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#31 Rational Madman

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Posted 27 April 2010 - 06:51 AM

Yeah maybe no-one should ever take responsibility for their actions since obviously they are at the mercy of their neurochemistry! What self-righteous bullshit, Isochroma deserves everything he gets, and using his unemployment as evidence of why he should be pitied? LoL, he spent ridiculous amounts of money on stockpiling piracetam, he was hardly struggling to get by. I'm sure all his so called ailments were purely self-diagnosed, he seemed like one of those arrogant, self-edifying armchair experts who decides they know exactly what they are suffering from, regardless of what any professional says.

Unless we accept people like him "our community will remain insular and ineffectual"? Absurd, ostracising individuals like him is healthy for our community, since he creates the opposite impression to the naive that we are trying to cultivate here.

Wow, if ever a username so aptly described the disposition of a member. Predictably, you've missed my point entirely, and continue to take a sickening pleasure from the misfortune of Isochroma. If it was not for your obvious self-loathing, unbending self-righteousness, and the futility of penetrating your coldness, it might be worth depriving you of your smugness and exposing the fragility that you vainly struggle to conceal beneath your contempt.

While I don't dispute the necessity of holding even the profoundly affected accountable for their actions, balancing punitive measures with compassion---even in instances of the most egregious offenses---is both necessary and proper for preventing recurrence and affecting change. Nonetheless, I share your frustration, but the manner of which I think we should handle deviant behavior seems to be hopelessly irreconcilable with your attitude, but hopefully, my viewpoint might prevail.

Even though the behavior of Isochoma was deeply disturbing, it is incumbent upon us to handle such matters as sensitively as the situation warrants. In this case, cruelly recounting and mocking his limitations will serve no end besides satiating appetites for cruelty. If your concerns are to serve a productive end, it would've been better to voice your private concerns to the administrators, or to Isochroma, so he can at the very least attempt to rationalize or apologize for his actions. Instead, you've been contributing to a thread that exposes a lamentable and exceedingly embarrassing side of himself that he sought to suppress. This desire is evidenced by his apparent---but ultimately misguided efforts---to correct his neurochemistry through supplementation, and to eliminate traces of this warted side through ineffectual threats. Based on his aberrant behavior, is there really any room to doubt the seriousness of his conditions or the veracity of his claims? Furthermore, are you seriously arguing that the mentally ill should be given no comfort in some situations? Tell me, what events in your life contributed to this twisted world-view?

While Isochroma is the benificiary of an extremely generous federal and provincial government, which provided him with the means to disastrously abuse Piracetam, he is still impoverished by any operational definition. Indeed, just because he spent an inordinate amount of money to support an addiction, it doesn't mean that his situation was free of suffering or indignity. Such a consumption pattern is in accordance with the behavior of any serious addict. And, unless you have any evidence beyond your prejudice to support the notions that his situation was anything but deplorable, and that his ailments were figments of his imagination, I'll continue to believe that his sad narrative is without embellishment.

To be sure, the credibility of the Immortality Institute does not rest on its treatment of individuals like Isochroma, but it's certainly not being buttressed by members subjecting the actions of the unfortunate with utter contempt, which in effect, would "cleanse" the community of individuals with undesirable qualities. If such behavior becomes ubiquitous, an insular and ineffectual outcome would be all but certain. In sum, neurochemical imbalances and conditions of autoimmunity should not be trivialized, especially when the evidence of such conditions are abundantly clear. They require delicate and conscientious care, even if some are nearly bereft of decency.

Edited by Rol82, 27 April 2010 - 07:00 AM.

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Posted 27 April 2010 - 10:53 AM

It might be comforting to believe that the mentally ill are able to exercise complete control over their actions, but a substantial amount of literature states otherwise.

It seems it may be equally "comforting" to believe that they're not. On the one hand, you're saying we should believe everything a mentally ill person who writes with astonishing hyperbole says about themselves as 100% true. Then, based on our diagnosis, we should use that information to discount other things they say because it seems unlikely that a mentally ill person will do something unreasonable and logistically difficult based on emotion. I'm not sure if the literature would support that. If it does, there are always exceptions, some of which I've witnessed with tragic results.

