29 replies to this topic

[jj2006]

I know this is a bit weird, but curious to see what you members would think would be the best or superior supplement to take or have a stack/regimen of supplements for mass-building!

Thanks al!!

You all are the best!!

[mustardseed41]

Calorie surplus, no aerobics, compound movements (squats, rows, deadlifts, etc)
No overtraining and plenty of rest.
Will not come in a bottle, outside of drugs. Sweat and hard work.

Edited by mustardseed41, 20 March 2010 - 09:36 PM.

[jj2006]

Thanks, no supplements like L-Carnitine, etc?

Thanks!!

Calorie surplus, no aerobics, compound movements (squats, rows, deadlifts, etc)
No overtraining and plenty of rest.
Will not come in a bottle, outside of drugs. Sweat and hard work.

[mustardseed41]

Thanks, no supplements like L-Carnitine, etc?

Thanks!!

Calorie surplus, no aerobics, compound movements (squats, rows, deadlifts, etc)
No overtraining and plenty of rest.
Will not come in a bottle, outside of drugs. Sweat and hard work.

Whey protein,Creatine, and Beta-Alanine are 3 worth using.

Edited by mustardseed41, 20 March 2010 - 10:00 PM.

[Fleet]

Whey protein,Creatine, and Beta-Alanine are 3 worth using.

Could Beta-Alanine Reduce Mental Fatigue, Enhance Focus and/or Cognitive ability's also?

[shaggy]

Thanks, no supplements like L-Carnitine, etc?

Thanks!!

Calorie surplus, no aerobics, compound movements (squats, rows, deadlifts, etc)
No overtraining and plenty of rest.
Will not come in a bottle, outside of drugs. Sweat and hard work.

Whey protein,Creatine, and Beta-Alanine are 3 worth using.

Yup good advice, three of the most proven in bodybuilding, besides the injectible supplements.

BCAA also have proven benefits in muscle building... I take a supplement from Reflex nutrition called Trimatrix evolution which has given me an extra boost at adding some quality lean mass ready for the summer. Great before lifting or cardio.

[RighteousReason]

BCAA
Whey
maltodextrin, raw honey
beta alanine
taurine
HMB
creatine monohydrate
arginine/ornithine, citrulline malate

[mikeinnaples]

How does gaining mass for body building purposes cause any gains in life extension? I am not sure this is the proper forum for boldy building questions as the aim of most people here it to do the exact opposite of what body building does in regards to end game (longevity).

[shaggy]

How does gaining mass for body building purposes cause any gains in life extension? I am not sure this is the proper forum for boldy building questions as the aim of most people here it to do the exact opposite of what body building does in regards to end game (longevity).

Somewhat narrow minded... Look at all the threads on this forum at the moment...not a great deal are linked to increasing longevity?

Maybe people want to live as long and as healthy as possible with a muscular, strong body? From all the recent publicity in the press it's becoming obvious skinny dudes don't live any longer anyway! ;-)

[mikeinnaples]

How does gaining mass for body building purposes cause any gains in life extension? I am not sure this is the proper forum for boldy building questions as the aim of most people here it to do the exact opposite of what body building does in regards to end game (longevity).

Somewhat narrow minded... Look at all the threads on this forum at the moment...not a great deal are linked to increasing longevity?

Maybe people want to live as long and as healthy as possible with a muscular, strong body? From all the recent publicity in the press it's becoming obvious skinny dudes don't live any longer anyway! ;-)

Heh, I am not being narrow minded at all. I understand that there is a rather large middle ground between 'skinny' and 'body building'. There is a large difference between someone who lifts to put on size (for the sake of the size) and someone who lifts to be healthier/stronger/capable. I also contend that you can be extremely strong, completely ripped, and have quite a bit of muscle mass without partaking in the pisspoor lifting techniques, diet, and lifestyle that goes along with bodybuilding.

Edited by mikeinnaples, 22 March 2010 - 03:54 PM.

[RighteousReason]

BCAA
Whey
maltodextrin, raw honey
beta alanine
taurine
HMB
creatine monohydrate
arginine/ornithine, citrulline malate

Oh and milk

[Happy Gringo]

I would be concerned about milk unless you are also taking something to reduce estrogen. I saw a study where milk from pregnant cows raised estrogen levels in humans. Raising your estrogen would trigger testosterone production to slow down or stop. I do drink a lot of milk, but I take very low dose arimidex twice a week to keep down the estrogen.

