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#1 nootropi

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Posted 01 July 2004 - 01:35 AM


read this article, and check its sources.

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Two studies done in Japan also indicate that Ashwagandha stimulates the growth of axons and dendrites in human neuroblastoma cells22,23, and in rat neurons.22 This is significant because the extension of dendrites and axons-which bring information to and from the brain-may compensate for and repair damaged neuronal circuits in the dementia brain.24 Ashwagandha's antioxidant properties have also been shown to help protect the brain from damage in several other studies25,26, including one in which it was used as a prophylactic against damage caused by stroke.27


I ordered a pound of the stuff from Shamanshop.net.

I will start by taking 500 mg daily, and report to you guys...

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Posted 01 July 2004 - 02:43 AM

Interesting.. Increases T3 and T4.. wonder by how much..

Changes in thyroid hormone concentrations after administration of ashwagandha root extract to adult male mice.

Panda S, Kar A.

School of Life Sciences, D.A. University, Indore, India.

The importance of ashwagandha root extract in the regulation of thyroid function with special reference to type-I iodothyronine 5'-monodeiodinase activity in mice liver has been investigated. Although the root extract (1.4 g kg(-1)) administered daily for 20 days by gastric intubation increased serum 3,3',5-triiodothyronine (T3) and tetraiodothyronine (T4) concentrations and hepatic glucose-6-phosphatase activity, hepatic iodothyronine 5'-monodeiodinase activity did not change significantly. Furthermore, ashwagandha root extract significantly reduced hepatic lipid peroxidation, whereas the activity of antioxidant enzymes such as superoxide dismutase and catalase were increased. These findings reveal that the ashwagandha root extract stimulates thyroidal activity and also enhances the antiperoxidation of hepatic tissue.


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Posted 01 July 2004 - 03:09 AM

If this substance encourages the growth of axons and dendrites in the brain it should have a permanent effect on the cognition of those who use it. While the actual number of neurons is not being increased, the connections between those neurons is being increased. This should result in a noticeable effect in some respects. Now I'm wondering whether this increase holds just as well for more healthy brains.

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Posted 01 July 2004 - 04:12 AM

Well, I first heard of this stuff from this article and the Doctor whom referred to this medicine said that it is given to babies at birth to increase their intelligence...



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I got the cut and sifted stuff, probably better, I think, right?

In case you are interested, I also ordered a pound of Bacopa monniera.

Brahmi Herb Powder (Bacopa monniera) 1 lb: B

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here is a better deal

Edited by adamp2p, 12 July 2004 - 04:33 AM.


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Posted 01 July 2004 - 05:32 AM

Yow!! I didn't know Ashwanganda actually increased your dendrites! That's fantastic!

I've used it off and on for a few years, to help control stress. I know it is sometimes referred to as "Indian ginseng", and it is used much the same way as is ginseng, as an adaptogen. I understand it is a part of Ayurvedic medicine, and has been used as a sort of "cure all" in India. I have been buying my Ashwanganda from Vitamin World, but now I'll consider buying it in bulk. Ashwaganda will now be part of my daily routine.

Thanks for bringing that to our attention, Adam

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Posted 01 July 2004 - 08:43 AM

Zencatholic this is certainly promising, in fact this is one of the most compelling nootropic substances I've heard of.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....t_uids=10884056

Dendrite extension by methanol extract of Ashwagandha (roots of Withania somnifera) in SK-N-SH cells.

Tohda C, Kuboyama T, Komatsu K.

Research Center for Ethnomedicines, Institute of Natural Medicine, Toyama Medical and Pharmaceutical University, Japan.

Extension of dendrites and axons in neurons may compensate for and repair damaged neuronal circuits in the dementia brain. Our aim in the present study was to explore drugs activating neurite outgrowth and regenerating the neuronal network. We found that the methanol extract of Ashwagandha (roots of Withania somnifera; 5 microg/ml) significantly increased the percentage of cells with neurites in human neuroblastoma SK-N-SH cells. The effect of the extract was dose- and time-dependent mRNA levels of the dendritic markers MAP2 and PSD-95 by RT-PCR were found to be markedly increased by treatment with the extract, whereas those of the axonal marker Tau were not. Immunocytochemistry demonstrated the specific expression of MAP2 in neurites extended by the extract. These results suggest that the methanol extract of Ashwagandha promotes the formation of dendrites.


http://www.ncbi.nlm....t_uids=11536383

Here is another article talking about other nootropic effects relating to ashwagandha.

