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[panhedonic]

I also attribute better libido/erections to taking zinc (12mg/day and now 40mg/day)

[majkinetor]

Zinc overdose may lead to copper deficiency which may present as neurological problem known as swayback (search for copper deficiency).
Vitamin C can a little bit reduce copper status. Since this is frequent combination with very large doses of zinc (>=200mg/d) you can deplete your copper.

However, copper is everywhere and the ususal problem is build up rather then deficiency. This, ofc. depends on your diet (do you eat nuts and liver, do you drink tap water or not etc.). If you use huge doses it might be good idea to take copper supplement.

This is not something I would be concerned with while taking 50mg/day, but you know, everybody is different...

This might be relevant: zinc reduction of copper is exploited in Willson disease (build up of copper).

http://www.mayoclini...DSECTION=dosing
For Wilson's disease, the following doses of zinc have been taken by mouth: 25-50 milligrams of zinc three times daily; and 100-400 milligrams of zinc sulfate three times daily.

As you can see with 100mg/day you are approaching it. Depending on your body size, I would limit Zn to 25mg per day in normal state, and double to four time that in acute scenarios : diarrhea, common cold....

Edited by majkinetor, 08 July 2013 - 06:30 PM.

[truboy]

Here is some feedback on zinc from another forum, sounds good, maybe too good? Anyway:

I just underwent a dramatic change in my life suddenly. It all started with a purchase of high absorption rate zinc product I bought.
I was suspect about my testosterone levels for a long time. I think i'd have random spikes in testosterone but there was never a medium, no balance. I dont believe that today's men in an industrial world have steady testosterone levels like we're suppose to. I now believe that taking a highabsoption rate zinc supp can give a man the steady testosterone it takes to really be the man he was suppose to be.
Well ok, I had no friends, no job and no girlfriend. I had $400 to my name. I went to the health food store to make the final purchase that could get me out of my rut. I was looking for the perfect supplement. I went in to find a detox product but after an hour of searching I finally decided to try zinc. Id never tried a zinc supp before.
Was taking 60 mgs every night. Within 5 days something happened. I went to a staffing service and every woman was petting their hair in anticipation to help me. I felt sexually attractive. I felt that every woman was eyeing me. I applied for them to find me a job. They told me not to call again but rather to stop on by in a few hours. I stopped by a few hours later and they had found me a better paying job than i'd ever had before.
So I started the new job this past thursday. All the men were all in awe at me. As I graced them with my presence. All the workers wanted to talk to me and befriend me. That night after work I was on the riverfront with a ton of new friends. 10 new friends actually.
Friday morning I messaged a beautiful woman on a dating site and she quickly established a meeting for me and her at a house party at her place Sat night. I get there and everyone liked me and we partied all night. I fell asleep in the woman's bed and we had chatted all night. The next day we had a great day together as we subconsciously(without words) agreed to be together.
Within 5 days, I have the best job of my life, at least 15 new friends and a beautiful new girlfriend. This cant be a coincidence. I believe I have finally found a way to have the steady testosterone levels that I was born to have.
You guys should try it. Zinc monomethionine. It has a high absoption rate and I know that it works because I get RAGING morning wood(the ultimate sign of testosterone levels)

[jly1986]

Here is some feedback on zinc from another forum, sounds good, maybe too good? Anyway:

I just underwent a dramatic change in my life suddenly. It all started with a purchase of high absorption rate zinc product I bought.
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LMAOROTF!!!!

[truboy]

interesting to see update from OP, you still take zinc?

[Mr Serendipity]

I took 50mg Zinc Picolinate this morning. Well once again I got rock hard, and I mean rock hard erections while watching some blue movies this evening. Also during work today, I was getting spontaneous erections to mere naughty thoughts, and eye contact with the ladies. I also note, that it seems to suppress my appetite, which is contrary to what I read about.


Actually this is the main reason I quit taking high doses of zinc a few years back. I read they fed these rats high doses of zinc, and their hunger goes up dramatically.