[eason]

From all the recent publicity in the press it's becoming obvious skinny dudes don't live any longer anyway! ;-)

This is a pretty uneducated statement. But then again, it is coming from the press. No surprise.

[jj2006]

Thank you.

I heard HMB doesn't show any benefits towards weight-lifters?
Same for arginine.


Ty!

BCAA
Whey
maltodextrin, raw honey
beta alanine
taurine
HMB
creatine monohydrate
arginine/ornithine, citrulline malate

[jj2006]

Lol!!

Thanks, no supplements like L-Carnitine, etc?

Thanks!!

Calorie surplus, no aerobics, compound movements (squats, rows, deadlifts, etc)
No overtraining and plenty of rest.
Will not come in a bottle, outside of drugs. Sweat and hard work.

Whey protein,Creatine, and Beta-Alanine are 3 worth using.

Yup good advice, three of the most proven in bodybuilding, besides the injectible supplements.

BCAA also have proven benefits in muscle building... I take a supplement from Reflex nutrition called Trimatrix evolution which has given me an extra boost at adding some quality lean mass ready for the summer. Great before lifting or cardio.

[jj2006]

Thank you Shaggy

How does gaining mass for body building purposes cause any gains in life extension? I am not sure this is the proper forum for boldy building questions as the aim of most people here it to do the exact opposite of what body building does in regards to end game (longevity).

Somewhat narrow minded... Look at all the threads on this forum at the moment...not a great deal are linked to increasing longevity?

Maybe people want to live as long and as healthy as possible with a muscular, strong body? From all the recent publicity in the press it's becoming obvious skinny dudes don't live any longer anyway! ;-)

[jj2006]

Has anyone here super-dosed BCAA/Leucine? One of my friends takes 45-50g of BCAA per day, and he saw great results in terms of his physique however he told me he got moody alot!

What about glutamine? Many take 20-40g a day.

Testosterone Boosters (Hormonal and Non-hormonal) Ecdysterone/Turksterone anyone know about these?

Good luck all!!

[Hedrock]

For me ecdysterones has some hormonal effects. But there are also critical comments.

Here articles about it.

(I'm not a bodybuilder! Just take it for health reasons)

Edited by Hedrock, 22 March 2010 - 08:55 PM.

[jj2006]

I saw in a article it helps for joints too!

http://www.ergo-log....ronejoints.html

For me ecdysterones has some hormonal effects. But there are also critical comments.

Here articles about it.

(I'm not a bodybuilder! Just take it for health reasons)

[shaggy]

How does gaining mass for body building purposes cause any gains in life extension? I am not sure this is the proper forum for boldy building questions as the aim of most people here it to do the exact opposite of what body building does in regards to end game (longevity).

Somewhat narrow minded... Look at all the threads on this forum at the moment...not a great deal are linked to increasing longevity?

Maybe people want to live as long and as healthy as possible with a muscular, strong body? From all the recent publicity in the press it's becoming obvious skinny dudes don't live any longer anyway! ;-)

Heh, I am not being narrow minded at all. I understand that there is a rather large middle ground between 'skinny' and 'body building'. There is a large difference between someone who lifts to put on size (for the sake of the size) and someone who lifts to be healthier/stronger/capable. I also contend that you can be extremely strong, completely ripped, and have quite a bit of muscle mass without partaking in the pisspoor lifting techniques, diet, and lifestyle that goes along with bodybuilding.

Bodybuilding for me, is lifting weights to increase muscle mass above what I would carry "normally". To what degree you do this is a personal matter and what supplements one utilises, be they natural or synthetic is down to individual choice.

I do a lot a middle distance running mixed up with mountain biking so "bodybuilding" for me is impotant to maintain sufficient upper body strength.

Maybe I should call it weight training and not bodybuilding to avoid any confusion?

Back on topic.... I know a lot of folks on her don't seem to like AAKG, but I'm sure this supplement has helped me improve my size and strength over the past year or so. HMB does suck however, tried 3 months on that at dosage 3g a day and noticed nothing at all.

[jj2006]

Yeah HMB Did nothing for me.