The reason why I find this so compelling is because it seems the effects of this substance might be cumulative and permanent, structural changes which could positive effect cognition (as I've said earlier). I would want more opinion on this substance but otherwise it's very farly priced and I will probably be picking up some soon.

Edited by cosmos, 01 July 2004 - 09:00 AM.


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Posted 01 July 2004 - 01:40 PM

Zencatholic this is certainly promising, in fact this is one of the most compelling nootropic substances I've heard of.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....t_uids=10884056

Dendrite extension by methanol extract of Ashwagandha (roots of Withania somnifera) in SK-N-SH cells.

Tohda C, Kuboyama T, Komatsu K.

Research Center for Ethnomedicines, Institute of Natural Medicine, Toyama Medical and Pharmaceutical University, Japan.

Extension of dendrites and axons in neurons may compensate for and repair damaged neuronal circuits in the dementia brain. Our aim in the present study was to explore drugs activating neurite outgrowth and regenerating the neuronal network. We found that the methanol extract of Ashwagandha (roots of Withania somnifera; 5 microg/ml) significantly increased the percentage of cells with neurites in human neuroblastoma SK-N-SH cells. The effect of the extract was dose- and time-dependent mRNA levels of the dendritic markers MAP2 and PSD-95 by RT-PCR were found to be markedly increased by treatment with the extract, whereas those of the axonal marker Tau were not. Immunocytochemistry demonstrated the specific expression of MAP2 in neurites extended by the extract. These results suggest that the methanol extract of Ashwagandha promotes the formation of dendrites.


http://www.ncbi.nlm....t_uids=11536383

Here is another article talking about other nootropic effects relating to ashwagandha.

The reason why I find this so compelling is because it seems the effects of this substance might be cumulative and permanent, structural changes which could positive effect cognition (as I've said earlier). I would want more opinion on this substance but otherwise it's very farly priced and I will probably be picking up some soon.


Some of these studies show dosing at 20-50mg/kg and as high as 200mg/kg. At 50mg/kg we're looking at a dose of about 4.5g per day for an average 200lb male which that 1 lb bag should last around 100 days at this dose. And at about 20 bucks a bag, yes, i would say very fairly priced :)

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Posted 01 July 2004 - 02:14 PM

Keep in mind that like Huperzine A for instance, Huperzine A is simply an extract of a certain chinese herb. Huperzine A is a totally different substance compared to Ashwagandha but I'm using that for an example. Ashwagandha (I believe, not certain) has two active ingredients in quite low doses, but these two ingredients are what make up the positive nootropic effects we see in those studies. One of those active ingredients is the Withanolides, I believe this is what is causing the dendritic and axon growth but I cannot be sure. It seems that the Withanolides are at microgram doses. So while I may buy that 1 pound bag of Ashwagandha I prefer to get the most bang for my buck by buying an extract in pill form of a standardized amount of Withanolides, I do not believe taking too much would pose a health risk although I cannot be certain. Pills are preferable because a certain dose can be maintained indefinitely so that you are certain you are dosing correctly with each serving rather than ball parking it with a bag of Ashwagandha.

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Posted 01 July 2004 - 03:03 PM

@cosmos,

I don't understand your logic at all. You just need to buy a scale and empty caps, and cap em quick.

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Posted 01 July 2004 - 03:17 PM

Axon- or dendrite-predominant outgrowth induced by constituents from Ashwagandha

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Neuroreport. 2002 Oct 7;13(14):1715-20.  Related Articles, Links

Axon- or dendrite-predominant outgrowth induced by constituents from Ashwagandha.

Kuboyama T, Tohda C, Zhao J, Nakamura N, Hattori M, Komatsu K.
Research Center for Ethnomedicines, Institute of Natural Medicine, Toyama Medical and Pharmaceutical University, Toyama, Japan.