This was what I read:
http://suppversity.b...r-120-days.html

• 20-40% increase in food intake
• 20% increased body weight
• 2x or 2.7x elevated blood sugar
• 3.75x or 6x elevated insulin levels
• 100% increase in cortisol
• 2x or 2.5x elevated leptin levels

This, plus the fact that I already knew anorexics have zinc deficiency, and taking zinc can help increase their appetite, was another case for me to stop high dose zinc supplementation (as I needed to lose weight, and still do).

Well there was another main reason I quit. I was worried of doing damage to my brain, with all the warnings in this thread.

However I might experiment with 50mg of Zinc Picolinate again, 1 each morning, as long as my appetite doesn't go crazy.

Funny thing was, even though I stopped high doses of Zinc Picolinate; I was still taking a 20mg Zinc Citrate with 1.25mg Copper Gluconate from another Zinc supplement I had. This lower dose I thought would be beneficial to me without risking my health; however I cannot say I saw any noticeable effects of this supplement, compared to my 50mg Zinc Picolinate.

This was the supplement:
http://www.highernat...78#.Usxgpydw26Y


So if anyone wants my recommendation on what Zinc supplement has a noticeable physical effect on me, I will say Zinc Picolinate.

[niner]

Funny thing was, even though I stopped high doses of Zinc Picolinate; I was still taking a 20mg Zinc Citrate with 1.25mg Copper Gluconate from another Zinc supplement I had. This lower dose I thought would be beneficial to me without risking my health; however I cannot say I saw any noticeable effects of this supplement, compared to my 50mg Zinc Picolinate.

You might be feeling an effect of the picolinate ion rather than the zinc. I tried a low dose (20 mg) zinc picolinate supplement recently, and I couldn't believe how amped up I got. I was awake most of the night- it felt like I'd stumbled upon some sort of cheap amphetamine substitute. I googled it, and other people were reporting insomnia with zinc and also with chromium picolinate. I've used zinc gluconate lozenges in the past without any such effect. I wonder if some of the wild reports of guys developing magical powers over women, etc., are actually picolinate-induced hypomanias?

[Mr Serendipity]

You could be very right my friend. Last night I had so much trouble falling alseep, so much trouble, and I woke up early that day (5:52am, I am trying to establish a new early rising sleeping pattern), so I should have just hit the bed and fell asleep last night, but I was just lying there and couldn't drift off. Also my sleep was so much tossing and turning, so much! Like all night I was just tossing and turning, didn't feel like a good sleep at all. However now that I'm awake I just feel slightly tired, but I won't know until later on in the day to be honest. I should also note, while lying in bed trying to fall alseep, I was having all these racing positive thoughts of what I'm going to do in life, slight mania.

However I cannot pin this down totally to Zinc Picolinate, though I will a big part of it. Because I took 250mg Citicoline (CDP-Choline) as well, and I have noted before this made it very hard for me to sleep. Last factor, but less, was I only had 500-700 calories, and hunger signals (though I didn't really feel them yesterday), can keep me awake also.

Other supplements I took were 10 gotu kola capsules (4350mg), 1/2 pottasium iodide (65mg), and 50mg pregnenolone; but I don't think they would have effected my sleep.

Anyway this morning at 6:05am I took:

1/2 Potassium Iodide (65mg)
50mg Zinc
100mg Pregnenolone
250mg CDP-Choline (Citicoline)

I avoided the gotu kola just in case it caused drowsiness or lack of concentration, and I just started a new job that requires me to learn a lot, fast. I haven't seen gotu kola really effect me positively at high or low doses, except once, where my mind became extremely clear and calm.

Anyway on a more positive note. I woke up with a morning erection, which was very hard. Now I'm still inclined to believe it was he Zinc that did this, but without knowing more info on picolinate, which there seems to be a lack of; now I can't be so sure. Could picolinate be raising my dopamine, or acting as you say, amphetimine like, giving me high arousal?

I would also like to point out, though I didn't write of it much 2 years back. But another reason I quit Zinc Picolinate, was because I was getting mania, and I felt full of energy and had racing thoughts. Then again I was taking stupid amounts, like 3-6 tablets (150-300mg) a day. I went very manic that's for sure. Now I wouldn't do that because I'm scared of the copper deficiency, and that manic state did not benefit me. I'm even scared of copper deficiency with 50mg dose, but I'll give it a try for a week or so.

