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[Area-1255]

It's not the breath - there is nothing worse than a man who has onion body odour.  You may improve your looks and libido but you will have to pay people to have sex with you. 

Lol, is that why my last 10 fucks were colombian escorts?     

[TleilaxuJemi]

Traditional Chinese tonic:

slice or chop a raw onion
place in a jar and add a spoonful of sugar
cover, shake, let sit several hours or overnight
drink the juice

The sugar draws out the juice from the onion. It does help coughs and colds, and is reputed to be a healthful tonic for old men.

Another NEW YORKER,I feel blessed man!

Yes, onion juice is interesting, I was always under the impression that you have to eat the onions raw, and that cooking them removes the allicin compound that is supposed to be both neuroprotective and have testosterone boosting properties...

Agreed on eating them raw. If it is the antioxidant activity that is responsible for the testosterone boost, as I am betting, then anything that reduces their reactivity will reduce their effectiveness, inclusive of chopping them up, waiting 10 minutes, and then eating them, which would make them easier to eat, but also massively oxidize the onion bits. I wouldn't sugar them, pickle them, or do anything other than eat them raw. Juicing them is probably OK, as long as the juice is downed immediately, but I'm not sure if that would be easier than just eating them directly.

Interesting about allicin being neuroprotective. I'll have to look that up.

[elemerendero1]

My feeling is that cancer cells are programmed to reduce their growth rate in the presence of antioxidants. Finding effective ways to combat cancer would have been one of the earliest evolutionary challenges for multicellular organisms, so it makes sense that genes would encode routines that cause cancer cells to die in environments where normal cells thrive, i.e. 'antioxidant rich. I strongly believe this is for real, and if it is, this could be *way* better than testosterone supplementation, as it's unlikely to create an imbalance in biochemistry, would be self-limiting, and could have a *ton* of concomitant benefits. I'm going to try to work out a strategy for minimizing body odor from the onion, and then try this.

IS ABSOLUTELY FALSE. Antioxidants can promote the growth of cancer! DO THE RESEARCH ON DUE vitamin E, vitamin C, selenium ...

carry some fast result (you do the necessary research)

http://www.webmd.com...prostate-cancer

Read (and read them well) studies, beware the "anecdotes" and who "promotes" natural methods (when I say beware not to say that these people say necessarily false, God forbid, but often these people are "biased" , or fanatics, or sellers, so be critical and rational).

That said, some natural antioxidants have anti cancer activity instead (as always do your own research)

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/23441614

http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC3426621/

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/15843897

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/20042414

http://www.dailymail...-DNA-study.html

http://www.aicr.org/...lueberries.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/23387969

http://www.google.it....81828268,d.d24

http://naturalsociet...n-cancer-drugs/

http://www.naturalne...ate_cancer.html

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Beyond the effects on Cancer, considered that (as 90% of things), even if the antioxidants are promoted for longevity, they have an effect of an inverted U: a bit 'of supplementation prolongs life, but from a certain point on, the effect is the opposite!

http://rsbl.royalsoc...nt/9/4/20130432

http://www.ucl.ac.uk...Wenner_2013.pdf

http://www.scientifi...-radical-shift/

 

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A last word on the onions. Their effects (as mentioned above) are definitely due (at least in part) to the synergy of different antioxidants ... the most famous of which, prsente in this food, is quercetin.

Quercetin is a beautiful essence, I wanted to take myself as a supplement, however there is a particular side effect that unfortunately is not compatible with my activities:

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/20466049

There is a study that shows instead beneficial effects on memory in certain circumstances (http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/22738455), but as far as I'm concerned, the only possibility to have a minimum of decline memory performance (for me) is intolerable.

[Area-1255]

 

It's not the breath - there is nothing worse than a man who has onion body odour.  You may improve your looks and libido but you will have to pay people to have sex with you. 

Lol, is that why my last 10 fucks were colombian escorts?     

 

Lol at "needs references" on the escorts. 

[TleilaxuJemi]

My feeling is that cancer cells are programmed to reduce their growth rate in the presence of antioxidants. Finding effective ways to combat cancer would have been one of the earliest evolutionary challenges for multicellular organisms, so it makes sense that genes would encode routines that cause cancer cells to die in environments where normal cells thrive, i.e. 'antioxidant rich. I strongly believe this is for real, and if it is, this could be *way* better than testosterone supplementation, as it's unlikely to create an imbalance in biochemistry, would be self-limiting, and could have a *ton* of concomitant benefits. I'm going to try to work out a strategy for minimizing body odor from the onion, and then try this.