We previously reported that the methanol extract of Ashwagandha (roots of Dunal) induced dendrite extension in a human neuroblastoma cell line. In this study, we found that six of the 18 compounds isolated from the methanol extract enhanced neurite outgrowth in human neuroblastoma SH-SY5Y cells. Double immunostaining was performed in rat cortical neurons using antibodies to phosphorylated NF-H as an axonal marker, and to MAP2 as a dendritic marker. In withanolide A-treated cells, the length of NF-H-positive processes was significantly increased compared with vehicle-treated cells, whereas, the length of MAP2-positive processes was increased by withanosides IV and VI. These results suggest that axons are predominantly extended by withanolide A, and dendrites by withanosides IV and VI. Copyright 2002 Lippincott Williams & Wilkins



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Posted 01 July 2004 - 03:38 PM

I used to use a mix of Bacopa, Ashwaganda and Ginseng that I capped from Beyond A Century (they carry all of them in standardized extracts). I can't say that I noticed anything from them, but I use alot of stimulants due to narcolepsy, so I am not the best at noticing "small" or "moderate" changes in mental states.

The research on all of these compounds demonstrates a great potential for promoting health, so while cognitive benefits may be nice, the majority of their benefits may be unnoticed.

Also, because neuronal development can be demonstrated in cell culture is a far cry from actually stimulating it in vivo. Cell cultures do not act like complete organisms.

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Posted 01 July 2004 - 04:29 PM

Bernie:

Apparently you have not examined the several sources of the article that I linked.

Do you have special suite of brain benchmarking tools to which you subject your brain to? Please elaborate on this issue.


Tohda C, Kuboyama T, Komatsu K.

Research Center for Ethnomedicines, Institute of Natural Medicine, Toyama Medical and Pharmaceutical University, Japan.
Extension of dendrites and axons in neurons may compensate for and repair damaged neuronal circuits in the dementia brain. Our aim in the present study was to explore drugs activating neurite outgrowth and regenerating the neuronal network. We found that the methanol extract of Ashwagandha (roots of Withania somnifera; 5 microg/ml) significantly increased the percentage of cells with neurites in human neuroblastoma SK-N-SH cells. The effect of the extract was dose- and time-dependent mRNA levels of the dendritic markers MAP2 and PSD-95 by RT-PCR were found to be markedly increased by treatment with the extract, whereas those of the axonal marker Tau were not. Immunocytochemistry demonstrated the specific expression of MAP2 in neurites extended by the extract. These results suggest that the methanol extract of Ashwagandha promotes the formation of dendrites.


Neurochem Int. 1997 Feb;30(2):181-90.  Related Articles, Links
Systemic administration of defined extracts from Withania somnifera (Indian Ginseng) and Shilajit differentially affects cholinergic but not glutamatergic and GABAergic Schliebs R, Liebmann A, Bhattacharya SK, Kumar A, Ghosal S, Bigl V.

Paul Flechsig Institute for Brain Research, Department of Neurochemistry, University of Leipzig, Germany.