I looked up chromium picolinate, and I can't believe the reviews of how successful it is for weight loss. Here is one:

I live in England, UK and I have used Chromium Picolinate for many years and it is an every day part of my life. It was my main supplement in helping me lose over 5 stones, over a gradual time. I don't cut out my favourite foods, although I do monitor what I eat and I take exercise 3 times a week (cycling or walking) and to this day, I have not regained the weight I lost. Please bear in mind that weight should be lost over time and not approached with crash dieting in mind, so patience will benefit you in the long term. This is one of the top brands of Chromium Picolinate and the value is exceptional and I can't speak highly enough of Iherb, as an International service.

Here is another:

This product is most definitely helping my hypoglycemia, which is a HUGE blessing!! No longer am I shaking, weak and ravenous every hour of the day if I don't eat something. This stuff is miraculous and I highly recommend it! And I LOVE all of the NOW products. You can't beat the quality, quantity and price!!

I eat a lot of rice. I lost a few pounds after I started taking this. I think for the people who like rice, bread and pasta and/or any other carb things, this is good...

http://www.iherb.com...psules/508/?p=1

Iherb.com is littered with positive reviews. However it makes me wonder is it the chromium, or is it the picolinate?

I say this because I haven't found any supplement you can just take, and you will start losing the pounds without effort, they'll start melting away. All sorts of thermogenics are neglible on weight loss in my opinion, and I doubt chromium would make much difference to weight loss even if you ate the same amount. So if we carefully look at the reviews I posted, which were 3 on the first page. The first guy lost 5 stone gradually; 5 stone is 70 lbs! Now he say's he didn't cut out his favourite foods, but he did watch what he ate. I believe he had the will to do this because his appetite was suppressed, or less ravenous. Same with me yesterday, hunger did not overtake me, and I could control what I ate. Look at the 2nd review I posted, he say's he's not ravenous for carbs after taking it, and the 3rd says he lost a few lbs (this review was just to show people find this supplement good for weight loss).

Now I can't outright say chromium isn't causing the weight loss. But like I said, I don't believe there is any supplement you can take, and the pounds will start falling off. However if the supplement would be helping them make better eating discisions, or cutting back on food; then this would naturally, if sustained overtime, would cause weight loss. I believe, though my hypothesis is a bit premature, that picolinate is the chemical causing hunger suppression.

Anyway these are my thoughts so far, could be wrong, but it's good to jot them out while I still have them fresh in my memory.

Edited by manny, 08 January 2014 - 07:05 AM.

[lammas2]

When you look at the dosages, you will see that chromium is supplemented in much lower dosages. Standard dosage of 200ug chromium (in the picolinate form) is bound with 1300ug of picolinate. A 50mg dose of zinc (in the picolinate form) will provide you with 188mg of picolinate. That is about 140 times more. I rather doubt that chromium supplements work so well just because of the fact that they are picolinic acid chelates.

I should really try zinc picolinate though. Who wouldn't love to experience some nice hypomania?

Edited by lammas2, 08 January 2014 - 12:36 PM.

[tommix]

Sorry but it makes me laugh. when people writes they took 50mg of chelated metal and they had viagra like effect.
Unless you are 65 y/o - this is just normal thing.

I, of course don;t say that zinc won't help increase of T, it has effects, but not as drastic as people writes here. You can take milk and think that it has some super testosterone powers-and your brain will do the rest. Placebo effect. Believe me, you can make brain do some crazy stuff you never though it's possible.

Edited by tommix, 08 January 2014 - 02:54 PM.

[lammas2]

Sorry but it makes me laugh. when people writes they took 50mg of chelated metal and they had viagra like effect.
Unless you are 65 y/o - this is just normal thing.

I, of course don;t say that zinc won't help increase of T, it has effects, but not as drastic as people writes here. You can take milk and think that it has some super testosterone powers-and your brain will do the rest. Placebo effect. Believe me, you can make brain do some crazy stuff you never though it's possible.

Zinc is also a dopamine reuptake inhibitor under right conditions.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/19000913

[Mr Serendipity]

Sorry but it makes me laugh. when people writes they took 50mg of chelated metal and they had viagra like effect.
Unless you are 65 y/o - this is just normal thing.