Have you tried MethoxyIsflavone or any Testosterone (Hormonal) boosters?

Good luck!!

How does gaining mass for body building purposes cause any gains in life extension? I am not sure this is the proper forum for boldy building questions as the aim of most people here it to do the exact opposite of what body building does in regards to end game (longevity).

Somewhat narrow minded... Look at all the threads on this forum at the moment...not a great deal are linked to increasing longevity?

Maybe people want to live as long and as healthy as possible with a muscular, strong body? From all the recent publicity in the press it's becoming obvious skinny dudes don't live any longer anyway! ;-)

Heh, I am not being narrow minded at all. I understand that there is a rather large middle ground between 'skinny' and 'body building'. There is a large difference between someone who lifts to put on size (for the sake of the size) and someone who lifts to be healthier/stronger/capable. I also contend that you can be extremely strong, completely ripped, and have quite a bit of muscle mass without partaking in the pisspoor lifting techniques, diet, and lifestyle that goes along with bodybuilding.

Bodybuilding for me, is lifting weights to increase muscle mass above what I would carry "normally". To what degree you do this is a personal matter and what supplements one utilises, be they natural or synthetic is down to individual choice.

I do a lot a middle distance running mixed up with mountain biking so "bodybuilding" for me is impotant to maintain sufficient upper body strength.

Maybe I should call it weight training and not bodybuilding to avoid any confusion?

Back on topic.... I know a lot of folks on her don't seem to like AAKG, but I'm sure this supplement has helped me improve my size and strength over the past year or so. HMB does suck however, tried 3 months on that at dosage 3g a day and noticed nothing at all.

[RighteousReason]

I saw in a article it helps for joints too!

http://www.ergo-log....ronejoints.html

For me ecdysterones has some hormonal effects. But there are also critical comments.

Here articles about it.

(I'm not a bodybuilder! Just take it for health reasons)

wow that's interesting but sounds extremely experimental. i'd wait for more studies

[health_nutty]

Olive oil

[RighteousReason]

Olive oil

agreed

[Hedrock]

wow that's interesting but sounds extremely experimental. i'd wait for more studies

Are you kidding?

Men have eaten insects for million years, so what? Why should ecdysteroids be a problem? They are in many plants, they are in insects, I see no problem!

Edited by Hedrock, 24 March 2010 - 12:12 AM.

[mustardseed41]

I tried HMB way back in the Bill Phillips wonder years....lol.....1995 or so. Did squat for me.

[hypnotoad]

I'd say a high quality whey protein shake after training is probably the single best thing you can do to promote anabolism outside of ensuring you are not low in testosterone and are not deficient in other nutrients and vitamins etc. None of the the non-steroidal supplements will make a big difference compared to proper lifting, although Creatine is the next best thing after a protein supplement from what I've seen and read over the years.

At the end of the day, progressive heavy lifting is the primary force behind building muscle - IFC, studies on various lab animals (rats, frogs) showed they still built muscles very quickly (40% mass increase or more in a few weeks) even when on low calorie diets when those muscles were intensely stimulated (their bodies robbed other organs for nutrients and protein). Not saying you can or would want to replicate those conditions, only that the body will go to great lengths to build muscle quickly when it needs to. So high-intensity weight training, rest, and caloric surplus are all that's needed to healthily build a decent amount of muscle/strength.

To gain a ton of muscle of size, true anabolics will be needed. Depending on what country you live in those may, or may not, be easy to acquire.

Edited by hypnotoad, 24 March 2010 - 07:21 AM.

[dangerroadhumps]

in order of potency

1. AAS/gh/insulin ect ect

2. nutrient partioning/pharma
-bromocriptine
-pergolide
-insulin sensitizers (metormin, ect)

3. legal and proven in human studies ergogenics
-creatine
-Adequate protein/cals



a sad state of affairs indeed

[shaggy]

2. nutrient partioning/pharma
-bromocriptine
-pergolide
-insulin sensitizers (metormin, ect)

I assume this is a typo?

I certainly wouldn't recommend metformin as a mass gainer... maybe to help reduce body fat %, but certainly not to add bulk. Also for the natural athelete, this drug has been proven to lower testosterone.

[kurdishfella]

You also need a power source like b12 with the mass gainer and protein powder. the energy comes from the mass.