Although some promising results have been achieved by acetylcholinesterase inhibitors, an effective therapeutic intervention in Alzheimer's disease still remains an important goal. Sitoindosides VII-X, and withaferin-A, isolated from aqueous methanol extract from the roots of cultivated varieties of Withania somnifera (known as Indian Ginseng), as well as Shilajit, a pale-brown to blackish brown exudation from steep rocks of the Himalaya mountain, are used in Indian medicine to attenuate cerebral functional deficits, including amnesia, in geriatric patients. The present investigation was conducted to assess whether the memory-enhancing effects of plant extracts from Withania somnifera and Shilajit are owing to neurochemical alterations of specific transmitter systems. Therefore, histochemistry to analyse acetylcholinesterase activity as well as receptor autoradiography to detect cholinergic, glutamatergic and GABAergic receptor subtypes were performed in brain slices from adult male Wistar rats, injected intraperitoneally daily with an equimolar mixture of sitoindosides VII-X and withaferin-A (prepared from Withania somnifera) or with Shilajit, at doses of 40 mg/kg of body weight for 7 days. Administration of Shilajit led to reduced acetylcholinesterase staining, restricted to the basal forebrain nuclei including medial septum and the vertical limb of the diagonal band. Systemic application of the defined extract from Withania somnifera, however, led to differential effects on AChE activity in basal forebrain nuclei: slightly enhanced AChE activity was found in the lateral septum and globus pallidus, whereas in the vertical diagonal band AChE activity was reduced following treatment with sitoindosides VII-X and withaferin-A. These changes were accompanied by enhanced M1-muscarinic cholinergic receptor binding in lateral and medial septum as well as in frontal cortices, whereas the M2-muscarinic receptor binding sites were increased in a number of cortical regions including cingulate, frontal, piriform, parietal and retrosplenial cortex. Treatment with Shilajit or the defined extract from Withania somnifera affected neither GABAA and benzodiazepine receptor binding nor NMDA and AMPA glutamate receptor subtypes in any of the cortical or subcortical regions studied. The data suggest that Shilajit and the defined extract from Withania somnifera affect preferentially events in the cortical and basal forebrain cholinergic signal transduction cascade. The drug-induced increase in cortical muscarinic acetylcholine receptor capacity might partly explain the cognition-enhancing and memory-improving effects of extracts from Withania somnifera observed in animals and humans.


I think that if we get the same results from animal/rat studies as we do in vitro, we can safely assume that the same results will be duplicated in vivo. In other words, if we notice an effect of a drug to human neurons in vivo, and we then test a drug on an animal (in this case a rat), and we get the same results, that is conclusive evidence that the results will be consistent when the drug is applied to a human brain.

Edited by adamp2p, 01 July 2004 - 07:55 PM.


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Posted 01 July 2004 - 09:03 PM

adamp2p which Ashwaganda product do you suggest I should buy?

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Posted 01 July 2004 - 10:14 PM

adamp2p which Ashwaganda product do you suggest I should buy?


I would just advise getting the one that I got. here is the direct link

I do not see a benefit in buying the Kosher variety of this herb; get the "cut and sifted" version because it is easier to cap. I did not mean to offend you if I did earlier -- its just that the exact same stuff goes into the pre-capped bottles that you buy in bulk from the forelinked site.

BTW, cosmos, how is the strattera trial going? Are you almost out?

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Posted 01 July 2004 - 10:26 PM

My Strattera trial went quite well, the 75mg dose was optimal for me and yes I am out unfortunately. I hope to try Edronax (Reboxetine) as an adequate replacement, it is cheaper than Strattera on the internet but it remains quite expensive overall.

As for your recommendation I will take you up on it and purchase it in the next day or two. However I'd like to know what they mean by "cut and sifted", is it in powder form or sorts? You're saying it is easier to cap so I'm assuming it's pretty much in powder form.

Cheers.

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Posted 01 July 2004 - 10:32 PM

My Strattera trial went quite well, the 75mg dose was optimal for me


Could elaborate about "went quite well"? What were you expecting and what happenned when you tried Strattera?

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Posted 01 July 2004 - 10:56 PM

Well I was never formally diagnosed with ADD/ADHD but I believe I have it, based on many factors in my acedemic life. Before nootropics and Strattera I would suffer from a somewhat acute lack of focus and concentration over an extended period of time. Either it would be as a result of mental fatigue or just an inability to stay focused, it's rather hard to articulate in words at times but Strattera seemed to help quite well in that respect and gave me the mental energy to focus when I needed to.

The thing with Strattera and many other SNRIs is that it seems that they work well with some people, but don't work at all with others. In my case I was lucky and it seemed to work quite well at higher doses. Another positive is that I went off Strattera cold turkey (because I had a small sample of it) and did not feel particularly noticeable side effects, whereas SSRIs have some more serious side effects if they are gone off of cold turkey.

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Posted 01 July 2004 - 11:55 PM

Well I was never formally diagnosed with ADD/ADHD but I believe I have it, based on many factors in my acedemic life. Before nootropics and Strattera I would suffer from a somewhat acute lack of focus and concentration over an extended period of time. Either it would be as a result of mental fatigue or just an inability to stay focused, it's rather hard to articulate in words at times but Strattera seemed to help quite well in that respect and gave me the mental energy to focus when I needed to.