I, of course don;t say that zinc won't help increase of T, it has effects, but not as drastic as people writes here. You can take milk and think that it has some super testosterone powers-and your brain will do the rest. Placebo effect. Believe me, you can make brain do some crazy stuff you never though it's possible.

Mate you have absolutely no idea.

How can it be a placebo effect when everytime I have an erection without zinc picolinate, they are normal hardness, but suddenly the day I take zinc picolinate they are rock hard that evening and the next morning (morning wood). Also the same effect happened to me 2 years back.

Also. I recreationally take viagra and cialis now and then. Last week I took a high dose of viagra (100mg) with 40mg of cialis (double the dose of the highest cialis (20mg)), and half a tea spoon of citrulline. I was going all out, not the smartest move as the risk of priapism is always real, and it's something I won't be doing again. But I tell you, though I got hard, the ridgity was probably 20% less than what I got with zinc picolinate!

Yes, the erections I get with zinc piconilate are even harder than viagra and cialis combined!

It makes me wonder what the actual mechnism behind it is. Because with that viagra/cialis/citrulline combo, I was pumping out a lot of nitric oxide. I don't believe zinc would have raised the nitric oxide any higher than that combo would.

If it was due to the testosterone boost by zinc, then I am very suprised, as I didn't realise testosterone was that important for penis rigidty.

My last guess is the cells in the penis use zinc, and can become more efficient using the Nitric Oxide in the body.

Actually my very last guess, is it might have something to do with the picolinate. However zinc, with it's already documented uses for sexual function, makes it a better match. Then again, I haven't recreated this with my 20mg zinc citrate, so the piconilate could be a big factor. Or the absorption of the zinc in different forms. Or the dosage. I'm not sure.

The other thing is, I have not mentioned that this happens with continuous use. In fact my horniness and penis rigidty have gone back to slightly above normal. It seems like that initial dose of 50mg zinc picolinate has an effect on me, and then homeostatis kicks in. (like many people get with most supplements, like tyrosine)

Or maybe it's because today I'm dead tired from last nights insomnia and bad quality sleep.

But I do know, I saw these very noticeable erection effects the first time I dosed it 2 years ago, and when I dosed it yesterday (where the effect lasted from yesterday to this morning).

Edited by manny, 08 January 2014 - 07:24 PM.

[Mr Serendipity]

Actually scrap that last part where I say my penis rigidty is slightly above normal; it's actually still quite rigid, but I have less arousal/horniness/libido so it isn't to the fullest today.

Also that brings up probably the most important part of what I'm trying to distinguish when communicating with you guys. Zinc increases your penis' rigidty, but not by blood flow.

For example, you take viagra, cialis, citrulline, you can get your penis pretty to it's peek with blood flow. But it still doesn't feel as hard as when on zinc, even if your blood flow is 100%.

But with zinc, it feels as though it isn't a blood flow thing, but more something changes in the cells to harden them up.

To put another way, I can have less of an erection/blood flow on zinc (lets say 80%), and my penis still feels harder than if I had a lot of an erection/blood flow (lets say 100%) on viagra/cialis/citrulline without zinc.

Basically I don't think blood flow is the only thing at work here. I think zinc must allow easier expansion of the cells in the penis maybe? Or make them more elastic, or relaxed, or receptive to nitric oxide.

I'm just trying to show you a comprison of how it effects the erection.

The last example I could use, is if my penis has 80% blood flow without zinc, and 80% blood flow with zinc; the one with zinc will be much harder, even though they are recieving the same amound of blood flow.

Edited by manny, 08 January 2014 - 07:41 PM.

[nameless]

My initial thought when I read reactions like this is, placebo effect. I won't say it is, as who knows, but I wouldn't think a relatively normal dose of zinc, short term, would do much of anything, unless the person is really, really deficient.

But a somewhat easy way to test if it's the picolinate or the zinc itself ...

Try a set dose, lets's say 80-100mg, of your zinc citrate, for a day or two.

Then swap it for 50mg of zinc picolinate. They go back to zinc citrate, high dose.

If the zinc picolinate then produces stronger erections, then it's either picolinate (not zinc) or a placebo reaction. And of course don't stay on those doses longterm due to copper issues.

Edited by nameless, 08 January 2014 - 11:25 PM.