IS ABSOLUTELY FALSE. Antioxidants can promote the growth of cancer! DO THE RESEARCH ON DUE vitamin E, vitamin C, selenium ...

carry some fast result (you do the necessary research)

http://www.webmd.com...prostate-cancer

Read (and read them well) studies, beware the "anecdotes" and who "promotes" natural methods (when I say beware not to say that these people say necessarily false, God forbid, but often these people are "biased" , or fanatics, or sellers, so be critical and rational).

That said, some natural antioxidants have anti cancer activity instead (as always do your own research)

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/23441614

http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC3426621/

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/15843897

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/20042414

http://www.dailymail...-DNA-study.html

http://www.aicr.org/...lueberries.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/23387969

http://www.google.it....81828268,d.d24

http://naturalsociet...n-cancer-drugs/

http://www.naturalne...ate_cancer.html

---------------

Beyond the effects on Cancer, considered that (as 90% of things), even if the antioxidants are promoted for longevity, they have an effect of an inverted U: a bit 'of supplementation prolongs life, but from a certain point on, the effect is the opposite!

http://rsbl.royalsoc...nt/9/4/20130432

http://www.ucl.ac.uk...Wenner_2013.pdf

http://www.scientifi...-radical-shift/

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A last word on the onions. Their effects (as mentioned above) are definitely due (at least in part) to the synergy of different antioxidants ... the most famous of which, prsente in this food, is quercetin.

Quercetin is a beautiful essence, I wanted to take myself as a supplement, however there is a particular side effect that unfortunately is not compatible with my activities:

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/20466049

There is a study that shows instead beneficial effects on memory in certain circumstances (http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/22738455), but as far as I'm concerned, the only possibility to have a minimum of decline memory performance (for me) is intolerable.

That vitamin C could increase cancer risk is a little bit surprising to me, as there is not a well defined toxic dose for vitamin C. Since 1000 mg vitamin C diminishes VO²max in athletes, I'm going to define this for my own purposes as a subtly toxic dose. That vitamins A & E and selenium can contribute to cancer risk at high doses is not surprising to me as these all have a well defined toxicity level, and it's not even very high. Another example is n-acetyl-cysteine,whose toxic dose is pretty high, but has pretty nasty side effects at normal doses in about 18% of the population. I think it's likely that NAC has a subtly toxic dose that manifests itself much more severely in a certain subset of the population.

It should not be surprising that vitamins, whose active dose is quite low by definition, could have nasty effects at high doses. You are quite right about the inverse U shaped dose response curve applying 90% of time, but as to whether it can be applied to antioxidants _as a class_, I don't know how anyone would go about proving that. The dosage of onion we're talking about is around one large onion per day, which probably doesn't represent a toxic dose of any of the phytonutrients contained in the onion, provided that it is not consumed over too long a period. Some sort of dosing schedule should be worked out.

Anyway, thanks for the links. The individual phytochemicals in onions should be investigated one by one, but there is the ever present problem of insufficient research being done on these kinds of substances.

Edited by TleilaxuJemi, 14 December 2014 - 10:27 PM.

[nushu]

Who has felt a difference from this?

[TleilaxuJemi]

Who has felt a difference from this?

Several people have expressed interest in this, but so far no one has been able to keep the onions down. I was blessed with a strong stomach and I probably have low T, so I will be guinea pigging myself. Lumineferous seemed committed but he had some questions no one tried to answer:

Ok, I waited before I started the onion regimen till today because of an appointment with the therapist. Now I don't have any sessions till 3-4 weeks, so I will be eating onions every day from now on.

I won't be testing my levels but I will keep a diary and pay attention to my strength and stamina.

A few questions to make sure nothing jeopordizes the results:
-How many onions do I need to take and can I space it out during a day or take it all at once?
-Does it matter whether I juice it or eat it?
-Should I take it with food or an empty stomach
-Which foods should I avoid so that it doesn't decrease the effects of the onion? (Like can I take garlic too?)
-How long should I wait with specially brewed tea to decrease the onion smell?
-Does the type of onion matter?

I will post the diary in 20 days and keep you guys updated.