I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say. That I shouldn't have brought up the fact that he threatened people? That we should pretend it never happened? That mods should have refused to delete his account and forced him into an intervention? Your long comments suggest you see a lot of people here attacking isochroma. What I see is people saying his ideas and substance use are pretty outrageous, and a few saying they don't want to see him back because of some highly inappropriate behavior.

Unfortunately some people here engage on a more personal level, so I wouldn't expect everyone to come around to your way of thinking. If you want this topic to die, responding to everything you don't agree with is probably not the best way to achieve that end.

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Posted 27 April 2010 - 01:45 PM

It might be comforting to believe that the mentally ill are able to exercise complete control over their actions, but a substantial amount of literature states otherwise.

It seems it may be equally "comforting" to believe that they're not. On the one hand, you're saying we should believe everything a mentally ill person who writes with astonishing hyperbole says about themselves as 100% true. Then, based on our diagnosis, we should use that information to discount other things they say because it seems unlikely that a mentally ill person will do something unreasonable and logistically difficult based on emotion. I'm not sure if the literature would support that. If it does, there are always exceptions, some of which I've witnessed with tragic results.

I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say. That I shouldn't have brought up the fact that he threatened people? That we should pretend it never happened? That mods should have refused to delete his account and forced him into an intervention? Your long comments suggest you see a lot of people here attacking isochroma. What I see is people saying his ideas and substance use are pretty outrageous, and a few saying they don't want to see him back because of some highly inappropriate behavior.

Unfortunately some people here engage on a more personal level, so I wouldn't expect everyone to come around to your way of thinking. If you want this topic to die, responding to everything you don't agree with is probably not the best way to achieve that end.

I was trying to convey my disgust with the direction that this thread took---from discussing the status of Isochroma, to the posting of an unflattering excerpt of his hypomanic writing (for all to see), which was accompanied by pejorative and insensitive commentary. To encapsulate, I was offended by some of the discussion particpants' treatment of mental illness, which can be a very grave condition. But, in this instance, it was not treated as such. Indeed, if another relatively serious condition were to receive similar treatment---like Lyme Disease, ADHD, OCD, or dyslexia---it would have precipitated a predictable and justified uproar. And, by treating Isochroma's story in a lighthearted way, such members were---in effect---cheapening his suffering. As a consequence, this attitude provoked my angry response.

Edited by Rol82, 27 April 2010 - 03:04 PM.


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Posted 27 April 2010 - 02:00 PM

Yep, a lot of this is pretty insensitive. But I think judging it based upon how people should respond to other conditions is a little unfair. In his case, Isochroma was saying "I'm taking 20g of piracetam a day, and it's making me God" etc. People were telling him not to do it, and what it seemed to be doing to him. People were telling him it was crazy at the time. "You did it to yourself" seems like the expected response if this were any other drug.

I do get what you're saying. Personally I abhor any kind of mean-spiritedness, but I don't expect to impose that on the internet. I think people should read this writing, and it should be a warning about what these things we consider "safe" can do to you if misused.

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Posted 27 April 2010 - 02:02 PM

It might be comforting to believe that the mentally ill are able to exercise complete control over their actions, but a substantial amount of literature states otherwise.

It seems it may be equally "comforting" to believe that they're not. On the one hand, you're saying we should believe everything a mentally ill person who writes with astonishing hyperbole says about themselves as 100% true. Then, based on our diagnosis, we should use that information to discount other things they say because it seems unlikely that a mentally ill person will do something unreasonable and logistically difficult based on emotion. I'm not sure if the literature would support that. If it does, there are always exceptions, some of which I've witnessed with tragic results.

I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say. That I shouldn't have brought up the fact that he threatened people? That we should pretend it never happened? That mods should have refused to delete his account and forced him into an intervention? Your long comments suggest you see a lot of people here attacking isochroma. What I see is people saying his ideas and substance use are pretty outrageous, and a few saying they don't want to see him back because of some highly inappropriate behavior.

Unfortunately some people here engage on a more personal level, so I wouldn't expect everyone to come around to your way of thinking. If you want this topic to die, responding to everything you don't agree with is probably not the best way to achieve that end.