[Mr Serendipity]

Well I'm going to drop the zinc picolinate today.

Reason being, I still found it hard to fall asleep last night (even though I was sleep deprived from the bad sleep before), and when I did finally fall asleep, my sleep quality was once again very bad, and I woke up at 4:44am today!

I really need my sleep for my new job, as it requires me to learn a lot, fast.

I'm actually hoping it is the Zinc Picolinate and not my Citicoline (CDP-Choline) causing me sleep problems. Reason being, I just bought 2 more tubs of CDP-Choline off iherb (when reordering some pregnenolone), and am now kicking myself for it if it's going to cause me sleeping troubles. And cdp-choline is bloody expensive, $39 a tub, and I bought 2! While with the zinc at least I can change to citrate and be fine. And I wasn't even low on CDP-Choline either, I was just thinking of doubling the dosage to 500mg. Lastly, I would rather have a better brain at the moment, over a better erection.

If I still get sleep problems, then tomorrow I'll switch from citicoline to zinc piconilate.

[Mr Serendipity]

Well I'm glad I have Zinc Citrate as spare. Look at this new study below (November 2013).

http://www.naturalpr...r-to-oxide.aspx

BASEL, Switzerland—According to new research published in The Journal of Nutrition, zinc citrate showed superior absorption compared to zinc oxide and was on par with the nutritional benchmark zinc gluconate.

Despite the benefits of zinc citrate compared to soluble zinc salts and more neutral taste, no human absorption data was available to date.

The randomized, double blind, crossover study was led by Rita Wegmüller and Richard Hurrel of the ETH Zurich (J. Nutr. January 1, 2013 jn.113.181487). The study focused on 15 healthy young adults that received 10 mg of elemental zinc though a zinc citrate supplement. Researchers then measured the zinc gluconate or zinc oxide and the absorption using the double isotope tracer methodology.

Median fractional absorption of zinc from zinc citrate was 61.3 percent and was not different to that from zinc gluconate with 60.9 percent; however, absorption from zinc oxide was at 49.9 percent, significantly lower than from both supplements. Three subjects had little or no absorption from zinc oxide. This might be explained by the fact that zinc oxide is an insoluble compound which may not be dissolved sufficiently by people with low gastric acid production.

According to the authors of the study, zinc citrate could be a useful compound for zinc supplementation. Currently, WHO recommends the use of the water soluble compounds zinc sulfate, zinc acetate or zinc gluconate in the form of syrups or dispersible tablets to manage diarrhea. Zinc citrate might be a useful addition to this list and be especially suitable for chewable/crushable tablets since it has better sensory properties.

The study was supported by Jungbunzlauer International AG. Zinc citrate is produced in Jungbunzlauer’s Pernhofen, Austria plant and supplied to food, dietary supplement and pharmaceutical industries worldwide.

Edited by manny, 09 January 2014 - 06:00 AM.

[Lolofatty]

If you are experiencing some amazing (manly, acne) effects from supplementing with Zinc, I would suggest getting your prolactin levels checked. May people who have Hyperprolactemia or a Prolactinoma have problems in those areas and benefit from Zinc

[Mr Serendipity]

I don't suffer with acne, but I think you were giving out general advice, which is much appreciated.

Ok well I do believe it is the cdp-choline cause me to have bad sleep and insomnia. However I also remembered many months before I had sleep problems where I would keep waking up during the night (disturbed sleep). And I solved this by taking 10 fish oil before bed, and I would sleep throughout the night no problem. This last month or so, I've stopped taking my fish oil before bed. So yesterday I took 10 fish oil before bed, and had the best night sleep since messing around with zinc piconilate and cdp choline. BTW yesterday was once again only cdp-choline I was testing, I've dropped the zinc piconilate.

Anyway. This morning, I look in the mirror, and my traps look really huge, really defined. Didn't think much of it except it was odd, as I haven't exercised due to back injury for about 3 months now.

Then I was doing some google searches on Zinc Megadoses, and I came accross this:

http://forum.bodybui...26763993&page=2

If you look at post 40, look what this guy says:

Quick update for me;

I read about Zinc a while ago on the misc and finally decided to pick some up a week ago.

I started taking the 100mg tablet every morning.