The thing with Strattera and many other SNRIs is that it seems that they work well with some people, but don't work at all with others. In my case I was lucky and it seemed to work quite well at higher doses. Another positive is that I went off Strattera cold turkey (because I had a small sample of it) and did not feel particularly noticeable side effects, whereas SSRIs have some more serious side effects if they are gone off of cold turkey.


I would not go so far as to say that you are ADD or ADHD; I do not have ADD or ADHD and I take 85mg Strattera daily because it improves my concentration.

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Posted 02 July 2004 - 12:10 AM

I'd like to know what they mean by "cut and sifted"


All cut and sifted C/S bulk herbs are ready for encapsulation or may be used as tea

Does that answer your question?

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Posted 02 July 2004 - 12:16 AM


I'd like to know what they mean by "cut and sifted"


All cut and sifted C/S bulk herbs are ready for encapsulation or may be used as tea

Does that answer your question?


Essentially yes.

Thank you.

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Posted 03 July 2004 - 05:03 PM

@cosmos:

Make sure that you DON'T order the cut and sifted ashwaghanda from shamanshop. They will send you a bunch of sticks and twigs. This really pissed me off; I had to reorder the bulk powder....

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Posted 03 July 2004 - 06:53 PM

I see... can you link me to the bulk powder you ordered?

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Posted 03 July 2004 - 07:03 PM

http://www.shamansho...3670.0/file.htm

I think this is it, but I'll get verification from you first.

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Posted 03 July 2004 - 07:11 PM

http://www.shamansho...3670.0/file.htm

I think this is it, but I'll get verification from you first.


That is the right stuff. Check your PM.

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Posted 03 July 2004 - 07:33 PM

Done. Check your PM.

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Posted 03 July 2004 - 08:14 PM

So - is the C/S Aswaganda good for anything? I wonder how many returns this company is going to get. I ordered some based on Adam's first link.

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Posted 03 July 2004 - 08:40 PM

It works just as well, but powder is better because you can get it capped and maintain a constant dose indefinitely. It's just an issue of convenience as I see it.

Speaking of which does anyone know a good daily dosage? I have a feeling that one must use Ashwagandha for 1.5-2 years to see results from it.

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Posted 03 July 2004 - 09:12 PM

So - is the C/S Aswaganda good for anything?  I wonder how many returns this company is going to get.  I ordered some based on Adam's first link.


Well actually it was a misunderstanding. Go to google and search "cut and sifted" with the quotes or click here. That means ready for encapulation. Some places have different definitions for this. Here is what I did: I am keeping the pound of the root (just because I am impatient) and boiling 6 grams (as suggested) for 15 minutes and drinking the tea. I am sure that it is just as effective that way, but to be honest with you, I would rather just cap it. So I am keeping the pound to make tea out of (which turned out to be much better than I anticipated it would be), and I am going to cap the powder when I get it and keep both pounds (I have the extra dough right now). From the referenced studies, you can conclude that rather high doses of this substance are safe, as well as effective, so it really depends on your budget. And I guess if you have a coffee grinder you could grind this stuff up and it would be equivalent to the powder (as the powder is just the ground root).

Take care, ej, my friend.

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Posted 03 July 2004 - 09:16 PM

It works just as well, but powder is better because you can get it capped and maintain a constant dose indefinitely. It's just an issue of convenience as I see it.

Speaking of which does anyone know a good daily dosage? I have a feeling that one must use Ashwagandha for 1.5-2 years to see results from it.


Cosmos: in general, yes, but go look at those studies that the article that I linked referenced. You see that there are very immediate effects as well as long term effects from this herb. Nevertheless, ALL nootropics really need time to work. So the earlier you start the better. And with ashwaghanda it appears that it has been well known for its nootropic effects for THOUSANDS of years, which is a unique attribute that deserves respect.

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Posted 03 July 2004 - 10:54 PM

I believe the studies talked about dendritic and axon growth over 6-18 months. However I'm saying that it might be 1.5-2 years before the effects are more noticeable. There maybe more immediate nootropic effects of Aswaganda which are noticeable but I'm not talking about those.




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