaire that you have to score x on. Another option I was looking in to was only adding people that I know to be this way to my friends list for easy access. People could then share this friends list, not sure.

[brokenportal]

Video of the plan now included in the topic.

[ksbalaji]

I am convinced. Rather - I was expecting this move to take place some day. I am in. Now, let me start action. Give me an action plan to move on. I insist on a co-ordinated plan so that chaos is avoided. Do you need any info from my side? Please do tell.

[brokenportal]

Exactly, the point of this plan is to coordinate everything so that we move forward in stages toward a meaningful goal. A lot of projects come and go, some completed, some not, some working to be organized, some that fade away.

One of the major things that this plan does is line all those projects up in front of two resource building initiatives, one of them is part 3 of the plan, fundraiser system, the other major one is the take action system in part 4. When those things are in place and churning out those resources, we then engage all the teams in a coordinated goal driven way. We take on volunteers from the pool of actives that the take action system builds, and we use the money for the various things that teams require including the hiring of managers and specialists where we need to and all the other things. Many of these teams are drafted in a google document developing for the point when we get to that stage, stage 5.

So again, one main thing this plan is here to do is set it up so that when supporters like you look to see what they can do that will be effective and goal driven, they will be able to see this take action and teams system. We will be making it easy for them to find and sign up through a variety of means that the plan outlines, many of which we work on almost every day.

The take action and teams system are still being built though, at this time. So if you want to see these things happen sooner than later (and of course I do too), then the thing to do now is to join the core of people managing the construction of the 6 point plan. You can do that by rsvp'ing for all the Wednesday meetings that you can, and giving me your skype id so I can keep you in the daily loop. I would work in skype 23 hours a day and sleep one hour every night if there were enough volunteers in there to keep me that busy.

[Rational Madman]

The notion of informing is great, and I think ad buys on the web, which is very affordable, would be the best means of attracting interest. I would also like to hear more about pooling resources, or potentially merging with like-minded organizations. More broadly, we need to construct a network of organizations, which would greatly enhance our mission's ability to affect change. Because by ourselves, I don't see us getting where many of us would desire. Fundraising is also critical, and I think we need to assign some volunteers to look through public contributor databases, and construct a list of likely donors. Or we might need an organization for this task, which there are many, but I'm not sure about the cost, and appetite for delegation. The outreach would need to be professional, and I'm not sure if we have the resources to be effective. So hiring a firm to pound a large list of likely donors might be a good plan. There are plenty of firms outside of the United States (e.g. India) that can provide such a service at an affordable price. For the more high-end contributors, I think that might be a task more appropriate for volunteer members, since a phone call from a telemarketer in India is unlikely to resonate with such people, because they're more inclined to respond if courted formally. So, if we have any relationship with like-minded organizations, I'm wondering if an administrative figure might be willing to ask them to share donor information for free, or for a price, which is usually the case.

[AgeVivo]

Agreed, we need to see how to enhance our mission's ability to affect change. "LongeCity" should greatly help. Having a network of longevity communities, whether takes place within LongeCity or whether LongeCity is part of it (depending on what other communities prefer), would be much better than acting by ourselves (even if we are already quite big so that if we are easily accepted we can do a lot). The list of charitable donors is certainly a good idea, the best would be to have a specialist about that in house. At some time there was an idea of having a physical location, an appartment or better a bus that would go from cities to cities to inform everyone, organize press conferences and meet key actors (amateurs, researchers, journalists, fundraisers, politicians)

[brokenportal]

The notion of informing is great, and I think ad buys on the web, which is very affordable, would be the best means of attracting interest.

That is a part of step 5. It uses teams to drive yearly goals with a 5 year goal in mind. We also do some of that now to prime the whole system as we go. We will be starting a google ads idea gathering topic any time now. You could post it if you want, or get a hold of me and we can go over it a bit and get that ball rolling. We meet through out the week in skype, and have at least one regular teams and general projects meeting every Wednesday.

I would also like to hear more about pooling resources, or potentially merging with like-minded organizations. More broadly, we need to construct a network of organizations, which would greatly enhance our mission's ability to affect change. Because by ourselves, I don't see us getting where many of us would desire.

Exactly. There is the longevity communities network project which has taken a few turns but is coming along. Its a part of the internal structure, part 2 of this plan, being outlined in a few key online documents, it was in the Imminst wiki but is in the process of transferring bit by bit and section by section into google documents. I have also been working on setting up a meeting between the heads of the main organizations. I have collected some so far. I could use a hand if anybody is interested in that. Eventually we will call a meeting and go over some key things. Some of them include MILE, and this 6 point plan. There are places that the plan is designed to link up with the other organizations and work in unison with them, they handle the parts they are already handling. There are a lot of details involved with that. I would love to go over that too if your interested. We can call a meeting if we can get a few people.