So far it's been 1 week and the things I noticed are:
-Increased libido
-My traps look visually bigger
-To my knowledge, no side effects yet
-I also just read that zinc causes vivid dreams. I have definitely noticed this as well.

I haven't done a weigh-in yet, but aside from my traps, it doesn't look like any other muscle grew. My strength has stayed the same. I should also note that I started cycling Hemo-Rage again (after a 2 month hiatus) and this could also have an effect (either directly or indirectly).

It makes me wonder, could zinc make your traps look bigger, is this possible, or just a coincidence?

I'm not concluding anything, I'm just noting it here on the forum, so if someone else starts taking high doses of zinc and notices it, they can share this physical phenomenon.

I also found this other thread of someone taking 200mg of zinc.

http://www.rooshvfor...read-15255.html

After reading on article last week on how mega dosing zinc raised the testestone levels of athletes by 40% I started a little zinc experiment. Taking around 150- 200 mg of a zinc a day. One day I even took 250mg...

All I can say is WOW. What I have noticed in just the past week from this:

-Wake up with morning wood like I am 18 again.
Great indicator of good test levels.

-High libido

-Massive loads... peter north type cum shots....fucking ropes across the room type shit.

-My armpits don't smell anymore...long story short but between not using anti perspirant and eating paleo I started to get a real manly arm pit funk by the end of the day...thats gone. Thank god because I was about to give up the whole paleo thing thinking it was from eating to much meat.

- More energy....I just feel better.

-More strength...set a personal record for wide grip dead hang pull ups.

- This is the most interesting part of it all. I have been having a lot more girls smile at me in the streets, at work or wherever! I'm noticing a lot more positive indicators from the females...it's like they smell the testosterone on me. It is pretty crazy. Even had one girl look away while blushing and playing with her hair at the same time... I can just see/feel a different response from women when I look at them. Yesterday at a little music festival a friend of a friend who is a "lesbian" took a liking to me. After heavy kino and smiles got the number. Nice cute little spanish chic from the bronx with the fatty. Side note - I'm thinking she is not a lesbian at all and just sick of betas.

Like I've already posted. Zinc gives me high libido and larger volumes of ejaculation. Another thing I noticed the other day when I was taking zinc, but I didn't connect the dots until I read this post, what that my armpits did not smell of BO hardly at all. They have started to smell the last couple of day more sinc I've been off the zinc.

I've decided to take 200mg of zinc citrate, or 10 x 20mg tablets with 1.25mg copper gluconate.

These ones:

http://www.highernat...uctFamilyID=278

I only took them 20 minutes ago, so I can't report anything now, except I got nausea for about 2 minutes.

Also I looked up Zinc Toxicity in wikipaedia, and this is what I got:

http://en.wikipedia....i/Zinc_toxicity

Zinc has been used therapeutically at a dose of 150 mg/day for months and in some cases for years, and in one case at a dose of up to 2000 mg/day zinc for months.^{[6][7][8][9][10]} A decrease in copper levels and hematological changes have been reported; however, those changes were completely reversed with the cessation of zinc intake.

There is no evidence that ordinary western people would benefit of increased doses of zinc. However, zinc has been used as zinc gluconate and zinc acetate lozenges for treating the common cold^[11] and therefore the safety of usage at about 100 mg/day level is a relevant question. Thus, given that doses of over 150 mg/day for months to years has caused no permanent harm in many cases, a one week usage of about 100 mg/day of zinc in the form of lozenges would not be expected to cause serious or irreversible adverse health issues in most persons.

I wonder how true this is, and that we may able to take mega doses of zinc safely, even if in cycles?

[tommix]

Mate you have absolutely no idea.

How can it be a placebo effect when everytime I have an erection without zinc picolinate, they are normal hardness, but suddenly the day I take zinc picolinate they are rock hard that evening and the next morning (morning wood). Also the same effect happened to me 2 years back.

To have this effect body had to increase NO. so if zinc increase No-then maybe. Anyways - bullshit. Men like woman have cravings. some weeks/days in moth we have more testosterone then other days. But well if you happy-fine to me :D

Im talking zinc sometimes... 0 effect. maybe im in very good shape, cause i do want sex a lot and i always had appetite for sex. and with or without zinc dick is hard the same... :D only when i was teenager it was harder :DD

Edited by tommix, 12 January 2014 - 12:46 AM.