I was trying to convey my disgust with the direction that this thread took---from discussing the status of Isochroma, to the posting of an unflattering excerpt of his hypomanic writing (for all to see), which was accompanied by pejorative and insensitive commentary. To encapsulate, I was offended by some of the discussion particpants' treatment of mental illness, which can be a very grave condition. But, in this instance, it was not treated as such. Indeed, if another relatively serious condition were to receive similar treatment---like Lyme Disease, ADHD, OCD, or dyslexia---it would have precipitated a predictable and justified uproar. And, by treating Isochroma's story in a lighthearted way, such members were---in effect---cheapening his suffering. As a consequence, this attitude provoked my angry response.


How do you know if you're a dyslexic agnostic hypomaniac?




You rant on Internet forums about how no one can match your "dog-like" abilities.
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Posted 27 April 2010 - 02:21 PM

Very nice.

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 05:53 AM

If isochroma were to write a book(autobiography), I'd buy it in a second. His behavior, and life are bizarre and fascinating. His language colorful and descriptive. He's a good & passionate writer. I want more!!!

Edited by k10, 28 April 2010 - 05:58 AM.

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 08:48 AM

If isochroma were to write a book(autobiography), I'd buy it in a second. His behavior, and life are bizarre and fascinating. His language colorful and descriptive. He's a good & passionate writer. I want more!!!


I agree. I have some emails from the guy that you guys might find interesting.

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 09:04 AM

ad. 1) I asked him about the best way to learn chemistry and biochemistry.
ad. 2) I asked how he was able to write such vividly and creatively.

ad. 1 Ah, biochemistry. It's weird because I've studied various aspects of it, and already understand the shape of various organic compunds. Things like the Krebs cycle, heavy metals, organic brain drugs, etc. I've got a vast file on drugs, which is my specialty.

My Drugs folder currently has 4,708 files, all organized. It's a treasure trove of the most fascinating brain drugs, poisons, nutrients and sex hormones. The learning was done out of curiosity and as part of the path to becoming healthier myself.

The best way to learn about that stuff is the Internet, Wikipedia, etc. Textbooks should be available at your institution. It's easy to get lost though, in the vast troves of specialized knowledge about various reactions, etc.

What's really important is if you know the important things, like Vitamin D deficiency being the cause of most cancers, or that fish oil can save both your retina from ARMD and your brain from aging.

A lot of what's really important is left out, or hidden in the details. So what's really important is to maintain a wide perspective, and always ask what institutional structure you're being fed info from.

The educational institutions are set up to overwhelm people with detail. Not that they care about whether it will be memorized past the exams, but there's a more important purpose: by filling a person's head with tons of data, it prevents all but the most determined from understanding at a global perspective.

After the deluge of data comes the call to specialize. That's how the schools work at later stages. So the second trap is specialization.

I'm not a specialist except in the areas I decided, but maintained a critical view of everything. The most important thing isn't what they teach you or what's in the textbooks, but to doubt and question it all. To assume they're wrong until they prove themselves right.

If you want to succeed academically, the best way to go about it is to memorize all the stuff they want you to memorize, be just creative enough to show the modicum of independence that's part of their programmatic justification, and if you decide to go further, specialize.

They weed people like me out not because I wasn't smart - had good to excellent grades especially in the sciences - but because they are a threat if they're too independent.

The other trick is they teach that their path is the only one. Fear and guilt. But they're wrong: you can get a better education by hunting it for yourself. There's a price to pay though: no access to expensive labs unless you're rich enough to buy or rent them yourself, no supercomputers, and of course no accreditation.

But academic credit is becoming more worthless by the day, in the real world of employment. Especially relative to the cost of education, which is fearsome. Hell, for the cost of post-public education one could set up one's own business and do quite well. I value self-study more because it encourages the most important attribute of a human being. It lets that attribute flower: conscious will and enterprise, and critical thinking that goes beyond the bounds of the establishment.