Fundraising is also critical, and I think we need to assign some volunteers to look through public contributor databases, and construct a list of likely donors. Or we might need an organization for this task, which there are many, but I'm not sure about the cost, and appetite for delegation. The outreach would need to be professional, and I'm not sure if we have the resources to be effective. So hiring a firm to pound a large list of likely donors might be a good plan. There are plenty of firms outside of the United States (e.g. India) that can provide such a service at an affordable price. For the more high-end contributors, I think that might be a task more appropriate for volunteer members, since a phone call from a telemarketer in India is unlikely to resonate with such people, because they're more inclined to respond if courted formally. So, if we have any relationship with like-minded organizations, I'm wondering if an administrative figure might be willing to ask them to share donor information for free, or for a price, which is usually the case.

Thats right on track with this, you said you wanted to help move sections of this along yes? The fundraiser section is plotted out in a few key places, a discussion, a project topic, content management pages and a few others, the whole thing is lined up in the plans google document. We are setting up the structure and then we either run it ourselves, crowdsource for an optimal volunteer, and or hire out, and most likely all three of those things in sequence as we go. We are always taking on more core people for these key aspects. As we pick up more people we are aiming here to organize a regular meeting for each section. As soon as the next key section, part 4, is complete then we will discuss the budget and set a goal on hiring a person to execute a key list of tasks involving fundraising.

Edited by brokenportal, 10 November 2010 - 06:41 PM.

[Rational Madman]

The notion of informing is great, and I think ad buys on the web, which is very affordable, would be the best means of attracting interest.

That is a part of step 5. It uses teams to drive yearly goals with a 5 year goal in mind. We also do some of that now to prime the whole system as we go. We will be starting a google ads idea gathering topic any time now. You could post it if you want, or get a hold of me and we can go over it a bit and get that ball rolling. We meet through out the week in skype, and have at least one regular teams and general projects meeting every Wednesday.

I would also like to hear more about pooling resources, or potentially merging with like-minded organizations. More broadly, we need to construct a network of organizations, which would greatly enhance our mission's ability to affect change. Because by ourselves, I don't see us getting where many of us would desire.

Exactly. There is the longevity communities network project which has taken a few turns but is coming along. Its a part of the internal structure, part 2 of this plan, being outlined in a few key online documents, it was in the Imminst wiki but is in the process of transferring bit by bit and section by section into google documents. I have also been working on setting up a meeting between the heads of the main organizations. I have collected some so far. I could use a hand if anybody is interested in that. Eventually we will call a meeting and go over some key things. Some of them include MILE, and this 6 point plan. There are places that the plan is designed to link up with the other organizations and work in unison with them, they handle the parts they are already handling. There are a lot of details involved with that. I would love to go over that too if your interested. We can call a meeting if we can get a few people.

Fundraising is also critical, and I think we need to assign some volunteers to look through public contributor databases, and construct a list of likely donors. Or we might need an organization for this task, which there are many, but I'm not sure about the cost, and appetite for delegation. The outreach would need to be professional, and I'm not sure if we have the resources to be effective. So hiring a firm to pound a large list of likely donors might be a good plan. There are plenty of firms outside of the United States (e.g. India) that can provide such a service at an affordable price. For the more high-end contributors, I think that might be a task more appropriate for volunteer members, since a phone call from a telemarketer in India is unlikely to resonate with such people, because they're more inclined to respond if courted formally. So, if we have any relationship with like-minded organizations, I'm wondering if an administrative figure might be willing to ask them to share donor information for free, or for a price, which is usually the case.

Thats right on track with this, you said you wanted to help move sections of this along yes? The fundraiser section is plotted out in a few key places, a discussion, a project topic, content management pages and a few others, the whole thing is lined up in the plans google document. We are setting up the structure and then we either run it ourselves, crowdsource for an optimal volunteer, and or hire out, and most likely all three of those things in sequence as we go. We are always taking on more core people for these key aspects. As we pick up more people we are aiming here to organize a regular meeting for each section. As soon as the next key section, part 4, is complete then we will discuss the budget and set a goal on hiring a person to execute a key list of tasks involving fundraising.

Alright, thanks for the response. I certainly have something to think about.

[JJN]

In principle I endorse this plan, but in practice I have misgivings. I think you need to nail down the philosophy to begin with. People here generally understand the goal of ending the blight of involuntary death, but it is very open to interpretation.