[Mr Serendipity]

Well I won't be doing my 200mg zinc citrate experiment again.

I kept getting cramps in my feet, and my appetite was ravenous.

As for my erections, they were hard, but I wasn't that horny to be honest. But I put that down to me having ejaculated for the last 3 days in a row, and yesterday was my 4th.

I would say Zinc Piconilate does more for me, I noticed the effects using this zinc, they are evident to me (in the downstairs department and healing throat/cold). However the negative is that it causes insomnia. Zinc Citrate didn't feel like it did too much of anything positive, other than give me cramps and increased appetite (which I don't not want). However all in all, the trial isn't fair because of so many factors such as, how often I ejaculated before the experiment, whether I was initially zinc deficient and that's why piconilate had a bigger effect and by the time I used citrate this deficiency had gone, or maybe absorption, or the fact zinc citrate was taken with copper gluconate.

Tommix I have no idea what you're contributing to this thread. If you're trying to discredit mine and others experience's with zinc with your own straight talk logic, then I think it's flawed. Not only have I been able to recreate my experiences now and in the past with the same supplement; but also compare it to erectile dysfunction drugs. Also others have had similar or the same results as I have. Let's not forget the fact that Zinc has a big part in sexual function and testosterone anyway; so would it really be too hard to believe that taking higher doses of zinc may impact these things positively? I think you're coming from a point of view that Nitric Oxide is the only thing that is required for erections, which is simply not the case. People can still not get erect on ED drugs if they don't have other contributing factors in their body, such as dopamine, testosterone; which help cause arousal.

Anyway I am going to continue my experience with Zinc Piconilate next Friday. Due to the fact of insomnia and my job, I can't risk not falling asleep at a decent time. Though my 10 fish oil before bed is helping, it doesn't completely solve the problem. So Friday will be my last day at work that week, so I'll take it in the morning, and also Saturday morning. Todays Sunday, but I don't want to take it today just in case I have poor sleep for Monday. If you haven't guessed I work Monday to Friday.

[fluidity]

Be careful though. Too much zinc is linked to neurodegeneration.

gosh, any more info??

Yeah I noticed symptoms of this after taking zinc every day without any copper in my system, and the overdoses of zinc made the neurodegeneration occur. The copper deficeny wasn't good either.

[lammas2]

Yeah I noticed symptoms of this after taking zinc every day without any copper in my system, and the overdoses of zinc made the neurodegeneration occur. The copper deficeny wasn't good either.

What symptoms did you experience?

[fluidity]

Well its not that I felt completely cognitively disabled however I wasn't able to retain the level of focus or memory recall I had before when I tapered off oxiracetam. Eventually the symptoms of lack of memory recall and loss of focus went away after a few days of supplementing my multivitamin with 100% copper in it.

[Arjuna]

Check out ergolog.com for more testosterone boosters. There is a trend that antioxidants improve testosterone for example ginger taurine selenium multivitamins etc.

[chipdouglas]

FWIW, seven years ago I was formally diagnosed with adult ADHD - nearly two years ago, the Dx of ADHD was removed and replaced with that of OCPD, on the grounds that I didn't meet the DSM-IV diagnostic criteria for adult ADHD (though I might make the Dx under the now released DSM-V). Irrelevant of what the correct Dx actually is, it's made my life very miserable in many ways, as I've also experienced bouts of severe depression.

I've found 15 mg/day zinc chelate (other forms are likely to have a similar outcome, but since I've taken the chelated form, I thought relevant to mention it) has made a marked improvement in my mood through what appears to be decreased anxiety or perception of stress. It's also helped towards restoring nearly normal sexual functioning.

The following Examine.com link shows zinc to be relevant in depression (though it's only notable in treatment resistant depression) and OCD (OCPD and OCP aren't one and the same) :

http://examine.com/supplements/Zinc/

Edited by chipdouglas, 06 March 2014 - 07:03 PM.