As for your chemistry exam, again that's likely mostly formulaic memorization. I hid cheat-sheets inside my calculator for that. The rules of low to mid-level chemistry are based on rate equations and varous simplifications of the dynamics of atomic and molecular equilibria. Energy and entropy transfer.

Lies is how the student is led forward. The equations are simplifications of often massive collections of individual atoms. They work well to describe the simple systems they're applied to, but become horrendously unworkable to describe it all in atomic granularity.

It was once predicted that weather simulation would be commonplace by today, but it still can't predict the weather for more than a day or two ahead. Even then it's a gross oversimplification. Read about Edward Lorenz and the Lorenz attractor. Read Chaos: Making a New Science. That single book will make you cry as it opens your eyes. I read it when I was a kid, before I started programming fractals.

The really important things are the details. The devil lives in the detail, and the deepest detail of them all is a real devil: the emergent properties of matter as it interacts with other matter and receives information outside the predictable realm. The stuff that can't be simulated by any quantized computation system no matter how powerful. Freedom comes from down there. All the possibilities of this universe come from there.

Yet the abstractions taught in textbooks omit everything but the most skeletal elements of reality. They are caricatures, and while useful to say, make a simple chemical reaction, or build a fractional distillation column or gas chromatograph, they have led science dangerously astray.

The most dangerous thing is to reverse causality and become like so many scientists out there, who if confronted with a reality which doesn't match their equations, rule out the reality in favor of their delusions.

Take this case for example. Read the comments section. The device may be a fraud or it may work, but it was demonstrated to work in reality. Yet read how many scientists and aspiring scientists have only the most vicious attacks. Can you find even a single comment attempting to explain why the device works?

Remember, science is about explaining why reality is the way it is. The horse pulls the cart, not the other way around.

Today, science is becoming so lost in its abstractions and so addicted to dirty money from super-rich Big Pharma and Big Government that it hardly resembles its original form. So twisted by huge interests to look in particular directs while ignoring or villifying alternatives which have been proven to work.

I'll give one other case: 'heart disease' aka. arteriosclerosis. Totally preventable, not with fancy drugs but with Vitamin C. Not caused by cholesterol whether bound up in LDL or HDL. Those are the symptoms of something else wrong: preclinical scurvy.

Microtears are always forming in blood vessles, including inside the heart. They are patched with collagen, the protein that makes your skin. Vitamin C (the levo optoisomer) links up to form the enzyme that makes collagen. Dextroascorbate is just as powerful an antioxidant but doesn't fit into the enzyme, so it's useless. Synthetic vitamin C is often racemic: a varying mix of the two isomers.

When enough collagen can't be made, the body uses the next best thing to patch those tears: lipoproteins. It's better than bleeding to death internally, so evolution made that choice. Die now or die years later from blood vessels occluded by lipoprotein.

Dr. Abram Hoffer and Linus Pauling worked on that one. But vitamin C can't be patented: there's no profit in it. They were vilified and thrown out of respected science circles.

A recent cholesterol-lowering drug was pulled from the market. Find out its name. It was so successful at reducing cholesterol that it caused brain damage (the brain needs cholesterol to function), and worse caused internal bleeding. Why? It prevented the secondary patching system from working, leading to hemmorage in the tiny blood vessels of the brain, which are the most vulnerable to that sort of thing. Hemmoragic strokes, they're called.

Answer 2:

I couldn't form sentences properly or write after some dozen DXM trips years ago. It was a horror of self-inflicted brain damage, but in a way it was a good learning experience. Before that I was a very good writer. Now after intensive therapy with piracetam and tons of supporting nutrients, I can function even better than before the problems.

Answer 3:

Severe immunopathology from an early age, worsening with puberty. I've still got the massload of paperwork from the disability application process. It was very rigorous, and in the end I qualified, though I'm to be reviewed in 2012. Since my good doc died (Abram Hoffer), and few others are accepting patients, it may be the end for me. So I figured I'd live the last few years doing what I'd always wanted, which is enjoy life and do my projects :)

As for your experience, it mirrors mine. Choline from egg yolks got rid of my initial headache, which was very mild and started on day 3. It isn't really necessary to take a choline supplement, and excess choline can itself cause depression, lethargy, and brain fog - from reports on forums I've visited.