  

1) If you weigh 100 kilograms you want 100 grams of onion juice, so probably 1 large onion, completely fresh. I'd say probably 45 minutes or less before a workout. When you smell the onion in your sweat, it's already started working. You can titrate up if you feel you need to, but be sure to get your T tested!

2) shouldn't matter whether you juice it or eat it, but don't leave cut or juiced onions lying around oxidizing. Consume immediately!

3) In the study I'm pretty sure the rats were on an empty stomach.

4) Garlic is probably OK, but definitely test your T as much as you can. Get useful baselines! Some teas may hurt T! Avoid soy and anything else with phytoestrogens!

5)What kind of tea? I would definitely wait till after your workout, then shower really well, brush teeth vigorously, then use any teas or odor masking agents!

6)Onion type definitely matters, but we don't know how! The kind used in the study were standard onions, allium cepa. Green onions may work also! Leeks may work!

[HappyShoe]

Raw onions contain a lot more of the active compounds. Problem though, raw onion is strongly linked to migraines in those prone. Hell, I never get headaches, so much so, that the only time I ever had one bad enough to go to a doctor, I ended up having encephalitis.(True Story) That being said, recently I started consuming raw onions for the health benefits, day 2 I had trouble falling asleep due to head tension, day 3 I had a bad pressure headache. YMMV, but something to be aware of, and possibly another non-odor based reason this isn't done by people.

Another thing to consider is, this might not significantly increase levels in humans due to the dosage, I would think that is a huge dose for rats, humans might need to eat the equivalent of like 5 onions per day or something ridiculous. (Just a guess, since there was no human trial included)

[HungryHippocampi]

Why not take Fenugreek along with the Onion juice?  Maybe the maple smell will counteract the onion smell, either that or you'll smell like a breakfast buffet.  And Fenugreek has some side benefits as well: http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/21312304

[Logic]

I think d-limonene may be the answer for onion breath and BO as it neutralises the smell of DMSO.
It will probably work with all sulphur based bad smell producing supps and foods, garlic an onion included.

http://www.longecity...o-for-injuries/

I hope someone tests it.

[drew_ab]

It seems like there hasn't been a human anywhere who has been able to stick with this.  While I want the effect to hold true in humans, I am skeptical that it will.

[normalizing]

lol this thread is hilarious. lots of tough talking macho men going "ill do it ill do it" then other guys going "i hope someone tests it!" and then nobody has the balls to try this for the past several months of tough talks!

im thinking, should you guys first try to get your testosterone high enough to have the balls to then try this?

[birthdaysuit]

I juiced one whole raw onion a few months ago and managed to get the whole thing down. I felt weird for the rest of the day. Very energized more so than caffeine and my vision was odd as well. I tried juicing two onions after that and I almost passed out. Terrible migraines and I smelt like onions.

[CaptainJ]

I juiced one whole raw onion a few months ago and managed to get the whole thing down. I felt weird for the rest of the day. Very energized more so than caffeine and my vision was odd as well. I tried juicing two onions after that and I almost passed out. Terrible migraines and I smelt like onions.

 

A long while ago, I juiced an onion(or half, I do not recall at the moment) along with some other vegetables and fruit, and from what I recall the taste overpowered everything enough to ruin the flavor(not enough to prevent me from drinking it for nutritional purposes though).  However, I think that method would make it much more tolerable than drinking it straight, depending on the volume.  I suppose if the volume were small enough, maybe an anology of chasing hard liquor with beer may be in order.  

 

I had seen this thread long ago but today was actually searching onions for possible reasons to avoid them, to see if any may align with Eastern spiritual reasons for avoiding them(and garlic).  Now I am kind of eager to see if there are any more brave souls who will test this out.  

Edited by CaptainJ, 24 June 2016 - 04:34 AM.

[aconita]

The eastern spiritual reasons for avoiding them(and garlic) are Are Krishna nonsenses which have little to do with actual eastern spirituality, since they maintain sex is very bad and evil the most likely reason is exactly to avoid rising testosterone.

 

By the way even mushrooms are forbidden as well as all animal products but ghee, refined sugar in the other end is warmly recommended and considered a very spiritual food which in facts they consume in unbelievable amounts.

 

The diabetes impotence apotheosis.

 

Anyway onions would likely rise testosterone only when levels are extremely low, otherwise is quite doubtful it's going to make a dent.

 

Now is Tropea red onions' season, which are particularly sweet and pleasant (if where you live are available).