[8bitmore]

Funny thing was, even though I stopped high doses of Zinc Picolinate; I was still taking a 20mg Zinc Citrate with 1.25mg Copper Gluconate from another Zinc supplement I had. This lower dose I thought would be beneficial to me without risking my health; however I cannot say I saw any noticeable effects of this supplement, compared to my 50mg Zinc Picolinate.

You might be feeling an effect of the picolinate ion rather than the zinc. I tried a low dose (20 mg) zinc picolinate supplement recently, and I couldn't believe how amped up I got. I was awake most of the night- it felt like I'd stumbled upon some sort of cheap amphetamine substitute. I googled it, and other people were reporting insomnia with zinc and also with chromium picolinate. I've used zinc gluconate lozenges in the past without any such effect. I wonder if some of the wild reports of guys developing magical powers over women, etc., are actually picolinate-induced hypomanias?

I have used both Zinc Methionine (30mg-60mg daily) and Zing Picolinate (50mg -100mg daily) for several weeks and have experienced no perceptible difference whatsoever (feel fine on either, nothing special), of course this doesn't discount the Picolinate-as-stimulant hypothesis but it certainly makes it one of the many "depends-on-individual-constitution" things in my book. This is as opposed to "simple/clear-effect" things like for example Aspirin that just seem to work for almost everyone (me luckily included).

[Nobility]

Be careful though. Too much zinc is linked to neurodegeneration.

NEED SOURCE PLEASE.

http://www.intechope...rative-diseases

[Nobility]

Well I'm glad I have Zinc Citrate as spare. Look at this new study below (November 2013).

http://www.naturalpr...r-to-oxide.aspx

BASEL, Switzerland—According to new research published in The Journal of Nutrition, zinc citrate showed superior absorption compared to zinc oxide and was on par with the nutritional benchmark zinc gluconate.

Despite the benefits of zinc citrate compared to soluble zinc salts and more neutral taste, no human absorption data was available to date.

The randomized, double blind, crossover study was led by Rita Wegmüller and Richard Hurrel of the ETH Zurich (J. Nutr. January 1, 2013 jn.113.181487). The study focused on 15 healthy young adults that received 10 mg of elemental zinc though a zinc citrate supplement. Researchers then measured the zinc gluconate or zinc oxide and the absorption using the double isotope tracer methodology.

Median fractional absorption of zinc from zinc citrate was 61.3 percent and was not different to that from zinc gluconate with 60.9 percent; however, absorption from zinc oxide was at 49.9 percent, significantly lower than from both supplements. Three subjects had little or no absorption from zinc oxide. This might be explained by the fact that zinc oxide is an insoluble compound which may not be dissolved sufficiently by people with low gastric acid production.

According to the authors of the study, zinc citrate could be a useful compound for zinc supplementation. Currently, WHO recommends the use of the water soluble compounds zinc sulfate, zinc acetate or zinc gluconate in the form of syrups or dispersible tablets to manage diarrhea. Zinc citrate might be a useful addition to this list and be especially suitable for chewable/crushable tablets since it has better sensory properties.

The study was supported by Jungbunzlauer International AG. Zinc citrate is produced in Jungbunzlauer’s Pernhofen, Austria plant and supplied to food, dietary supplement and pharmaceutical industries worldwide.

thank you. good find and very good post.

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Edited by Nobility, 08 March 2014 - 09:07 PM.

[Joe Monroe]

Zinc unequivocally increases my sex drive and testosterone-energy. I love it, just make sure to take it with a meal or you'll get terrible stomach cramping.

Zinc and Magnesium usually go hand-in-hand as far as deficiencies. Personally, magnesium produces a noticeable calming and relaxing effect. I take it twice daily in powder form with hot tea.

There are a handful of other supplements that are good like this (like Tribulus Terrestrius from a good source), but I won't list them here right now. I just wanted to also voice my opinion that Zinc is an amazing suppelment. I take 50mg a day and I would especially take it if you're sexually active.

you're really attractive 

[Area-1255]

How much zinc is too much and can disrupt zinc/copper ratio?

50 mg is too much as well, not without supplementing a little copper as well.

Too much zinc will begin to be anti-androgenic, and will overinhibit DHT - possibly producing similar symptoms to PostFina syndrome. Also too much zinc will dull the sexual nerves (and nerves in general) by overblocking NMDA currents (the primary excitory current in the body, and CNS).