Regular consumption of egg or meat is enough for me now.

The thing to remember is the brain recycles most of its choline. So unless you've got the bad luck to be a person with genetics that make your brain a poor recycler (very few do), then only initial supplementation is necessary.

The reason is that the expansion of the cholinergic system when piracetam is started, itself slows down and reaches saturation within a few weeks. Only as new receptors are being built is more necessary, then once the new construction is done, the pool of recycling choline reaches a new equilibrium. During the early days a supplement may be necessary due to the new demand, that's all.

And I'd avoid at all costs the ridiculously overpriced Alpha-GPC. If you needed choline - only due to either headaches or other symptoms that don't go away in 24 hours, then buy some cheap choline citrate from eBay. It will work just as well. Alpha-GPS is something like 24x more expensive than the citrate, but it certainly isn't 24x more potent.

You can try other racetams too :p Oxiracetam works well but costs much more. It enhances music and colour more than piracetam - by about 25-50%. And it tastes sweet, but the combination of sweet taste and high price mean it will ruin your budget, because it can be used to sweeten all kinds of foods to make them more delicious :)

I must go and have my oatmeal breakfast now.
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Posted 28 April 2010 - 08:19 PM

Answer 3:

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As for your experience, it mirrors mine. Choline from egg yolks got rid of my initial headache, which was very mild and started on day 3. It isn't really necessary to take a choline supplement, and excess choline can itself cause depression, lethargy, and brain fog - from reports on forums I've visited.

Regular consumption of egg or meat is enough for me now.

The thing to remember is the brain recycles most of its choline. So unless you've got the bad luck to be a person with genetics that make your brain a poor recycler (very few do), then only initial supplementation is necessary.

The reason is that the expansion of the cholinergic system when piracetam is started, itself slows down and reaches saturation within a few weeks. Only as new receptors are being built is more necessary, then once the new construction is done, the pool of recycling choline reaches a new equilibrium. During the early days a supplement may be necessary due to the new demand, that's all.


Completely agree with this by the way guys. Been using Piracetam for a long while and don't supplement with choline at all. No headaches. Still get the enhanced colours and sharpness, along with a mood-enhancing effect for me. (Which I don't get when I don't take it.)

I must go and have my oatmeal breakfast now.


Oatmeal is awesome.

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 08:50 PM

Synthetic vitamin C is often racemic: a varying mix of the two isomers.


I'm pretty sure that this info is wrong, or at least *very* out of date.

Edited by rwac, 28 April 2010 - 08:50 PM.

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Posted 01 May 2010 - 08:41 AM

Isochroma is actually the Lorax. You scared him away.


For just a second, this post confused the hell out of me.

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Posted 18 May 2010 - 08:27 PM

Shit, I don't want to sound like I'm making fun of someone's trouble, I don't even hang around in this sub forum but just having read the impressions written by that Isochroma guy - the stuff is freakin awesome, he took it to a whole new level, seriously, all the Beat poets could clean his shoes, almost like a couple of different people were writing this, equally eloquent and in synch, the writing flows like some acid river. This character rocks !! hope he will be ok

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Posted 18 May 2010 - 11:41 PM

Shit, I don't want to sound like I'm making fun of someone's trouble, I don't even hang around in this sub forum but just having read the impressions written by that Isochroma guy - the stuff is freakin awesome, he took it to a whole new level, seriously, all the Beat poets could clean his shoes, almost like a couple of different people were writing this, equally eloquent and in synch, the writing flows like some acid river. This character rocks !! hope he will be ok


Word.

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Posted 19 May 2010 - 08:06 AM

YAWN
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Posted 22 June 2010 - 06:22 AM

isochroma is God.

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Posted 15 July 2010 - 12:31 AM

I think this is probably just some kid who read Burroughs and was looking for a place to troll his writing ability. It's possible he actually was taking these drugs, you never know. The internet is strange place.

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Posted 15 July 2010 - 01:01 AM

I think he was deluded somehow into thinking that it was the Piracetam alone that was effecting him in such a profound way. He was also taking microdoses of DXM some nights IIRC. Given a majority of the experiences posted here, I find it hard to believe he really became that manic from Piracetam alone but perhaps he had some really weird neurochemistry that responded vastly different to the effects of Piracetam compared to others. Who knows...