This will be a process. There is a reason that SENSF is altering it's messaging towards the view of pointing out that they are interested in increasing human health, basically. I think it is wise for them to do so. Yes, they are public about wanting to cure the diseases of aging, but they are going for more of a 'soft sell'

Hitting people right off the bat with the indefinite life extension gambit is too far at this time. Again, ending the blight of involuntary death is a process. Personally, I would try to better explain how research in curing the diseases of aging is a natural extension of what mainstream science has achieved so far, and we know enough to begin to apply our knowledge towards some longer term goals. What is needed is to start bridging the gap between what is known, and what is possible. Again, it is a process. SENS is still in it's infancy. The thing is to support such things as a process. It will take some time for them to complete some preliminary research. In 1, 2, 5 years, I think they will have more results to further the cause in a serious way. Indefinite life extension is still too far away for most people to take seriously.

To jump from what we have to indefinite lifespan will appeal to some open-minded people. Will a large number be receptive? I guess I would question why this might be so in reality.

[brokenportal]

There are a few of us that continue to work day in and day out on this. You can join us. If you want to see a plan to inform a mainstream number of the world move forward then throw your hat in the ring. Its a much better alternative to waiting for a few blinks of an eye so your relatives can throw you in a hole in the ground and then throw your hat in the garbage.

In principle I endorse this plan, but in practice I have misgivings. I think you need to nail down the philosophy to begin with. People here generally understand the goal of ending the blight of involuntary death, but it is very open to interpretation.

The philosophy is being worked on. If you want to help us review it, go over it, add to it, discuss it etc... then let us know and Ill show you to it.

This will be a process. There is a reason that SENSF is altering it's messaging towards the view of pointing out that they are interested in increasing human health, basically. I think it is wise for them to do so. Yes, they are public about wanting to cure the diseases of aging, but they are going for more of a 'soft sell'

We wish them luck and support them in their soft sell approach but we take the accurate approach. The world is ready for the truth. They are always ready for the truth. The barrier is in the getting it to them. They arent in a state of disbelief, they are in a state of not being informed. Most of the world doesnt know about this, doesnt think about this, yet.

Hitting people right off the bat with the indefinite life extension gambit is too far at this time. Again, ending the blight of involuntary death is a process. Personally, I would try to better explain how research in curing the diseases of aging is a natural extension of what mainstream science has achieved so far, and we know enough to begin to apply our knowledge towards some longer term goals. What is needed is to start bridging the gap between what is known, and what is possible. Again, it is a process. SENS is still in it's infancy. The thing is to support such things as a process. It will take some time for them to complete some preliminary research.

MF, SENSF, CAR, and many others do that wonderfully. We also have the task of bringing the clear picture the world. We go by target groups, but in the end the long term goal target group is still the same.

In 1, 2, 5 years, I think they will have more results to further the cause in a serious way. Indefinite life extension is still too far away for most people to take seriously.

Robust Mouse Rejuvination as a marketing approach is one main good angle on it. Its also an outcome dependent approach. In a addition to it, so that they compliment each other, we also work on informing the world.

To jump from what we have to indefinite lifespan will appeal to some open-minded people. Will a large number be receptive? I guess I would question why this might be so in reality.

It might be so in reality because by not informing people they can only see the jump as big in a way that is hard to grasp. Information, the fundamentals, the reasons why, the philosophy of it, the facilitation, and an action plan bridge that gap. In other words the reason to inform the world, the point of this plan is to bridge that gap.

Edited by brokenportal, 12 March 2011 - 06:52 PM.
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[revenant]

Some really good ideas here. If I may, I'd suggest looking into a well formatted regular podcast. A great way to reach lots people. Invite guest speakers, research updates etc. It's very low cost media.

Edited by revenant, 13 April 2011 - 04:36 AM.

[ksbalaji]

Exactly, the point of this plan is to coordinate everything so that we move forward in stages toward a meaningful goal. A lot of projects come and go, some completed, some not, some working to be organized, some that fade away.
I would work in skype 23 hours a day and sleep one hour every night if there were enough volunteers in there to keep me that busy.

A word of caution: One needs atleast 6 hours of good sleep. I would never in eternity suggest/allow you to skip this!. Don't we really need people? Please do not plan to exert yourself.

(.. just between you and me..this means, we never even think of boasting about our sincere goal.)

Regards,
ksbalaji

[revenant]

Really, the only way social movements get rolling is when there are grave inequities patent to large populations. When it becomes clear they are getting the short end of the lifespan stick, large populations will begin to organize. China and Europe maybe within 50 years.