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Posted 15 July 2010 - 01:57 AM

I think he was deluded somehow into thinking that it was the Piracetam alone that was effecting him in such a profound way. He was also taking microdoses of DXM some nights IIRC. Given a majority of the experiences posted here, I find it hard to believe he really became that manic from Piracetam alone but perhaps he had some really weird neurochemistry that responded vastly different to the effects of Piracetam compared to others. Who knows...


If one is already very unstable and then chooses to hyperdose Piracetam, which -- no matter how safe the mechanism of action may seem, is still a drug could induce some sort of manic state. Jurence have reported the same effects as Isochroma, near the hypomanic state, but still not as bad as Isochroma then. It's hard to say.

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Posted 15 July 2010 - 02:50 AM

Yea. Jurence claimed to have consumed like 90g in one day or something though, right? Oddly enough, 10-12g seems to be the sweet spot for me. I'm not sure I get much from the typical 800mg - 1g dosage.

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Posted 15 July 2010 - 03:16 AM

Holy crap, that extended post by isochroma is terrifying! It's very articulately written, even if the writer was fairly transparently manic or hypomanic. Clearly the dude had issues both before and after Piracetam usage, but I think there may be a valid point in there somewhere.

I started taking Piracetam at 4800mg/day (2x2400mg, I never dropped the attack dose quantities) two months ago and I have experienced VERY noticeable improvements in cognition, especially after I started taking thyroid medication as suggested on this forum. As someone who initially carried around a lot of skepticism about the ability to enhance one's cognition through supplementation, I am now virtually certain that this stuff is effective. I feel quick and the dreams are AWESOME-I've started writing them down I think they're so cool.

When I look at how I was previously, the difference is extremely obvious. My mood has improved. I FEEL smarter. What particularly jars me about isoochroma's post- the prospect of being demoralized upon return to how I was in my earlier state- strikes me as both plausible and fairly scary. How could I go back to that when I know I feel great, when I can now solve problems better? How could I not be allured to take it again once I'm back to baseline and making cognitive errors I don't currently? Wouldn't it be tortuous to know that if only you had Piracetam you could function at a higher level? I haven't thought about that until now- this minute, while reading isochroma's post.

Now, when I think more deeply about it, I wonder how big an issue an emotional (as opposed to physical) Piracetam addiction really is? Is it possible cognitive suboptimality just an imperfection that can be cured? Worst case scenario, would the small amount of money spent on cognitive improvement on an indefinite basis be a problem? Provided the toxicity is limited, and there is no physical addiction or tolerance (both characteristics that APPEAR to be fairly well-documented at the current moment in time), I don't necessarily see an issue-except for possibly the logistics of obtaining it and taking it regularly, which seems to be what triggered isochroma's problems.

It's an interesting philosophical issue-I'd be curious to see what people's thoughts on this are.

Edited by UCB Student, 15 July 2010 - 03:18 AM.


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Posted 21 July 2010 - 11:24 AM

UCB Student, I believe the potential for psychological addiction with any substance or supplement is very real and dangerous. From my own experience, I find it therefore helful to not run at fullspeed always (i.e., maxing out one's potential to the fullest constantly), but to consciously slow down (i.e., lower dosages) from time to time. Finding substances that give you a milder kick may also be helpful for a change.

Thoughts about being some sort of incapable or inadequate without the help of certain substances can be mitigated by proving to yourself that you do not need to be 150% on the edge ALL the time. Any machine running at increased load will eventually self-destruct.

BTW, what kind of thyroid medication are you taking along with Piracetam? I am taking thyroid medication myself, but have not noticed any synergistic effects.

Holy crap, that extended post by isochroma is terrifying! It's very articulately written, even if the writer was fairly transparently manic or hypomanic. Clearly the dude had issues both before and after Piracetam usage, but I think there may be a valid point in there somewhere.

I started taking Piracetam at 4800mg/day (2x2400mg, I never dropped the attack dose quantities) two months ago and I have experienced VERY noticeable improvements in cognition, especially after I started taking thyroid medication as suggested on this forum. As someone who initially carried around a lot of skepticism about the ability to enhance one's cognition through supplementation, I am now virtually certain that this stuff is effective. I feel quick and the dreams are AWESOME-I've started writing them down I think they're so cool.

When I look at how I was previously, the difference is extremely obvious. My mood has improved. I FEEL smarter. What particularly jars me about isoochroma's post- the prospect of being demoralized upon return to how I was in my earlier state- strikes me as both plausible and fairly scary. How could I go back to that when I know I feel great, when I can now solve problems better? How could I not be allured to take it again once I'm back to baseline and making cognitive errors I don't currently? Wouldn't it be tortuous to know that if only you had Piracetam you could function at a higher level? I haven't thought about that until now- this minute, while reading isochroma's post.

Now, when I think more deeply about it, I wonder how big an issue an emotional (as opposed to physical) Piracetam addiction really is? Is it possible cognitive suboptimality just an imperfection that can be cured? Worst case scenario, would the small amount of money spent on cognitive improvement on an indefinite basis be a problem? Provided the toxicity is limited, and there is no physical addiction or tolerance (both characteristics that APPEAR to be fairly well-documented at the current moment in time), I don't necessarily see an issue-except for possibly the logistics of obtaining it and taking it regularly, which seems to be what triggered isochroma's problems.

It's an interesting philosophical issue-I'd be curious to see what people's thoughts on this are.


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#53 Blue22

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 03:16 PM

racetam junkie... what sorts of issues are you having exactly?!

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 04:23 PM

Oh hes around... his blog is quite a read...

http://isochroma.wordpress.com/

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 04:03 AM

I think you could make a movie to rival Memento about Isochroma. Furthermore, he is one of the best writers I have ever seen. Absolutely manic and absolutely florid, but granted not all bipolar people are that phenomenally well written. No one noticed this? Should that not count for something?

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 09:53 AM

I hope that given the dosages and amount of experimental noots, etc that he has taken, he would consider leaving his body to science - so that one day, God forbid, someone can perform some longterm human testing, using his blog and forum posts as a medical journal.

In the meantime, he's a gifted writer and an interesting, if wild and whacky, poster on this forum.

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 11:05 AM


In the meantime, he's a gifted writer and an interesting, if wild and whacky, poster on this forum.


I hope that he himself recognizes that and has made some further use of that talent.

I hope he's alright. From his later posts it was apparent that he was feeling quite low.

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 11:23 AM

His blog is also very interesting. Seems to like thinking outside the box.
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Posted 18 October 2011 - 02:44 PM

If he wrote a book, I'd buy it. The guy is a born entertainer. If he ever wanted to go on tour, I would be his consultant. If he ever started an alternative rock group, I'd go to his show and throw Piracetam at his feet. He is no god, but he is surely one of the world's wonders.

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Posted 19 October 2011 - 06:36 AM

Isochroma is extremely articulate. I can't hold a candle to him. That diary entry of his was very beautifully written. Almost on the level of a Phillip K. Dick or a William Gibson. The guy needs to write a book.

As far as my thoughts on the matter:

One thing about nootropics that I agree with him on is how getting an experience of a a level of cognition not normally available is something special and almost spiritual. It's like most of life streams by and I pick a few leaves out of the stream of my experience to save as memory, as CREB and cAMP interact to keep the world of more than 3 hours ago available to me. With nootropics, I can start to pick up more leaves and piece the patchwork of memories of my weeks together into more consistent wholes with more meaning and structure. I can travel into the near past to some extent and plan into the future. I am not as constrained by rote learning of my daily routine.

Most people only catalog a very small part of their lives in their brains. The rest is forgotten, an endless see of nothingness and repetition marked by a few cherished mementos and often persistent fears. Meaning disappears in this context and life becomes a dreary blur navigated by emotion and gut feelings emanating from whatever our sub-concious has been able to accumulate beneath our perception. We trudge forward surrounded by fog because there's no other place to go. Sure we experience delights along the way but our visibility seems always limited.




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